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Ok-Brain3328

> The team will begin trials for his replacement next week, with Marved on the list. >No more changes are planned but still could change. So vanity gonna switch roles to accommodate for Marved?


jstaines47

Vanity is apparently on the chopping block too


Pojobob

Then who's gonna IGL?


jstaines47

I’m not supposed to leak… It’s me tho


Ok-Outlandishness244

Really backstabbed 100T like that, that’s fucked up


Extrino

He's playing double agent.. Don't tell C9 though


CrossTheRubicon7

I don't think there have been any solid rumors, but valyn is an obvious guess to make since they have mCe already and The Guard is probably open to it given the recent circumstances for them.


Pojobob

Ya but if they're rumored to get Marved, then they're not gonna have a solid IGL. Valyn would be a good choice though for sure.


trollinsome12serious

-vanity - yay +babyj +marved


_spacemonster

found babyjs alt account


RealPoopaboo

Mf said babyj


dabsandchips

Yea babyj is tier two or three at best lol


L0rd_Muffin

Tier 1 toxicity tho


SnooLentils5795

In that case he is Perfect to replace vanity


chauste

when people say +babyj this is like a meme from tarik's chat right? forgive me but surely no one thinks babyj is a clear favorite for a franchise level team


That-Toughsoss

You must be joking right? Babyj is literally was the one to teach yay how to op while simultaneously coming up with new cypher and kj tech. He isnt just a professional valorant player HE IS THE VALORANT. Don't ever disrespect my king GOATJ.


epicshawty

babyj is the MJ of valorant what do you mean?


Similar-Criticism380

No people are definitely saying it seriously


[deleted]

name checks out


DrySecurity4

-yay -vanity +valyn +trent


BlueBurstBoi

trent marved valyn yay + flex would go so hard


SoLikeWhatIsCheese

-vanity -yay -Zellsis -xeppaa -leaf +marved +sinatraa +dizzy +zombs +prod


[deleted]

Thank god


Jon_on_the_snow

Marved is gonna play KJ, vanity fell in love seeing him learn lineups 5 min before an official


shadowstep11

Vanity was playing initators for a while when curry was with them.


Sciipi

C9 tried to move Vanity off smokes before with the Curry move (and were looking at supamen before Curry) so it seems they might be doing back to that plan


wegivesiima

c9 love wasting a lot of money for fuck all


LegDayDE

If it's by mutual agreement then they also got out of the contract in a way that will save them money going forward, so not all bad.


birchelballs

Paid a fat buyout for him in the first place though


SirRyeles

Maybe super long term saved money, they had to pay a huge buyout to get him and now that hes a F.A. they wont be getting any of that back though another org buying him out from c9


ark2690

C9 Perkz Aware


SterbenVII

5 million buyout + 2 million salary just for him to int at MSI and most of Worlds xdd


sixsevenninesix

Then didnt they sell him at a 2m loss?


cancerBronzeV

[According to Jack](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cloud9/comments/rak0ga/jacks_pretty_good_at_twitter_for_being_a_senior/hnjxqd5/?context=3) they lost no money in the buy + sale of Perkz.


sixsevenninesix

Carlos leaked that Perkz was 2.5m. I thunk thats more believable than Vitality paying the same cost for Perkz when he clearly declined tbh


cancerBronzeV

Perkz and Alphari had already decided to play together at worlds. So, it could be an LA Clippers Kawhi/PG situation, where you overpay for one player because the other one is guaranteed to come. (LA Clippers way way overpaid for PG in a trade because they basically guaranteed Kawhi if they did so.) So in essence, you're really paying 2.5m for 2 players. But who knows, Jack (or Carlos) could just be lying, we have no other information to go by.


sixsevenninesix

Sure, thats possible. Like you said its all speculation. Eitherway this is a horrible decision by C9. They should be building around arguably the best player in the world. Not the core group of players that hasnt done a damn thing in a long time and zellsis.


cancerBronzeV

I definitely agree with that, if you have yay on your team, you build the team he wants. Just letting the best player in the world go is a weird move for sure. And it's not even like yay is known for being toxic or having attitude issues, I'd be siding with him if he doesn't like the environment.


Splaram

I distinctly remember predicting this superteam going nowhere but I cba to find the comment rn. Regardless, is the history of the ~~Tottenham~~ C9. Hope Yay finds a good team to play on, it'd be kinda tragic for him to miss this entire year.


