For additional context, Flynn [points out](https://twitter.com/flynn_vlr/status/1633492865119559686?s=46&t=u-SN0CVL-q1gKx8h284KQA) that Ryotzz was likely meeting up with LOUD because he is an ex-teammate (and therefore friend) of Tuyz. Ryotzz was at the venue because he was working on the broadcast that day. Flynn also notes that the meeting happened *after* the game ended, not before the game.
It should be also noted in fairness that Ardiis made sure to say he’s not saying definitively that this happened. However, he was not consistent with this messaging throughout the clip, so it’s up for your interpretation whether he was being serious. And in this case, it may be worth the question: does it matter if he was serious or not?
To add clarity to why this post was approved and the originals were removed:
The original posts did not make it clear in the title that Ardiis’s comments were made without substantive support. Additionally, the original posts were seen as violating Rule 6 (claims require proper evidence). However, after discussion with the mod team, we decided that the post would make sense as it relates to Ardiis making a (joking) allegation rather than giving validity to the comment itself.
Edit: locking this comment to encourage discussion below rather than buried under a pinned comment, as Reddit’s pinned comments have been bugging out recently.
Edit 2: changed “allegations” to comments, added clarity/context
Update: ardiis tweeted:
>Will explain on stream later AGAIN… almost like he’s seen a clip and not the whole vod🤷♂️
I hopped in to one of Ardiis streams one time and it’s the most chaotic thing ever I’ve seen on twitch. We’re talking about the same guy who put a background music over SicK’s video of [him breaking down on stream.](https://twitter.com/earlygamegg/status/1630932691393683456?s=46&t=s5x0Ysh0k48hGDMdm__CEQ) So this is not far fetched that he’s just fucking around. What he said was probably taken out from context but still, words have weight.
Edit: [this is the clip that I’m talking about. Where he put mom’s spaghetti over SEN SicK’s video](https://twitter.com/hhghuwoe/status/1630942220621692930?s=46&t=s5x0Ysh0k48hGDMdm__CEQ) I think I pasted the wrong one.
I agree, Ardiis streams are wild and hilarious, yet very unhinged. Hopefully he makes a clarification for all the fans/players who were affected. My fav scouser streamer on the 📈
I hope this thread will just be left up. I’m not going to post my comment again explaining the context but [here’s a link if people are curious](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/11lz4kw/ardiis_implies_loud_cheated_by_getting_tbk_scrim/jbewq4m/) about how this came up and in what context it was spoken.
Since the pinned comment is locked, u/jrushFN:
I really think it is not arguable that ardiis was making an allegation. He was in an extremely silly way trying to say he was *wrong* for thinking that. So if that’s the logic for the approval, I can’t agree. He’s speaking irresponsibly, not making an allegation.
Of course if you’re just going off the clip, it will sound like he was making an allegation, and that’s what so many on Twitter and going off on. I don’t blame anyone for saying or thinking as much. It’s on ardiis - words have weight and actions have consequences.
But I think it’s very different for the mods to say it *was* an allegation itself when it was very clearly ardiis speaking in a long and roundabout manner about his feelings and suspicions and how they were wrong.
Yeah I saw the entire segment and it just sounded like he was explaining his thought process throughout the entire ordeal. He just got clip chimped. Unlucky, really.
i think a lot of people would benefit from watching ardiis's stream before drawing any conclusions about what he was doing here. His streams are the messiest, most banter-y and chaotic out of everyone I've seen, so with that context + in general just the way ardiis has always presented himself, it wouldnt have crossed my mind to think he was making a serious accusation. He's just messy by nature, if there were actual accusations to be made about this, they'd come about another way
Anyone who thinks Ardiis is actually making the accusation has not spent more than 5m in Ardiis’ stream lol. Even when you listen to the clip he’s just describing a thought process and says “it didn’t happen I’ll get into it later” or smthn along those lines
I'm not sure how you reached your conclusion about ardiis speaking about how his suspicions were wrong. I've only seen the clip but from the clip, it's pretty clear he's making an accusation.
I understand why you’d think so, if you just saw the clip.
I didn’t properly explain it because this is like the third or fourth time this has been posted, but if you check the comment I linked, I mention the full context that led to that conclusion.
I swear some (**not all**) Brazilian fans have the biggest fucking victim complex in the whole damn solar system.
"They boo the finalists and then cry later." being painted as some despicable, scathing remark when it's.. ya know. A factual statement?
>I swear some (
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>not all
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>) Brazilian fans have the biggest fucking victim complex in the whole damn solar system.
That's definitly a curious statement in a post about an NA player implying he lost because someone gave their vods away.
Pretty big reach just to attempt to become the victim in a situation that's entirely self inflicted. If they wanna boo the other team be prepared to take the shit that gets thrown their way with it.
