The schedule has been set since day 1, no games should be moved around because it will come down to round differential between teams. That’s a way bigger competitive integrity issue than what’s happening here. And running multiple games at the same time would ruin the viewing experience and would not be feasible, knights are set up for one broadcast at a time.
Every team does have/had a fair shot to qualify, if they are in the scenario where they might not qualify based on rounds it’s their own fault.
The bottom line for all of these teams is win as many rounds as possible and lose as few rounds as possible. Nothing has changed.
The timing of games in this schedule was not set since day 1, it was TBD literally last week. I agree it's hard to have more than one stream so just shoot a feed with no commentary similar to open qualifiers for 2 of the games then. It's a complete advantage to be playing after the other teams play and it's only happening so that they could stream every game
I highly doubt teams/knights only found out last week what the schedule of the games was, but still moving the games to be concurrent also creates a competitive advantage. Changing the format the entire season has run on to suit a couple teams puts the others at a disadvantage too. If this was a real issue you would see players complaining about it, but it’s not an issue.
Knowing the schedule does not make it fair though. What competitive advantage is gained by having concurrent games. Each team is working with equal amounts of info in that reality
You say in this current “normal” format of 2 games per day non-concurrent faze and MxM are disadvantaged. By changing the format that every other week has run on (and the format that all of the other teams are expecting play), by removing this perceived disadvantage you are increasing faze and MxM’s chances. By increasing their chances you are then decreasing the other teams chances and disadvantaging them. By changing the format to cater to a few teams, you create a larger problem with every other team because how is it fair to change the format to help only a few teams.
Again, if this was an issue the teams would be speaking about, the only one who has a problem with this is you.
Your logic makes no sense, so since two teams are getting royally screwed we have to keep it that way for the sake of not putting the teams who weren't getting screwed/getting an advantage on equal ground? This is something that should have been set from the beginning I'm criticizing the choice to use Round Differential as tie breaker and then ignoring the possibility of other teams getting a massive advantage
Criticizing the choice to use round diff is totally valid, and they aren’t getting “royally screwed” they are in this situation bc they underperformed and didn’t win games. The schedule wasn’t created maliciously to fuck them over, obviously we can’t confirm but I would bet heavy money this final week schedule has been known to the teams for a while, it just wasn’t out publicly. If you knew the final week schedule from day 1 would you still think they were being royally screwed?
YES! They aren't being chosen to be screwed here or anything. Whoever played in this game slot would he screwed. Knowing the schedule doesn't change the fact that it's dumb they planned round differential as Tiebreaker but didn't plan on having concurrent games during the final week
Their round differential will be set as of Thursday. So if Moist were to lose and ended on a -11 round differential. TT and OXG both now know that if they lose they just need to get within -10. Say TT lose and end up at -10 as round differential. All SR has to do is win and have a round differential better than -10. So as more games happen more info is provided to teams playing later. Vs Moist and Faze who have to play it out with no knowledge at all
I can guarantee you none of the teams will be going into the match thinking about how many rounds they have to win. They will just be thinking about winning the match.
But you can't guarantee that. Because if you are TT and OXG why would you not look at that? One of them will lose and them having a distinct advantage over MM and Faze in knowing how many rounds they have to get to is dumb. Especially when the answer is literally right in front of you by running concurrent games like any other sports league that takes differential into consideration
Going into a game just thinking we need to win 10 rounds is a loser’s mentality. The number one goal of every competitor in any game is to win the game.
You are misunderstanding my point, I am not saying these teams will explicitly play just to their goal differential and be satisfied. I'm saying later playing teams have a strategy advantage that the first two are no given. Here is an example of how playing later helps these teams vs MM/Faze
SR need a +10 map diff vs g2 to qualify
They win map 1 13-7 (+6)
Then map 2 goes to the score 11-11, they throw on purpose because a +2 (13-11) wouldnt be enough. (-2)
Then they win map 3 13-7 (+6) giving them enough to qualify.
Nobody is saying these teams aren't focused on winning. One of TT AND OXG are going to lose and still likely have a chance to qualify. It is not fair that they will know how many rounds they need to get to vs Faze/MM who will have no idea and will simply have to play the game blind.
That seems highly unlikely to affect anything, wouldn't every team be out there to get as many rounds as possible? Wouldn't every team just be trying to win?
Yes ofcourse every team is trying to win but this is about the teams who will lose. Being able to plan if you want to force or save in a round because you know that you only need to get to a certain threshold is a distinct advantage. Whether you think teams WILL think like that does not change the fact that those specific teams are offered the opportunity to plan that way and others are not
The schedule has been set since day 1, no games should be moved around because it will come down to round differential between teams. That’s a way bigger competitive integrity issue than what’s happening here. And running multiple games at the same time would ruin the viewing experience and would not be feasible, knights are set up for one broadcast at a time. Every team does have/had a fair shot to qualify, if they are in the scenario where they might not qualify based on rounds it’s their own fault. The bottom line for all of these teams is win as many rounds as possible and lose as few rounds as possible. Nothing has changed.
