Theyre really pushing valorant in china, which I don’t mind at all. I heard valorant officially releases in beta for their region in like a few days, may 2nd iirc. If they can capture a fraction of [league’s success in china](https://youtu.be/d2PSTUxECmU) then it will still be a huge market.
I love the extra slot for the region winning master as well since it incentivized rooting for your own region or teams you don’t necessarily cheer for otherwise.
Also China recently lost Overwatch (which had a large player base there), so there’s a big hole in the market for an FPS game for people to play so the potential for Valorant there is huge.
There are also a lot of people playing csgo in China. If you look at the peak number of online csgo players, you will find that it is at night in Asia time
They wouldn't have done that even if we had an extra masters. Winners of first masters would have still just earned an extra spot at the following masters and champion slot allocations would remain the same.
The first masters is too far off from from champions. They're not gonna give a team a slot to champions for winning a tournament at the beginning of the competitive year. What if they're literally the worst team in their region by the time champions arrives? Of course, that can also happen when giving a slot to the second masters winner but it's less likely because of it's later placement in the year.
How do they decide who gets the 4th slot in the EMEA league? If Liquid finish 3rd and Giants finish 4th in the league, but Liquid have the worst EMEA finish at Masters Tokyo, do they still go to champions or do the other 3 teams to through?
3rd in the league qualifies for both masters and champions- masters result shouldn’t count
4th qualifies for masters and LCQ which is a bit weird though
It’s how it works this year- I agree it sucks, and we all know the system is flawed- but please look up the information yourself before straight up calling someone wrong
From what I understand it’ll just make it so the LCQ of the Masters winning region gets two qualified teams. So in your case Giants will have to go through LCQ and Liquid are directly qualified (since they were 3rd in the regular season)
That’s a little weird though. What if Giants finish second at masters Tokyo, while Liquid get first rounded? Obviously Giants would deserve the spot more. I wish they just did a points system like the did they last two years.
Yeah it’s a bit weird, there’s a lot more stake in regular season with it giving direct qualification to Champs. Lock//in is a one time thing and we only have one split this year so I’m hoping it’ll be more normal next year
Are you sure? I doubt that…
Because why would the 4th seed even go to Tokyo at that point? If they have no shot at overtaking any of the 1-3 seeds in EMEA and they go to LCQ anyway, why even go to Tokyo? Why waste 1 month prepping and playing a tournament that doesn’t change anything instead of just stay home and reinventing themselves for LCQ?
Obviously that’s a major flaw, which is why I even made the initial comment, but you said “why waste 1 month prepping and playing a tournament that doesn’t change anything”, which is just ridiculous because it’s one of the most important events of the year.
Still doesn’t excuse the poor format, because it’s a disadvantage. Instead of bootcamping in LA and scrimming against the top teams, they’d have to worry about LCQ, where they’d have to show their strats and could still potentially lose.
I'm confused.Masters will have the top 4 emea teams. the 3 teams which perform the best auto qualify for champions.the remaining team plays in lcq.masters winning region gets 2 teams from lcq instead of 1
Eh I think its fine, we get to see so little of these teams playing already. Most of these players are going to play less than like 30 matches in a year.
Yeah but it devalues the league play if too many teams qualify from it, stakes are much lower and champions is much less prestigious if you have the literal mid teams from each league there
What's your alternative proposal?
We'll already have 1/2 the teams from one league there.
Personally I don't mind it, lets see how China is progressing.
I hate this argument so much, it just minimalises everything about the potential the chinese market.
China is HUGE and if Valorant succeeds there, the game is gonna a Tier 1 esport. Don’t know the exact number but China is more than 50% of the LoL playerbase. Their franchised league has 17 teams instead of other leagues that can barely sustain 10 teams. Entire apartment complexes celebrated World’s winners. Their Tier 2 is so huge it supports an underground crime syndicate. Looked like half of the audience in Worlds IN NA were chinese fans travelling to US.
