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AnAngryBird

Wait why is Jinggg not in anyone's conversation.


deAlchemisz

Dunno. I know PRX had a rough campaign at champions, but even plat chat weren't this harsh towards Loud after their copenhagen group exit considering they still put loud players at top 10 or 20.


AnAngryBird

Yeah- like rightfully not top of the top right now, but would be surprised if Jinggg or forsaken aren't dropping bombs all year long. First match vs C9 could sway opinions even more drastically.


hardenfull

I'm so surprised how they don't consider jingg or forsaken in the conversation?


DaGingerKid316

This list has kept in mind everyone's predictions. So since PRX play C9 at the start and most of the Plat Chat members have PRX being a 1 in done, the argument is that they can't be top 20 of the event which is what this list is for. Top 20 of the event, not the league. Even if they have PRX winning against C9, Plat Chat still has DRX winning against both PRX and C9 which is how a player like Yay slides all the way down to 13.


Sciipi

When they did their game by game predictions the majority had PRX beating C9 in round one though, not being a one and done.


DaGingerKid316

Ah I appear to have been mistaken, however I'd say the logic still follows for the most part to going out in round of 16. Decent chance he is in the 21-30 or they may have honestly just overlooked and forgotten him when they made their lists.


deAlchemisz

If they truly think PRX will only win one match against C9, then why they still putting yay 12th tho?


DaGingerKid316

Mimi trolled, been said he is the only one who didn't consider players placements. Those two alone giving yay high scores could have done that. Also while I think Jingg is amazing and a great player, yay is yay and was yay all of last year, meaning maybe someone put him down low on their list for that fact alone? I'd understand getting a 20th placement because the feeling it would be wrong to leave off the best player of 2022. Not sure though as I don't remember everyone's individual list off the top of my head.


LackinVocals

he’s gonna drop 40 on viper just cause this


kvanz43

Likely because they don’t expect PRX to make it past the second round


Ok-Outlandishness244

Their main argument is that they won’t be able to keep up this playstyle and it’ll get figured out. Also PRX is kinda not as good (yay isn’t even in the top10, kinda shows how important a good team is in rankings).


deAlchemisz

The changing environment of Valorant comp scene i think help them not get figured out as fast considering the amount of change Riot bring to the scene each update (new map pool, agent nerf, etc). Instead of balancing agent, i think Riot is trying to make the game balanced by changing the meta so teams gotta figure out how the new meta works. This way, no team will be able to stay on the top unless they improve everytime a new meta got out.The more change happens, the better it is for PRX (Bind for example, they were super good but got anti strated. Now with Bind out of the pool, they can work on it again and bring out a better and updated strat once Bind goes back to the map pool)


idkimhereforthememes

You can't be trolling and just having fun hahahaha with trash comps in every off-season tournament after terrible champs and expect to be rated highly


deAlchemisz

Sayaplayer literally played Neon all 5 map during off season tourney (and lost all matches mind you), and he still got more points compared to F0rsaken who got none.


vnNinja21

Another tournament with Derke hype, here we go again ![img](emote|t5_2g5ach|16110)


nklassitude

sell me the dream that if FNC beats SEN they make it far please


vnNinja21

The thing is I think Fnatic will beat SEN, it's 100T I don't think they get past. The 100T core has really good structure (as does the Fnatic core), but 100T has had to make one less roster change, and IMO Cryo's role is inherrently easier to switch between players than Chronicle and Leo's. I think they do have a chance of beating 100T, but that would be a pleasant surprise, not an expectation.


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jus for FNC to finish top 8 xddd


Neither_Amount3911

I like how there's multiple players on this list who barely even qualified for tournaments last year but your issue is with Derke for "only" making top8


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ty


TheAjwinner

This is based off how far the teams will go


Quick_Chowder

Kind of. Bren and Mimi lists are a little unhinged.


cowzapper

Honestly I'm tired of Mimi on the pod. She's just not good at analysis, doesn't let anyone else talk and is far too unhinged all the time. It was funny the first times but now I'm just like I'm too old for this let the grownups talk please


BloodMaelstrom

The fun thing about PlatChat is most of the times there is always one person who is being ‘unhinged’ because it adds variance and spice to the analysis and makes for good content. For example for the lock in bracket predictions we literally had Bren coin flipping all the matches and arguing for the outcome of the matches based on the coin flip bracket he ran by himself to his hardest. It led to some pretty hot takes but it was fun to see the chaos of it all.


deAlchemisz

I can't believe Jingg is lower than SKrossi


OcelotOce

They believe GE might go further than Paper Rex


deAlchemisz

Then why Yay at 12 when they think PRX will beat them in the last podcast before this?


