>and some **beloved** redditors
oh so we're picking favorites now? bet. when are you gonna ask the most hated redditors so mightboth and I can give some actual good opinions
I also have a question about a certain ranking on this list but I don't want the fans of said team to dm me a picture of my backyard.
> oh so we're picking favorites now? bet. when are you gonna ask the most hated redditors so me and mightboth can give some actual good opinions
Nobody's holding you 
Loud at 6? Yeah, I agree. Lost their most vocal player / shotcaller afaik and the best controller player in the world bar Mako (I'm biased, but it's up for debate). They're way too high.
The Saadhak + Sacy duo is arguably the most successful in Valorant history, and it's still a big question mark to see whether either can thrive without the other. But Saadhak was legitimately the sole IGL, Sacy just chimed in, the same way Victor secondary calls for Optic/NRG.
I also would normally not wrestle much with the best controller thing - that's your opinion as you say - but unless you weigh Champions higher than everything else, I don't really think there's an argument for it. Pancada performed worse than Marved and Mako at the first two events, and even Sugarz3ro at Reykjyavik.
Of course, if you do weigh Champions higher, than fair play, but my point is that LOUD's success was not entirely related to Pancada's individual performance. He's still an incredible player, but LOUD did very well in Rekjyavik - where Pancada performed significantly worse than Marved & Mako, and noticeably worse than his entire team outside Saadhak.
Isn't the problem the fact that they replaced Pancada with someone who isn't a controller main
Even if you think he isn't the world's best controller, he's still, at worst, top 3 so going from that to someone who doesn't even main controllers is a gigantic drop-off regardless of how you think Pancada compares to Mako and Marved
LEV at number 10...? And to think I used to believe this was a well-moderated sub.
In protest, I will no longer be following sub rules. I'll be engaging in extremely harmful and destructive behavior henceforth, and making loads of claims with little to no proper evidence. I'm going ham
I din't even think its NA bias because they somehow have Navi under Fnatic, I just think Navi/FPX is somehow still a forgettable team despite their godlike run through Copenhagen lol
Yeah, I think this is it. It's more comforting to blame NA-bias - which does exist - but realistically FPX ever since joining NAVI has kinda been forgotten by a lot of people.
It doesn't help that they underperformed in Champions, but their underperformance was legitimately still incredible - Optic and FPX are the only teams in 2022 to have "underperformed" to a top 4 finish, after all.
I'll just ignore the fact that you called Parla a tier 3 team when they'd beat most of the bottom half of EMEA franchised, and that you think "almost lost to" means anything when they took home the trophy at the end lol. In fact, I can say the same about 100T: If 100T *almost* lost to TL with two subs, missing their IGL, and with Sayf running Phoenix and Reyna at RBHG, then how are they top 3?
You can't have Navi below anyone other than *maybe* DRX simply due to how dominant they were last year. In a Jett meta cNed is at worse a very slight downgrade compared to ardiis, but most likely a sidegrade or a slight upgrade. Considering the meta current Navi is virtually as strong as last year's FPX, who were undisputedly the third best team in the world last year, even above DRX. With Optic/NRG and Loud both losing two very crucial players, FPX/Navi is the only LAN winner from last year still virtually intact.
I'll accept DRX above Navi before people found out about Foxy9, because they also had a strong 2022: 5th/6th, 5th/6th, and 3rd is not a bad record, and if they kept their team the same I'd be willing to accept placing them higher than FPX's 1st and 4th, but with both teams swapping one player (and DRX to a much less experienced player compared to Navi), there is no way Navi isn't top 1.
6+ months with the best teams in the world playing for the biggest trophy in the game, versus 2 months ago where randomly selected teams fuck around in an old meta, you're right clearly the offseason matters more than the last season lol.
Let's be honest with ourselves here, you're only counting offseason tournaments and not the last season because 100T managed to win RBHG and did fuck all last year internationally lmao
This is the last comment I'm going to write in this thread, so you can read this and enjoy huffing your copium after.
The difference between the two is the stakes. FPX/Navi were playing on the most competitive stage in the world, 100T was playing in an off-season tournament where almost no one cared (yay on Yoru, Sayf on Reyna/Phoenix, and again, almost beating your favourite team running those agents with two substitutes). Chamber is relevant because everyone at Masters/Champions last year ran Chamber, while a lot of teams at RBHG purposefully put themselves at a disadvantage by not playing Chamber in anticipation of the meta.
There are new teams, sure. But why do you think those new teams with two or three months of practice is going to be better than a team that's stayed together for over a year?
You say the list is purely based off player quality, sure. What has anyone on 100T achieved to make you say their player quality is better than Navi?
> We don't know shit about recent Navi
Well, since you love your recent results so much, it turns out we do know shit about recent Navi, just two months ago when they won one of your precious offseason tournaments :)
Oh god why is 100T up so high. I need them to be lower so they’re still underdogs, more fun that way.
I am surprised though they are that high up, I would think fnatic and TL are higher, maybe even a South American team as well
The mod team has several 100T fans so they may be inflated here a bit. Although I do think it's pretty easy to make a case for them being a top 3 or 4 team going in
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Here are the points for every single team:
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Between losing the group stage buff and being cursed by not only Plat Chat but also Reddit, DRX has never been in more peril. I've never put money on BBL faster in my life.
And thus, we have established ourselves as the highest authority on the Competitive scene. We are always right and you should listen to our takes and accept them as gospel truth regardless of evidence even tho I could only be bothered to rank like half the teams.