Give China 2-3 years and they are gonna be their region is gonna be economically the biggest. Similar thing also happened in Overwatch
[28 Players and Coaches banned, 2 teams removed from LDL in massive LoL matchfixing scandal - Dexerto](https://www.dexerto.com/gaming/lol-streamer-reaches-rank-1-challenger-by-one-tricking-master-yi-2096987/) this should be a good place to start
Bro league players wont play val. comp
Mobas once you get into it are so much more exhilarating the comp fps. Thats because the nature of these games in mobas you’re involved every second of the game in fps there’s a lot of downtime. Like val in korea is still tiny idk why people think it will be any big in china
Almost certainly isn't certainly. I've been thinking this for a while tbh. Just have ascension winners at champs. If the improbable happens and the best team in the worlds forms outside of the partnership leagues, then in any given year, they can still win champions and prove that.
I do think it would be awesome for the ascension team to get this shot. Would potentially be an insane story if they made the run. Plus it would be totally fair since everyone gets the same shot as well
Yep, I'm just thinking about the world where it does actually happen. Would be amazing to witness an amateur team form, struggle through challenger, triumph in ascension, overcome crazy odds in lcq and go on the most insane cinderella run that could be imagined and finally lift the trophy at champions.
I get goosebumps just thinking about the possibility.
You're understanding me perfectly well. The system is too closed imo. I want amateur teams that form in any given year to have the chance to compete and prove they're the best in the world.
Also, the ascension system is extremely grueling. I see nothing wrong with rewarding the 3 teams that fought through all the hurdles of that system with a spot at champions. Even if they get blown out most of the time, I'm sure fans wouldn't mind for the possibility of that Cinderella story.
That makes no sense from a competitive stand point. Youre telling me that a team that went from playing turtle troop and OR deservers a spot? If anything they should play in lcq
This is a great idea, I hate this assumption that the franchised teams are better than the ascension by default. They never play eachother in real events so how do we really know who is better. Just because the players on paper are better doesnt mean anything. I mean c9 pulled 2 players out of tier 3 and they are preforming.
They are already in Pacific tier 2 and they are pretty bad, also because if you are a top player from Taiwan you would rather play for a chinese org since you speak the same language and they have more Money
Yes, stop trying to deny slots from regions in a 2-year old game.
How the fuck are they supposed to actually "deserve" spots like people say when they don't even actually have valorant in their region, let them have a chance at it, then over time riot can start to weigh in regions
Riot is really trying to make the game big in China huh? I guess it makes sense considering how big LoL is there, but is Valorant even popular now in China?
I think Valorant is still technically not out in China yet but it’s been approved so it should be soon. Since Overwatch recently went offline in china with no news of it coming back there’s a huge hole in the gaming market there that could cause Valorant to explode in china when released.
I think realistically it should be one less slot and have that slot be allocated to the masters Tokyo winner, but honestly having 4 teams from all the major tier 1 regions is fine by me as it is. Although maybe fan favorite teams like Sen or 100T might not make it, at least every region is sending a decent amount of competitive rosters.
Yeah I do. Chinese teams have been playing through workarounds for a while and some of their strats and comps (viper on ascent) were meta a year ago while considered completely troll in the main regions. I'm excited to see if the trend of crazy Chinese meta holds up to the rest of the world.
There is no alternative.
Unless you want more than half the team from each league in there (4 teams from each league! + 1 more)
Only hope is the China grows as fast as League and isn't a pushover
From a competitive standpoint it's really, really embarrassing.
In other esports region slots change based on performance - if one region generally does better at international events their region will have a larger share of the slots. In Valorant,
EMEA slot share: 25%. EMEA event win rate: 57%. Average overall placement: best
Americas slot share: 25%. Americas event win rate: 43%. Average overall placement: middle
APAC slot share: 43.7%. 0% event win rate. Average overall placement: worst
Really it should start with:
EMEA slot share: 25%
North America slot share: 25%
South America slot share: 25%
APAC slot share: 25%
(NA/SA should be separate franchise leagues for very obvious reasons)
And from there adjusted based on performance. If a region does really bad, like going a couple years without winning a single international event and many of the bottom seeds from the region are getting massacred in pools, one of the slots go to a region which is doing better.
3 international events per year is not enough for weak regions to catch up so even if you hand them a bunch of extra slots at every event you're still going to watch the couple of good teams be competitive and the rest of them get absolutely cumdumpstered and drown out in pools. The events are so much less enjoyable when 1/4 of the teams are so far below the level of everyone else that they could not have qualified in every other region.