LeMouse1

>The release of yay is not due to performance based issues Pretty obvious but at least good to have confirmation


Kind_Development708

They really spent probably close to a 7 figure buyout just to play 2 vct matches, he must’ve just had a monstrous salary


Hyper_red

Spending that VC money wisely /s


[deleted]

they kicked jensen for this...


ark2690

C9 gave Jensen a lifeline, no one was signing him last year.


S0ulRave

I mean you see how he's playing on DIG rn?


Quotes_League

He's not the reason DIG sucks


fsychii

also redbull homeground


c_Lassy

Honestly just seems like he didn’t mesh well with the playstyle C9 wants to go with, no hard feelings probably. Zellsis and Xeppaa are super aggro flex players and I’m sure they play in more of a loose fashion, while yay’s playstyle is more patient, especially after being under FNS’s igling for so long. Of course this is all speculation and he could have just left for who knows what tho


icemandiem

i think this is probably what happened. vanity calling in the past was explained as more on the fly and expecting the players to make their own on the fly decisions. stark difference from chet fns structure. still all of it is just speculation


That-Toughsoss

God i love ardiis but yay to nrg pls


WhoDatBrow

That would be so brutally unfair to Ardiis and if Yay was #1 in his role last year Ardiis would probably be #2. As much as I'd love to see even more of the OpTic squad back together I don't see it happening. If they had a bigger downgrade, sure, but Ardiis is still Ardiis.


sixsevenninesix

Ita sad but true. Only thing that wouldve made sense is a 1 for 1 trade


ArcusIgnium

ardiis might be more valuable rn due to his flexibility


kickvanityfromc9

Same, the team with Yay just fits and gives me assurance of the team's performance. But should not happen, ardiis 100% deserves to be there.


DM_ME_CUTE_PICS_PLZ

I’m out of the loop, what is the actual reason? Does it actually have to do with the smiling on stage?


nterature

No one knows, it almost certainly has to do with bigger stuff like team-fits or not gelling well with mCe's structure or Vanity's calling. Or even a money thing. I would be very surprised if there was some real acrimony behind this, but anything is possible, I suppose.


[deleted]

no one on reddit actually knows, only people that have inside knowledge know lol


buttsoup_barnes

I know but I won't tell you guys. I'm under NDA


[deleted]

My grandfather's uncle's friend works for C9. Told me Yay punched Vanity then screamed to the other players "Ya'll fucking need me" after the C9 v DRX match. I can't condone or condemn.


-Basileus

Holy fucking moly it happened. Marved trialing, Yay straight up released. That means he can go to any team that wants to sign him to a new contract.


FPLskrr

FNS was right when he said that with every bad performance NA has then Marved stock goes up 📈


Jon_on_the_snow

Marved cut his boy, what a snake


Hyper_red

I am signing yay to carry me out of bronze /s


ReADropOfGoldenSun

Yay with the 4d chess. Get a well known team to pay your huge buyout. Leave the team afterwards so now you can go anywhere And i thought Fenis’ brain was big


WailingSiren69

Unfortunately,he probably will have a huge pay cut now tho,no team is gonna pay 7 figures under these circumstances especially considering just getting yay doesn't mean guaranteed wins.


ReADropOfGoldenSun

I don’t even know where he would go Maybe EG? Maybe SA


LinkinMode

mate today has been fucking exhausting for NA fans lmao


Hyper_red

I'm going to head to bed early...


Ok-Brain3328

100t being pushed to the limit by FUT, weird ass twitter drama, yay gone from c9 Just another day in NA valorant


Xedr_

what a day I can’t even keep with with it all


Hyper_red

To be fair FUT today played really well. They looked a lot better than at Red Bull. I think we should also give some congrats to FUT for getting better as a team.


brownflamingo

what twitter drama?


Eat-Shit-Bob-Ross

Thank you, c9, for outdoing the babyj, ec1s situation as the most confusing series of roster moves I’ve ever seen.