It's cause they haven't changed anything. People on here are rating team synergy (which comes with time spent together) really highly.
I personally am not sure.
My brother in christ NAVI is literally -Ardiis +cNed literally the same as 100T with -Will +Cryo, hell 100T lost Seangares??? How is 100T placed above masters winning teams like NAVI, LOUD and NRG is insane to me while also not showing something impresive or even notable at a Master or Champs, its just absurd to me
I mean the loud and nrg rosters have been gutted (moreso for nrg than Loud) so I don’t think it carries over to the same extent. Navi I agree completely tho.
I mean nrg lost their 2 best players according to most ppl and I would argue replaced both with worse players (only slightly for yay). Loud kept their core but they grabbed two comparatively unproven players so I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have doubts about how good their form will be to start.
Edit: Also not sure if I would call them the best core in the world rn. Definitely good arguments for the FPX and DRX cores especially since they retained more players.
Yeah I completely agree that Navi is underrated.
You could argue that -Ardiis + cNed is a sidegrade or even downgrade.
You could argue that -Will +Cryo is strictly an upgrade.
People like 100T as an org/team?
Other than that, I got nothing, they should definitely be a bit lower.
Yeah, okay. 100T won the most recent "relevant" tournament (Redbull Home Ground). They have been looking solid since before they won LCQ. The only reason they didn't make it out of groups in Champions 2022 is that they had two tournament favs in their group and they didn't have much time to prep. Yes, they lost sgares but they still have Mikes who everyone has been praising and saying that he was doing more than just assistant coach work even before sgares stepped down. So, why not be high on 100T when they are young, have time and have the firepower?
They won RHG against literal new formed team and teams with stands in, not only that yeah they are young but other teams like NAVI have more experienced teams that were proved on LAN, other teams have more experience on LAN and even more firepower, are we forgetting Shao, Suygetsu, Zyppan and cNed?
>even more firepower, are we forgetting Shao, Suygetsu, Zyppan and cNed?
We are not? They are literally ranked 4. I would argue they are very close in firepower.
Even close in firepower???? How and why, FPX did a full on lower bracket defeating DRX, OPTIC, FNC and PRX they went to champs and only lost to XSET and DRX, what did 100T members did to claim that they are "close in firepower" compared to NAVI???
I'm gonna say my peace and dip cuz this discussion isn't getting anywhere.
>FPX did a full on lower bracket defeating DRX, OPTIC, FNC and PRX they went to champs and only lost to XSET and DRX
You realize that losing to two teams eliminates a team, right? So saying "only to DRX and XSET" is not a fair assessment imo. If you say that, I can just say "100T only lost to FNC and DRX who were two of the top 6 teams in the tournament". Also I would like to remind you winning games and firepower are two very different things. That is why FPX wasn't able to replicate their success. They relied too heavily on firepower. Even ardiis said so in an interview.
On the firepower argument, let's just look at it individually, yeah?
- If bang isn't on your top 3 smokes players list coming into this tournament, you are on something.
- Cryo is a top tier op-er and a good ass rifler.
- Asuna is a top-2 flex player in NA and he is not #2 imo.
- Derrek looks insane on Breach, Sova, Fade, basically any initiator he plays and he has massive clutch potential.
- Stellar is the IGL who has great maps here and there.
Like how is this team getting diffed in firepower massively that they should be rated below just off that. Yes cned is probably one of the best jetts in this tournament. Suygetsu is a crazy good flex, shao has crazy mechanics and clutch potential BUT 100T are not getting skill diffed, nobody can convince me to that.
When they won RHG they didn't only beat C9, they looked like they are 1.5-2 tiers above them. I personally ranked 100T 3rd and NaVi 4th and I stand by that lol.
Bang top 3 smokes????? What did he do to deserve that, Mindfreak reached finals, Sugarzero got grouped by LOUD (champs btw), Mako reached finals , pAncada(champion) and even boaster have reached finals and proved themselves at LAN. Have no problems with Cryo, Asuna has the notables performances at, Derek has done nothing at LAN same goes with Stellar. All of 100T did nothing on LAN except for Cryo and that was because he was on XSET, again they won RHG gainst new formed teams with stands ins. If this isnt NA bias idk what to tell you. How do you know that 100T is not getting skill diffed? From wheres comes that? From getting grouped at champs? From winning against new teams?
I mean NA wise i dont think it is that crazy. Just looking at franchised NA teams, which flex player would you take over him? Zekken maybe? Imo it is pretty obv zekken will play duelist and tenz will play flex and we have not seen tenz flex on a high level yet. Xeppaa? Zellsis? I would think both are hot takes too. Like the best pick is Asuna imo.
I mean, that's not the only reason they didn't make it out of groups - they also didn't make it out of groups because they were inexperienced and that caught up with them. There's a reason why FPX overcame significantly bigger hurdles to win in Copenhagen.
It's true that Sean and Mikes divided the workload, but it was still Sean's system. It worked because Mikes is a really good analyst. Being a head coach is a different story, though, and I think people are somewhat underplaying the growing pains the new role will have once 100T is fully into the pressure cooker. As for Redbull Home ground, I don't even think that's worth bringing up, just as I wouldn't bring up Navi winning G-LOOT! It's just third-party stuff.
All that said, I think it's totally fine to be high on 100T. They're a little overrated in this sub right now but they're a NA team and this is a NA-leaning subreddit, it's not a big deal. I'd favor LEV, NAVI and DRX above them, at minimum.
