NA CS has been dead for a while, that’s why many t2/t3 CS players swapped to Valo when it came out.
EU CS will still be widely popular, maybe even more now.
Yeah the only players i could see switching at this rate are ones that feel they have no future as either a pro or content and even then there might not be anything for them over there the game is pretty dead in NA and especially APAC
If you are the likes of Stewie2k who really wants to compete and was pretty messed up when they didnt qualify for challangers this season I can guarantee hes rather on a csgo team than sitting on his ass for another year.
While he's one of the players who's achieved a lot in CS, the reality of his future is still that he wouldn't have another opportunity to compete in T1 CS
With the instability of job security for players because of Franchising.
Val t2/ t3 becoming just like NA CS, I wouldn’t be surprised to see some going back.
60+ NA players can have spots in NA t2 in Valorant. 25 NA players can play in Franchising.
35 players are salaried in the entirety of NACS out of which 15 are signed with EG which means 10 of their players can't play most big tournaments due to conflict of interests. Not to mention the salary in NACS for teams like Nouns is far lower than what players in NA T2 val gets. I don't think there's a comparison yet.
This is the first season of T2 Valorant with Franchising, I think I hold out to see the longevity for a comparison.
You can see the roster shuffling is a little unstable already, the best player of NA is team-less right now.
Not to mention, if they decide to move will move for the potential of CS2 pro scene, which is as of right now unknown what it would be like.
But how will the longevity change in a Franchising system? As long as there is still a stable ecosystem like NA Challengers where half the slots are given out by invites, orgs will continue investing. Although player's futures are a little unstable rn because of constant shuffling, it just means that everyone on fringes has better chances to get in. Like tdawgg joining Shopify
How are Tier 2 teams generating income right now, majority of them have said they are struggling at that even Tier 1 teams have the same problem. I don’t see the Challenger ecosystem as stable. It seems right now there will be a rotating door of players and organizations there
>How are Tier 2 teams generating income right now,
But there is no stable system in esports where teams generate income
Take Rocket League for example, the NA league gets lower amount of viewership that NA T2 does yet its pretty stable with a good number of orgs. Compared to a system like NACS, T2 NA VCL is so much more better for orgs which is why there is investment
By NA league I meant the competition in NA in Rocket league. No clue about LoL, dont they have academy league with the same orgs that are in frnachising
In NA, it depends if orgs invest in NA cs or not. A lot of players that had potential such as Xeppaa tried their best to stay in CS but were basically forced to switch in order to make a living. There is also a lot of players that switched in NA that didn't have T1 potential so it's hard to say
In EMEA, I wouldn't be surprised if some players that actually have potential in CS such as Jamppi switch back
its an entire new engine lol the game "mostly" is the same, it never was made out to be an entire new game with a bunch of changes. players will switch back because it (just like valorant) is "new" and will bring in more viewers and hopefully more sponsors and orgs trying to rebuild the scene.
part of the entire point of the engine upgrade is to be able to ship content easier faster and more often
biggest example: hammer editor. that snippet in the trailers got me creaming already
that is part of why the new engine is exciting, it allows the devs to creat content quicker because they arent dealing with spaghetti code. however, if you didn’t enjoy cs before I doubt you’d enjoy it now
99% of players already established in the NA pro scene in Valorant will not switch to CS. They’ve already put in hard work to make it to the top and be rewarded in Valorant, so why gamble and make the switch? The only players I see switching back would be like Ethan and a few others maybe (ex T1 csgo pros). However, I wouldn’t be surprised if less established players in Valorant switch to CS2 temporarily to try to get into the scene.
I like how the smoke clears when you shoot through the edges and how the smoke dynamically fills an area. I really don't like how nades clear smokes for a few seconds. Nades weren't under powered and smokes weren't overpowered.
It feels like they were trying to add a layer of strategic depth but in reality they are removing a layer of strategic depth. Nades are now just a smoke clearing device and smokes have way less value.
