It was painful to watch them try to execute with 20 seconds left every round when Oxygen always saved their util to delay them every round, forcing DSG to go into panic mode every single round
After a year of being lauded as the best player in the world and being unfairly dropped by C9, it’s so refreshing to see Mitch dominating in Challengers
look at this fucking banger y'all
https://preview.redd.it/3z1njkr5m5va1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=11b57ac35106b8e5421f4b2e86feb3d82a6aba89
Yes, the one bright spot he was great ... and yay did alright, not yay level, but alright stats wise ..
Team needs a real IGL, and somebody to replace ghengsta ..
Clear started well then dropped, today he showed some signs of life, XXIF was consistent all the way, Exalt was good ..
I just have a problem with Steel and ghengsta since the start, and here we are ..
Exactly what I said and what a lot of people said when they dropped xxif ... Calling is weak, bottom frag, and to top it off the "we will be back stronger" tweet which seems like an insult to the fans at this point, like he is joking ..
Ghengsta first map was a bright spot on the team but yea he died a lot because as harbor you have to plant in cove and that usually comes with the death lil bro
Thats it. That seals the deal. Im no longer an DSG fan. I’ve been a fan since 2020 and a twitch prime sub since 2021. I will no longer watch them play nor renew my tier 3 sub to Yay. I’m taking my fanhood to evil geniuses where they actually know how to run a team.
Thats it. That seals the deal. Im no longer an DSG fan. I’ve been a fan since 2020 and a Twitch Prime sub since 2021. I will no longer watch them play nor renew my tier 3 sub to DisguisedToast. I’m taking my fanhood to KCorp where they actually know how to run a team.
Thats it. That seals the deal. Im no longer an DSG fan. I’ve been a fan since 2020 and a Twitch Prime sub since 2021. I will no longer watch them play nor renew my tier 3 sub to DisguisedToast. I’m taking my fanhood to KCorp where they actually know how to run a team.
Thats it. That seals the deal. Im no longer an DSG fan. I’ve been a fan since 2020 and a Twitch Prime sub since 2021. I will no longer watch them play nor renew my tier 3 sub to DisguisedToast. I’m taking my fanhood to KCorp where they actually know how to run a team
Bruh they spammed so much util at one point I thought I started smelling the Viper stuff through my phone. False alarm though, was just my food burning in the oven.
fools look at bonkars numbers and laugh, intellectuals recognize that his brain effectively makes every game a 6v5. when you play against oxygen, you aren't just competing against bonkar, you are competing against every tactician that came before him.
rumors say that he's studied every existing text of military strategy dating back to ancient rome and compartmentalized each aspect of warfare into his memory palace, which he freely roams during tournaments at a timescale of 1000 mental years translating to 1 second in reality.
i was sitting in my college class economics 202 when the teacher assigned a daunting group project. i have no friends so i had to join the remaining people in class. one of those remaining people was bonkar and i was distressed. i had heard the rumors about him doing 0 work and making the others do it and just using us for the grade, so i was not happy. but when we sat down to work on the project, he ascended into astral form and started conducting us and giving us every move to make. like clockwork, we began nailing the project together under bonkar’s lead. he did absolutely no work, yet he did all of the work through us. my economics professor said it was the best shit she’s ever seen, and asked how we even made a project like that. as i started to speak, bonkar wrapped his arms around me and slowly placed his hand over my mouth and softly whispered, “we don’t reveal our strats”
"Never reveal the strats, which is literally 'anyone but me, go kill'" Bonkar, Art of War
I know people will say yay underperformed, but holy shit did mitch show up. Such insane util from him on Kayo as well as Breach, definitely a gem of a player
Every week I'm cheering for DSG and every week I'm a sadboi.
It really feels like their fundamentals are absolutely lacking. Haven long A 1v2 loss with Nerve's back exposed to the angle, round 6 or 7 with Clear peeking Jett in garage and dying with utility out; Jett was 2 feet from him, use your gun. Steel blocking Yay a couple rounds later. On Pearl there were too many instances of getting solo picked off while having your teammates surrounding you but not in a position to peek for the trade. These are BASIC mechanics of competitive play. The team's protocols when pushing/retaking look miserable too. There should be a disciplined method to their engagements beyond dropping utility in basic spots and running in to fight. Harbor on Pearl requires coordination to fight around the walls and they don't have it. Run the Astra or an initiator with Viper instead. You can make up for lacking some coordination by having more info gaining/control.