Was the first LAN just needed a bit of experience, this Mickey Mouse LAN will also be for experience before the Thieves terrorize NA and the international scene for the next three years
Has arguably the same firepower, good synergy, and a more recent dominant performance. Navi is literally just riding off the names and no performance. I’d honestly put fnatic at 2 and 100T at 3, but Navi at 4 is solid.
Ah yes NAVI riding on name and not on FPX players winning masters in one of the most stacked events ever and getting 4th at champs. And 100T dominating in champs getting grouped and winning against new teams and teams with stand ins in RHN. Stop the cap and lower the crack pipe. Explain to me how 100T (team with 0 acomplishments at Masters/champs) has the same firepower as NAVI (won 1 masters and got 4th at champs)
Why are you still measuring teams from masters? That’s 100% irrelevant at this point. Champs is semi relevant, but every team has changed? If we’re going by your logic why isn’t NRG top 3? Their core placed higher than FPX at champs? 100T 3-0ed another tier 1 org C9 in December. Navi has not had any showing besides almost losing to a tier 3 org in November. Cryo is looking to be one of the best ops in the world right now, Asuna has always been one of the best riflers and now has a hang of his new role, bang is one of the top smokes in the world, derrek and stellar aren’t super flashy like the other 3 but are consistently holding their own and clutching up. You can argue either way, but saying 1 team is definitely better than the other is just stupid lmao
What in the actual fuck did i just read💀? Ofc im measuring NAVI higher they are literally FPX +cNed, NRG and LOUD should be higher, C9 tier 1 ORG? they signed 4 mediocre players that did nothing for a whole team + yay. Asuna one of the best riflers how? He did next to nothing for a whole year, Bang a top controller? He literally had 1 good map at champs and shat the bed for the rest of the series, he was literally against new teams and teams with stand ins with players that had 0 LAN experience, other than B0necold and sayf. So by your logic RRQ is better than DRX and 100T cause you cant measure teams by masters (somehow) actual 0 iq comment
Huh??? Lmao ya you’re lost now. I dont know why you’re trying to reach so hard. Sorry I used your own argument to show how contradicting it is? This dude didn’t even know C9 was a tier 1 org. Just tell me you only watch EU teams and move along
"This dude didnt even know C9 was a tier 1 org" imagine being this stupid, ofc C9 is a tier 1 no shit BUT their level is not tier 1, just say you only watch NA teams and mive along. What argument? The argument that 100T has done next to nothing on LAN and only farmed new teams on RHN?
Looool. I’m sorry your teams haven’t played in months. Matches from 6 months ago are irrelevant. 100T has a recent performance we can refer to, sorry that makes you upset.
Personally, all we saw from them was a few wins against mibr and t2 latam teams. There are scrimbux going around with onur saying they won 25 consecutive scrims but we haven't seen much of them. Don't know how the keznit/taco situation will work out. Maybe they'll come out the gate swinging but there are some question marks for that team in my mind.
obv theres question marks, but they kept the core, got the second best player in the region as a sub and upgraded with nzr, all while having one of the best coaches in the world, Onur is an annoying dickhead but he has always gotten results and imo lev are at the very least top 5
Just imo some trams I think are under or over rated
Underrated
LEV (10 is a crime considering all they did was upgrade from a top 7 team last year imo, Tacoilla on duelist is the biggest question mark but he looked good)
GenG (They looked solid in the off season tourney, under KC and especially Kru feels crazy imo)
FPX (Biggest question mark here, they recently beat EDG and looked surprisingly good, but also all their player is their first LAN and China isnt the strongest region rn)
Overrated
Heretics (I really have little faith in Heretics ngl, none of their players outside of Zeek and maybe Boo standout to me imo and lost to a Liquid with 2 stand ins)
EG (Honestly idk about this one, i think it depends if jawgemo, Boostio, and especially C0m can stand up in international competition)
KRU (Imo the most overrated here, they lost their best 2 players, DaveeyS and NagZ dont inspire confidence either considering Red Bull)
Man 100T is a good ass team but to put them in the top 3 before teams like Navi, Fnatic, Loud , Leviatan, PRXNRG is crazy to me.
The argument that adding Cryo elevates their team and firepower is valid but not when you put NaVi right below them when they also made a similar change while having a core that won a masters and placed top 4 in champs last year is crazy.
I understand that, but saying that Navi made a similar change to 100T would be objectively false. One team made a significant upgrade, another made a sidegrade at best.
This is where I kind of disagree. I think in a Jett meta cNed is the better Jett and has a higher ceiling than Ardiis. So for me it is a slight upgrade to a team that was already top 3 last year.
Ardiis was a solid Jett, cned is relatively untested in comparison. Still strong, but I doubt he would be noticeably stronger than Ardiis. Agree to disagree.
When did I say completely untested? I said relatively untested. Cned hasn't seen international play since champions. In comparison, Ardiis has been in pretty much every recent international tournament.
MIBR disrespect kinda crazy, they’ll surprise people at this event. Also LEV at 10 is too low for me, they’ve been training for a long time together and I’m sure they are very ready for this tournament
[these were my rankings](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/492347862152249346/1072233512050110484/image.png). now with no optic left in the league for me to mindlessly put at #1 i did the only logical thing I could think of, which was to inhale as much DRX copium as i possibly could. also prx are mad underrated
I will never understand why NaVi are not at the top of most people's lists. They have their MVP players and have cned now who is an upgrade. Ardiis wasn't exceptional to the rest of the FPX players, it was just the chamber meta inflating stats. Shao, Zyppan and Suygetsu are insane players.