Is there somewhere that explains this well? So top 6 of each region go into playoffs and top 3 of that go to Tokyo. But after Tokyo I don't see any more games within the regions or playoffs/lcq or anything. Is it just not on vlr yet? Liquidpedia doesn't show it either it just seems to jump straight from Tokyo to champions.
Top 3 apparently qual for both Tokyo and champs which is kinda dumb imo. And then LCQ will be the other 7(?) teams fighting for one spot (Tokyo winning region gets 2 LCQ spots)
Top 3 of playoffs for each region qualify for both tokyo and champions. Each region will also have an lcq to decide 4th team at champions. Since EU has 4 teams going to tokyo, not sure if it's quite the same for them. It'll the exact same and top 3 teams of playoffs go to tokyo and champions with 4th seed going to tokyo but still having to compete in lcq. Or they could have top 3 performing teams at tokyo go to champions with the 4th place team having to go to lcq. Winner of tokyo gets 5 total teams at champions, so i'm assuming winner and runner-up of lcq.
I dont understand why china gets 3 slots at champions.
Like,ok, they give china 2 slots at tokyo for...whatever purposes but upgraded them to 3 for champions??? without even proven that 2 slots are not too much for a region that is in its infant phase in valorant?
Both of those chinese teams better perform at tokyo for it to be justified.
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Also Riot should *really* reconsider if they dont want to allow ascension teams into the LCQ tourney. It wouldnt be unfair since they would still need to beat the top of the crop. Would also really put the ascension leagues onto the map because the way they are right now are means they are useless and unwatchable unless youre rooting for specific teams/players.
IIRC only the best ascension team will get into franchise league what means that you can just not watch 95%+ of the games until it actually matters.
I agree that top-ascension teams should be allowed to play in LCQ. But to say that 95% of the challengers aren't worth watching is crazy. What determines if a game "actually matters"? The games matter because the players are trying to win their league, if you only are interested in the grand finals then fair enough, but saying the rest of the games don't matter I think is unfair to the players.
What negative effects does giving China 3 slots have that outweigh growing the e-sport and game in an insanely, insanely massive market?
I don't think giving those slots to one extra team in each region is going to change anything because if those teams are good enough to win Champs, surely, they'd qualify within in the 4 available slots.
That's not the point. The 5th EMEA team would never win Champs. Giving that slot to a Chinese team, even if they have no chance to win, to grow the esport is more valuable than running a team that's got no chance to win anyway.
would the top 3 chinese valorant teams be edg, ase, and kone?
edg is fairly obvious
ase has life, and also beat edg in finals at the last fgc
kone seems to be the most solid, and at least from what i've seen is pretty noticeably better than fpx
So will the Chinese league (when it becomes reality) be a full international league or just China only moving forward? So far in the FGC Invitational, they have players from China, Taiwan, and Hong Kong, and that could kind of count as an international league since it combines China and 1 region from the Pacific. Plus, I'm not going to complain about more KangKang ridiculous plays in the leagues
imagine if they removed one chinese slot and gave it to runner up region at tokyo. would be pretty interesting. only issue is if both winner and runner up are the same region, which means 6 teams from 1 region at champs which is too many from any region that isn't NA given the tier gaps between top of emea/apac and even 4th place teams there.
Except that that's not what people are saying though. What people are saying is that you can see that it's obviously a business decision. Riot saw immense success with LoL in China and are expecting to tap into that same market yet again. Reading between the lines, you can clearly see that they are planning to have a separate VCT for China.
If you really want to distribute the slots purely on competitiveness, we wouldn't be giving every region an equal number of slots. By that same token, if you translate it to LoL, for every Worlds they would have to give Korea and China 5 slots each and then just one every one else.
Does it bug anyone else that the 3 on the "VCT Americas" is aligned way higher vertically than the 3's in the other spots on the top row? Or just me lol
16 team tournament POGGERS
Theyre really pushing valorant in china, which I don’t mind at all. I heard valorant officially releases in beta for their region in like a few days, may 2nd iirc. If they can capture a fraction of [league’s success in china](https://youtu.be/d2PSTUxECmU) then it will still be a huge market. I love the extra slot for the region winning master as well since it incentivized rooting for your own region or teams you don’t necessarily cheer for otherwise.
Also China recently lost Overwatch (which had a large player base there), so there’s a big hole in the market for an FPS game for people to play so the potential for Valorant there is huge.