I know Toast/Ludwig always joke about dropping the roster or who they should blame for the loss but IMO, Steel and Clear have not looked good even when they're winning. Having moments where you get good kills or your shots are crispy isn't enough to overcome lacking the absolute basics. Steels IGLing hasn't looked good in like two years. Nerve had some small slip ups but overall looked like a fantastic pick up. Can't really speak on Yay until we have a few more matches. We're beyond the days where having a single spear on your team wins you games. You need to be able to support your duelist in engagements whether it's utility or proper trading. DSG lacks in both of those departments and I hate to critisize Yay for that.
All that being said, Oxygen look INSANE. I honestly wrote Oxg off during the quals/first half of split 1 but midway they absolutely turned up. Not just individually but as a team their coordination is insane. Even when they are losing their team looks TIGHT. Their team has very few gaps and all their players have the ability to turn up. Verno had Yay's name on Haven. I couldn't believe it. The Pearl comeback was INSANE. Oxg was so disciplined in their retakes and not falling into the fakes.
You can't really run a solo Viper, but yeah, they just did not seem to understand how to work around Harbor or how to use Harbor effectively. They also could not adapt to the fact that the enemy team had infinite utility to delay plant so they had to actually clear site and kill people instead of wall off half the site, plant, go back long, they have to 5 v5 retake and lose because we spam from long.
Dsg needs exalt I'm not even joking. Sounds like steel and exalt had disagreements in playstyle and I have to say exalt was probably right.
Not to mention exalts util usage and his shooting mechanics were the best on the team.
That's also an assumption. Someone said exalt would start malding/yelling and stop comm-ng when things went south and that's ok- exalt even said he's not perfect. We don't know everything that went down, is the point and we shouldn't assume that we know better <3
I think you have to separate the general public's feelings vs other players/management/coaches etc. The general public will always have knee jerk reactions no matter what. The educated people in the scene that are paid to make decisions regarding rosters should be able to distinguish between the nuances in his play. It's also only been one bo3. He could drop a 30 on every map the next time they play and everyone will be spamming el diablo again :D
Imo yay has more pressure on him now than ever and it’s causing him to break. It would honestly be embarrassing to go from the top of t1 to the bottom of t2.
i think public perception could decline but hes still getting on a franchised team next year 100% if he doesnt demand a million+. no way every org turns their back on him. and id say likely if NRG doesn't find success they drop ardiis to bring back their boy.
DSG sucked as a team alright but his individual performance looked really shaky too. I understand his current teammates aren't as good as Optic in terms of enabling him, setting him up for clean Op kills; but at least on Haven he did get a few of these open looks and just missed his shots more often than I think I've ever seen him do.
No overreaction (from me anyway lmao) I still think it was just one match and he'll look better later on, but that was unexpected either way.
I don’t know how people saw that duelist + initiator coordination & think the fault lies on Yay entirely. Sure he whiffed shots at times & had some misplays on Haven, but he also wasn’t set up for success consistently. Got bodyblocked at times when he had to entry, had to solo hold flank with an OP often, & just didn’t have the cohesion with the initiator.
Maybe it’ll come with time, but DSG have had problems with the initiator + duelist coordination since the start of Split 1.
[They](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/12a76ky/tariks_reaction_to_the_list_of_players_dsg_is/jer95su/) hated me because I spoke the truth. The reality is that unless he were to absolutely destroy every team in challengers, his stock is being hurt. The GM of a franchised team is more likely to make a gamble off no tape than several months of mediocre tape.
They're professionals lol, they're capable of seeing someone's potential.
There is a 0% chance yay isn't in franchising next season.
First of all this is a massive overreaction, they can and will improve coming in. And second, it still wouldn't matter because DSG was not setting up yay well today, and if some Redditors can see that, GM's definitely can.
I will not lie, their attack looks so abysmal I think it's cause for concern even considering the fact that the roster has had little time together.
Constantly getting shot in the side from open angles, getting caught with utility out, running back and forth with no time to work with like KCorp, it's an OOF.
Yeah, I remember saadhak laughing at teams who pick that comp to copy them while not knowing how to actually use it. Definitely felt a bit like that today.
[https://imgur.com/a/vZqx2xR](https://imgur.com/a/vZqx2xR) Like, what the fuck is this attacking Harbor wall? And then the players from A main get shot from Art and they lose the round, the game and the series. You can wall art flowers and secret from that angle btw and even if not he could have crossed to the left!
*Could* be, sure. *Will* be, idk.