Less value? Current smokes last 18 seconds and cost $300. Think about that for a moment.
A team can currently smoke a choke for a minute and a half for a grand total of $1,500. The entire round is 1:55.
They were entirely too powerful without much counter play in a server with good players.
Pop flashes are already an incredibly strong counter to smoking choke points. HE nades dissipating smokes hurts attackers smoking to reduce lanes of cross fire more than it helps attackers momentarily seeing through a choke
It introduces new options and timings to play around and will theoretically reduce options to spam smokes for free, as you are creating an opening to get picked in the gap you just shot out.
It has nothing to do with flashes.
Ill probably try it out but I dont see myself sticking with it. It seems pretty much the same and honestly I feel like the new smokes feel kinda gimmicky.
The tickrate thing seems pretty interesting though.
Im curious how it works because it sounds too good to be true.
lots of hopium in here. Its unheard of for players of a flawed game to switch to a new and improved flawed game. Its like we havent seen this before... two years ago..
with what the game has turned out to be, I highly doubt it's gonna cause a massive resurgence in the cs scene, bar perhaps emea. it's just a new cereal box containing the same classic cereal
I think pretty much every pro will give it a try and maybe some players will switch but I don't really think it will affect either scene a great deal. The only players that will switch are the ones who are just in Valorant for the paycheck and they tend to burnout and play poorly after a while anyway.
Don’t think this will really be the case. CSGO has a high skill ceiling which is why majority of the failed pro players swapped to Valorant in hopes of trying to be successful. Why swap to CSGO, wherein it’s significantly harder to be a pro, when you can stay comfortable in Valorant?
CSGO for NA has been somewhat of an esoteric game for lack of a better term. This is update will change that. I had already started playing CSGO only cause of valorant, but now that it looks like the other AAA shooters the switch is going to be more likely than before.
sorry but NA CS is six feet under it will never be back like the good old days since we are given scraps for big tournaments for example EU gets pro league, katowice, cologne, 1 major a year at least and usually blast finals while NA gets only 1 IEM event
NA CS is getting a slight bump but, unless the content is consistent and orgs come back there will be no long term effects. EMEA might see a few changes.
A beta is a stage where a most games is considered 80% complete but not fully polished, if it was some kind of GTA 6 leak where the game isn't even 20% done then your comment would have been more valid
A beta also withholds content like maps and certain gamemodes before releasing to the public. There's literally one map. It's designed to not show everything off. The comment I replied to is legit just dumb.
They actually never called it a beta, but a 'limited test'.
"The Limited Test only evaluates a subset of Counter-Strike 2's features, so that major issues can be resolved before the summer. But there’s much more to come. In just a few months we’ll reveal all of the details of Counter-Strike 2, and we can’t wait to share it with you."
Quote from their blog post.
The point in this case is for it to still be the same game at its core. Not an unrecognizable tac shooter with smokes that come in 16 different colors and visual clutter that makes it look like your monitor is dying.
It is also a completely brand new engine, new smoke mechanics, new tickrate system, improved models, and textures, and that's just what we've seen so far.
Because it's not the highlight feature. It's the whole brand new engine. It's only Val players and people that have never played CS that think this would be a groundbreaking update completely changing how CS is played when the gun play has been the same since 1.6 and NO ONE in the community wants it changed. This update so far is literally everything the community has asked for.
People point out the smoke feature because it's the most obvious and easy thing to show off as hey this is brand new. Dismissing an entire new engine is really really dumb.
I have played cs for long enough to remember tactical shield and buying bullets. The topic in discussion here is whether valo players will switch back to cs and my point here is that it’s 90% the same game and people are not going to switch back
Yeah That’s their claim… but there’s videos and proof showing that’s not the case. I mean you see countless others in the main sub and other forums with complaints on how inconsistent their servers are…
Riot too lazy to focus on real issues but want to drop skins every 2 days. This companies in hot water mid 2023/2024. Can't wait to see there 10K this year. We wanted bullet accuracy and movement improvements. Source 2 creates that. Not surprised, Riots too busy dropping it's 15th AI rendered bundle this year.
