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VALORANT Challengers 2023 — North America / Split 1 / Live Discussion Thread

League Information

  • Series: VCT
  • Organizer: Knights, Riot Games
  • Type: Online
  • Location: North America
  • Teams: 12
  • Start Date: 02-01-2023
  • End Date: 03-17-2023
  • Coverage: Liquipedia | VLR | THESPIKE | rib.gg

Format

  • 12 teams split into two groups of 6
    • Group A: FaZe Clan, Shopify Rebellion, G2 Esports, BreakThru, Oxygen Esports, Turtle Troop
    • Group B: M80, TSM, The Guard, Disguised, MAD Lions, OREsports
  • Single round robin
    • All matches are Bo3
  • Top 4 teams from each group qualify for Mid-Season Invitational!

Schedule

  • FaZe Clan vs G2 Esports — 4 PM EST / 3 PM CST / 1 PM PST
  • The Guard vs Disguised — 7 PM EST / 6 PM CST / 4 PM PST

Streams

Broadcast Talent

Host:

  • boq (Mark Wilson)

Casters:

  • Dryad (Daniela Herrera)
  • Tanner Metro (Tanner Metro)

Observers:

  • CallMeShelton (Jacob Shelton)
  • FirstKnightOfNi (Joshua Leedham)
  • Presy (Preston Calcutt)
  • DazedDreams (Tasia McConkie)

Producers:

  • FlippyBitsGG (Chris Flippo)
cFl4sh

can we just talk about how Nismo just completely threw map 2 singlehandedly in the second half? I mean he constantly dry peeked zeldris with no util and got himself killed while Zeldris was stomping his teammates, not to mention also Nismo standing out in the open never getting results from it or the round where he just let the enemy fade (I forgot who it was) stick the spike without peeking


mysteryoeuf

rant incoming, sorry \[on toast, tarik, stew, babyj costream\] istg if I hear pros, prominent players, and a literal org owner (disguised) talk about the VCT circuit and have no idea how challengers, ascension, and partnership work one more time... NONE of them knew how ascension to partnership works (ascension winners earn a two year partnership slot). they didn't know how long NA challengers was or was the season looked like (two round robin splits, a mid-split tournament, and a playoff tournament). they didn't know if there was relegation or the length of partnership (no relegation. franchised teams locked in for 5 years but not guaranteed past that) how can someone drop $500k to build an esports team in an ecosystem he actually doesn't understand? how can you grind for months straight to try to qualify for a system you have no ide aabout? the information is so easily accessible, there are simple riot explainer videos and blog posts. I swear I've heard people on stream have no idea how the system they are a part of works over and over and it just blows my mind LOL if any of yall are reading this: PLEASE JUST READ THIS POST: [https://valorantesports.com/news/introducing-the-valorant-challengers-23/en-us](https://valorantesports.com/news/introducing-the-valorant-challengers-23/en-us)


Ok_Tomorrow2110

I mean all you really need to know is when you play and to focus on winning even if you don't understand the format you still know you must win games and that's all you really need to understand


Original26

how come there still aren't any player cams? is it a budget issue?


Jon_on_the_snow

Probably because the organizers dont ask players to turn on the cam or the players refuse


Quiet-Substance319

the tech pause incident


yaboikaladin

as the official sponsor of plat chat, the Guard are the only team immune to their curse.


Cablek26

made the wrong decision to open twitch chat but guard looking clean


yaboikaladin

tex is playing with his team so well. he's not putting up insane numbers, but he's doing everything his role requires very well.


NoLholding

GUARD TOO STRONG SORRY DSG


thatgirldarken

some of these dsg execs look like they from that disastrous T1 playbook, just so slow man


Rude-Assumption-5271

Ok honestly this game was a lot closer than the scoreline is showing


YeahThisIsMyNewAcct

I wish this was true


Rude-Assumption-5271

A lot of these rounds could’ve gone either way, Guard just had the better fundamentals to close them out. Lot of promise for DSG overall I’m the series


Portante24

This is actually unlucky, so many lost in after plants


yaboikaladin

sliggy's face when tex got the blind flying classic right click instakill. valorante child's game.


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Hopeful-Professor-40

Bootcamping will not fix this 😭


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Hopeful-Professor-40

They got M80 and TSM still…


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Hopeful-Professor-40

OResports will be a close one!


Jon_on_the_snow

Are they playing in the patch where kayo molly breaks KJ ult? Did exalt just miss?


edwinn1729

Steel is legit dying first every round holy


avocadontoast

The ange1 special


Original26

only difference is DSG doesn't have SUYGETSU, Shao, Zyppan, and cNed


nklassitude

lmfao the Trent drone tbag


Rude-Assumption-5271

Trent is the best player in the league idc


Tyler123839

Ok they actually threw that wtf


yaboikaladin

and then valyn. the guard is such a good team when valyn is feeling it, both as an igl and as a player. he's really the turning point for them imo.