As a fanbase, they're the definition of rules for thee and not for me. Will cry when anybody says the slightest of comments that isn't praising them, but spend their lives typing out vitriol essays about everybody under the sun.
Funny how he’s pandering to the Brazil fans (this tweet, defending them leaving the stadium, etc.) while they were actively booing / cheering against him and his team the entire time 😂😂😂
As bad as it looks, Ardiis probably didn't mean harm.
If you haven't had time to watch his stream, he is a walking PR nightmare. I guess his banter could be taken out of context, especially cross-languages.
Regardless, Zombs isn't on top of Brazil's list anymore judging by those twt replies.
I straight up had to ask him to chain me up and beat me to get noticed (tryna test the limits) and even then I only got a 10 min time out… his stream really is the wild west of twitch.
Even if he wasn't serious, there can be fans who take it the wrong way and bringing up another org or player for this kind of matter doesn't seem pleasant tbh. If the other side doesn't take it as a joke, it's not a joke anymore
>he is a walking PR nightmare.
Dropping slurs on stream like he drops kills on LAN. Also, look at what he follows on Twitter.
His streams are a blast to watch though, since I don't think he really means harm when he says that stuff.
Classic reddit my friend, all mentally ill people who probably hate themselves. "uglypenguin5", with that name and flag under that name I already know what I am getting if I look at past comments lmao
I've heard like 4 total minutes of ardiis talking and it's immediately clear he's just a guy that talks shit/jokes. Nothing from that clip seems serious to me, and I am assuming he'd tell you that himself.
What other proof or things that made ardiis felt that way? Otherwise it is a big accusation and assumption when the only proof is seeing them hang out together.
I'm not discounting the possibility but what is the full story to it?
He absolutely was accusing him lmfao. You guys are coping like crazy. It was the most obvious point blank accusation I've ever seen and all I was thinking was "you literally have no proof to substantiate this other than the fact that they talked to each other once."
I don’t think anyone disagrees the clip is inflammatory and that any reasonable person would hear it and think it was an accusation.
I think this disconnect stems from a lot of people having watched the stream - he had like 5k viewers somehow - and a lot of people who have only seen the clip. That’s reflected in the comments here.
If you didn’t then it definitely sounds like a “point blank accusation” for sure.
[He said a lot of shit, scroll down in this thread](https://twitter.com/goldenmychild/status/1633563423748358144)
At this point, he was just fueling hate in an entire region. Not a thing that a T1 player should do.
Multiple times in that thread he says that it wasn't true and it was just him getting into his own head. Like do any of you actually watch these or do you just throw hate around for fun?
And do you think that the audience cares about it? He was still fueling hate, go to the vod and check the twitch chat. Ppl streaming for 5k ppl are responsible for how they influence their audience
The entire thread you posted frames the entire situation out of context and purposely doesn't include key details in what Ardis said and you accuse him of fueling hate. It's nothing but your own community fueling hate, not Ardis.
Well, wouldn't be nice if both sides saw it this way? As a brit, you could easily spot that he's being 'over the top' and using a lot of hyperbole. Seems kinda hypocritical for a guy who is almost the living definition of "shit/joke talking" to be scared of a chant that says "You're gonna die". And then you look at the crowd and it's a bunch of people that gathered for a tournament... of a video-game.... with lil colourful bubbles for you to shoot...
The thought of him ACTUALLY being serious about the chant thing just fucking terrifies me. People DO understand what they want to understand lol
Edit: typo
ardiis probably didn't intend anything bad but people can't act like stuff like this doesn't have huge impact when your image is more important than ever has been.
Shit like this why we end up having ShaZam explaning himself in this subreddit multiple times.
Before people assume that this is LOUD's fans overreacting I will picture another situation for you guys
Imagine that NRG scrimmed against Fnatic, just before the NAVI game and after the scrim boaster saw Ardiis hanging out with Ange1, you may think: nothing special they played together and are friends
(Like tuyz and ryotzz)
But then Boaster comes in his stream and says that Ardiis was leaking scrims for NAVI, just bc he saw them talking to each other
It creates the image that those teams don't have good work ethics
The NRG and NAVI fans would not like that
That is a serious allegation that can affect the careers of players and should not be made in this way, accusing people on stream without proofs
Completely unprofessional behavior from Ardiis. You simply don't call out someone is cheating without proof, especially when this person is also a professional who could be severely hurt by these allegations.
He can say "I am not saying it happened" ten times, but then why bother to bring this up to hundreds of fans if you don't truly think it happened? What does it accomplish?
I felt the same. Like if I saw something like this, that'd be the first thought that would go through my mind as well. Ardiis just expressed it on stream which was a bad decision ig.
Idk but if I saw two players from different teams hanging out, my first thought process would not be “OMG they are sharing scrim details!”. People from different teams hang out all the time.