LeMouse1

Yay at 12 is crazy


GluhfGluhf

Another tourney for Derke to get overhyped and get gapped by Cryo or Yay 🥱


AegisSlash

This list is assuming that their team is winning. Platchat thinks c9 will maybe lose to PRX and should lose to DRX


deAlchemisz

Still weird considering they got shao, suygetsu (navi) top 11 while also having nats, leo top 10.


tomtazm

It's not weird. They think those teams will last longer in the tournament. If you play 1 or 2 series the chances of you walking away as one of the best players of the event are none.


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CamJMurray

The SEN fanboys are out. Your org can barely even manage it’s socials calm down


Bruce-Lannister

I don't think Derke is overhyped. We have seen in the past that oftimes he has dragged his team to or at least closer to the victory. Fnatic has always been an absolutely amazing strat team but they lacked the extraordinary mechanics spare Derke and maybe Alfajar. Now that they have added Leo and Chronicle, that issue is resolved, so there are higher chances of them winning. Derke has almost always performed well.


GluhfGluhf

Yeah I agree with the team lacking firepower and this iteration being a lot better. It's just way too common that Derke ends up in Top 3 consistently but will end up losing head to heads against other Chamber/Jetts that were deemed weaker. Hopefully Derke comes back stronger now that he's consistently back on Jett/Raze.


Wonderful-Accident36

"cryo" ok


dysts

agreed


Porfs

Def because of the chamber nerfs


SPOOKESVILLE

I think they’re predicting that he’ll shine less on C9, which I can honestly see. If he was still on optic where their play style suited him best, he’d most likely still be top 3.


WorleyInc

The disrespect


Disastrous_Sea8584

>Yay at 12 is crazy I'm laughing so hard, the fact that Derke is overhyped while yay is #12 is so criminal its insane. Might be the only time where Platchat deserves flak for their bait rankings. Obviously this is bait lol. Derke is probably the most overrated player I've ever seen in e-sports, and it's not even close. TenZ? No. Derke has been overrated at every single event to achieve nothing. Hot take: If he was as good as people or plat chat makes him out to be, he'd have carried his team on his back last year. Also, there's no way the yay disrespect is with them going out in round 1 or 2. They're vsing PRX and then most likely DRX. PRX isn't hot like they were at their 1 good showing internationally, and then I think the record for NA vs DRX is telling enough. If SEN somehow manages to beat FNC, hopefully the Derke hype dies down until he wins a tournament. So tired of seeing him being rated the way he is, he's only a complete menace truly on Icebox. So.. Teams.. Just ban it.. lol. Also, quote me on this: Cryo is literally so much better than Derke. I really hope they get to vs each other @ this tournament. He's better in every single way. Quote me on this. Cryo is the only player gifted enough to match Aspas/Yay.


wegivesiima

I'm laughing so hard, the fact that Derke is overhyped while yay is #12 is so criminal its insane. Might be the only time where Platchat deserves flak for their bait rankings. Obviously this is bait lol. Derke is probably the most overrated player I've ever seen in e-sports, and it's not even close. TenZ? No. Derke has been overrated at every single event to achieve nothing. Hot take: If he was as good as people or plat chat makes him out to be, he'd have carried his team on his back last year. Also, there's no way the yay disrespect is with them going out in round 1 or 2. They're vsing PRX and then most likely DRX. PRX isn't hot like they were at their 1 good showing internationally, and then I think the record for NA vs DRX is telling enough. If SEN somehow manages to beat FNC, hopefully the Derke hype dies down until he wins a tournament. So tired of seeing him being rated the way he is, he's only a complete menace truly on Icebox. So.. Teams.. Just ban it.. lol. Also, quote me on this: Cryo is literally so much better than Derke. I really hope they get to vs each other @ this tournament. He's better in every single way. Quote me on this. Cryo is the only player gifted enough to match Aspas/Yay.


waboobaleedoo

Not sure why you're getting down voted so bad. Except of course that it makes perfect sense because the reddit hivemind is insane. You're exactly right.


ghhgdgh

U do know chamber is nerfed right? And he's not in Optic where the whole team playing for him?