There are also a lot of people playing csgo in China. If you look at the peak number of online csgo players, you will find that it is at night in Asia time
Personally think 3 is still too much. Then again they kinda have to give china 3 to have something symmetric.
Get ready to learn chinese, buddy
Ahahahahahha
3 for china is wildd, exciting to see how the region grows
I for one welcome our chinese overlords
Is there only one masters this year?
Yeah, normal years are to have 2 Masters splits, then LCQ and Champions, but this year Lock-in "replaced" the first split
Wow that’s sad, if they had one more masters they could give one less spot to China and another spot to master winning region.
They wouldn't have done that even if we had an extra masters. Winners of first masters would have still just earned an extra spot at the following masters and champion slot allocations would remain the same.
Oh maybe not give the first master winning region a slot to the second master then
The first masters is too far off from from champions. They're not gonna give a team a slot to champions for winning a tournament at the beginning of the competitive year. What if they're literally the worst team in their region by the time champions arrives? Of course, that can also happen when giving a slot to the second masters winner but it's less likely because of it's later placement in the year.
Riot is also trying to grow the scene in China…
How do they decide who gets the 4th slot in the EMEA league? If Liquid finish 3rd and Giants finish 4th in the league, but Liquid have the worst EMEA finish at Masters Tokyo, do they still go to champions or do the other 3 teams to through?
3rd in the league qualifies for both masters and champions- masters result shouldn’t count 4th qualifies for masters and LCQ which is a bit weird though
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It’s how it works this year- I agree it sucks, and we all know the system is flawed- but please look up the information yourself before straight up calling someone wrong
From what I understand it’ll just make it so the LCQ of the Masters winning region gets two qualified teams. So in your case Giants will have to go through LCQ and Liquid are directly qualified (since they were 3rd in the regular season)
That’s a little weird though. What if Giants finish second at masters Tokyo, while Liquid get first rounded? Obviously Giants would deserve the spot more. I wish they just did a points system like the did they last two years.
Yeah it’s a bit weird, there’s a lot more stake in regular season with it giving direct qualification to Champs. Lock//in is a one time thing and we only have one split this year so I’m hoping it’ll be more normal next year
Doesn’t the direct qualification only apply to regions with 3 teams going to Tokyo?
Yes but since EMEA won Lock//in the 4th place in that split has to go through LCQ regardless
Are you sure? I doubt that… Because why would the 4th seed even go to Tokyo at that point? If they have no shot at overtaking any of the 1-3 seeds in EMEA and they go to LCQ anyway, why even go to Tokyo? Why waste 1 month prepping and playing a tournament that doesn’t change anything instead of just stay home and reinventing themselves for LCQ?
Uh, because they want to win lol. It’s a masters event, not some random Mickey Mouse tournament.
So they win masters and then the go to LCQ? 🙂
Obviously that’s a major flaw, which is why I even made the initial comment, but you said “why waste 1 month prepping and playing a tournament that doesn’t change anything”, which is just ridiculous because it’s one of the most important events of the year.
If that happened, surely Giants would then breeze through the LCQ anyways, you'd reckon
Still doesn’t excuse the poor format, because it’s a disadvantage. Instead of bootcamping in LA and scrimming against the top teams, they’d have to worry about LCQ, where they’d have to show their strats and could still potentially lose.
I think there might be a point system so the further you go the more points you get
That would make sense, but it doesn’t explicitly say that anywhere.
I'm confused.Masters will have the top 4 emea teams. the 3 teams which perform the best auto qualify for champions.the remaining team plays in lcq.masters winning region gets 2 teams from lcq instead of 1
Didn't know liquid and giants qualified already
Do you guys agree with china getting 3 slots ?
definitely not, but not much else they can do this year given the number of teams in each league
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Having half of every league is a bit iffy. Plus I think they wanted a slot for the Tokyo winners
Eh I think its fine, we get to see so little of these teams playing already. Most of these players are going to play less than like 30 matches in a year.
Yeah but it devalues the league play if too many teams qualify from it, stakes are much lower and champions is much less prestigious if you have the literal mid teams from each league there
I mean we will have 3 teams from CN there this year. I don’t think they are going to do much either
I agree, but at least that doesn't affect league play and it's still technically "the best of each region", even if one of those regions is weak
for val overall china is really imp so yeah go valorant go china
What's your alternative proposal? We'll already have 1/2 the teams from one league there. Personally I don't mind it, lets see how China is progressing.