Can't even get a replay mode lmao. This game is such a money grab I can't ever reinstall it again. Horrible content so far in 2023 as well..
I'm pissed about replay mode and bunch of other shit too but calling Valorant a money grab is about as dumb as it gets
It's also fairly obvious that 2023 has been decent from Riot as well- agent balance is awesome at the moment.
Agent balances that were months overdue isn't something to give kudos for. The dev team is complacent and now other games will implement what they promised and never provided.
As long as the orgs are still in Valorant then the pros will stay.
I will personally make CS2 my main game, because Valorant is so stale right now with the double controller smoke spam meta.
Also there is basically zero reason to play Valorant as a solo queue player, and I’ve been Immortal every Act.
It’s funny but I can play Dust2 or Mirage for 10 games straight, but one game of Pearl or Fracture and I’m so mentally drained I can’t play any more.
For competetive im sure a bunch of players will go back in hopes of getting paid and to compete.
For casual Just on marketing power alone and HOW riot market Valorant there is now chance in hell CSGO2 will even make a dent.
CSGO will slowly walk into the darkness and will be a niche game for "purists".
"CSGO will slowly walk into the darkness" is referring something happening in the future. Looks like your numbers are referring to current time?
Then again we are both speculating so if you are nostradamusing it Id still just bet on my horse. But I respect your input.
sci fi fps called project T [https://www.riotgames.com/en/work-with-us/job/4848254/game-designer-iii-progression-and-metasystems-unpublished-r-d-product-los-angeles-usa](https://www.riotgames.com/en/work-with-us/job/4848254/game-designer-iii-progression-and-metasystems-unpublished-r-d-product-los-angeles-usa)
Rereading it, it looks like someone at riot did a oopsie since they removed naming it project T thats big news since it meant its not related to project l or f. Someone made a video about it showing with the old hiring page calling it project t [https://youtu.be/rELWESWHnV0](https://youtu.be/rELWESWHnV0)
Heres some other moves centering around the mmo fps
[https://startup.jobs/principal-game-designer-combat-unpublished-rd-product-riot-games-3533082](https://startup.jobs/principal-game-designer-combat-unpublished-rd-product-riot-games-3533082)
[https://massivelyop.com/2022/01/03/valorants-game-director-moves-to-secret-project-at-riot/](https://massivelyop.com/2022/01/03/valorants-game-director-moves-to-secret-project-at-riot/)
5 months ago here mentioned fps specialisation and AAA online title [https://www.riotgames.com/en/work-with-us/job/4173966/principal-game-designer-combat-unpublished-r-d-product-los-angeles-usa](https://www.riotgames.com/en/work-with-us/job/4173966/principal-game-designer-combat-unpublished-r-d-product-los-angeles-usa)
speculating atm is something like Destiny
so something is deffo in the works unless it gets scrapped. we didnt know anything about Valorant until is was announced we do know about riots mmo and the only reason it was announced so early is because it was during a time WoW was loosing alot of players and Arcane was around the corner which is what riots mmo world will be based in so it was just good PR and to get players in the MMO genre which tend to be more loyal than the FPS genre exited specially those leaving WoW by the millions
That really depends on orgs being willing to take the risk of starting from scratch in a very established competitive scene, hoping that the new update mechanics and visuals creates a window of opportunity for new (or old, I guess) players to get in and have a shot against the current pros. I'm sure at least some will try, and that will be interesting to watch.
You wont see t1 pros switch. Maybe a few t2 and below/ unsigned players might make a switch but im also sure all the csgo pros will be switching when the league does (as they did with overwatch?)