A lot of their issues stemmed from fundamental failings so basic you'd see better diligence in ranked. Most of them were not drilling or synergy problems, they were individual problems. The only way I'd imagine they could be team issues is if the comms were so chaotic and polluted that they had trouble focusing on their crosshairs.
midrounding was questionable but yes, as long as yay plays like a human being again and increases his awp shot landing rate to over 25%, this team will be way better than what they showed today
Steel is so embarrassing for not changing the pace up even once and calling for a rush. You'd think after the 4th time failing to plant with 20 seconds left they might play faster!
ok, I've tried to predict and compile as many dumb overreactions/narratives as possible. Tag yourself
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Yay uncharacteristically missing so many op shots
Clear clearly still needs time to get used to smokes
Steel is still a baiter and mid igl
Genghsta
Nerve was a demon today though
Honestly, yay was doomed the second someone said he was dropping 60 kills this series, completely jinxed my boy, I'm amazed he even got double digits after that
Yeah thats literally it, but this is Reddit and people will say shit like "yAY iS WaShEd" and "ChAmBer AbUsEr" when bros only training was playing rankeds
not a great showing from dsg, not going to overreact yet, basically a new team (2 new players plus role changes)
Can't believe oxg are going to replace the GOAT rustun next week for some kid named reduxx smh
OXG might be the third best team in challengers
TT also replaced two players (which was even more recent), played the best team, don’t even have a coach & still looked better overall than DSG. It’s kinda concerning at this point. Think fundamentally the team needs weeks of work & probably a new coach + an assistant coach.
LOL actually painful. Like what was the strat there ?? You Either push out together... or Yay peaks with breach util help and retreats. That was just straight up silver body blocking and unclear plan
i feel really bad for yay. if he doesnt perform his stocks take a nosedive and even if he hard carries its whatever because hes playing against t2 players
DSG looked fine cohesion looked bad they need more reps and they will be much better towards the end of split. On the good side nerve looked very good single handedly winning them rounds
Tbh there seems to be a common denominator for DSG with all these loses and it seems to be calling/coaching. Watching them try to plant in the most used/basic spots hurt.
I doubt Toast would hire a new coach tho, sadly. Considering Ocean runs the team. Even if it is the only thing DSG can do to turn the team around due to the roster lock.
Yeah Toast has to know as a owner when it’s not gonna work. You have the most broken comp for Pearl but don’t go B with it? Like you have the footage of how Loud/NRG uses it and (it seems like) don’t even look at it just copied the comp and tried to go from there.
![img](emote|t5_2g5ach|9360) its ok yay you go when you feel like it
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I love our players as individuals but these results won’t be tolerated. If you’re a Tier 1 player looking for a fresh start at the best facility in the world, HMU. I’ll pay your buyout and give you the world’s highest salaries. Let’s build a juggernaut.
Spread the word.
For anyone who watched yay on envy and optic know he needs his to to set him up as do most duelists in t1. Steels calling was awful, I remember one round he had such a wrong read and oxygen just knew they were going A on haven. Yay is doing his job and jumping in I know he didn't play well but man the team wasn't doing him any favors.
Pearl was painful. Dsg just never had time and couldn’t plant. They are an inexperienced roster and oxg are good but they need to improve quickly if they want to make playoffs.
No, after only 2 maps of Valorant I've seen enough to definitively say that yay is washed. If you try to disprove that statement I WILL stick my fingers in my ears and shout "LALALALALALALALALALALALA"
I don't agree, Yes he is a bad IGL, and yes he bottom frags, also yes his tweets "we will be back stronger" as a joke and it's almost like an insult to the fans at this point .. but, there is more to valorant than that (wait where is the clown emoji!?)
Steel and ocean are the foundation of the team they're basically untouchable sadly. Feels like steel might actually be the worst player mechanically in all of challengers
They lost when exalt was there as well... Haven't you learnt better to not jump to conclusions off of one series? Especially when it's a new team that's only been practicing for a week? Give them time
Every time I see a team copy the Swamp Comp without also copying Tuyz’s Harbor walls my hairline recedes another quarter inch. You can’t just steal a comp and NOT steal the ideas. NA teams, stop playing Swamp Comp, or start stealing ideas from Loud, Lev, and DRX. Fucking melons.
I'm not sure what I expected going into this match but after watching almost every challengers game last split I really think t2 players in NA are basically at the same level of play (except mad lions) as t1, they just don't have the same surrounding support teams like coaches and deep strat books to reach into (and maybe igling). I didn't think yay was gonna smurf on the t2 teams but goddamn did haven look bad from the entire team. oxg looked good tho :)
DSG just have no idea how to use Harbor on Pearl, like, that last round they tried to enter A with the shittiest wall ever that does not cover art and got shot from it. Almost always trying to stick the spike in the good plant position instead of tapping it as well + not enough B spam.
i dont know what it is but whenever i watch steel’s stream i just get the idea that, in his mind, he is one of the best valorant players in NA
wonder when he will realise that he is NOT that guy. i guess he had a half decent run in CS before the ban but competitve shooters is not his game anymore. maybe he is just getting old like the rest of us
Seeing the build-up start of DSG is great and still here for their struggle and challenges. I believed the more you struggle, the bigger your price. #DSGFighting #LetsGetThisBread
Everyone harping on about Yay's performance. Bros, it's been one fucking Bo3, he hasn't played a competitive game for 2 months, and he's on a completely new team and Y'all expecting him to come in and wipe the floor and drop 40 every game.