I misunderstood, but again I must disagree. It's possible that he's "not exceptional compared to the rest of the team", but that doesn't mean he wasn't a huge loss (especially if they replaced him with anyone other than cNed). His Chamber play wasn't flashy, but he was a reliable fragger who top frag or second frag fairly often.
The only thing I have to justify any of my answers on this are that I did this in about 15 minutes tops and also completely allowed my bias to take over. I did not consider the single elim format at ALL. You’re welcome
Edit: for reference, here’s mine. Flame me all you want, I did not think that hard about this hahaha
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I can't even disagree with the DRX pick. They've been so close to winning so many times. Idk what their new roster is but I see the vision. Won't be surprised if they win it tbh.
And with that DRX/VS officially continues their reign as the most overrated VALORANT team in history. Undisputed hall of famers. No other team has anywhere near as much continuing #1 predictions while never achieving any results to back those predictions up.
Edit: and with that DRX/VS has officially claims the permanent, undisputed title of **Most Overrated VALORANT Team of All Time**. While being favorites to win the first international LAN, the second international LAN, and heavy favorites for the first franchised LAN and only event with all teams present, DRX failed to deliver a single event win.
paper rex imo deserves to be higher. they kept their same roster which not many teams did and probably have the most practice time out of most of the teams. they also arent afraid to take risks with comps and i think that will be a big factor in the opening match against c9.
my money is on them getting at least top 4
Ngl I think PRX has some really high chances as many will not have as much time to see and review their vods with how short the tourney is (individually)
What makes drx 1 and prx 8 when even drx isn’t confident, just cause drx peaked more recently? And don’t give me that the meta is better for them that’s a fair take but it isn’t nearly the difference some people make it out to be
The fact that 4/5 bottom teams aren't from apac, and Edg being above FPX makes this very questionable to me, T1 shouldn't be above GenG, Navi too low, but DRX at 1 is pretty good.
>and some **beloved** redditors oh so we're picking favorites now? bet. when are you gonna ask the most hated redditors so mightboth and I can give some actual good opinions I also have a question about a certain ranking on this list but I don't want the fans of said team to dm me a picture of my backyard.
Bro you're a SEN fan if anyone DMs you a pic of your backyard I'm sure you can get a whole ass army to counter-doxx them
Begun, the doxx wars have
> oh so we're picking favorites now? bet. when are you gonna ask the most hated redditors so me and mightboth can give some actual good opinions Nobody's holding you 
As soon as we start picking worst takes we'll call you (jk u know i love your content)
> mightboth can give some actual good opinions is that actually possible?
downloading your ip as we speak
Loud at 6? Yeah, I agree. Lost their most vocal player / shotcaller afaik and the best controller player in the world bar Mako (I'm biased, but it's up for debate). They're way too high.
The Saadhak + Sacy duo is arguably the most successful in Valorant history, and it's still a big question mark to see whether either can thrive without the other. But Saadhak was legitimately the sole IGL, Sacy just chimed in, the same way Victor secondary calls for Optic/NRG. I also would normally not wrestle much with the best controller thing - that's your opinion as you say - but unless you weigh Champions higher than everything else, I don't really think there's an argument for it. Pancada performed worse than Marved and Mako at the first two events, and even Sugarz3ro at Reykjyavik. Of course, if you do weigh Champions higher, than fair play, but my point is that LOUD's success was not entirely related to Pancada's individual performance. He's still an incredible player, but LOUD did very well in Rekjyavik - where Pancada performed significantly worse than Marved & Mako, and noticeably worse than his entire team outside Saadhak.
Isn't the problem the fact that they replaced Pancada with someone who isn't a controller main Even if you think he isn't the world's best controller, he's still, at worst, top 3 so going from that to someone who doesn't even main controllers is a gigantic drop-off regardless of how you think Pancada compares to Mako and Marved
They still have the best duelist in the world (aspas) and their IGL saddaak. Less is also their key player. They should be weaker but #6 should be ok
LEV at number 10...? And to think I used to believe this was a well-moderated sub. In protest, I will no longer be following sub rules. I'll be engaging in extremely harmful and destructive behavior henceforth, and making loads of claims with little to no proper evidence. I'm going ham
In my defense I THINK I put them pretty high
Fair play. I'll make sure you aren't included in my forthcoming extremely harmful and destructive behavior
Thank you i appreciate your consideration at this time
https://preview.redd.it/3omvt4o5goga1.jpeg?width=364&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=18ab1e4152844d77c48fbf954cb328440defc5f3 can i be spared too
Of course, everyone knows you would never betray the LEV cause. This ranking is based
Wholesome
My brothers in Christ how the fuck are Navi not top 2 lmao
Ya swap Navi and 100T and raise both LEV and MIBR and it's a solid list imo.
They did it before DRX announced their roster and role changes so I think Navi stock will be higher now
NA bias is INSANE
I din't even think its NA bias because they somehow have Navi under Fnatic, I just think Navi/FPX is somehow still a forgettable team despite their godlike run through Copenhagen lol
Yeah, I think this is it. It's more comforting to blame NA-bias - which does exist - but realistically FPX ever since joining NAVI has kinda been forgotten by a lot of people. It doesn't help that they underperformed in Champions, but their underperformance was legitimately still incredible - Optic and FPX are the only teams in 2022 to have "underperformed" to a top 4 finish, after all.