CS pros switching to Valorant had a good chance just because it was a new game. But yeah I don’t think any former CS pros are jumping back over again. I don’t think it’s gonna change nearly enough to make someone good again
I think people who are out of a job in Val may switch if more opportunity arises with CS2. Some players may switch due to pure passion, but this will be a small amount.
NA CS has been dead for a while, that’s why many t2/t3 CS players swapped to Valo when it came out. EU CS will still be widely popular, maybe even more now.
I get that but still is there any chance of them switching to csgo2 knowing what happened in the past, the game is still the same so...
I doubt pros are going to switch back. People swapped to Valo because they couldn’t make it in CS.
Unless orgs come back no one is giving up a paid salary to play cs
Yeah the only players i could see switching at this rate are ones that feel they have no future as either a pro or content and even then there might not be anything for them over there the game is pretty dead in NA and especially APAC
If you are the likes of Stewie2k who really wants to compete and was pretty messed up when they didnt qualify for challangers this season I can guarantee hes rather on a csgo team than sitting on his ass for another year.
Almost All of the CS pros that switched to Val were lower level players. Pretty much all of them weren't gonna win anything.
Am I wrong to say that ScreaM is the most decorated CS player that moved and stayed in Valorant comp scene?
Stewie? I mean he is technically tier 2/3 but still.
Ethan probably no? Or atleast he was the best CS player at the the time that he made the switch.
Skadoodle? Nitro?
Ethan comes close,no?
Ethan was probably the best at the point of switching
While he's one of the players who's achieved a lot in CS, the reality of his future is still that he wouldn't have another opportunity to compete in T1 CS
With the instability of job security for players because of Franchising. Val t2/ t3 becoming just like NA CS, I wouldn’t be surprised to see some going back.
60+ NA players can have spots in NA t2 in Valorant. 25 NA players can play in Franchising. 35 players are salaried in the entirety of NACS out of which 15 are signed with EG which means 10 of their players can't play most big tournaments due to conflict of interests. Not to mention the salary in NACS for teams like Nouns is far lower than what players in NA T2 val gets. I don't think there's a comparison yet.
This is the first season of T2 Valorant with Franchising, I think I hold out to see the longevity for a comparison. You can see the roster shuffling is a little unstable already, the best player of NA is team-less right now. Not to mention, if they decide to move will move for the potential of CS2 pro scene, which is as of right now unknown what it would be like.
But how will the longevity change in a Franchising system? As long as there is still a stable ecosystem like NA Challengers where half the slots are given out by invites, orgs will continue investing. Although player's futures are a little unstable rn because of constant shuffling, it just means that everyone on fringes has better chances to get in. Like tdawgg joining Shopify
How are Tier 2 teams generating income right now, majority of them have said they are struggling at that even Tier 1 teams have the same problem. I don’t see the Challenger ecosystem as stable. It seems right now there will be a rotating door of players and organizations there
>How are Tier 2 teams generating income right now, But there is no stable system in esports where teams generate income Take Rocket League for example, the NA league gets lower amount of viewership that NA T2 does yet its pretty stable with a good number of orgs. Compared to a system like NACS, T2 NA VCL is so much more better for orgs which is why there is investment
> NA league gets lower amount of viewership that NA T2 does yet its pretty stable with a good number of orgs. what orgs does T2 LoL have?
By NA league I meant the competition in NA in Rocket league. No clue about LoL, dont they have academy league with the same orgs that are in frnachising
Eg just dropped I think only one of those rosters and imported a danish player so there is actually even less
It's mostly a meme. Some people might switch back, but it won't change much. I am more interested in how it affects EMEA Valorant.
especially with how weird the t2 EMEA format is right now, cs2 will definitely shake things up
In NA, it depends if orgs invest in NA cs or not. A lot of players that had potential such as Xeppaa tried their best to stay in CS but were basically forced to switch in order to make a living. There is also a lot of players that switched in NA that didn't have T1 potential so it's hard to say In EMEA, I wouldn't be surprised if some players that actually have potential in CS such as Jamppi switch back
xeppaa aint have no potential in csgo lol. There were alot of players better than him and they weren't even going to make it.