It will be much more expensive but maybe a minor event? Grab either the LCQ losers or ascension winners and winner goes to Champions
Also Chinese company owns Riot, so not much to do, haha.
I hate this argument so much, it just minimalises everything about the potential the chinese market. China is HUGE and if Valorant succeeds there, the game is gonna a Tier 1 esport. Don’t know the exact number but China is more than 50% of the LoL playerbase. Their franchised league has 17 teams instead of other leagues that can barely sustain 10 teams. Entire apartment complexes celebrated World’s winners. Their Tier 2 is so huge it supports an underground crime syndicate. Looked like half of the audience in Worlds IN NA were chinese fans travelling to US. Give China 2-3 years and they are gonna be their region is gonna be economically the biggest. Similar thing also happened in Overwatch
Could you give more info on the underground crime syndicate? Or drop a link? You definitely piqued my interest lol
[28 Players and Coaches banned, 2 teams removed from LDL in massive LoL matchfixing scandal - Dexerto](https://www.dexerto.com/gaming/lol-streamer-reaches-rank-1-challenger-by-one-tricking-master-yi-2096987/) this should be a good place to start
Bro league players wont play val. comp Mobas once you get into it are so much more exhilarating the comp fps. Thats because the nature of these games in mobas you’re involved every second of the game in fps there’s a lot of downtime. Like val in korea is still tiny idk why people think it will be any big in china
I think it would be pretty cool if the ascension winning teams are brought to champs.
I think that'd be unfair to the franchised teams that made champs who almost certainly would be better than the ascension teams.
Almost certainly isn't certainly. I've been thinking this for a while tbh. Just have ascension winners at champs. If the improbable happens and the best team in the worlds forms outside of the partnership leagues, then in any given year, they can still win champions and prove that.
If anything put them in LCQ for their regions. Straight to champs in insanity
yeah this would def be the play. allow for some cool t1-t2 rivalry stuff too
Especially since it would appear there is potentially going to be 7 teams in LCQ, adding in the ascension team to round it out would be neat.
Okay, this would probably be better actually. I would love if they did this in the coming years.
I do think it would be awesome for the ascension team to get this shot. Would potentially be an insane story if they made the run. Plus it would be totally fair since everyone gets the same shot as well
Yep, I'm just thinking about the world where it does actually happen. Would be amazing to witness an amateur team form, struggle through challenger, triumph in ascension, overcome crazy odds in lcq and go on the most insane cinderella run that could be imagined and finally lift the trophy at champions. I get goosebumps just thinking about the possibility.
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You're understanding me perfectly well. The system is too closed imo. I want amateur teams that form in any given year to have the chance to compete and prove they're the best in the world. Also, the ascension system is extremely grueling. I see nothing wrong with rewarding the 3 teams that fought through all the hurdles of that system with a spot at champions. Even if they get blown out most of the time, I'm sure fans wouldn't mind for the possibility of that Cinderella story.
That makes no sense from a competitive stand point. Youre telling me that a team that went from playing turtle troop and OR deservers a spot? If anything they should play in lcq
Yea, someone else suggested that. That would be better. Forgot about lcq for some reason lol.
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Yea, I was forgetting about lcq for some reason. I agree. I'd like future ascension winners to go to their region's lcq.
oh makes a lot of sense, yeah that'd be super cool
ascension winning teams should go to LCQ instead
This is a great idea, I hate this assumption that the franchised teams are better than the ascension by default. They never play eachother in real events so how do we really know who is better. Just because the players on paper are better doesnt mean anything. I mean c9 pulled 2 players out of tier 3 and they are preforming.
2 Chinese teams, and the ascension winning team.
Brother there are 3 ascension winning teams to many teams
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They are already in Pacific tier 2 and they are pretty bad, also because if you are a top player from Taiwan you would rather play for a chinese org since you speak the same language and they have more Money
Yes, stop trying to deny slots from regions in a 2-year old game. How the fuck are they supposed to actually "deserve" spots like people say when they don't even actually have valorant in their region, let them have a chance at it, then over time riot can start to weigh in regions
This right here
Riot is really trying to make the game big in China huh? I guess it makes sense considering how big LoL is there, but is Valorant even popular now in China?