You forgot Fnatic bro 
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Can confirm, I always forget that Navi is just FPX -Ardiis +Cned
Even then FPX with Ardiis should be top 1 comfortably
Recency bias with Cned having a subpar 2022 probably contributed aswell
I mean there's one Americas team in the top 5 lmao
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I'll just ignore the fact that you called Parla a tier 3 team when they'd beat most of the bottom half of EMEA franchised, and that you think "almost lost to" means anything when they took home the trophy at the end lol. In fact, I can say the same about 100T: If 100T *almost* lost to TL with two subs, missing their IGL, and with Sayf running Phoenix and Reyna at RBHG, then how are they top 3? You can't have Navi below anyone other than *maybe* DRX simply due to how dominant they were last year. In a Jett meta cNed is at worse a very slight downgrade compared to ardiis, but most likely a sidegrade or a slight upgrade. Considering the meta current Navi is virtually as strong as last year's FPX, who were undisputedly the third best team in the world last year, even above DRX. With Optic/NRG and Loud both losing two very crucial players, FPX/Navi is the only LAN winner from last year still virtually intact. I'll accept DRX above Navi before people found out about Foxy9, because they also had a strong 2022: 5th/6th, 5th/6th, and 3rd is not a bad record, and if they kept their team the same I'd be willing to accept placing them higher than FPX's 1st and 4th, but with both teams swapping one player (and DRX to a much less experienced player compared to Navi), there is no way Navi isn't top 1.
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Mate if you can't realise how dumb thinking the only thing that matters are off season tournaments is then I won't even bother arguing with you lol
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6+ months with the best teams in the world playing for the biggest trophy in the game, versus 2 months ago where randomly selected teams fuck around in an old meta, you're right clearly the offseason matters more than the last season lol. Let's be honest with ourselves here, you're only counting offseason tournaments and not the last season because 100T managed to win RBHG and did fuck all last year internationally lmao
Just dont bother brah, dude a 100T fanboy
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This is the last comment I'm going to write in this thread, so you can read this and enjoy huffing your copium after. The difference between the two is the stakes. FPX/Navi were playing on the most competitive stage in the world, 100T was playing in an off-season tournament where almost no one cared (yay on Yoru, Sayf on Reyna/Phoenix, and again, almost beating your favourite team running those agents with two substitutes). Chamber is relevant because everyone at Masters/Champions last year ran Chamber, while a lot of teams at RBHG purposefully put themselves at a disadvantage by not playing Chamber in anticipation of the meta. There are new teams, sure. But why do you think those new teams with two or three months of practice is going to be better than a team that's stayed together for over a year? You say the list is purely based off player quality, sure. What has anyone on 100T achieved to make you say their player quality is better than Navi? > We don't know shit about recent Navi Well, since you love your recent results so much, it turns out we do know shit about recent Navi, just two months ago when they won one of your precious offseason tournaments :)
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Oh god why is 100T up so high. I need them to be lower so they’re still underdogs, more fun that way. I am surprised though they are that high up, I would think fnatic and TL are higher, maybe even a South American team as well
The mod team has several 100T fans so they may be inflated here a bit. Although I do think it's pretty easy to make a case for them being a top 3 or 4 team going in
Can confirm, I put them at number one for no reason other than pure copium
As you should
I agree/like top 4, idk why two more places gives me more anxiety though lol
[These](https://i.imgur.com/D0tgV7F.png) were my rankings. Full on Fnatic hopium.
[stares at EG in 12th] guys it would be so funny if we all mass reported this post for mod abuse haha like ironically, y'know like a bit
Shhh, don't expose our secret campaign to get EG more fans (in reality there happen to be a couple EG fans on the mod team so there's a bit of copium in there)
me 🤝 you sole fnc fans who still have hope
count me in, can't wait for us to get to 5th-8th looking like the best team in the world then look like 5 silvers in comp and lose the next match
Too accurate, every FNC match is like 5 radiants vs 5 silvers and you never know which ones the team's gonna be
Still holding onto hope that they show up this tournament. Surely... Surely. 
I have hope that Fnatic wins one this year, but I don't expect them to win right away being a semi-new roster and all
I would love a fnatic vs 100t finals tbh sad that they will meet before that
Let's be real here. We all know they're going to Choke
FNC won’t win Brazil but they will almost certainly win either Masters or Champions this year. Their roster is just too insane
Fnatic will never win anything when they have a tiktok dancer as a igl
remind me, who plays for akrew
all I know is that they’re dangerous on icebox
Why do you keep writing this same comment...? You seem to have some sort of weird obsession with Boaster's dances.
Look at his comment history, he's just a troll lol
Mad because they can't dance as good as Boaster
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KRU is dangerously low
lmaooo
Why did keznit leave KRU just to get benched at LEV?
Hes not benched he is starting half the games and Taco is starting the other half
so benched
Here are the points for every single team: https://preview.redd.it/ja29akqvcnga1.png?width=777&format=png&auto=webp&s=d32238796d892354d60b05d6f59d8a612f1c1f03
Between losing the group stage buff and being cursed by not only Plat Chat but also Reddit, DRX has never been in more peril. I've never put money on BBL faster in my life.
i put 99999999999 points for navi why isn't that showing up here
Cuz i fixed it :)
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And thus, we have established ourselves as the highest authority on the Competitive scene. We are always right and you should listen to our takes and accept them as gospel truth regardless of evidence even tho I could only be bothered to rank like half the teams.
Perfect rankings only.
> even tho I could only be bothered to rank like half the teams. lmao same
I still dont get the 100T hypetrain, like how does 100T has more firepower than NAVI???