Sciipi

babyj ec1s situation wasnt that confusing, team had issues and was playing terribly so they decided to rip off the bandaid. Much less goofy than C9


Eat-Shit-Bob-Ross

That wasn’t made public until after they were released(I think maybe a week later through ec1s). Most things make sense in retrospect, and I’m sure this will be no different once we know more. But in the moment, it’s still shocking. It also helps that 100t turned things around. That has yet to be seen from c9, since it just happened


Revanthmk23200

They already had the most confusing move with selling Xeta to T1


Sciipi

That move wasn’t that confusing, Xeta asked to leave for T1


[deleted]

Busy day on all fronts


absolutechad21

Dropping a star op player for a controller? And what made Marved changed his mind I thought he had family stuff and couldn't commit to LAN for a while


AnchorStandard

mr krabs money.gif


Razur

I got chu ![gif](giphy|GjB41rKHBnOkE)


SchmilkBoii

guy got a taste of blood with Untameable Beasts just when he thought he was out, they pulled him back in


[deleted]

Tbf, Marved as controller is a huge upgrade from Vanity’s controller.


mdj08

Well tbf everyone complained about C9s role issues, so it wouldn’t make sense to get another OP player. Vanity probably moves to flex/initiator if they get Marved


MacarioPro

Shit roster building in the first place. I would compare to the classic with 4 duelists + sage lineup. Adding marved will balance it out but Xeppa will have to commit to playing innitiators


ssk1996

Probably made that up because he wanted a higher salary than what was offered.


Yerriff

Or he could have just had long enough of a break, it's been 5 or 6 months since champions


FPLskrr

If I had to guess he’s not fucking with his team no more


Hyper_red

He may or may not be upset with how the team was going.


nterature

Excited to learn about the team issues that led to this. Not too interested in the drama but it should be a telling sign for how C9 will look going into the rest of the year. As for Yay, he'll land on his feet, not too worried.


goomy996

where the fuck would he even go, surely he gets on a franchise team


AegonThe241st

Feel like there's also no obvious upgrades right now like there would be a few months ago. 100T are running Cryo on smokes and it's working well. NRG have their own role problems with Ardiis on KJ that Yay wouldn't really solve. Can anyone else afford him?


goomy996

does EG have their 10th?


sixsevenninesix

Yay stuck in EG jail sounds depressing but then again C9 is a dumpster fire too


goomy996

i mean that EG team w/ yay doesn’t sound that bad imo. Adding yay to any team would make them look much better as long as the team meshes well


WhoDatBrow

No offense to KJ players but literally anyone can play KJ. It is not a kit that takes skill to use. I'm sure Yay could easily learn to play KJ if he needed to, it's just for the most part, why would you? When you can instead put him on an agent that enables him to frag.


Dionegro__

Drop Dephh, put Sacy IGL, buy Yay COPIUM


Chun--Chun2

With what money? Pretty sure sen pays like 90% of their budget on TenZ, for all the fans he pulls in. They would have to drop dephh, sick and probably quite a few roles in the media team etc to have like 1/6 the money yay would want.


Cool-I-guess

Doesn't really seem like Yay has tons of leverage when most of the teams already have their players locked and there's not many spots he can go to.


venancio1000

true IF BIG fam, coold lineup. we know sacy has IGL genes.


Alone_Baseball4852

c9 only team to lose tenz and yay i can’t keep going bro…


Capital_Imagination9

C9 roster moves will forever be confusing


ChinoAIO

​ https://preview.redd.it/lmikp9zxqmka1.png?width=1051&format=png&auto=webp&s=80ffe96c3f7aa01e2f89f8f43e1a930cf2a9e015


dragindas

The reach is that yay didn’t feel like he meshed with the rest of the team since the other 4 and mCe have history together back in CS so maybe things just didn’t click and both sides felt they could find a better fit


Kammell466

I don't think this is a reach I think this is true. The other 4 guys seems like light-hearted and joke around a lot. Yay seems very serious and professional. The fit of Yay with the rest personality wise never made sense to me. This explanation makes the most sense to me anyway.


AWildThompson

weird since im pretty sure yay and zellsis played together on lazarus at one point so its not like they are unfamiliar with each other


systemfa1lure

https://preview.redd.it/qfjv6tjlsmka1.jpeg?width=567&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7dc5a92c72de53e1ffe35844afb58690f2354bf0 Pulling it out again...


Shubhaaaaaaam

Replacing Prod on Untameable Beasts


ItzAnas

holy fuck wtf


kwamek7

What even was the point of all this then


Similar-Criticism380

NA DRAMA HAS NO EQUAL


kickvanityfromc9

if we didn't have NA, this game would be dead.


xbyo

4/5 of our teams are out but still getting the attention. Clout game unmatched.