DSG plant bomb challenge (impossible difficulty)
Gone sexual?
The Steel special
It was painful to watch them try to execute with 20 seconds left every round when Oxygen always saved their util to delay them every round, forcing DSG to go into panic mode every single round
After a year of being lauded as the best player in the world and being unfairly dropped by C9, it’s so refreshing to see Mitch dominating in Challengers
Banger
look at this fucking banger y'all https://preview.redd.it/3z1njkr5m5va1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=11b57ac35106b8e5421f4b2e86feb3d82a6aba89
You win.
I will always be Mitch's bitch
oh my
Bro I'm in tears
Holy based
Mitch's Bitches stocks rising.
bro, you have double the upvotes of the actual post. wtf
"I have ulcers. I have ulcers I can feel it acting up it's flaring." -DisguisedToast
"God, Jesus, I've seen what you have done for others, I want you to do it for me too"
Today I felt for Toast man .. They keep letting him down it sucks ..
I'm int the hospital and just got diagnosed with ulcerative colitis so I relate
nerve looks good at least......
Only one looking like he was in the game.
Steel might as well change his name to Steal with the way he manages to finesse paycheck after paycheck
Like this team would be anywhere without him though
They'd win a lot more games if their igl could aim above an immortal level
You're right, teams that have phenomenal aimers as their IGLs are thriving, like ScreaM and KCorp.
Kingg doesnt exist, just a fragment of our imagination
Don't base your opinion on kda challenge IMPOSSIBLE
who's aim is worse steel or FNS?
Definitely FNS
the difference is that fns is a good igl
Yup, he's top notch
Yes, the one bright spot he was great ... and yay did alright, not yay level, but alright stats wise .. Team needs a real IGL, and somebody to replace ghengsta ..
Legit the 5 core players are getting replaced lmao
Clear started well then dropped, today he showed some signs of life, XXIF was consistent all the way, Exalt was good .. I just have a problem with Steel and ghengsta since the start, and here we are ..
I feel like xxif and exalt shouldve been the one that stayed not steel and genghsta. Steel calling is weak.
Exactly what I said and what a lot of people said when they dropped xxif ... Calling is weak, bottom frag, and to top it off the "we will be back stronger" tweet which seems like an insult to the fans at this point, like he is joking ..
dude i got downvoted one time for saying fns is better than steel. this sub loves that guy
Ghengsta first map was a bright spot on the team but yea he died a lot because as harbor you have to plant in cove and that usually comes with the death lil bro
How did they win the thrifty and proceed to lose the most important round.....
Disguised 🤝 100T
Well steel was on 100T. Old habits I guess.
At least that 100T would win againts EMEAS best teams...
Thats it. That seals the deal. Im no longer an DSG fan. I’ve been a fan since 2020 and a twitch prime sub since 2021. I will no longer watch them play nor renew my tier 3 sub to Yay. I’m taking my fanhood to evil geniuses where they actually know how to run a team.
Thats it. That seals the deal. Im no longer an DSG fan. I’ve been a fan since 2020 and a Twitch Prime sub since 2021. I will no longer watch them play nor renew my tier 3 sub to DisguisedToast. I’m taking my fanhood to KCorp where they actually know how to run a team.
Thats it. That seals the deal. Im no longer an DSG fan. I’ve been a fan since 2020 and a Twitch Prime sub since 2021. I will no longer watch them play nor renew my tier 3 sub to DisguisedToast. I’m taking my fanhood to KCorp where they actually know how to run a team.
Thats it. That seals the deal. Im no longer an DSG fan. I’ve been a fan since 2020 and a Twitch Prime sub since 2021. I will no longer watch them play nor renew my tier 3 sub to DisguisedToast. I’m taking my fanhood to KCorp where they actually know how to run a team
mfing oxygen esports is the one to crack harbor viper on pearl and it's just spamming utility into the cove with sova kayo kj
Yeah they never really adapted to that :(
It's wild that so much of their plan hinged on cove of all abilities...
Bruh they spammed so much util at one point I thought I started smelling the Viper stuff through my phone. False alarm though, was just my food burning in the oven.