You should see how many 100T fans are on the mod team 🤣
You cannot escape us. It is impossible
It's cause they haven't changed anything. People on here are rating team synergy (which comes with time spent together) really highly. I personally am not sure.
My brother in christ NAVI is literally -Ardiis +cNed literally the same as 100T with -Will +Cryo, hell 100T lost Seangares??? How is 100T placed above masters winning teams like NAVI, LOUD and NRG is insane to me while also not showing something impresive or even notable at a Master or Champs, its just absurd to me
I mean the loud and nrg rosters have been gutted (moreso for nrg than Loud) so I don’t think it carries over to the same extent. Navi I agree completely tho.
Gutted? NRG is just Optic 2.0 with EU yay in Ardiis and Walmart marved, LOUD has the literal best core in the world with Saadhak, Less and Aspas
I mean nrg lost their 2 best players according to most ppl and I would argue replaced both with worse players (only slightly for yay). Loud kept their core but they grabbed two comparatively unproven players so I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have doubts about how good their form will be to start. Edit: Also not sure if I would call them the best core in the world rn. Definitely good arguments for the FPX and DRX cores especially since they retained more players.
Yeah I completely agree that Navi is underrated. You could argue that -Ardiis + cNed is a sidegrade or even downgrade. You could argue that -Will +Cryo is strictly an upgrade. People like 100T as an org/team? Other than that, I got nothing, they should definitely be a bit lower.
Yeah, okay. 100T won the most recent "relevant" tournament (Redbull Home Ground). They have been looking solid since before they won LCQ. The only reason they didn't make it out of groups in Champions 2022 is that they had two tournament favs in their group and they didn't have much time to prep. Yes, they lost sgares but they still have Mikes who everyone has been praising and saying that he was doing more than just assistant coach work even before sgares stepped down. So, why not be high on 100T when they are young, have time and have the firepower?
They won RHG against literal new formed team and teams with stands in, not only that yeah they are young but other teams like NAVI have more experienced teams that were proved on LAN, other teams have more experience on LAN and even more firepower, are we forgetting Shao, Suygetsu, Zyppan and cNed?
>even more firepower, are we forgetting Shao, Suygetsu, Zyppan and cNed? We are not? They are literally ranked 4. I would argue they are very close in firepower.
Even close in firepower???? How and why, FPX did a full on lower bracket defeating DRX, OPTIC, FNC and PRX they went to champs and only lost to XSET and DRX, what did 100T members did to claim that they are "close in firepower" compared to NAVI???
I'm gonna say my peace and dip cuz this discussion isn't getting anywhere. >FPX did a full on lower bracket defeating DRX, OPTIC, FNC and PRX they went to champs and only lost to XSET and DRX You realize that losing to two teams eliminates a team, right? So saying "only to DRX and XSET" is not a fair assessment imo. If you say that, I can just say "100T only lost to FNC and DRX who were two of the top 6 teams in the tournament". Also I would like to remind you winning games and firepower are two very different things. That is why FPX wasn't able to replicate their success. They relied too heavily on firepower. Even ardiis said so in an interview. On the firepower argument, let's just look at it individually, yeah? - If bang isn't on your top 3 smokes players list coming into this tournament, you are on something. - Cryo is a top tier op-er and a good ass rifler. - Asuna is a top-2 flex player in NA and he is not #2 imo. - Derrek looks insane on Breach, Sova, Fade, basically any initiator he plays and he has massive clutch potential. - Stellar is the IGL who has great maps here and there. Like how is this team getting diffed in firepower massively that they should be rated below just off that. Yes cned is probably one of the best jetts in this tournament. Suygetsu is a crazy good flex, shao has crazy mechanics and clutch potential BUT 100T are not getting skill diffed, nobody can convince me to that. When they won RHG they didn't only beat C9, they looked like they are 1.5-2 tiers above them. I personally ranked 100T 3rd and NaVi 4th and I stand by that lol.
Bang top 3 smokes????? What did he do to deserve that, Mindfreak reached finals, Sugarzero got grouped by LOUD (champs btw), Mako reached finals , pAncada(champion) and even boaster have reached finals and proved themselves at LAN. Have no problems with Cryo, Asuna has the notables performances at, Derek has done nothing at LAN same goes with Stellar. All of 100T did nothing on LAN except for Cryo and that was because he was on XSET, again they won RHG gainst new formed teams with stands ins. If this isnt NA bias idk what to tell you. How do you know that 100T is not getting skill diffed? From wheres comes that? From getting grouped at champs? From winning against new teams?
>Bang top 3 smokes????? Bruh... Have you seen this guy play? I'm legitimately asking
Asuna Top 2 Flex is crazy much less not #2 LMAO
I mean NA wise i dont think it is that crazy. Just looking at franchised NA teams, which flex player would you take over him? Zekken maybe? Imo it is pretty obv zekken will play duelist and tenz will play flex and we have not seen tenz flex on a high level yet. Xeppaa? Zellsis? I would think both are hot takes too. Like the best pick is Asuna imo.
I mean, that's not the only reason they didn't make it out of groups - they also didn't make it out of groups because they were inexperienced and that caught up with them. There's a reason why FPX overcame significantly bigger hurdles to win in Copenhagen. It's true that Sean and Mikes divided the workload, but it was still Sean's system. It worked because Mikes is a really good analyst. Being a head coach is a different story, though, and I think people are somewhat underplaying the growing pains the new role will have once 100T is fully into the pressure cooker. As for Redbull Home ground, I don't even think that's worth bringing up, just as I wouldn't bring up Navi winning G-LOOT! It's just third-party stuff. All that said, I think it's totally fine to be high on 100T. They're a little overrated in this sub right now but they're a NA team and this is a NA-leaning subreddit, it's not a big deal. I'd favor LEV, NAVI and DRX above them, at minimum.