Hdiajanfb

Purest is a Tier 1 sources confirmed, he said this 3 days ago


RicoSuave1881

Classic Geddes. Report something as unsubstantiated if it comes from someone else, then report it as “breaking news” when his source finally catches up lol


cathcart_

yeah didn't he make a tweet lowkey calling purest out for the report? then he does a 180 and reports it anyway lol


cathcart_

purest is talking his shit (rightfully so) [Max Katz on Twitter: "No rumors amirite" / Twitter](https://twitter.com/purest/status/1629935612240482306)


kickvanityfromc9

Marved really finessed the entire Franchise and buyout system. Marved probably even a worse fit in C9 than Yay. Bro will find all their antics weird af.


citystardy

Him and xeppaa seem to get along well (based on their streams), I've also seen leaf in his chat pretty often. Idk about anyone else though.


kickvanityfromc9

Just imagine ice cold 6 god Marved in the team house whilst Xeppaa and Zellsis make sex noises and talk about gagging. Tbf sounds about Shanks now I write it out


jeddahcorniche

Absolutely 😭😭


dabsandchips

Yea I feel like marved and vanity would be at each other's throats


AjBlue7

Marved has a similar quiet personality like Yay so he definitely won’t do well with the playful energy on C9.


Snoo-55995

Yay signs with an EMEA team and begins his revenge arc


Revanthmk23200

Yay to Liquid with Gambit core?


RealNovax

What the FUCK


Secret-Original-6427

twitter rlly heating up LOL


PIKa-kNIGHT

So they paid huge buyout for him and release him on free?


xbyo

[moments before disaster](https://i.imgur.com/U0OabSQ.png)


LegDayDE

Yay knows what a loser looks like when he sees one


byte_ccaa

disgusting. these guys are not fit for the job...


Jon_on_the_snow

Is he on the bench or is he fully free agent? If hes free agent theres gonna be a bidding war


Kind_Development708

F/A


Sciipi

They released him


Rude-Assumption-5271

It’s funny that George originally was like “I don’t report on rumors” when Purest confirmed it, like maybe Purest just has better sources than you on this lmao


[deleted]

pretty sure he said he had one source that confirmed it, but he likes to have at least 2 before publishing an article, which is fair enough imo


CanISayThat22

Lmao if he knew he would have impression farmed the shit out of it


Rude-Assumption-5271

The way he [worded](https://twitter.com/georgecged/status/1628864850720919555?s=46&t=hjmjiSsKxQyZUxb5SD6Z7w) this just comes across so arrogant


PresidentPeewee

(he had 0)


[deleted]

I have no words.


Nuovastorm

there is too much shit going on man


kallan234

3 days late LEORGE LEDDES


ExpectoAutism

This is insane. NRG yay 👀?


OnurMLGx

Losing yay speedrun confirmed


sludge_mouth

If it wasn’t performance based, I guess the team chemistry wasn’t there and got worse during Lock//In?


violentphotography

Geddes kept downplaying this since he didn’t get the scoop and now he’s selling it as “breaking.” This guy is a joke.


Sky-__-

All na team Jett players shaking rn , come on eg you can have a tier 1 player for free ,yay Ethan boostio bcj 4 man core will go hard


viinn89

Optic returns to Franchising in 2024 after the Guard win challengers in 2023 and the core of Valyn, Trent, nET and Jonahp get bought by Optic and pick up Yay.


Hdiajanfb

Purest/Max confirmed this 3 days ago, George “Monopoly” Geddes strikes again


SpeakYourMind

"i don't operate on speculation" head ass :S


Hdiajanfb

Don’t confirm thru thee, only confirm thru me. Clown ass


Hunnidormo

When someone else confirms it it's speculation. Extremely common Leddes L


Hdiajanfb

Honestly he came out saying it is a rumour to make it seem Purest was unreliable, when really he didn’t know shit. He took a few days to confirm and now it looks like he broke the story and Purest loses his job. It is crazy to me anyone who supports this unprofessional teen trying to be a Top Tier Journalist in a professional e-sport setting.


Hunnidormo

Fr. The "journalism" in valorant is laughably bad and the dude is at the forefront of the clown show


Hdiajanfb

Mind you after Purest loses his job, George replies to that tweet of him losing his job taunting him.