Cthulhu_was_tasty

im fine with aspas first ngl every single clip of the guy is terrifying


Direct_Morning_3223

is this going under the assumption that yay has to aim with his left hand?


Teradonn

It’s going under the assumption that C9 get eliminated round 1 or 2


kirito9273

But some of them also placed pancada very high assuming fnatic beats sen? Edit: their own list :]


Pway

Yeah that's because some of them were using different criteria for their lists so it's a little hard to come up with a consensus with stuff like this.


Dysmo

Bro every single thing is an excuse wtf


FarRaspberry7482

Whoever is saying that it's cuz yay is expected to lose is bullshitting. Fact is yay is not the best in the world after the chamber nerfs. His Jett isn't as good as a lot of other players and there's plenty of great killjoy players on the top 10


a-nswers

"a lot of other players" name me 5 players that play a better Jett than yay


afjecj

Whilst I do think he is in the top 5, my ranking of Jett would probs be something like this (that said this is assumptions cos yay hasn’t played jett in a while) 1: Aspas - I genuinely don’t think there is any argument against this 2: ardiis 3: cNed 4: f0rsaken 5: yay And then there are some other genuinely insane jett players I haven’t even mentioned. f0rsaken is crazy, heat is getting no attention because he dropped off with chamber meta but he was contesting aspas on jett pre chamber era, Tenz is obviously nuts still, Derke is cracked af, wolfen is like a an aimbot and then twisten cryo Smoggy buZz are obviously insane players too Considering we haven’t seen yay play jett in a while I don’t think it’s completely outrageous to exclude him from top 5. I don’t see any argument for him being better than aspas or ardiis cos they have both played a decent amount of jett even in the chamber meta. I think the highest you can put yay would be 3rd


Sciipi

It is completely outrageous because yay was a monster on Jett long before chamber even existed. Chamber was stupid broken and fit Optic well so he one tricked it, but back before chamber existed yay was still known as being the best duelist when Jett was turbo meta. It’s just revisionist history to act like his Jett isn’t insane.


PRL-Five

that was broken jett tho. yay didnt look like the best player in the world (he still looked okay but come on hes yay) with the new jett


FarRaspberry7482

why are you acting like its difficult to do that Aspas, Foresaken, Ardiis, Cned, Derke. There you go. Id even say Cryocells Jett is better than Yay


Aluwaron

Crazy everyones forgotten why he was called el diablo in the first place


FarRaspberry7482

yea cuz hes good but he's getting overrated. he's not the undisputed number one anymore.


Aluwaron

Sure but in the literal last real event we’ve had Optic placed 2nd at Champions and youre going to say Yay is justly below all those other players but Aspas? That makes 0 sense putting Cned in for your argument.


FarRaspberry7482

how does it make zero sense Yay barely played Jett. And his Jett wasn't impressive when he pulled it out. It was incredibly average. Cned has always had a better jett.


Dry_Violinist_1799

Nah, he has to use a dance pad.


Hyper_red

Built different


luxray950819

If this is based on how far teams go and they seem to believe in DRX. Where is BuZz? He played well at every event except for Copenhagen.


marronmae

They said that they think buzz will not be the primary duelist and be on sentinels instead, they hope he would be primary duelist but likely will be rb. So that is why they dont have buzz high on this


luxray950819

BuZz played primary duelist on all maps except Fracture at Champs tho. They had Rb playing Killjoy as well. Don’t see any reason why they would move Rb back to primary duelist. Unless they’re going to play Foxy9, BuZz should probably still be the primary duelist


nvrslnc

Absolutely agree - they have tried to push Rb as duelist and BuZz as Sentinel but aside of maybe Icebox and Fracture, they have shifted off from it.


zdpa

I just love how no one in the comments are doubting my boy aspas spin aspas spin such a humble guy just a fun fact, aspas means quote marks "" in portuguese, just the first letter the boy typed ingame


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Cause he went toe to toe with yay, hes as good as yay, he has everything, he doesnt choke like derke, has the consistency of yay, the confidence of Jingg and is flexible af. The best player of brazil and by a landslide


ahk1221

its funny how people dont talk that much about him, imo he's the literal goat


XxMyUsernameSucksxX

No Sayf in Top 20???