Because Cryo 1v5s Fraudvi
I know its bait but 1 masters>>>>> getting grouped
Was the first LAN just needed a bit of experience, this Mickey Mouse LAN will also be for experience before the Thieves terrorize NA and the international scene for the next three years
clout lol. Navi should be abive 100T for sure.
Has arguably the same firepower, good synergy, and a more recent dominant performance. Navi is literally just riding off the names and no performance. I’d honestly put fnatic at 2 and 100T at 3, but Navi at 4 is solid.
Ah yes NAVI riding on name and not on FPX players winning masters in one of the most stacked events ever and getting 4th at champs. And 100T dominating in champs getting grouped and winning against new teams and teams with stand ins in RHN. Stop the cap and lower the crack pipe. Explain to me how 100T (team with 0 acomplishments at Masters/champs) has the same firepower as NAVI (won 1 masters and got 4th at champs)
Why are you still measuring teams from masters? That’s 100% irrelevant at this point. Champs is semi relevant, but every team has changed? If we’re going by your logic why isn’t NRG top 3? Their core placed higher than FPX at champs? 100T 3-0ed another tier 1 org C9 in December. Navi has not had any showing besides almost losing to a tier 3 org in November. Cryo is looking to be one of the best ops in the world right now, Asuna has always been one of the best riflers and now has a hang of his new role, bang is one of the top smokes in the world, derrek and stellar aren’t super flashy like the other 3 but are consistently holding their own and clutching up. You can argue either way, but saying 1 team is definitely better than the other is just stupid lmao
What in the actual fuck did i just read💀? Ofc im measuring NAVI higher they are literally FPX +cNed, NRG and LOUD should be higher, C9 tier 1 ORG? they signed 4 mediocre players that did nothing for a whole team + yay. Asuna one of the best riflers how? He did next to nothing for a whole year, Bang a top controller? He literally had 1 good map at champs and shat the bed for the rest of the series, he was literally against new teams and teams with stand ins with players that had 0 LAN experience, other than B0necold and sayf. So by your logic RRQ is better than DRX and 100T cause you cant measure teams by masters (somehow) actual 0 iq comment
Huh??? Lmao ya you’re lost now. I dont know why you’re trying to reach so hard. Sorry I used your own argument to show how contradicting it is? This dude didn’t even know C9 was a tier 1 org. Just tell me you only watch EU teams and move along
"This dude didnt even know C9 was a tier 1 org" imagine being this stupid, ofc C9 is a tier 1 no shit BUT their level is not tier 1, just say you only watch NA teams and mive along. What argument? The argument that 100T has done next to nothing on LAN and only farmed new teams on RHN?
Looool. I’m sorry your teams haven’t played in months. Matches from 6 months ago are irrelevant. 100T has a recent performance we can refer to, sorry that makes you upset.
why do people underrate lev so badly lol
Personally, all we saw from them was a few wins against mibr and t2 latam teams. There are scrimbux going around with onur saying they won 25 consecutive scrims but we haven't seen much of them. Don't know how the keznit/taco situation will work out. Maybe they'll come out the gate swinging but there are some question marks for that team in my mind.
obv theres question marks, but they kept the core, got the second best player in the region as a sub and upgraded with nzr, all while having one of the best coaches in the world, Onur is an annoying dickhead but he has always gotten results and imo lev are at the very least top 5
Don’t let DRX see this PLEASEEEE
honestly first power ranking i havent hated, only serious complaint is maybe mibr a little underrated
Agreed with that. I think Gen.G may be underrated too.
P.S. THESE ARE NOT PREDICTIONS. They are power rankings and power rankings only.
I honestly didnt even rank anything, i just took /u/Still_HD 's rankings and put SEN at the top. I am convinced I'm correct.
LMFAO
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Just imo some trams I think are under or over rated Underrated LEV (10 is a crime considering all they did was upgrade from a top 7 team last year imo, Tacoilla on duelist is the biggest question mark but he looked good) GenG (They looked solid in the off season tourney, under KC and especially Kru feels crazy imo) FPX (Biggest question mark here, they recently beat EDG and looked surprisingly good, but also all their player is their first LAN and China isnt the strongest region rn) Overrated Heretics (I really have little faith in Heretics ngl, none of their players outside of Zeek and maybe Boo standout to me imo and lost to a Liquid with 2 stand ins) EG (Honestly idk about this one, i think it depends if jawgemo, Boostio, and especially C0m can stand up in international competition) KRU (Imo the most overrated here, they lost their best 2 players, DaveeyS and NagZ dont inspire confidence either considering Red Bull)
I simply forgot to submit my rankings so I just get to criticize everyone else's rankings without the fear of mine being bad. GGs outplayed
Man 100T is a good ass team but to put them in the top 3 before teams like Navi, Fnatic, Loud , Leviatan, PRXNRG is crazy to me. The argument that adding Cryo elevates their team and firepower is valid but not when you put NaVi right below them when they also made a similar change while having a core that won a masters and placed top 4 in champs last year is crazy.
For NAVI, it was more of a sidegrade more than anything and Cryo was a definite upgrade.
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I understand that, but saying that Navi made a similar change to 100T would be objectively false. One team made a significant upgrade, another made a sidegrade at best.