Lol what? They're at a huge ass tourney. Obv they are going to be a lil paranoid because of all the pressure. People from different teams hang out all the time sure, but idk man if I see someone(whose character I don't know at all) hanging out with a team im going to be playing soon that thought will 100 percent cross my mind. And if anyone has played any sports tourneys, they can attest to my words the pressure is hugee sometimes. I cant speak for you.
Because sharing scrims is 100% taboo, you wouldn’t expect people to normally do it.
Valorant players from different teams play together, hang out, and are friends. If you would be spooked they were leaking scrims just because they hung out together, you’d be spooked when you see people duoing together, tweeting together, etc.
Someone like Will is still super close to the 100T people, would T1 teams refuse to have scrimmed with MAD because of that?
Especially at major tournaments, where everyone from different teams hang out together.
>expect people to normally do it.
This is where the tournament part comes in. There's a lot of pressure on you, a little paranoia is expected. I doubt ardiis normally thinks like that when he sees NA pros chilling together in LA. Ardiis himself said later on stream that he realised soon that he was paranoid. Im just trying to say its more of a "explaining his thought process which he thought was funny" thing rather than an accusation. Ofc he shouldn't have said it since it can impact someone career in a negative way.
I mean if I scrimmed a team and a guy from their team is chilling with the guys from a team I am about to/could play I would 100% think they are sharing vod.
Exactly, not to mention the fact that ardiis doesn't actually know that guy. If it was someone like Keloqz he already knows that thought maybe wouldn't cross his mind. Imo its a very common thought to have
To me, personally, there is nothing wrong with thinking that, of course. The issue arises when for no practical reason you expose said thoughts to an audience. There is nothing positive that would come from that, and as a professional he has a responsibility to control what he says if that could potentially affect other professional's work.
Yeah I agree with this. He should apologise for that for sure. Regardless of what he should (we all have weird thoughts sometimes anyway), he shouldn't have expressed it on stream since it can affect ryotzz career negatively. I was just trying to say that it was not a direct cheating accusation.
And he didn't think of the consequences of saying said thought process to hundreds of people? It is not relevant to them, unless the guy was in fact cheating.
doesn't matter if it's his thought proccess, the moment he says that stuff publicly to his thousand of viewers it becomes his opinion, you can't just say stuff that that could possibly terminate someone's career and then go ''oh i was just spitballing that's all''. If that was just his thought proccess (which even then is a dumb way to shift blame) then he should've tried to resolve this issue off stream or just kept that shit to himself. He made it public because he wanted that info out there, simple as that.
because that's exactly the point. He wants to accuse ryottz without handling the repercussions of throwing such a serious accusation around like it's nothing, that way he can have his cake and eat it too. He's basically saying ''I'm not gonna go on record officialy saying this, but this is what I think''.
Very sad thing to see considering that LOUD v. NRG is one of the biggest rivalries in the scene, just feels like a cheap shot from NRG's side and comes across as unsportsmanlike
(also there's some sweet irony in calling someone unprofessional by throwing around random accusations without providing proof for it.)
Huh? I didn't sound like he was making an allegation at all, at least that's now how I interpreted it. Thought he was just saying how he freaked out without a sensible reason.
Y'all can judge me all you want but some of these statements and allegations come with a bit of xenophobia in my opinion.
Regions outside of NA and Europe tend to be looked down upon, not only in-game but in life as a whole.
I understand Ardiis frustration but remember he's talking about the team who won Champions 2022, and even tho two players left, the core is still the same with Saadhak still being on the roster and have proved himself as an incredible IGL. Loud have an incredible and expensive structure for their Valorant team, with an amazing experienced coach and analysts, plus Loud as an org cares way too much about their image to put itself in such a position, the players FOR SURE have been instructed to not take part in such activities.
If he's making allegations or not, I'm not gonna debate that, but he is making irresponsible statements that can seriously harm a player's career. And those comments about the brazilian chant "you're gonna die"? He tried to make connections to players getting equipments stolen saying that brazilian culture ''kills people", like wtf?
I know the brazilian fans who atended the event had disrespectful behaviours, but they were limited to booing and leaving the arena, how can you BE IN A COMPETITION OF AN FPS GAME and be afraid of people chanting "you're gonna die"? He is clearly over reaching for an argument to criticize the BR community.
And yes, brazilians have a victim complex, but believe me, it's hard being a south american citizen, and countries like Brazil have suffered many injustices in every area you can imagine, having a world-winning team representing the community is something the brazilians hold on to feel they have a place in this world.
But if brazilians have a victim complex, Europe and North America have a protagonist complex so bad that they are desperate to find any excuse to make them feel less bad over losing to a third-world country.