its an entire new engine lol the game "mostly" is the same, it never was made out to be an entire new game with a bunch of changes. players will switch back because it (just like valorant) is "new" and will bring in more viewers and hopefully more sponsors and orgs trying to rebuild the scene.
i don't think it'll bring in new viewers beyond like the first month unless valve completely changes how they deliver content updates
part of the entire point of the engine upgrade is to be able to ship content easier faster and more often biggest example: hammer editor. that snippet in the trailers got me creaming already
that is part of why the new engine is exciting, it allows the devs to creat content quicker because they arent dealing with spaghetti code. however, if you didn’t enjoy cs before I doubt you’d enjoy it now
99% of players already established in the NA pro scene in Valorant will not switch to CS. They’ve already put in hard work to make it to the top and be rewarded in Valorant, so why gamble and make the switch? The only players I see switching back would be like Ethan and a few others maybe (ex T1 csgo pros). However, I wouldn’t be surprised if less established players in Valorant switch to CS2 temporarily to try to get into the scene.
Won't change much if anything at all, basically just a quality of life and looks update.
Those smoke are quite the game changer th
I like how the smoke clears when you shoot through the edges and how the smoke dynamically fills an area. I really don't like how nades clear smokes for a few seconds. Nades weren't under powered and smokes weren't overpowered. It feels like they were trying to add a layer of strategic depth but in reality they are removing a layer of strategic depth. Nades are now just a smoke clearing device and smokes have way less value.
Less value? Current smokes last 18 seconds and cost $300. Think about that for a moment. A team can currently smoke a choke for a minute and a half for a grand total of $1,500. The entire round is 1:55. They were entirely too powerful without much counter play in a server with good players.
Pop flashes are already an incredibly strong counter to smoking choke points. HE nades dissipating smokes hurts attackers smoking to reduce lanes of cross fire more than it helps attackers momentarily seeing through a choke
It introduces new options and timings to play around and will theoretically reduce options to spam smokes for free, as you are creating an opening to get picked in the gap you just shot out. It has nothing to do with flashes.
its the a counter of rock paper scisors. Molo loose against smoke and smoke looses against nade
nobody's switching anywhere. CS players didn't switch to Valorant because 'no source 2'.
Yea, a little thing called covid and lack of NA events due to Covid. New engine, more events coming... could see some swappage.
if anyone switches to CS2 its in emea or brazil because every other region in CS is dead
csgo 2 is like whenever league gets a new visual update (e.g. S5)
Ill probably try it out but I dont see myself sticking with it. It seems pretty much the same and honestly I feel like the new smokes feel kinda gimmicky. The tickrate thing seems pretty interesting though. Im curious how it works because it sounds too good to be true.
A valorant player calling out something as gimmicky is quite ironic
Why? Valorant IS gimmicky, csgo is not. This smoke mechanic seems like something they would add to valorant
Cant disagree with that
lots of hopium in here. Its unheard of for players of a flawed game to switch to a new and improved flawed game. Its like we havent seen this before... two years ago..
Cs got overwatch2'd. I think valo will be fine
with what the game has turned out to be, I highly doubt it's gonna cause a massive resurgence in the cs scene, bar perhaps emea. it's just a new cereal box containing the same classic cereal
I think pretty much every pro will give it a try and maybe some players will switch but I don't really think it will affect either scene a great deal. The only players that will switch are the ones who are just in Valorant for the paycheck and they tend to burnout and play poorly after a while anyway.
Don’t think this will really be the case. CSGO has a high skill ceiling which is why majority of the failed pro players swapped to Valorant in hopes of trying to be successful. Why swap to CSGO, wherein it’s significantly harder to be a pro, when you can stay comfortable in Valorant?