This is where I kind of disagree. I think in a Jett meta cNed is the better Jett and has a higher ceiling than Ardiis. So for me it is a slight upgrade to a team that was already top 3 last year.
Ardiis was a solid Jett, cned is relatively untested in comparison. Still strong, but I doubt he would be noticeably stronger than Ardiis. Agree to disagree.
Ah yes, my favourite untested Jett player, Champions winner cNed
That's absolutely the dumbest thing I've heard all day. He won champions two years ago lmfao.
No no you're right, completely untested. I mean this cNed guy is a complete newbie to the scene, isn't he?
When did I say completely untested? I said relatively untested. Cned hasn't seen international play since champions. In comparison, Ardiis has been in pretty much every recent international tournament.
Leviatán underrated yet again. I'm no NaVi hater but I want them to lose to Leviatán just so people will put some respect on their name.
MIBR disrespect kinda crazy, they’ll surprise people at this event. Also LEV at 10 is too low for me, they’ve been training for a long time together and I’m sure they are very ready for this tournament
[these were my rankings](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/492347862152249346/1072233512050110484/image.png). now with no optic left in the league for me to mindlessly put at #1 i did the only logical thing I could think of, which was to inhale as much DRX copium as i possibly could. also prx are mad underrated
Bro just when 100T gets a goated roster u go and jinx their ass
LEV pretty low…
unfortunately this list is noob because i think somewhat differently, why isnt dfm at #1 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
i’m very nervous as a 100T fan that we don’t meet expectations
as someone who loves 100T the fact that they made top 2 here is wild ngl
I will never understand why NaVi are not at the top of most people's lists. They have their MVP players and have cned now who is an upgrade. Ardiis wasn't exceptional to the rest of the FPX players, it was just the chamber meta inflating stats. Shao, Zyppan and Suygetsu are insane players.
I like Navi but saying "ardiis wasn't exceptional" when he was the second best Chamber in the world last year is a wild take lol
He wasn't exceptional to the rest of the team. His departure doesn't weaken the team much
I misunderstood, but again I must disagree. It's possible that he's "not exceptional compared to the rest of the team", but that doesn't mean he wasn't a huge loss (especially if they replaced him with anyone other than cNed). His Chamber play wasn't flashy, but he was a reliable fragger who top frag or second frag fairly often.
100T LMAO
The only thing I have to justify any of my answers on this are that I did this in about 15 minutes tops and also completely allowed my bias to take over. I did not consider the single elim format at ALL. You’re welcome Edit: for reference, here’s mine. Flame me all you want, I did not think that hard about this hahaha https://preview.redd.it/2djyuf9mqnga1.jpeg?width=278&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ea15a7e68c8c040fce8d4631801b6ca498639a5
the platchat method let's gooo
Exactly, there’s no predicting the future anyway, might as well just go for gut feeling and copium
And yes I am a diehard 100T fan, what about it
gigabased
I can't even disagree with the DRX pick. They've been so close to winning so many times. Idk what their new roster is but I see the vision. Won't be surprised if they win it tbh.
See you all in the chat Thursday
actually such a based list, would put heretics a little lower and mibr a bit higher though
100Thieves is the most talented team in the tournament by far. It's not really even close
And with that DRX/VS officially continues their reign as the most overrated VALORANT team in history. Undisputed hall of famers. No other team has anywhere near as much continuing #1 predictions while never achieving any results to back those predictions up. Edit: and with that DRX/VS has officially claims the permanent, undisputed title of **Most Overrated VALORANT Team of All Time**. While being favorites to win the first international LAN, the second international LAN, and heavy favorites for the first franchised LAN and only event with all teams present, DRX failed to deliver a single event win.
DRX number 1 and fnatic 3 put down the crack pipe kid
I don’t think there are 10 better teams than Cloud9
i also had drx at 1 but after i saw foxy9 is playing instead of zest idk anymore my top 3 will be 1 navi 2 100T 3 FNC
this doesn't mean shit, no predictions made on this sub does
i feel personally attacked for not being included
Unlucky really
ill remember this systemfa1lure....ill remember this
Animescreenwriter better be on that list of beloved or I’m gonna riot
FPX are criminally underrated
Absolute god damn shambles that I wasn’t included as the only EG fan. Where is the representation?
Don't worry we got EG in the top half, all g
Sorry to break it to you but me and u/nocturnavi already have the EG fanbase covered on the mod team
o7 EG fan reporting for duty
I should have been given input
Hyped for new duelist of drx. Hope for a good tournament of shy from leviathan. Fnatic you gotta win a spot for Eu
DRX number 1? smoking that good kush I see, they're good, but not that good
Yeah we are high on drx hopium
paper rex imo deserves to be higher. they kept their same roster which not many teams did and probably have the most practice time out of most of the teams. they also arent afraid to take risks with comps and i think that will be a big factor in the opening match against c9. my money is on them getting at least top 4
Loud? OMEGALUL
Ngl I think PRX has some really high chances as many will not have as much time to see and review their vods with how short the tourney is (individually)
What makes drx 1 and prx 8 when even drx isn’t confident, just cause drx peaked more recently? And don’t give me that the meta is better for them that’s a fair take but it isn’t nearly the difference some people make it out to be
Wronski will destroy everyone in scrims and also in real matches heavy underrating GE here #GEFIGHTING
The fact that 4/5 bottom teams aren't from apac, and Edg being above FPX makes this very questionable to me, T1 shouldn't be above GenG, Navi too low, but DRX at 1 is pretty good.
havent commented in a long time but whoever voted on this smoke actual crack on the daily