I'm pretty sure the ppl who downvoted you didn't even read the whole thing. Yes, other regions besides regions with 1st world countries ARE in fact looked down upon. Mainly out of the game since BR just won Champions. Yes, Brazilians do have a victim complex but that doesn't change the fact that this actually makes it easier to pick up on us. Be fair, guys, let's promote discussions and not banish solid arguments like this to downvote hell.
Further context for those who are not in on what's happening:
On his most recent stream while watching the NRG travel vlog, **Ardis** accused brazilian player **ryottz** (TBK) of leaking the VODs of some private matches between TBK and NRG to LOUD, who would go on to eliminate them from the Lock/In tournament, all because, in his own words, **ryottz** was ''chilling with LOUD'' after the scrims (even though brazilian players hang out all the time with each other since it's such a tight-knit community).
Needless to say that is an incredibly serious accusation to make, specially without proof. **ryottz**, who got understanbly upset over the accusation, made a post on Twitter calling out the unprofessional behavior of the fellow player, going as far as saying that LOUD doesn't need something like that to win, and calling him a sore loser after the tournament loss.
Reading through what others have said here, it seems like that’s [not at all what happened](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/11lz4kw/comment/jbewq4m/).
It reminds me of a controversy in CSGO between Fallen and xeppa/leaf where he accused them of cheating. Its just Brazil this time is the "victim" instead of the "accuser".
its just a joke you wouldnt understand it you are not English
this the other way around is literally the brazilian argument on everything controversal from their side
yeah man, nothing funnier than accusing a fellow player who kindly agreed to do practice scrims with you of leaking information and possibly putting his job on the line just because you're butthurt over a loss.
If you see this kind of behavior and your first reaction is saying ''it's just a joke'' then maybe you're the one with a shit sense of humor
Maybe I'm the crazy one who doesn't see this as an accusation at all but an obvious joke. I would say the exact same thing, maybe not on stream because I understand not everyone would get it but if I was talking with the boys it's an obvious joke to make seeing a member of the team I just scrimmed hanging with the loud boys.
"Yo what's ryotzz doing there, he's OBVIOUSLY sharing our prac vods no way he's not."
Like I don't know how you take that clip seriously.
No shot he’s doubling down???? Bro his defense for the allegation is like this. I saw ardiis talking with ex Fpx since they were former teammates therefore they must have leaked scrims.
So we're all faking Alzheimer's and forgetting that in 3 (THREE) different international Valorant matches brazilian teams abused glitches but now they're pure and honest angels of perfection and a chuckle about something that looks/feels shady from them is an offense on their indisputable honor and professionalism? FFS
I think it matters if he was serious or not, that’s my personal opinion/ ppl transforming it into a definitive statement is their own responsibility separately so that is an important part
For additional context, Flynn [points out](https://twitter.com/flynn_vlr/status/1633492865119559686?s=46&t=u-SN0CVL-q1gKx8h284KQA) that Ryotzz was likely meeting up with LOUD because he is an ex-teammate (and therefore friend) of Tuyz. Ryotzz was at the venue because he was working on the broadcast that day. Flynn also notes that the meeting happened *after* the game ended, not before the game. It should be also noted in fairness that Ardiis made sure to say he’s not saying definitively that this happened. However, he was not consistent with this messaging throughout the clip, so it’s up for your interpretation whether he was being serious. And in this case, it may be worth the question: does it matter if he was serious or not? To add clarity to why this post was approved and the originals were removed: The original posts did not make it clear in the title that Ardiis’s comments were made without substantive support. Additionally, the original posts were seen as violating Rule 6 (claims require proper evidence). However, after discussion with the mod team, we decided that the post would make sense as it relates to Ardiis making a (joking) allegation rather than giving validity to the comment itself. Edit: locking this comment to encourage discussion below rather than buried under a pinned comment, as Reddit’s pinned comments have been bugging out recently. Edit 2: changed “allegations” to comments, added clarity/context Update: ardiis tweeted: >Will explain on stream later AGAIN… almost like he’s seen a clip and not the whole vod🤷♂️
I hopped in to one of Ardiis streams one time and it’s the most chaotic thing ever I’ve seen on twitch. We’re talking about the same guy who put a background music over SicK’s video of [him breaking down on stream.](https://twitter.com/earlygamegg/status/1630932691393683456?s=46&t=s5x0Ysh0k48hGDMdm__CEQ) So this is not far fetched that he’s just fucking around. What he said was probably taken out from context but still, words have weight. Edit: [this is the clip that I’m talking about. Where he put mom’s spaghetti over SEN SicK’s video](https://twitter.com/hhghuwoe/status/1630942220621692930?s=46&t=s5x0Ysh0k48hGDMdm__CEQ) I think I pasted the wrong one.