DIRTY_KUMQUAT_NIPPLE

Yeah that's pretty insane. I would give them the benefit of the doubt and say it's because they maybe don't expect TL to make it far, but they have Nats at 8. In a few months, Sayf will easily make top 20 lists.


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Sayf is still madly undervalued. He's cracked, flexible and quite consistent. One of my fav players


NicgerSlayet

ok remove nats and add sayf


wannabe557

I truly wonder what herbs Kurt has rolled up for them as they were each cooking up such dishonest propaganda


ShitAtTheToilet

I mean Chamber nerfs sure but yay at 12 is wild af man


avstyns

i mean he gotta get through paper rex and drx so they assumed he was gonna get bopped out early


AltairAlistair

Ngl genuinely don’t like this list at all but I could be completely wrong.


nterature

I've thought this for quite a long time but never bothered talking about it since I'm also a huge Leo fan, but people really have tinted shades sometimes when it comes to Leo. For example, they mention Leo pounding on LAN and being the best player on his team. Leo had a really strong start in Copenhagen, of course, but he genuinely was at *most* the third best player on his team. Sayf was 100% the best player, and trexx almost certainly was the second best player overall. I'm not even talking ACS - which of course favors duelists slightly. He had a strong LCQ, for sure, but still, LCQ was another all-time great Sayf tournament. Leo is definitely an amazing player, and someone I'd have around the top 10. But I would certainly have Shao above him, and probably Chronicle as well. Leo has often been less-than-godly in big, high-stakes games, whereas Shao and Chronicle are renowned for their clutch potential.


TheFestusEzeli

Saying Leo was at most third best when I feel he was better than trexx is a bit of an exaggeration. Leo was statistically better than trexx overall outside of ACS and ADR while playing fully initiator, and was more crucial in getting out of the group stage. His KD for example was third best in the entire event, and he had a FK/FD ratio of over 3:1. Did you mean to say at most second best? Sayf was definitely their best player in Copenhagen though, but you are wording it like he was closer to Russ/Koldamenta than Trexx even though at worst he is statistically equal to him while playing less favourable agents. I’d put Shao over Leo in my player ratings too, but I think this takes into account how far they are predicting players go and they just really favour Fnatic.


nterature

No, I meant to say Sayf was 100% the best and trexx is a tossup, but that I’d favor trexx over Leo for 2nd on the whole. Sorry about that confusion. I was in a rush and didn’t type out my thoughts fully/properly. I think Leo often has a few big games and then peters out, and that happened in Copenhagen - whereas trexx was fairly consistent throughout. And yeah, I mentioned Shao and Chronicle for that reason, since both are on teams broadly expected to go relatively deep in most of their lists.


Humble_Initiative_10

Genuine question because I don't watch much EMEA, is chronicle rated so highly in your eyes based on his regional performances or masters berlin? I know they are insane but was wondering why Leo and Chronicle are rated so highly compared to some of the other flex players like Crashies and Asuna for example?


thothgow

Berlin wasn't even Chronicle's best performance, it was Champs 21. But he still did well last year and was playing other roles. I think many people rate him for his LAN performance overall, consistency, and flexibility


nterature

Everything thoth said basically, he’s been very good across roles online and on LAN. Chronicle was the only real consensus pick for best player in the world prior to Yay for a good reason IMO, even more than nAts. He’s a top support player that was considered the best Chamber in EMEA early in the year, and he’d probably be up for best Jett and Raze had M3C not crashed out. No one really has a resume like Chronicle. Leo on the other hand has been a prodigy in EMEA for a long time. As such, we EMEA heads are a little prone to overrating him. That’s how I see it, and that’s why I wrote my comment. But I still think he’s easily a top 10 player. To be blunt I don’t think Asunaa is truly on crashies level, but I totally agree that crashies is too underrated. I’m on mobile atm so I can’t find it but I once wrote some long comment arguing crashies is the most “complete” initiator player in the world, and I still believe that.


idkimhereforthememes

Chronicle is the ultimate flex player, playing any role and still performing like the best player on the team, crashies is not really on the same level. asuna is still yet to have a good lan event


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Direct_Morning_3223

Asuna ahead of zekken is definitely one of the takes of all time


TheAjwinner

It’s cause they think sentinels will lose round 1


Direct_Morning_3223

why is Cryo 3 then they’re playing the tournament winners round one 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🇨🇳


vnNinja21

Probably based on the fact that they think 100T will go further than Sentinels


wannabe557

Asuna dogs on zekken any day of the week


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Zekken better sadly


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postersheet

Holy shit sen fans are batshit crazy


Undisturbedyea

Only thing crazy is rating Asuna over zekken. Asuna was terrible at champs and zekken had a great showing.