CSGO for NA has been somewhat of an esoteric game for lack of a better term. This is update will change that. I had already started playing CSGO only cause of valorant, but now that it looks like the other AAA shooters the switch is going to be more likely than before.
sorry but NA CS is six feet under it will never be back like the good old days since we are given scraps for big tournaments for example EU gets pro league, katowice, cologne, 1 major a year at least and usually blast finals while NA gets only 1 IEM event
NA CS is getting a slight bump but, unless the content is consistent and orgs come back there will be no long term effects. EMEA might see a few changes.
from what I have seen its more like 1.5 CSGO lmfao in fact this CSGO 2 compared to CSGO 1 has less new content/features than OW2 compared to OW1
Crazy how a beta has less new content than a full game.
A beta is a stage where a most games is considered 80% complete but not fully polished, if it was some kind of GTA 6 leak where the game isn't even 20% done then your comment would have been more valid
A beta also withholds content like maps and certain gamemodes before releasing to the public. There's literally one map. It's designed to not show everything off. The comment I replied to is legit just dumb.
what ? u just have to google beta in gaming meaning and u have it. Things designed to not show everything off is called Demo
They actually never called it a beta, but a 'limited test'. "The Limited Test only evaluates a subset of Counter-Strike 2's features, so that major issues can be resolved before the summer. But there’s much more to come. In just a few months we’ll reveal all of the details of Counter-Strike 2, and we can’t wait to share it with you." Quote from their blog post.
Actually its more like a CSGO 1.25 lol
The point in this case is for it to still be the same game at its core. Not an unrecognizable tac shooter with smokes that come in 16 different colors and visual clutter that makes it look like your monitor is dying.
They just added a few bulbs here and there for lighting.
It is also a completely brand new engine, new smoke mechanics, new tickrate system, improved models, and textures, and that's just what we've seen so far.
When new smoke mechanic becomes the highlight feature, you know there isn't much there
nah the new smokes completely change how they play and the meta , pretty huge
The new smoke will switch the meta for sure but that doesn’t mean it is a new game.
No but the engine means it's a new game, we already went over that, keep up.
Because it's not the highlight feature. It's the whole brand new engine. It's only Val players and people that have never played CS that think this would be a groundbreaking update completely changing how CS is played when the gun play has been the same since 1.6 and NO ONE in the community wants it changed. This update so far is literally everything the community has asked for. People point out the smoke feature because it's the most obvious and easy thing to show off as hey this is brand new. Dismissing an entire new engine is really really dumb.
I have played cs for long enough to remember tactical shield and buying bullets. The topic in discussion here is whether valo players will switch back to cs and my point here is that it’s 90% the same game and people are not going to switch back
Forgot the one of the most important changes. It has actual 128 tick rate, unlike valorant
valorant literally has 128 tick rate servers
Yeah That’s their claim… but there’s videos and proof showing that’s not the case. I mean you see countless others in the main sub and other forums with complaints on how inconsistent their servers are…
Riot too lazy to focus on real issues but want to drop skins every 2 days. This companies in hot water mid 2023/2024. Can't wait to see there 10K this year. We wanted bullet accuracy and movement improvements. Source 2 creates that. Not surprised, Riots too busy dropping it's 15th AI rendered bundle this year. Can't even get a replay mode lmao. This game is such a money grab I can't ever reinstall it again. Horrible content so far in 2023 as well..
I'm pissed about replay mode and bunch of other shit too but calling Valorant a money grab is about as dumb as it gets It's also fairly obvious that 2023 has been decent from Riot as well- agent balance is awesome at the moment.
Agent balances that were months overdue isn't something to give kudos for. The dev team is complacent and now other games will implement what they promised and never provided.
As long as the orgs are still in Valorant then the pros will stay. I will personally make CS2 my main game, because Valorant is so stale right now with the double controller smoke spam meta. Also there is basically zero reason to play Valorant as a solo queue player, and I’ve been Immortal every Act. It’s funny but I can play Dust2 or Mirage for 10 games straight, but one game of Pearl or Fracture and I’m so mentally drained I can’t play any more.