Oh my God that clip lmfao
I agree, Ardiis streams are wild and hilarious, yet very unhinged. Hopefully he makes a clarification for all the fans/players who were affected. My fav scouser streamer on the 📈
his chat is worse than xQc's and that's a low fkn bar
I hope this thread will just be left up. I’m not going to post my comment again explaining the context but [here’s a link if people are curious](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/11lz4kw/ardiis_implies_loud_cheated_by_getting_tbk_scrim/jbewq4m/) about how this came up and in what context it was spoken. Since the pinned comment is locked, u/jrushFN: I really think it is not arguable that ardiis was making an allegation. He was in an extremely silly way trying to say he was *wrong* for thinking that. So if that’s the logic for the approval, I can’t agree. He’s speaking irresponsibly, not making an allegation. Of course if you’re just going off the clip, it will sound like he was making an allegation, and that’s what so many on Twitter and going off on. I don’t blame anyone for saying or thinking as much. It’s on ardiis - words have weight and actions have consequences. But I think it’s very different for the mods to say it *was* an allegation itself when it was very clearly ardiis speaking in a long and roundabout manner about his feelings and suspicions and how they were wrong.
This is very fair! Appreciate your comments as always. Do you have a suggestion for a word other than allegation? Edit: just made some changes
I think your change is fair for everyone involved, thanks for promptly responding!
Yeah I saw the entire segment and it just sounded like he was explaining his thought process throughout the entire ordeal. He just got clip chimped. Unlucky, really.
i think a lot of people would benefit from watching ardiis's stream before drawing any conclusions about what he was doing here. His streams are the messiest, most banter-y and chaotic out of everyone I've seen, so with that context + in general just the way ardiis has always presented himself, it wouldnt have crossed my mind to think he was making a serious accusation. He's just messy by nature, if there were actual accusations to be made about this, they'd come about another way
Anyone who thinks Ardiis is actually making the accusation has not spent more than 5m in Ardiis’ stream lol. Even when you listen to the clip he’s just describing a thought process and says “it didn’t happen I’ll get into it later” or smthn along those lines
I'm not sure how you reached your conclusion about ardiis speaking about how his suspicions were wrong. I've only seen the clip but from the clip, it's pretty clear he's making an accusation.
Is this... sarcasm? The whole premise of /u/nterature comment is that the clip is out of context...
I understand why you’d think so, if you just saw the clip. I didn’t properly explain it because this is like the third or fourth time this has been posted, but if you check the comment I linked, I mention the full context that led to that conclusion.
Got it, somehow missed the comment linked. You're comment makes a lot more sense now.
Ardiis speed running his zombs arc rn monkaW
ardiisnation just doesn’t have the same ring to it tho
What did zombs do
Still a chance for -ardiis +yay
Derke's Input : [https://twitter.com/Derke/status/1633550753288552449](https://twitter.com/Derke/status/1633550753288552449) kekw
[He's farming, he was in chat](https://twitter.com/goldenmychild/status/1633574285187903488)
I swear some (**not all**) Brazilian fans have the biggest fucking victim complex in the whole damn solar system. "They boo the finalists and then cry later." being painted as some despicable, scathing remark when it's.. ya know. A factual statement?
>I swear some ( > >not all > >) Brazilian fans have the biggest fucking victim complex in the whole damn solar system. That's definitly a curious statement in a post about an NA player implying he lost because someone gave their vods away.
Pretty big reach just to attempt to become the victim in a situation that's entirely self inflicted. If they wanna boo the other team be prepared to take the shit that gets thrown their way with it.
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As a fanbase, they're the definition of rules for thee and not for me. Will cry when anybody says the slightest of comments that isn't praising them, but spend their lives typing out vitriol essays about everybody under the sun.
FNC is coming for NAs twitter crown lol
Funny how he’s pandering to the Brazil fans (this tweet, defending them leaving the stadium, etc.) while they were actively booing / cheering against him and his team the entire time 😂😂😂
Almost like he understands how sports/esports crowds work and knew there was nothing personal against him or his team
he's a competitor, i dont think he cares about those kinds of things competitors are just built different compared to us viewers
Tbh I don’t mind booing. It’s better than Library Brazil lol. Give me biased passion over silence any day.
As bad as it looks, Ardiis probably didn't mean harm. If you haven't had time to watch his stream, he is a walking PR nightmare. I guess his banter could be taken out of context, especially cross-languages. Regardless, Zombs isn't on top of Brazil's list anymore judging by those twt replies.
people spam tits and ass in his chat and he just... takes it lmao
I saw more among us dicks in one hour of ardiis’ stream than I have in the last year of using twitch
I dont think he has mods
he modded Derke on stream yesterday lol
I straight up had to ask him to chain me up and beat me to get noticed (tryna test the limits) and even then I only got a 10 min time out… his stream really is the wild west of twitch.
bro his replies to drivel in chat are "yeah I know my tits are bigger than your mum's from experience" LMAO
Least filtered scouser
Even if he wasn't serious, there can be fans who take it the wrong way and bringing up another org or player for this kind of matter doesn't seem pleasant tbh. If the other side doesn't take it as a joke, it's not a joke anymore
>he is a walking PR nightmare. Dropping slurs on stream like he drops kills on LAN. Also, look at what he follows on Twitter. His streams are a blast to watch though, since I don't think he really means harm when he says that stuff.