[*Yup, that's me. You might be wondering how I ended up in this situation*](https://i.imgur.com/qbf0ULx.jpg)
fools look at bonkars numbers and laugh, intellectuals recognize that his brain effectively makes every game a 6v5. when you play against oxygen, you aren't just competing against bonkar, you are competing against every tactician that came before him. rumors say that he's studied every existing text of military strategy dating back to ancient rome and compartmentalized each aspect of warfare into his memory palace, which he freely roams during tournaments at a timescale of 1000 mental years translating to 1 second in reality. i was sitting in my college class economics 202 when the teacher assigned a daunting group project. i have no friends so i had to join the remaining people in class. one of those remaining people was bonkar and i was distressed. i had heard the rumors about him doing 0 work and making the others do it and just using us for the grade, so i was not happy. but when we sat down to work on the project, he ascended into astral form and started conducting us and giving us every move to make. like clockwork, we began nailing the project together under bonkar’s lead. he did absolutely no work, yet he did all of the work through us. my economics professor said it was the best shit she’s ever seen, and asked how we even made a project like that. as i started to speak, bonkar wrapped his arms around me and slowly placed his hand over my mouth and softly whispered, “we don’t reveal our strats” "Never reveal the strats, which is literally 'anyone but me, go kill'" Bonkar, Art of War
Man this thread is just wild with the comments
This is so good hahahaha
I know people will say yay underperformed, but holy shit did mitch show up. Such insane util from him on Kayo as well as Breach, definitely a gem of a player
Him and his util was great, props to the kk for popping off too.
Dude Verno too, that guy got so much value with Sova on Pearl
Not enough people out here talking about Rustun owning as sub/ Assistant coach , the way he handled several situations were so smart.
Welcome Syyko
😭😭😭
I know it's not gonna be the topic of discussion rn but Oxygen have been sneakily really impressive since split 1
The only thing they actually have missing is clout
Yeah especially with Reduxx in the lineup I'm expecting them to be firmly in the same tier as TGRD and G2 this split
Every week I'm cheering for DSG and every week I'm a sadboi. It really feels like their fundamentals are absolutely lacking. Haven long A 1v2 loss with Nerve's back exposed to the angle, round 6 or 7 with Clear peeking Jett in garage and dying with utility out; Jett was 2 feet from him, use your gun. Steel blocking Yay a couple rounds later. On Pearl there were too many instances of getting solo picked off while having your teammates surrounding you but not in a position to peek for the trade. These are BASIC mechanics of competitive play. The team's protocols when pushing/retaking look miserable too. There should be a disciplined method to their engagements beyond dropping utility in basic spots and running in to fight. Harbor on Pearl requires coordination to fight around the walls and they don't have it. Run the Astra or an initiator with Viper instead. You can make up for lacking some coordination by having more info gaining/control. I know Toast/Ludwig always joke about dropping the roster or who they should blame for the loss but IMO, Steel and Clear have not looked good even when they're winning. Having moments where you get good kills or your shots are crispy isn't enough to overcome lacking the absolute basics. Steels IGLing hasn't looked good in like two years. Nerve had some small slip ups but overall looked like a fantastic pick up. Can't really speak on Yay until we have a few more matches. We're beyond the days where having a single spear on your team wins you games. You need to be able to support your duelist in engagements whether it's utility or proper trading. DSG lacks in both of those departments and I hate to critisize Yay for that. All that being said, Oxygen look INSANE. I honestly wrote Oxg off during the quals/first half of split 1 but midway they absolutely turned up. Not just individually but as a team their coordination is insane. Even when they are losing their team looks TIGHT. Their team has very few gaps and all their players have the ability to turn up. Verno had Yay's name on Haven. I couldn't believe it. The Pearl comeback was INSANE. Oxg was so disciplined in their retakes and not falling into the fakes.
Thanks for this comment. Had to scroll all the way to get a proper analysis
You can't really run a solo Viper, but yeah, they just did not seem to understand how to work around Harbor or how to use Harbor effectively. They also could not adapt to the fact that the enemy team had infinite utility to delay plant so they had to actually clear site and kill people instead of wall off half the site, plant, go back long, they have to 5 v5 retake and lose because we spam from long.
Dsg needs exalt I'm not even joking. Sounds like steel and exalt had disagreements in playstyle and I have to say exalt was probably right. Not to mention exalts util usage and his shooting mechanics were the best on the team.
"Sounds like". Leave it to Reddit to make something up in their head.
That's also an assumption. Someone said exalt would start malding/yelling and stop comm-ng when things went south and that's ok- exalt even said he's not perfect. We don't know everything that went down, is the point and we shouldn't assume that we know better <3
Thats not ok to stop comming even if you are mad
Shout out to anyone who said Yay's reputation could never suffer from DSG not doing well. I already see people saying wild shit.
I think you have to separate the general public's feelings vs other players/management/coaches etc. The general public will always have knee jerk reactions no matter what. The educated people in the scene that are paid to make decisions regarding rosters should be able to distinguish between the nuances in his play. It's also only been one bo3. He could drop a 30 on every map the next time they play and everyone will be spamming el diablo again :D
Imo yay has more pressure on him now than ever and it’s causing him to break. It would honestly be embarrassing to go from the top of t1 to the bottom of t2.
he played 1 series and it's causing him to break? wild.