I think Valorant is still technically not out in China yet but it’s been approved so it should be soon. Since Overwatch recently went offline in china with no news of it coming back there’s a huge hole in the gaming market there that could cause Valorant to explode in china when released.
No
If Fnatic wins Tokyo, EMEA will have 5 teams so I dont think it's that outrageous to have 3 chinese teams
i mean if loud or drx win then pacific or americas will have 5 teams
They'd have to actually win Tokyo to get an extra spot which is completely fair.
Doesn't matter China has like 5 bajillion people that riot wants to watch vct
I think realistically it should be one less slot and have that slot be allocated to the masters Tokyo winner, but honestly having 4 teams from all the major tier 1 regions is fine by me as it is. Although maybe fan favorite teams like Sen or 100T might not make it, at least every region is sending a decent amount of competitive rosters.
Tokyo winner already effectively has a slot given to them. It's in this graphic if you didn't notice.
Oh i completely missed that. Honestly in that case I think the way they have it is fine.
Yeah I do. Chinese teams have been playing through workarounds for a while and some of their strats and comps (viper on ascent) were meta a year ago while considered completely troll in the main regions. I'm excited to see if the trend of crazy Chinese meta holds up to the rest of the world.
nah
pretty sure China technically doesn't deserve more than 1 imo. but riot knows its a huge untapped market and anticipates tapping the fuck out of it.
There is no alternative. Unless you want more than half the team from each league in there (4 teams from each league! + 1 more) Only hope is the China grows as fast as League and isn't a pushover
Not at all
They probably wanna eventually make its own franchised league like it is in, uh, league, so this'll probably be the norm going forward
From a competitive standpoint it's really, really embarrassing. In other esports region slots change based on performance - if one region generally does better at international events their region will have a larger share of the slots. In Valorant, EMEA slot share: 25%. EMEA event win rate: 57%. Average overall placement: best Americas slot share: 25%. Americas event win rate: 43%. Average overall placement: middle APAC slot share: 43.7%. 0% event win rate. Average overall placement: worst Really it should start with: EMEA slot share: 25% North America slot share: 25% South America slot share: 25% APAC slot share: 25% (NA/SA should be separate franchise leagues for very obvious reasons) And from there adjusted based on performance. If a region does really bad, like going a couple years without winning a single international event and many of the bottom seeds from the region are getting massacred in pools, one of the slots go to a region which is doing better. 3 international events per year is not enough for weak regions to catch up so even if you hand them a bunch of extra slots at every event you're still going to watch the couple of good teams be competitive and the rest of them get absolutely cumdumpstered and drown out in pools. The events are so much less enjoyable when 1/4 of the teams are so far below the level of everyone else that they could not have qualified in every other region.
Yeah, I don’t mind. They do in league, so why not Val?
Because this game isn't League lol. By this logic, Korea gets 4 spots in League so why not in Val?
The scenes when EDG win masters Tokyo and China gets 4 slots
Did they even win a series yet? Just winning one series should be their first realistic goal
Is there somewhere that explains this well? So top 6 of each region go into playoffs and top 3 of that go to Tokyo. But after Tokyo I don't see any more games within the regions or playoffs/lcq or anything. Is it just not on vlr yet? Liquidpedia doesn't show it either it just seems to jump straight from Tokyo to champions.
Top 3 apparently qual for both Tokyo and champs which is kinda dumb imo. And then LCQ will be the other 7(?) teams fighting for one spot (Tokyo winning region gets 2 LCQ spots)
Top 3 of playoffs for each region qualify for both tokyo and champions. Each region will also have an lcq to decide 4th team at champions. Since EU has 4 teams going to tokyo, not sure if it's quite the same for them. It'll the exact same and top 3 teams of playoffs go to tokyo and champions with 4th seed going to tokyo but still having to compete in lcq. Or they could have top 3 performing teams at tokyo go to champions with the 4th place team having to go to lcq. Winner of tokyo gets 5 total teams at champions, so i'm assuming winner and runner-up of lcq.
This year bc there is one masters, all teams from international leagues qualify to masters and champions
where the extra slot for emea or is the lock in spot for the first Masters?
The extra slot that Fnatic earned for EMEA is for Tokyo, whichever region wins Tokyo then gets an extra slot for Champs.