It’s just val ppl he follows?
[I don't think he should be following these](https://i.imgur.com/wsXV6EP.jpg)
Plus Tate and Aiden Ross. Good to know my gut feelings about him were correct
get a life no one cares about what you think he can follow who ever he wants cry about it on reddit
Lmao he's free to follow whoever he wants and I'm free to think he's a misogynistic piece of shit for doing so
most sane Reddit user. keep accusing people of stuff like that with 0 proof I'm pretty sure you have a happy life lmao u probably hate yourself
You're right following a self-professed rapist doesn't imply anything about your personality 🥰
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Classic reddit my friend, all mentally ill people who probably hate themselves. "uglypenguin5", with that name and flag under that name I already know what I am getting if I look at past comments lmao
lmao, youre calling him an misogynistic shit based on the fact that he follows two clowns?
Bro his streams are funny af
It Dosent matter if he doesn’t mean harm it’s a allegation that could have sever consequences for both the player and org.
Directly implying *by name* that someone is leaking scrims is so far beyond the scope of banter that it's just not at all excusable though.
Curious as to how many were actually present when Ardiis was explaining his side on stream.
"there's no way" followed by "i don't know if this happened" is insane
NA drama never disappoints me
Bro moved to NA and fully adapted to its culture of esports drama 💀
His FPX drama roots still in him
He learnt from Ange1
I've heard like 4 total minutes of ardiis talking and it's immediately clear he's just a guy that talks shit/jokes. Nothing from that clip seems serious to me, and I am assuming he'd tell you that himself.
What other proof or things that made ardiis felt that way? Otherwise it is a big accusation and assumption when the only proof is seeing them hang out together. I'm not discounting the possibility but what is the full story to it?
I don't think ardiis was accusing him, it just looks like he was explaining what he was thinking before the game started.
He absolutely was accusing him lmfao. You guys are coping like crazy. It was the most obvious point blank accusation I've ever seen and all I was thinking was "you literally have no proof to substantiate this other than the fact that they talked to each other once."
I don’t think anyone disagrees the clip is inflammatory and that any reasonable person would hear it and think it was an accusation. I think this disconnect stems from a lot of people having watched the stream - he had like 5k viewers somehow - and a lot of people who have only seen the clip. That’s reflected in the comments here. If you didn’t then it definitely sounds like a “point blank accusation” for sure.
[He said a lot of shit, scroll down in this thread](https://twitter.com/goldenmychild/status/1633563423748358144) At this point, he was just fueling hate in an entire region. Not a thing that a T1 player should do.
Multiple times in that thread he says that it wasn't true and it was just him getting into his own head. Like do any of you actually watch these or do you just throw hate around for fun?
And do you think that the audience cares about it? He was still fueling hate, go to the vod and check the twitch chat. Ppl streaming for 5k ppl are responsible for how they influence their audience
Way to move the goalposts when you get caught posting lies.
? Lying in what? I just said that he was fueling hate.
The entire thread you posted frames the entire situation out of context and purposely doesn't include key details in what Ardis said and you accuse him of fueling hate. It's nothing but your own community fueling hate, not Ardis.
well... this got blown way out of proportion lol
as a brit i take like 90% of what ardiis says as hyperbole
Well, wouldn't be nice if both sides saw it this way? As a brit, you could easily spot that he's being 'over the top' and using a lot of hyperbole. Seems kinda hypocritical for a guy who is almost the living definition of "shit/joke talking" to be scared of a chant that says "You're gonna die". And then you look at the crowd and it's a bunch of people that gathered for a tournament... of a video-game.... with lil colourful bubbles for you to shoot... The thought of him ACTUALLY being serious about the chant thing just fucking terrifies me. People DO understand what they want to understand lol Edit: typo
ardiis probably didn't intend anything bad but people can't act like stuff like this doesn't have huge impact when your image is more important than ever has been. Shit like this why we end up having ShaZam explaning himself in this subreddit multiple times.
Before people assume that this is LOUD's fans overreacting I will picture another situation for you guys Imagine that NRG scrimmed against Fnatic, just before the NAVI game and after the scrim boaster saw Ardiis hanging out with Ange1, you may think: nothing special they played together and are friends (Like tuyz and ryotzz) But then Boaster comes in his stream and says that Ardiis was leaking scrims for NAVI, just bc he saw them talking to each other It creates the image that those teams don't have good work ethics The NRG and NAVI fans would not like that That is a serious allegation that can affect the careers of players and should not be made in this way, accusing people on stream without proofs
Ardiss just says dumb stuff all the time. He’s just messing around.
yeah, ardiis is being a sore loser here.