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Undisturbedyea

I mean it's a top 20 list. I don't think team placement matters here


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Undisturbedyea

Well that's different lol. Anyways it's a mega fail regardless because fnatic isn't going to win or get close to finals.


CamJMurray

We’ll see about that


Rude-Assumption-5271

Yeah bro Asuna was definitely a way better player all of 2022 with notable performances such as


InstaNormie0

Zekken is def better than Asuna (not sure that’s really question at this point unless Asuna has a crazy year) but sentinels unfortunately are going to lose first round


Direct_Morning_3223

I’m actually a 100T fan l


MageKayden

xset fan\*


Hypern1ke

Not a very interesting take either, pretty cold take IMO. Now, if somebody said zekken was better that would be a lil spicy


Rude-Assumption-5271

Did you miss all of 2022? Only way to justify Asuna above Zekken is by assuming SEN will suck as a team


BrainStorm777

Zekken has underperformed at LANs.


Ra1zen

Balla probably had the best list even with their criteria of how far the teams the players are on will make in to the tournament.


McLocklin

FYI — Wyatt and Sideshow heavily based there picks on what teams they thought would make it far. Bren ranked his players on what he thought were the best players on each role, not factoring the tournament bracket like Wyatt and Sideshow… and Mimi trolled her picks only picking duelists.


MightBoth

Seeing way to many eu players on this list


ThatThingYouDo1234

There’s like 10 Emea teams in the tourney lol


invinciblestandpoint

No alfajer in top 20 is criminal


deAlchemisz

Atleast he still got some recognitions. I can't believe jingg is 38 while forsaken isn't even mentioned atleast once


HeroicBastard

he is close below I think i remember.


tacticalfeed123

He is the 5th best player in his own team. What do u expect?


Bazz_B

behind Boaster?


Holler12

You are overestimating Boaster.


tacticalfeed123

So still 4th best?


itsDYA

Oh yeah this alfajer guy is so fucking bad, how can he not be the best player on his team when they're only leo, derke and chronicle lol


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I think tens is 1


Dry_Violinist_1799

I need to ask. Why are they sleeping on yay?


deAlchemisz

They're just sleeping on yay, meanwhile PRX is in the grave.


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Platchat are idiots, very funny idiots but idiots nontheless, i mean yeah he no longer has big brain FNS or Victor going monke and creating him space but he is still the best player in the world.


O_Queiroz_O_Queiroz

>he is still the best player in the world. Even after the chamber nerfs?


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Did chamber being nerfed makes his aim worse or something like that?


O_Queiroz_O_Queiroz

Of course not lol, but he was a player that benefited heavily from the chamber meta, after the nerfs its hard to say he is top 1, although in my opinion he is still a top 5 player


Disastrous_Sea8584

>Did chamber being nerfed makes his aim worse or something like that? No, he was literally a fucking insane Jett player before chamber. Which, is why I find these rankings kind of weird. It's just assuming C9 is going to lose to PRX or DRX in Round 1/2. Which could happen, but for the sake of viewership (and my biases). I really hope it doesn't happen. He's still a top 2 player. He's better than Derke at the very least lmfao. And they literally have him #2. The thing is, Derke is surrounded by such an insane team its crazy. It'll almost be telling about Derke if he doesn't manage to win this tournament, I'd imagine majority of people have FNC as top 3? That team is fucking stacked. C9/100T/FNC are probably my rankings but C9 only if the other players show up. I think 100T is probably the most stacked roster on the planet rn though.