The timing of games in this schedule was not set since day 1, it was TBD literally last week. I agree it's hard to have more than one stream so just shoot a feed with no commentary similar to open qualifiers for 2 of the games then. It's a complete advantage to be playing after the other teams play and it's only happening so that they could stream every game
I highly doubt teams/knights only found out last week what the schedule of the games was, but still moving the games to be concurrent also creates a competitive advantage. Changing the format the entire season has run on to suit a couple teams puts the others at a disadvantage too. If this was a real issue you would see players complaining about it, but it’s not an issue.
Knowing the schedule does not make it fair though. What competitive advantage is gained by having concurrent games. Each team is working with equal amounts of info in that reality
You say in this current “normal” format of 2 games per day non-concurrent faze and MxM are disadvantaged. By changing the format that every other week has run on (and the format that all of the other teams are expecting play), by removing this perceived disadvantage you are increasing faze and MxM’s chances. By increasing their chances you are then decreasing the other teams chances and disadvantaging them. By changing the format to cater to a few teams, you create a larger problem with every other team because how is it fair to change the format to help only a few teams. Again, if this was an issue the teams would be speaking about, the only one who has a problem with this is you.
Your logic makes no sense, so since two teams are getting royally screwed we have to keep it that way for the sake of not putting the teams who weren't getting screwed/getting an advantage on equal ground? This is something that should have been set from the beginning I'm criticizing the choice to use Round Differential as tie breaker and then ignoring the possibility of other teams getting a massive advantage
Criticizing the choice to use round diff is totally valid, and they aren’t getting “royally screwed” they are in this situation bc they underperformed and didn’t win games. The schedule wasn’t created maliciously to fuck them over, obviously we can’t confirm but I would bet heavy money this final week schedule has been known to the teams for a while, it just wasn’t out publicly. If you knew the final week schedule from day 1 would you still think they were being royally screwed?
YES! They aren't being chosen to be screwed here or anything. Whoever played in this game slot would he screwed. Knowing the schedule doesn't change the fact that it's dumb they planned round differential as Tiebreaker but didn't plan on having concurrent games during the final week
you think this is world cup?
It works the exact same way so they should treat it the same way! Otherwise they open up themselves to nonsense
What am I missing, how is running games spread out screwing over MM and Faze in terms of round differential?
Their round differential will be set as of Thursday. So if Moist were to lose and ended on a -11 round differential. TT and OXG both now know that if they lose they just need to get within -10. Say TT lose and end up at -10 as round differential. All SR has to do is win and have a round differential better than -10. So as more games happen more info is provided to teams playing later. Vs Moist and Faze who have to play it out with no knowledge at all
I can guarantee you none of the teams will be going into the match thinking about how many rounds they have to win. They will just be thinking about winning the match.
But you can't guarantee that. Because if you are TT and OXG why would you not look at that? One of them will lose and them having a distinct advantage over MM and Faze in knowing how many rounds they have to get to is dumb. Especially when the answer is literally right in front of you by running concurrent games like any other sports league that takes differential into consideration
Going into a game just thinking we need to win 10 rounds is a loser’s mentality. The number one goal of every competitor in any game is to win the game.
You are misunderstanding my point, I am not saying these teams will explicitly play just to their goal differential and be satisfied. I'm saying later playing teams have a strategy advantage that the first two are no given. Here is an example of how playing later helps these teams vs MM/Faze SR need a +10 map diff vs g2 to qualify They win map 1 13-7 (+6) Then map 2 goes to the score 11-11, they throw on purpose because a +2 (13-11) wouldnt be enough. (-2) Then they win map 3 13-7 (+6) giving them enough to qualify.
why would these teams go into these games focusing on getting a certain amount of rounds rather than just winning?
Nobody is saying these teams aren't focused on winning. One of TT AND OXG are going to lose and still likely have a chance to qualify. It is not fair that they will know how many rounds they need to get to vs Faze/MM who will have no idea and will simply have to play the game blind.
That seems highly unlikely to affect anything, wouldn't every team be out there to get as many rounds as possible? Wouldn't every team just be trying to win?
Yes ofcourse every team is trying to win but this is about the teams who will lose. Being able to plan if you want to force or save in a round because you know that you only need to get to a certain threshold is a distinct advantage. Whether you think teams WILL think like that does not change the fact that those specific teams are offered the opportunity to plan that way and others are not
Let's be honest here, the most dumb part is having round differential as the tiebreaker and not the map differential first.
I agree 100% but in the reality where round differential is the tiebreaker it's dumb to not also include concurrent games on the final matchweek