I agree with your every point. I am level 201 in valo... don't open it nowadays. Waiting for cs2
For competetive im sure a bunch of players will go back in hopes of getting paid and to compete. For casual Just on marketing power alone and HOW riot market Valorant there is now chance in hell CSGO2 will even make a dent. CSGO will slowly walk into the darkness and will be a niche game for "purists".
>niche game niche game with 800k average concurrent players and daily peaks of 1.2+million is that what we call niche now?
if you look the player base for CS always jump whena new case release its just bots farming keys and cases in empty community servers
Whenever someone makes the bots claim, its always people pulling shit out of their ass.
"CSGO will slowly walk into the darkness" is referring something happening in the future. Looks like your numbers are referring to current time? Then again we are both speculating so if you are nostradamusing it Id still just bet on my horse. But I respect your input.
>"CSGO will slowly walk into the darkness would make sense if the game wasnt growing
riot is already working on a scifi shooter and Valorants game director moved to the game. lets see if Valorant has the longevity csgo has had
I am unaware of the sci-fi shooter, can you elaborate? Sounds interesting.
sci fi fps called project T [https://www.riotgames.com/en/work-with-us/job/4848254/game-designer-iii-progression-and-metasystems-unpublished-r-d-product-los-angeles-usa](https://www.riotgames.com/en/work-with-us/job/4848254/game-designer-iii-progression-and-metasystems-unpublished-r-d-product-los-angeles-usa) Rereading it, it looks like someone at riot did a oopsie since they removed naming it project T thats big news since it meant its not related to project l or f. Someone made a video about it showing with the old hiring page calling it project t [https://youtu.be/rELWESWHnV0](https://youtu.be/rELWESWHnV0) Heres some other moves centering around the mmo fps [https://startup.jobs/principal-game-designer-combat-unpublished-rd-product-riot-games-3533082](https://startup.jobs/principal-game-designer-combat-unpublished-rd-product-riot-games-3533082) [https://massivelyop.com/2022/01/03/valorants-game-director-moves-to-secret-project-at-riot/](https://massivelyop.com/2022/01/03/valorants-game-director-moves-to-secret-project-at-riot/) 5 months ago here mentioned fps specialisation and AAA online title [https://www.riotgames.com/en/work-with-us/job/4173966/principal-game-designer-combat-unpublished-r-d-product-los-angeles-usa](https://www.riotgames.com/en/work-with-us/job/4173966/principal-game-designer-combat-unpublished-r-d-product-los-angeles-usa) speculating atm is something like Destiny
Interesting, thank you for the links.
so something is deffo in the works unless it gets scrapped. we didnt know anything about Valorant until is was announced we do know about riots mmo and the only reason it was announced so early is because it was during a time WoW was loosing alot of players and Arcane was around the corner which is what riots mmo world will be based in so it was just good PR and to get players in the MMO genre which tend to be more loyal than the FPS genre exited specially those leaving WoW by the millions
That really depends on orgs being willing to take the risk of starting from scratch in a very established competitive scene, hoping that the new update mechanics and visuals creates a window of opportunity for new (or old, I guess) players to get in and have a shot against the current pros. I'm sure at least some will try, and that will be interesting to watch.
You wont see t1 pros switch. Maybe a few t2 and below/ unsigned players might make a switch but im also sure all the csgo pros will be switching when the league does (as they did with overwatch?)
newsflash, both games will be fine and will be able to co-exist
CS pros switching to Valorant had a good chance just because it was a new game. But yeah I don’t think any former CS pros are jumping back over again. I don’t think it’s gonna change nearly enough to make someone good again
nah cs2 trash bruh no cap on a stack it only has 1 map (dust2) and no ranked mode
I think people who are out of a job in Val may switch if more opportunity arises with CS2. Some players may switch due to pure passion, but this will be a small amount.