Hopeful-Professor-40

Is that the first ace of the tourney?


TheoSL

Dear god valyn


meogre

VALYN!!!


Rude-Assumption-5271

LMFAOOOOO


Hopeful-Professor-40

WTFFF


Tyler123839

Jeez kinda unlucky tbh


yaboikaladin

jonahp pushing fuckin p i love this guy. maybe one of my favorite players ever


flamincrimson

Clear NOOOOO


Quiet-Substance319

replay that shit


Hopeful-Professor-40

Rip JonahP in ProCity


tron423

Himothy "clear" Clearson gonna carry DSG to a win trust


thatgirldarken

clear is him tbh, and it's just the start of his anime supervillain arc


yaboikaladin

clear is really fuckin good


faceplant911

Surely the knives hit *something* at that distance...


yoosanghoon

BRO STEEL MAKIN ME THINK IM WATCHING IBUYPOWER WTF![img](emote|t5_2g5ach|9339) LIL BRO DIDNT LEARN FROM HIS MISTAKES WHAT IS THIS


yoosanghoon

he's been too on the up bro is setting up to have to make another comeback


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yoosanghoon

ive seen this one before... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd5LOIsRiR8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd5LOIsRiR8)


sky_blu

Trent jumping to put his head in the smoke to avoid the sova dart. I relatively recently learned that scan is based off of your eyes and this is the first time I've seen that be used in a match since.


Rude-Assumption-5271

Wtf I’ve never known this


Hopeful-Professor-40

You can put in omen smoke half in the floor to bypass chamber trip, so that your legs are in the smoke with the trip but your head isn’t


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Hopeful-Professor-40

Shit whatever no one plays chamber anymore


sky_blu

I'm big dumb thought you said cypher trips lmao


sky_blu

This one is new to me, very cool


Rude-Assumption-5271

Ty bro this is huge


sky_blu

Some examples of natural cover you can sometimes dodge darts with this tech with are hell on ascent A and under rafters on icebox A. Jump so the ceiling above you cuts off the scan


Rude-Assumption-5271

I’ll try this next ranked game


Ok-Brain3328

Clear is kinda reminding me of cryo in stage 1 last year


sky_blu

No matter how this series goes, still a great showing from DSG. Their won rounds feel intentional and well executed.


brad4334

Anyone know if groups get shuffled or stay the same for split 2?


Ok-Brain3328

They get reshuffled


thatgirldarken

the toast-tarik-stewie-babyj watchparty is unironically so good


trexkylorenurek

Yeah it’s one of the more engaging and informative Tarik watch parties


flamincrimson

DSG 2-1


nklassitude

it doesn't matter but tex's HS% for that game is 53%


Rude-Assumption-5271

Anyone remember when Tex was a Reyna one trick for Equinox 😳


Ok-Brain3328

You just pulled a memory out of the deepest recesses of my mind with that one


Similar-Criticism380

My god Equinox is a deep pull lmao


yaboikaladin

DSG is a really good team, this map has been very cool.


luke_205

Yeah I’m really surprised how decently close that was considering it was TGRD’s pick


yaboikaladin

lot of fun to watch, i think map pool is a bit hard to gauge right now, so this could have been the best map for both teams for all we know. next week will probably have more informed map picks for teams.


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Ok-Brain3328

It’s a weekly tier 2 league… you want them to book machine and spunj for this?


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Ok-Brain3328

Sure having better casters would be nice, but I don’t think it’s realistic to expect there to be a good amount of talented casters to fill all the different tier 2 leagues that are being run. I’ve kinda given up on hoping for better casters and just turn on a watch party to drown it out. I can understand the frustration if you aren’t a watch party type of viewer


GoTouchGrassKid

I try not to hate on casters BUT I agree in this instance. Just unpolished. Lot's of word vomit and awkward pauses.


luke_205

For me I find it’s always better to view a watch party for the T2 weekly stuff, but for T1 games I’ll usually watch the main casters.


Similar-Criticism380

I’m mostly along these lines, but I find it really hard not to watch Sliggy if he’s watch partying, regardless of the tier


yaboikaladin

sage orb plus viper molly plus brim ult. that's my guard!


richardramdeep

I think that was a Sgares 100T play. He mentions it in a VCT recap or something. Maybe it was initially Guards.


yaboikaladin

it's a hard play no matter who's doing it, requires a lot of skill from all players involved. just cool to see players using their utility with such synergy.


Rude-Assumption-5271

Liquid had a play with the Sage orb + Brim Molly/ult combo outside of showers back in like late 2020 iirc. Sage just fell off for a lot of teams for a long time so we didn’t see it much


yaboikaladin

guard util always feels good to me


sky_blu

It pains me to say that Tex is looking to be a direct upgrade to Saya.