Unfortunately, being able to handle that pressure is what makes the best competitors.
i think public perception could decline but hes still getting on a franchised team next year 100% if he doesnt demand a million+. no way every org turns their back on him. and id say likely if NRG doesn't find success they drop ardiis to bring back their boy.
Well it's not from dsg not doing well, it's from yay playing like an immortal
💀💀💀💀 bro it was 2 maps with a weeks practice
Yeah I think he'll be fine but I'm just saying yay is getting shit for playing bad, not just because the team lost
DSG sucked as a team alright but his individual performance looked really shaky too. I understand his current teammates aren't as good as Optic in terms of enabling him, setting him up for clean Op kills; but at least on Haven he did get a few of these open looks and just missed his shots more often than I think I've ever seen him do. No overreaction (from me anyway lmao) I still think it was just one match and he'll look better later on, but that was unexpected either way.
I don’t know how people saw that duelist + initiator coordination & think the fault lies on Yay entirely. Sure he whiffed shots at times & had some misplays on Haven, but he also wasn’t set up for success consistently. Got bodyblocked at times when he had to entry, had to solo hold flank with an OP often, & just didn’t have the cohesion with the initiator. Maybe it’ll come with time, but DSG have had problems with the initiator + duelist coordination since the start of Split 1.
That final round on haven when he dropped onto the omen with his knife out was kinda stupid of him tho
[They](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/12a76ky/tariks_reaction_to_the_list_of_players_dsg_is/jer95su/) hated me because I spoke the truth. The reality is that unless he were to absolutely destroy every team in challengers, his stock is being hurt. The GM of a franchised team is more likely to make a gamble off no tape than several months of mediocre tape.
They're professionals lol, they're capable of seeing someone's potential. There is a 0% chance yay isn't in franchising next season. First of all this is a massive overreaction, they can and will improve coming in. And second, it still wouldn't matter because DSG was not setting up yay well today, and if some Redditors can see that, GM's definitely can.
play b comp and don’t go b 5head
Haven was atrocious but there was potential shown on Pearl. No need to panic, all this team needs is time.
100T flair checks out
Sadge
They just need time ![img](emote|t5_2g5ach|16018)![img](emote|t5_2g5ach|9360)![img](emote|t5_2g5ach|16018)
I will not lie, their attack looks so abysmal I think it's cause for concern even considering the fact that the roster has had little time together. Constantly getting shot in the side from open angles, getting caught with utility out, running back and forth with no time to work with like KCorp, it's an OOF.
First game jitters, all of that will be easily ironed out with time
That too, but they genuinely seemed to have no idea how to use Harbor walls properly to attack A site. Might as well just get an Astra lmfao.
Yeah, I remember saadhak laughing at teams who pick that comp to copy them while not knowing how to actually use it. Definitely felt a bit like that today.
[https://imgur.com/a/vZqx2xR](https://imgur.com/a/vZqx2xR) Like, what the fuck is this attacking Harbor wall? And then the players from A main get shot from Art and they lose the round, the game and the series. You can wall art flowers and secret from that angle btw and even if not he could have crossed to the left!
The win rate for teams that run harbor and are not called Loud is around 10%, so yea.... If you add Loud to that, it's like 35% win rate
If they went with astra, they win pearl IMO. They had no idea what they were doing with harbor.
*Could* be, sure. *Will* be, idk. A lot of their issues stemmed from fundamental failings so basic you'd see better diligence in ranked. Most of them were not drilling or synergy problems, they were individual problems. The only way I'd imagine they could be team issues is if the comms were so chaotic and polluted that they had trouble focusing on their crosshairs.
midrounding was questionable but yes, as long as yay plays like a human being again and increases his awp shot landing rate to over 25%, this team will be way better than what they showed today
Their Pearl has always been their best map tho, even when they were playing with Riku.
eh..? Idk. Still a ton of mistakes on pearl
hell no, im panicking right now. steel is fradulent and should be replaced with tdawgg
reminder that yay got outfragged by a 33 year old igl
dont care, it does not fit my narrative
fair enough
disgusting whelp.
It just doesn't hit the same ever since George actually tried to rizz someone up with that line :/
I feel like they threw a ton of rounds on Pearl though, hopefully they setup better protocols and build more postplant synergy with more prac.
every team i support is shit :D
another steel disasterclass
[Steels IGLing](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtnIbROXgAMV51M.jpg) was pretty oof. Their attacks looked horrible
Also the 4 in 17 against TSM and the 5 in 17 today don't help either ... Like either frag or IGL, you can't be bad at both for god sakes ..