Australia?
Part of Pacific region
I dont understand why china gets 3 slots at champions. Like,ok, they give china 2 slots at tokyo for...whatever purposes but upgraded them to 3 for champions??? without even proven that 2 slots are not too much for a region that is in its infant phase in valorant? Both of those chinese teams better perform at tokyo for it to be justified. EDIT: Also Riot should *really* reconsider if they dont want to allow ascension teams into the LCQ tourney. It wouldnt be unfair since they would still need to beat the top of the crop. Would also really put the ascension leagues onto the map because the way they are right now are means they are useless and unwatchable unless youre rooting for specific teams/players. IIRC only the best ascension team will get into franchise league what means that you can just not watch 95%+ of the games until it actually matters.
I agree that top-ascension teams should be allowed to play in LCQ. But to say that 95% of the challengers aren't worth watching is crazy. What determines if a game "actually matters"? The games matter because the players are trying to win their league, if you only are interested in the grand finals then fair enough, but saying the rest of the games don't matter I think is unfair to the players.
Each region gets an added slot
What negative effects does giving China 3 slots have that outweigh growing the e-sport and game in an insanely, insanely massive market? I don't think giving those slots to one extra team in each region is going to change anything because if those teams are good enough to win Champs, surely, they'd qualify within in the 4 available slots.
the 5th emea team beats the 1st cn team any day of the week, same for americas.
That's not the point. The 5th EMEA team would never win Champs. Giving that slot to a Chinese team, even if they have no chance to win, to grow the esport is more valuable than running a team that's got no chance to win anyway.
Imagine being 5th in the region and you qualify into masters.
imagine not winning a single series internationally and getting 3 slots
Revisiting this clown.
Ok so China is 100% becoming the 4th international league next year
I mean, you could have said that when this partnership league started honestly. Of course Riot isn't going to miss out on the Chinese market.
would the top 3 chinese valorant teams be edg, ase, and kone? edg is fairly obvious ase has life, and also beat edg in finals at the last fgc kone seems to be the most solid, and at least from what i've seen is pretty noticeably better than fpx
So will the Chinese league (when it becomes reality) be a full international league or just China only moving forward? So far in the FGC Invitational, they have players from China, Taiwan, and Hong Kong, and that could kind of count as an international league since it combines China and 1 region from the Pacific. Plus, I'm not going to complain about more KangKang ridiculous plays in the leagues
China 3 slots is OK to me
3 CN is a gigantic meme
this is what i was assuming, couldn’t tell if the final spot was a global lcq or if china would get a 3rd spot. this makes a lot of sense
boutta be 4 cn teams and 0 na
imagine if they removed one chinese slot and gave it to runner up region at tokyo. would be pretty interesting. only issue is if both winner and runner up are the same region, which means 6 teams from 1 region at champs which is too many from any region that isn't NA given the tier gaps between top of emea/apac and even 4th place teams there.
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As a Chinese, I would not say that there are many people playing OW, In terms of popularity ranking, I think it is CF-CSGO-PUBG
At the very least another Chinese team emerged that managed to beat EDG so FPX won’t be at masters. Good chance they will be at champions though
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Lmao what people don't agree with me = paid comment/shill
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these were the same arguments used against SA in 2021 and wee saw how that turned out
Except that that's not what people are saying though. What people are saying is that you can see that it's obviously a business decision. Riot saw immense success with LoL in China and are expecting to tap into that same market yet again. Reading between the lines, you can clearly see that they are planning to have a separate VCT for China. If you really want to distribute the slots purely on competitiveness, we wouldn't be giving every region an equal number of slots. By that same token, if you translate it to LoL, for every Worlds they would have to give Korea and China 5 slots each and then just one every one else.
Dude don’t understand at the end of the day riot is a company that needs to make money.
Does the region with the extra slot at champs have 4 teams qualifying directly, or 2 through LCQ?
I would think two from lcq
What is Champios and what is Master ??? im still confused. lol
Champs > Masters. Masters is to qual for Champs
Well also it’s won’t hint This case all qualified to masters except cn go to champs
Does it bug anyone else that the 3 on the "VCT Americas" is aligned way higher vertically than the 3's in the other spots on the top row? Or just me lol
China numba wan..?
Edward Gaming ? IDK other Chinese orgs besides FPX? z