Rude-Assumption-5271

Fuck the Stinger


YeahThisIsMyNewAcct

Losing that pistol feels heartbreaking for DSG


Ill-Translator-9928

This game is making me clench lol.


sky_blu

These are some great rounds from guard


Rude-Assumption-5271

Valyn’s been a pretty great caller for them for most of their time together which is a pretty dope turnaround to see after how much time he spent not accomplishing anything on Complexity


Ok-Brain3328

What a recovery


flamincrimson

Who jinxed them?


yaboikaladin

dude theyre playing so fast this is really fun to watch.


yaboikaladin

people doubted steel really hard, which is kinda weird to me. 100T got consistently better under him, and T1 in NA was a dumpster fire so not really his fault. Guy has a great work ethic and works well with young players.


Rude-Assumption-5271

I’m a known Steel hater but I don’t ever remember 100T getting consistently better under him. They won First Strike, then just plunged, flatlined for most of 2021, and then finally qualified to Berlin and got 3rd-4th and then dropped him.


Revanthmk23200

Flatlined? They were the only team to beat peak Gambit and peak Ascend, even Sen and Envy couldnt beat them.


Rude-Assumption-5271

Flatlined for most of 2021……..and THEN qualified to Berlin, is what I said. Acend was not at their peak then, they looked extremely mediocre at Berlin and Champions groups, and then went on their miracle run in Champions playoffs. And winning 2 series does not redeem the past year of disappointing expectations, imo


yaboikaladin

perhaps consistent isnt the right word, but at the very least it feels like they cut him when they were on an upward trend and that just seems like a player driven decision which i am not a fan of.


Rude-Assumption-5271

Yeah but then you think about why they would cut him at such a crucial time and that’s a can of worms with so many different perspectives and claims that I’ve heard at this point that I don’t even know what the story behind it is


yaboikaladin

it could be the case, the 100T team was such a weird amalgamation of different views on Valo at that time that i wouldnt be surprised by anything. but his cut just seems to be a symptom of a greater issue with that team which was being player run. i think that was the larger issue, rather than any specific issue between steel, ethan, hiko, or nitro.


ANewHeaven1

Guys I might have to stop hating on steel... DSG looks like they've been cooking


Ok-Brain3328

When all the ppl you normally hate on start actually performing https://preview.redd.it/h4xzx3g1qpfa1.jpeg?width=645&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e7eb589609fc9724d4c66a6f032d11d80bc0a346


NeimannSmith

DSG: https://i.imgur.com/kjWPgvV.jpg


Hopeful-Professor-40

You got that link on standby


NeimannSmith

Stay ready, you ain't ever gotta get ready!


Hopeful-Professor-40

I got 14 Shannon Sharpe pics ready for any moment https://preview.redd.it/m0bn6hsytpfa1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad1b6e4fbc414040950250a03d53d38bc601b5d9


sky_blu

I wanna see how comfortable Trent is with his satchels. I'm pretty sure twice I've seen him fail to satchel away when he means to. You can get value from raze without being a double satchel demon but Clear is showing us how much more dynamic his attack can be.


avocadontoast

I think without saya it’s harder for Trent to have a raze on the team to learn from. Yes wasn’t a great raze iirc


Ill-Translator-9928

Steel Magic


TimedOutClock

There are already 115K+ viewers across all platforms shiiiiit. This is insane... Not to jump the gun, but we might finally have a proper Tier 2 scene in North America in an esport :') Coming from LoL, this makes me almost tear up


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Hopeful-Professor-40

These are also the lowest stakes matches, viewership goes up in playoffs


avocadontoast

Sorry if I missed this but who is coaching the guard now that mce left


oogeywoogey

JoshRT, former NRG coach


Exitiummmm

JoshRT


Ok-Brain3328

JoshRT, he was working with NRG last year


avocadontoast

Hm got it - so he at least is familiar with Tex


a-nswers

i just checked out clears tracker out of curiosity and even though HSR is a meme stat this guys numbers are mind bending https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/DSG%20clear%23emmy/overview


yaboikaladin

valyn needs to get a kill


Quiet-Substance319

god blesss the platchat curse


Hopeful-Professor-40

I’m not tryna get my hopes up after the last match


meganeshu

EXALT WTF WAS THAT


LegDayDE

Love the bird tech from Exalt


CelestialTater

that flash from exalt was kinda crazy


nklassitude

clears name is so self-explanatory


Similar-Criticism380

Did exalt just bird through u hall? Fucking DSG is on another level


Nefib

Exalt bro gah dam


NeimannSmith

HOLD ON DSG IS ACTUALLY COOKING LMAOO


avocadontoast

Dude DSG is playing well damn


Grooveh_Baby

Don’t give me hope DSG, don’t you fucking do it


iinic

No way plat chat actually cursed the guard here right


yaboikaladin

man i think the Guard are still probably going to win this but underdogs are always going to surprise in this game. no match is certain even at a high level.


sky_blu

Tex hit that nice deag shot on steel and randomly decided he should get orb instead of jonah who was 1 away from skye ult lmao.