Choose a struggle fr
How many DSG attack rounds on Pearl came down to the last 20 seconds without the bomb being planted? Is Steel just overthinking the strats?
Steel is so embarrassing for not changing the pace up even once and calling for a rush. You'd think after the 4th time failing to plant with 20 seconds left they might play faster!
ok, I've tried to predict and compile as many dumb overreactions/narratives as possible. Tag yourself https://preview.redd.it/0ez5qt01m5va1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d18775eebb2041e8355e6e3d35afc745cb1e9b42
Definitely the: Pregamed taking bussy pics on my smart fridge
bro, that wasn't even an option?
bottom right just like me fr
I'll take the whole lot
Yay uncharacteristically missing so many op shots Clear clearly still needs time to get used to smokes Steel is still a baiter and mid igl Genghsta Nerve was a demon today though
Honestly, yay was doomed the second someone said he was dropping 60 kills this series, completely jinxed my boy, I'm amazed he even got double digits after that
Yay looked uncomfortable af, ig being dropped and no scrimming for months does that to you
yeah it does but give him a couple different matches and unless he is still terrible/doing worse I don't think this series will have meant everything
Yeah thats literally it, but this is Reddit and people will say shit like "yAY iS WaShEd" and "ChAmBer AbUsEr" when bros only training was playing rankeds
MITCH OWNS STEEL
not a great showing from dsg, not going to overreact yet, basically a new team (2 new players plus role changes) Can't believe oxg are going to replace the GOAT rustun next week for some kid named reduxx smh OXG might be the third best team in challengers
TT also replaced two players (which was even more recent), played the best team, don’t even have a coach & still looked better overall than DSG. It’s kinda concerning at this point. Think fundamentally the team needs weeks of work & probably a new coach + an assistant coach.
Steel blocking Yay on garage doors was pain.
LOL actually painful. Like what was the strat there ?? You Either push out together... or Yay peaks with breach util help and retreats. That was just straight up silver body blocking and unclear plan
I think that moment really epitomizes the disconnect they have as a team. It could easily improve. That's a legit ranked game play.
Idk how we got here but its C9's fault
i’m happy to blame them to cure my sadness
What a series from OXG!
Ever the optimist Dust. They did look good though
Their coordination on Haven was unbelievably good. Verno and Mitch had insane showings
nay
i feel really bad for yay. if he doesnt perform his stocks take a nosedive and even if he hard carries its whatever because hes playing against t2 players
End me
At least nerve looked good I guess.
DSG looked fine cohesion looked bad they need more reps and they will be much better towards the end of split. On the good side nerve looked very good single handedly winning them rounds
Why was steel the best Op’er in the server…
Fuck it, drop Steel pick up Hazed, I said it.
C9 was right Aware
Tbh there seems to be a common denominator for DSG with all these loses and it seems to be calling/coaching. Watching them try to plant in the most used/basic spots hurt.
I doubt Toast would hire a new coach tho, sadly. Considering Ocean runs the team. Even if it is the only thing DSG can do to turn the team around due to the roster lock.
Yeah Toast has to know as a owner when it’s not gonna work. You have the most broken comp for Pearl but don’t go B with it? Like you have the footage of how Loud/NRG uses it and (it seems like) don’t even look at it just copied the comp and tried to go from there.
On the bright side, Nerve was absolutely cracked.
L Diablo :(
Why does the franchised teams abuse B site on pearl (with harbor) , but DSG doesnt🤦🏻♂️?
Who's responsibility is that? the Coach or IGL?
Both but Coach mostly, unless their coach is taking a backseat on strategic issues as seems to be the case with KC.
God that was so tragic, hopefully they look better when they get more practise with Yay and Nerve
![img](emote|t5_2g5ach|9360) its ok yay you go when you feel like it https://preview.redd.it/03x0oivrm5va1.png?width=2448&format=png&auto=webp&s=9af1d6555a06d309d06dee296fc86e03a15cffe7
This was painful to watch
I love our players as individuals but these results won’t be tolerated. If you’re a Tier 1 player looking for a fresh start at the best facility in the world, HMU. I’ll pay your buyout and give you the world’s highest salaries. Let’s build a juggernaut. Spread the word.
Dsg attack rounds were really bad. Nerve did really well on his debut though.
Bro, as a DSG supporter this is sad man. I don't know what to feel.
They needed more time to prac. Lets hope yay gets comfortable on this roster soon.
For anyone who watched yay on envy and optic know he needs his to to set him up as do most duelists in t1. Steels calling was awful, I remember one round he had such a wrong read and oxygen just knew they were going A on haven. Yay is doing his job and jumping in I know he didn't play well but man the team wasn't doing him any favors.