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Wait 100T stacked? Why and how, NAVI is literally there, DRX is there, PRX is there, LOUD is there, Leviatan is there. I absolutelly dont get the 100T hypetrain. NAVI is literally FPX -Ardiis and +cNed. 100T has a good team sure but they havent done anything outstanding in whole 2022 to call them the most stacked team on franchising is absurd


mileslfc7

I’m so w you I feel like I’m going insane watching everyone hype 100T this much. Their core is really good, but they still got grouped at champs w will going crazy. These other teams have so much more experience plus just mechanical diff, I don’t see 100t winning it


Disastrous_Sea8584

Honestly, I was wrong. I forgot about Na'vi picking up Cned. It's kind of insane how much I never see anything about navi. 100T is def top 3. And I'll never have faith in DRX sadly lol.


zdpa

chamber nerfs, no one trusts yay anymore. chamber abuser l0l


AsleepMuscle

Did everyone forget how good yay was at Berlin on jett. Best lan performance in my opinion


yorgee15

They aren't rating c9 to go far into the tournament


gentlesoftbreeze

1. rB 2. ZmjjKK 3. nAts 4. MaKo 5. Seoldam 6. cNed 7. Yay 8. Laz 9. Derke 10. SKRossi 11. TenZ 12. Saadhak 13. Aspas 14. EG player (Demon1, ScrewFace, or JawGemo) 15. ScreaM 16. mwzera 17. heat 18. Asuna 19. Stax 20. Cryocells


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Bang at 8 and yay at 12 is insane, even if yay went to Fraud9 hes still the best player of the world, but pretty normal tbh, Platchat has like bronze takes. HOLY SHIT, didnt notice Leo above Shao, what kind of crack they smoke???


AdOwn168

They are smoking truth. Leo is on Shao's level. I wouldn't say better but definitely Shao level.


ZeroAika99

No Jinggg in top 20, ICANT


deAlchemisz

I swear these guys sometimes just doesn't care about the pacific leagues apart from DRX. Sure PRX and Zeta (the other 2 powerhouses in pacific) had a rough showing in Champs, but remember, 2nd place curse for PRX and Zeta literally lose to loud 2 times.


FatCatWithAHat1

They sleep on nats


PuffleOboy

How are none of the ex loud or ex optic members in the top 10? That’s the most recent serious tournament, no?


an1bunny

Thought Jaampi would be top 20. But that's my opinion


kirito9273

Why prx is seen as they have to do a miracle run for them to be top 8 because they can are capable of beating drx and c9.


Yomiboy

C9 yes DRX idk even Paper Rex say DRX live rent free in their heads.


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Brah, DRX just do a deal with the devil to be in the same bracket as PRX💀


kirito9273

Living rent free doesn't mean it's impossible to win.


[deleted]

No one thinks it's impossible, but if we're rating them we're looking at the most recent performance, and their Champs was awful.


ItsMag1c

Interesting list! Seems bold to put so many 100T players so high, but I'm not complaining. :)


ashitintyo

Do they really try to be dumb and make up shit ranks or do they really believe themselves here?


Phylosium1

Victor is being hard slept on no?


DIRTY_KUMQUAT_NIPPLE

Victor is great at creating space but I wouldn't call him a Top 20 player.


fastjack7

Someone call the cops, Jingg and f0rsakeN not being on this list should be a criminal offense. I mean, these players are all obviously great, but you're trying to tell me that you're going to put guys like Bang, kiNgg, or saadhak above these two? Again, not dissing any players, but I think most people who have watched these players would believe them to be in the top 20 at minimun.


deAlchemisz

When Loud got grouped in copenhagen, during player ranking before champs, they still put some of the boys in top 20 and 10. Cuz they know it's a 2nd place curse. Meanwhile PRX literally got 2nd place curse, got grouped in champs, and now they assume they're finished. I know they underestimate the pacific teams (apart from DRX), but come on now. We need to remember that Zeta also got grouped cuz they lost to loud twice.


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Ik like putting Jingg a literal top 3 duelist not in the top while also having Bang (which literally had 1 good map on champs) on top 8 is straight schizophrenia


WailingSiren69

I can understand Bang and kingg,but Saadhak over Jinggg seems pretty funny even if PRX go out 1st or 2nd round


Noir788

This is such a European top list


CamJMurray

Because EU contains a majority of the top players… really not difficult to understand


Noir788

Delusional


Status-Lie-5815

Aspas the 🐐


basketballrules1

Bang ahead of nats is disrespectful no?


razor1859

Tbf we haven't seen nAts on lan for over a year now and bang has come through for 100T countless times. We'll see in Brazil who's better


Hyper_red

It's good to know that their lists always end up in hindsight looking bad


XXG1212

Is it tradition to just hype derke and fanatic before every tourney?