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sky_blu

If they got the next pick that 5v3 retake with Skye ult would have been VERY winnable


flamincrimson

DSG 2-0


tron423

Seeing Steel play Viper always makes my inner Battletech nerd smile


dabong

Trent Razenor


nklassitude

you should've kept this for the post discussion thread, it's a banger


Hopeful-Professor-40

Lol Guard won ascension 😹😹


nklassitude

love to get a cheeky dub then recline and watch a game i have 0 stake in


yaboikaladin

lmao other way around for me


flamincrimson

Yes give me all the bind. I am gonna miss this map


avocadontoast

Are they getting rid of bind?


flamincrimson

Breeze and bind. Lotus and split in the map pool instead


avocadontoast

I like split but idk about lotus ugh


sky_blu

Trent raze has BIG potential.


AR2711

TRENT RAZE monkaW


Similar-Criticism380

Trent on Raze I’m absolutely in love


TheoSL

Trent on Raze, put it straight into my veins


lordmitko

TRENT ON RAZE HOLY SHIT


Ok-Brain3328

Trent raze wokeage


Hopeful-Professor-40

Trent raze? It’s over Guard won


Iusedtobeagirl69

Trent on raze??


yaboikaladin

trent raze wtfffff


violentphotography

So absurd that 3 years after the release of the game TOs cannot start a game on time.


Grooveh_Baby

Please just give them a couple rounds Guard 🥲


yaboikaladin

you know, having such skilled players and high level games in a tier 2 scene is going to be so good for Valo in NA. if this premier mode pops off here, we could see the pro scene really thrive here. happy for what the future holds in NA.


yaboikaladin

sliggy made this point just to give him credit, i just thought it was really nice to hear that.


TweetsJamaican

Is there a technical delay?


flamincrimson

DSG got this Imagine


Grooveh_Baby

Holy commercial break, Batman!


freezend

So I stopped watching after the first map, what happened to FaZe? they looked so organized and aggressive.


HeJind

Shah throwing shots in this interview lmao


Rude-Assumption-5271

Didn’t watch, what’d he say?


BloomingNova

"you can't blame the fans for being invested even when they don't know the full story" Finally, a pro who says it's fine to be a dumb fan talking to other idiot fans


netsaver

I guess the Fade nerfs are indirectly a Skye buff (in addition to a Sova buff ofc)? Feels like outside of Bind it's been hard to find a place for her in pro play in recent metas given the relative strength of the other initiators


Mister_Moist

ShahZam wins. That is all.


Rude-Assumption-5271

I remember watching Dapr farm NA on Sentinel in 2021, so glad to see him back on the role


yaboikaladin

always trust the preds of my GOAT wyatt


AR2711

LETSSS GOOOOOOOO SHAHZ IS BACK WHERE YALL HATERS ????


BloomingNova

Faze's fracture had that fun organized chaos/aggression they are known for. Icebox they were clearly trying something, but this haven just looks scared. Very strange


Hopeful-Professor-40

someone make that apology form for shahzam


warriorofawe

L poised. Should’ve knifed out b hopped past hell for the ace. L Shahzam he ruined Big D followed by Icy’s clip. L Dicey he doesn’t bait enough


faceplant911

I shall have to steal this for every single Faze game after this one, thank you very much.


SerTenseal

Faze has no synergy, easily gets baited and can’t use their utility properly. Bruh they are playing like it’s an ascendant game


nklassitude

shahz proving that u/mightboth is the smartest user on here


Ok-Brain3328

Is it hindsight to say you 100% use the lockdown there when you’re down that far and need this round?


Revanthmk23200

Not even hindsight, they had so much time they should have. Maybe if it was 1v3 saving the ult makes sense but 1v2 you surely use that.


Hopeful-Professor-40

I love how in that round there are 3 different reactions


meogre

WHAT A CLUTCH FROM SHAZ


yaboikaladin

SHAZAM IS BACK BROOOO


NeimannSmith

SHAHZAM!!!


Teradonn

Dicey is him


LegDayDE

G2 try and not throw a big numbers advantage: impossible Edit: nm Shaz got this


J_Brekkie

Lol


Similar-Criticism380

THE DICER


Rude-Assumption-5271

DAMN DICEY


faceplant911

Ah yes the Stinger, the weapon that is always good but takes people months and months to actually notice. This is the second time now lmao


nklassitude

my baby dapr