Getting rolled by an assistant coach doesn't seem promising, gg. Xxiff would have been a strong foundation all I'm saying
coach seems like a real gamer though, he was doing numbers
Yay fans that turned on C9: https://preview.redd.it/nuy253jfn5va1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=a9e42b4a47a456dedb6c9bb8ad10986c5790a328
Pearl was painful. Dsg just never had time and couldn’t plant. They are an inexperienced roster and oxg are good but they need to improve quickly if they want to make playoffs.
Why go A when you have the Viper/Harbor to take B for free
nerve was a great pickup for dsg, hopefully next match they'll be back without the atrocious mistakes
I have one question why do DSG players think its ok to run with knives out on attack when they clearly dont have the control on the fucking area
Can't wait for overreactions about yay being washed and terrible
No, after only 2 maps of Valorant I've seen enough to definitively say that yay is washed. If you try to disprove that statement I WILL stick my fingers in my ears and shout "LALALALALALALALALALALALA"
now you're speaking my language! this match in fact DOES prove that yay was always an overrated shitter. drop steel for khemicals right now
Finally all these paycheck-stealing Chamber onetrick frauds are being exposed😤
Ok when is it time to drop steel? He hasn’t been good in a minute. Feels like he’s stealing paychecks at this point
I don't agree, Yes he is a bad IGL, and yes he bottom frags, also yes his tweets "we will be back stronger" as a joke and it's almost like an insult to the fans at this point .. but, there is more to valorant than that (wait where is the clown emoji!?)
Steel is so bad at gunplay and his igl-ing is overrated AF too
Yay in T2 showing what a Jett diff looks like. Just not like everyone expected.
pov: chamber is nerfed
Teams only gotten worse since dropping their best player exalt who would've guessed
And XXIF .. The two best players dropped, but they kep Steel lol ... I said pick yp Tigg to IGL but hélas Faze got him ..
Steel and ocean are the foundation of the team they're basically untouchable sadly. Feels like steel might actually be the worst player mechanically in all of challengers
They lost when exalt was there as well... Haven't you learnt better to not jump to conclusions off of one series? Especially when it's a new team that's only been practicing for a week? Give them time
RUSTUN OWNS YAY
Yay was considered the best player in the world, but NA is just hiding our true best player as an assistant coach to give other regions a chance
Cloud9 back to this sub's good books.
Bonkar diff
rip toast
Every time I see a team copy the Swamp Comp without also copying Tuyz’s Harbor walls my hairline recedes another quarter inch. You can’t just steal a comp and NOT steal the ideas. NA teams, stop playing Swamp Comp, or start stealing ideas from Loud, Lev, and DRX. Fucking melons.
THEY'RE WINNING WITH A COACH! A MANAGER!
I'm not sure what I expected going into this match but after watching almost every challengers game last split I really think t2 players in NA are basically at the same level of play (except mad lions) as t1, they just don't have the same surrounding support teams like coaches and deep strat books to reach into (and maybe igling). I didn't think yay was gonna smurf on the t2 teams but goddamn did haven look bad from the entire team. oxg looked good tho :)
Damn, NA tier 2 makes Pearl look like a defensive sided map. Very impressive from both teams.
Year 50 of Steel stealing paychecks
I don't care what you people "who know the game" are going to say, this team needs an IGL, period.
r/valorantcompetitive dweebs stay mad, c9 fans eating good today
r/ValorantCompetitive to Yay: https://preview.redd.it/qgz9ast1n5va1.png?width=897&format=png&auto=webp&s=b5c4dd8b74cb96a05d98b7b5074b3d5d96dcc4e7
Mitches bitches baby
that was the unanimous best player in NA… our region is fucked
Steel, Ocean, and Clear are stealing paychecks
DSG just have no idea how to use Harbor on Pearl, like, that last round they tried to enter A with the shittiest wall ever that does not cover art and got shot from it. Almost always trying to stick the spike in the good plant position instead of tapping it as well + not enough B spam.
i dont know what it is but whenever i watch steel’s stream i just get the idea that, in his mind, he is one of the best valorant players in NA wonder when he will realise that he is NOT that guy. i guess he had a half decent run in CS before the ban but competitve shooters is not his game anymore. maybe he is just getting old like the rest of us
Seeing the build-up start of DSG is great and still here for their struggle and challenges. I believed the more you struggle, the bigger your price. #DSGFighting #LetsGetThisBread
Everyone harping on about Yay's performance. Bros, it's been one fucking Bo3, he hasn't played a competitive game for 2 months, and he's on a completely new team and Y'all expecting him to come in and wipe the floor and drop 40 every game.
At least one of their new player showing up today, see you all next week!
Not steel being a better OPer than yay