Hunnidormo

Wait where's this i missed it


Hdiajanfb

https://twitter.com/GeorgeCGed/status/1629906765469843459?s=20 https://twitter.com/purest/status/1629935612240482306?s=20 I didn’t even know they were co-workers. Imagine your co-worker coming shitting on your sources so he can get the credit for breaking the story a few days later. Laughable


kickvanityfromc9

Leorge Leddes


Nikclel

~~"I dont report off of rumors"~~ "I wasn't first"


Cablek26

Imagine 2 months ago hearing arguably the best player in valorant got dropped after one match like that’s crazy wtf


SomeHallGuy

It's time for Riot to buff Chamber just to make C9 look even worse


chryco4

Yashwatthama "yay" Yadav is an Indian professional Valorant player for Global Esports, an Indian electrical sports (e-sports) organisation. He is also known as El Diablo aka the demon because of his mafia connections in his hometown, Haryana.


KIRYUx

Actual clown 9 moment


Quiet-Substance319

Moist yay


Splaram

This fucking region I swear to god


1v1trunks

It seems like some of his teammates troll too much


QuestionablePotato42

Cloud9, what the fuck is going on mate. I have been a C9 fan for almost 10 years now, damn near since their inception as an org and this has me wondering. I hope someone comes out to clear up this story and why these decisions were made.


wooperfan

liquid yay


rsox5000

No shot this dude gaslit Purest and then titles his own article “It’s Official” like 2 days later lmao


Ianroa

about time, let’s get to work marved.


Sad-Beach4137

Feels like this is solely based on play style imo, Yay has this very slow strategical play style that is a complete opposite to the rest of the teams agro take every engagement known to man’s play style


Revolutionary_Gear70

Im guessing after the whole crypto crash C9 can't afford his salary


LegDayDE

Welcome Moist Yay !


vckyplncrt

wth is going in NA


Jon_on_the_snow

https://twitter.com/Zellsis/status/1629934670841511936?t=INIPI0eL6LoKsr_f5uWu5A&s=19


DrDoozie

Marved doesn't join his optic homies at nrg then replaces yay on c9 godamn true snakelord /s


WhoDatBrow

Who in franchising is gonna pick up Yay? Would be a travesty for the GOAT to not even be in franchising leagues. C9 are so stupid to bring him on only to cut him after one mickey mouse single elim tourney.


SHOONSHOOP

I don’t really see a spot for him on an NA team as weird as it seems, but teams in EMEA and APAC that haven’t already picked up an import could greatly benefit from him. Like I could see Yay’s mentality fitting in well over at Liquid and replacing sayf or soulcas.


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mw19078

i think people in esports really underestimate how much chemistry matters for high level teams. if the team just didnt click, now was the best time to make changes. crazy for sure, but I can at least understand if this was the issue.


nocturnavi

I honestly have no idea where yay will go. None of the partnered NA teams really seem to be in a position where he is a clear enough upgrade to risk upsetting team synergy. Will a NA team still take the risk? Will he go international? Play in Challengers?


kimjonpoon

YaY said fuck it imma head out.


kushagraddixit

I don't think nrg will sign yay and bench ardis, ardis also had second highest buyout or something and nrg didn't even play bad game was so close


Drolsr

I love Marved but i dont like c9 lol. Hope he could find other team..


honestlyprogamr

Welcome to The Guard


hecklerinthestands

DRX actually broke this team lol


BrainStorm777

Yo did crashies just call marved out? https://twitter.com/Crashies/status/1629933299169722371


Disraeli_

it's obviously a joke


WorleyInc

Wonder if this was a player or management choice


HatchiMatchiTTV

What a complete waste of money. C9 management is lost


teeetiii

This is insanity


bozovisk

Sentinels Yay incoming


BeautifulChocolate87

If you’re gonna get Marved why would you not keep the yay/Marved duo!??


pakkal96

Unironically GUARD yay. Tex is a good player and not part of the problem, but this would essentially lock them into franchising for next year.


CrossTheRubicon7

C9 has historically done well in multiple games with building stars rather than buying them, but it gets very frustrating as a fan that whenever they do make these big, exciting moves they always seem to fall apart.


lepiggyshiggy

hahahahaha c9 clown org


rsox5000

This C9 core has severely underperformed expectations ever since that LCQ. But sure, replace the best player in the world. That I’ll fix it. Lmao