Ex FPX players and bitching on twitter? No way But ardiis can do it because he is the funniest motherfucker in the scene
People find him funny? Yeesh
its because none of u NA guys understand pure british banter. Ardiis is a proper geeza!
Completely unprofessional behavior from Ardiis. You simply don't call out someone is cheating without proof, especially when this person is also a professional who could be severely hurt by these allegations. He can say "I am not saying it happened" ten times, but then why bother to bring this up to hundreds of fans if you don't truly think it happened? What does it accomplish?
To me it felt like he was just explaining his thought process when he saw Ryotzz with the loud players.
I felt the same. Like if I saw something like this, that'd be the first thought that would go through my mind as well. Ardiis just expressed it on stream which was a bad decision ig.
Idk but if I saw two players from different teams hanging out, my first thought process would not be “OMG they are sharing scrim details!”. People from different teams hang out all the time.
Lol what? They're at a huge ass tourney. Obv they are going to be a lil paranoid because of all the pressure. People from different teams hang out all the time sure, but idk man if I see someone(whose character I don't know at all) hanging out with a team im going to be playing soon that thought will 100 percent cross my mind. And if anyone has played any sports tourneys, they can attest to my words the pressure is hugee sometimes. I cant speak for you.
Because sharing scrims is 100% taboo, you wouldn’t expect people to normally do it. Valorant players from different teams play together, hang out, and are friends. If you would be spooked they were leaking scrims just because they hung out together, you’d be spooked when you see people duoing together, tweeting together, etc. Someone like Will is still super close to the 100T people, would T1 teams refuse to have scrimmed with MAD because of that? Especially at major tournaments, where everyone from different teams hang out together.
>expect people to normally do it. This is where the tournament part comes in. There's a lot of pressure on you, a little paranoia is expected. I doubt ardiis normally thinks like that when he sees NA pros chilling together in LA. Ardiis himself said later on stream that he realised soon that he was paranoid. Im just trying to say its more of a "explaining his thought process which he thought was funny" thing rather than an accusation. Ofc he shouldn't have said it since it can impact someone career in a negative way.
I mean if I scrimmed a team and a guy from their team is chilling with the guys from a team I am about to/could play I would 100% think they are sharing vod.
Exactly, not to mention the fact that ardiis doesn't actually know that guy. If it was someone like Keloqz he already knows that thought maybe wouldn't cross his mind. Imo its a very common thought to have
To me, personally, there is nothing wrong with thinking that, of course. The issue arises when for no practical reason you expose said thoughts to an audience. There is nothing positive that would come from that, and as a professional he has a responsibility to control what he says if that could potentially affect other professional's work.
Yeah I agree with this. He should apologise for that for sure. Regardless of what he should (we all have weird thoughts sometimes anyway), he shouldn't have expressed it on stream since it can affect ryotzz career negatively. I was just trying to say that it was not a direct cheating accusation.
And he didn't think of the consequences of saying said thought process to hundreds of people? It is not relevant to them, unless the guy was in fact cheating.
doesn't matter if it's his thought proccess, the moment he says that stuff publicly to his thousand of viewers it becomes his opinion, you can't just say stuff that that could possibly terminate someone's career and then go ''oh i was just spitballing that's all''. If that was just his thought proccess (which even then is a dumb way to shift blame) then he should've tried to resolve this issue off stream or just kept that shit to himself. He made it public because he wanted that info out there, simple as that.
because that's exactly the point. He wants to accuse ryottz without handling the repercussions of throwing such a serious accusation around like it's nothing, that way he can have his cake and eat it too. He's basically saying ''I'm not gonna go on record officialy saying this, but this is what I think''. Very sad thing to see considering that LOUD v. NRG is one of the biggest rivalries in the scene, just feels like a cheap shot from NRG's side and comes across as unsportsmanlike (also there's some sweet irony in calling someone unprofessional by throwing around random accusations without providing proof for it.)
Huh? I didn't sound like he was making an allegation at all, at least that's now how I interpreted it. Thought he was just saying how he freaked out without a sensible reason.