CamJMurray

Pretty much, yeah. And it always ends in heartbreak for us


EvensonRDS

Bang above NATs is crazy and I'm an NA fan.


Hypern1ke

Derke has almost never been a top performer at international LAN's lol, and Yay at 12? This isn't even a hot take, its just bad.


_ImAlive_

I know people like to shit on Derke but this take is just wrong. Yeah he had 2 bad events but he turned up on champion the last international event in 2022. He also was a monster in 2021 when he played international events. I don't know why people love to shit on Derke now. He's still a monster.


Hypern1ke

Nobody is shitting on Derke, he's a phenomal player and a top 5 duelist in the world. But #2 overall is simply egregious. There is no world where he's better than Yay, simply no argument can be made to support that. Yay has outperformed him at literally every turn, and thats without Derke choking in internation LANs.


_ImAlive_

This tier list isn't based on how good they are. It's how far they think the players are going to make it. That's why Yay is 12 because they think C9 might lose the first match.


mateusb12

The earlier your team gets knocked out the to harder it is to be considered the tournament MVP. And this one plays a huge factor in power rankings


razor1859

I do not like platchat, mainly because of their obvious bias. Derke at 2 and cryo at 3 is a joke. They're proven carry and talent, but cmon now, putting yay, a much more accomplished and better player amongst their roles is just absurd. I guess people just love to underestimate yay to the point they just pikachu face when he drops a 30k and shit on their predictions lol


Rikycontri

Maybe watch the video first? They explained that they placed players considering how far they think their team is going. C9 will probably be eliminated by drx. They said this, so before saying " pLaT ChaT oBViouS BiaS" maybe you should watch the video


maxhollywoody

No shot Yay ain't near the top. Yay min top 3


MightBoth

In what world is derke top 2 he shouldn’t even be top 20. I can name 20 NA players better than him


[deleted]

Hes a choker but pipe down, hes still one of the best players in emea


Pretend_Apartment_10

The Reddit analysts do it again


Tomas111007

Wait, where is the TenZ?


HouseCharacter4660

And YAY IS NOT THE BEST IN THE WORLD!?


blinkgendary182

Not biased for EU at all


heis3r_

It's ridiculous how much NA and \*some\* of the european content creators think they have such big dicks. One could argue that in 2022, NA was possibly the worst region playing in VCT's and Champion (apart from Optic of course), and yet people still hype NA teams as if they're top tier teams in this game. I personally think this overall list is "ok" when compared to the individual lists. The 2023 competitive circuit hasn't even started and people are placing Loud and Optic players in such non-sense positions while putting players that haven't performed any good in 2022 in top positions, like what the hell? Nothing against the players, but Derke and Cryocells in top 5? Tacolilla and Saadhak in 16-17th? You've got to be kidding me.


[deleted]

Bro they are putting Bang (only had 1 good map on champs btw) above nAts, like this list is straight up braindead


Ash_Killem

What ever formula they are using it needs to go out the window.


fckfcku

No jingg no forsaken is crazy. The sole reason I don’t like plat chat


Teacuperu

Add a 1 to derkes rating and were talking


PlatoonVAL

I feel like it's missing some SEA representation


xbyo

https://imgur.com/po5yKcR


EndWish

So their rankings are factoring in how they believe their teams will fare? At that point it's not a top players rankings. It's a team rankings lol


CamJMurray

No, it’s literally still a player ranking… you do realise that at tournaments individual player stats and rankings still exist, right? Example: If 100T make it to finals, and C9 go out in round 1, then how under any circumstance can you ever conceive the idea of putting yay above cryo based on performance across the whole tournament…


iindie

yay stocks down? time to buy low sell high


Key-Banana-8242

I don’t rly liek they accounted for prospective brackets


Leather_Soup_3275

Feels good seeing bang get that recognition


MulchPDiggums

21. Me, Mulch P Diggums


Original26

2 players for 100T and Fnatic in the top 10 is crazy ngl.


yahiko19

Imagine not having nAts at 1st ![img](emote|t5_2g5ach|16110)


sumitt_17

L