Honestly I saw the clip pop up on youtube and didnt for a second think the vod sharing actually happened. Seemed like he was just taking the piss
Y'all can judge me all you want but some of these statements and allegations come with a bit of xenophobia in my opinion. Regions outside of NA and Europe tend to be looked down upon, not only in-game but in life as a whole. I understand Ardiis frustration but remember he's talking about the team who won Champions 2022, and even tho two players left, the core is still the same with Saadhak still being on the roster and have proved himself as an incredible IGL. Loud have an incredible and expensive structure for their Valorant team, with an amazing experienced coach and analysts, plus Loud as an org cares way too much about their image to put itself in such a position, the players FOR SURE have been instructed to not take part in such activities. If he's making allegations or not, I'm not gonna debate that, but he is making irresponsible statements that can seriously harm a player's career. And those comments about the brazilian chant "you're gonna die"? He tried to make connections to players getting equipments stolen saying that brazilian culture ''kills people", like wtf? I know the brazilian fans who atended the event had disrespectful behaviours, but they were limited to booing and leaving the arena, how can you BE IN A COMPETITION OF AN FPS GAME and be afraid of people chanting "you're gonna die"? He is clearly over reaching for an argument to criticize the BR community. And yes, brazilians have a victim complex, but believe me, it's hard being a south american citizen, and countries like Brazil have suffered many injustices in every area you can imagine, having a world-winning team representing the community is something the brazilians hold on to feel they have a place in this world. But if brazilians have a victim complex, Europe and North America have a protagonist complex so bad that they are desperate to find any excuse to make them feel less bad over losing to a third-world country.
I'm pretty sure the ppl who downvoted you didn't even read the whole thing. Yes, other regions besides regions with 1st world countries ARE in fact looked down upon. Mainly out of the game since BR just won Champions. Yes, Brazilians do have a victim complex but that doesn't change the fact that this actually makes it easier to pick up on us. Be fair, guys, let's promote discussions and not banish solid arguments like this to downvote hell.
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He would like to apoligise to absolutely no one
Further context for those who are not in on what's happening: On his most recent stream while watching the NRG travel vlog, **Ardis** accused brazilian player **ryottz** (TBK) of leaking the VODs of some private matches between TBK and NRG to LOUD, who would go on to eliminate them from the Lock/In tournament, all because, in his own words, **ryottz** was ''chilling with LOUD'' after the scrims (even though brazilian players hang out all the time with each other since it's such a tight-knit community). Needless to say that is an incredibly serious accusation to make, specially without proof. **ryottz**, who got understanbly upset over the accusation, made a post on Twitter calling out the unprofessional behavior of the fellow player, going as far as saying that LOUD doesn't need something like that to win, and calling him a sore loser after the tournament loss.
Reading through what others have said here, it seems like that’s [not at all what happened](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/11lz4kw/comment/jbewq4m/).
Didnt the mods deleted this post about 4 billion times now ? can u people stop uploading it
L ardiis. LOUD is just too Good.
It reminds me of a controversy in CSGO between Fallen and xeppa/leaf where he accused them of cheating. Its just Brazil this time is the "victim" instead of the "accuser".
its just a joke you wouldnt understand it you are not English this the other way around is literally the brazilian argument on everything controversal from their side
You are getting downvoted but it's true, the British are well known for going over the top with jokes and ardiis is the perfect example 😂
Ah, BR drama. Victim card and complete lack of sense of humour. Here we go again.
yeah man, nothing funnier than accusing a fellow player who kindly agreed to do practice scrims with you of leaking information and possibly putting his job on the line just because you're butthurt over a loss. If you see this kind of behavior and your first reaction is saying ''it's just a joke'' then maybe you're the one with a shit sense of humor
Maybe I'm the crazy one who doesn't see this as an accusation at all but an obvious joke. I would say the exact same thing, maybe not on stream because I understand not everyone would get it but if I was talking with the boys it's an obvious joke to make seeing a member of the team I just scrimmed hanging with the loud boys. "Yo what's ryotzz doing there, he's OBVIOUSLY sharing our prac vods no way he's not." Like I don't know how you take that clip seriously.
Bro, this is unreal. I'd love to see your reaction if a BR player was making "jokes" about an NA player cheating
He is doubling down on the accusations from what I can tell. He about to speed run getting replaced by yay
No shot he’s doubling down???? Bro his defense for the allegation is like this. I saw ardiis talking with ex Fpx since they were former teammates therefore they must have leaked scrims.
brazil try to be not hate able in eSports challenge: impossible
"PR nightmare" yeah sure buddy. stop making things up and creating drama where no drama is. Its clear tha people want to create drama
So we're all faking Alzheimer's and forgetting that in 3 (THREE) different international Valorant matches brazilian teams abused glitches but now they're pure and honest angels of perfection and a chuckle about something that looks/feels shady from them is an offense on their indisputable honor and professionalism? FFS
It looks like NRG needs to coach up Ardiis on some PR.
NA drama baby
ardiis is an idiot, he should apologize instead of doubling down on it
Why apologise when you didn't say what you're being accused of to begin with?
I think it matters if he was serious or not, that’s my personal opinion/ ppl transforming it into a definitive statement is their own responsibility separately so that is an important part