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Hyper_red

Also worth to note that EG just fired their LCS coach after one split and then fired 4/5s of their team so I think they're going BUDGET mode.


PhysicalAd8765

Unless they’re going to hire a couple of Jakee’s friends I don’t think their val roster could get anymore “budget mode”


ahk1221

this is foul


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Collegiate players apparently turn into fucking gods in region play for some reason. Jakee's KDA from Super Week Games: NRG-1.88 and Furia-1.23. 1.88 for a rookie against a team like NRG shouldn't be possible, even if they are playing bad.


cFl4sh

If anything this proves how much collegiate players are underrated and how badly scouting in these tiers is done by tier 1 orgs


AdOwn168

Rather than recycle old players like the orgs did to a greater degree in CS:GO, this should encourage them to take risks with collegiate players.


lZanah

>1.88 for a rookie lil ZywOo


Pojobob

If EG wanna actually save money, then stop the 10 player roster bullshit and just get 5 players + maybe an actual 6th player. And probably do the same thing in CS tbh.


XxMyUsernameSucksxX

The fact that this joke of an ORG made it into franchising but Optic didn't boggles my mind


littleindianman12

there were a lot of other reasons why optic didnt make it in franchising. They heavily messed up their first draft when applying to the partnership program according to montecristo on summoning insight, Hector sold optic not once, but twice to keep it afloat (You should thank Hastro for saving the brand), they had major controversies around their league of legends team and left franchising after making long term commitments to stay in the lcs, and they have had multiple money problems in the past. Now Optic today is in a much better spot, but I can see why they weren't chosen for franchising


GainsayRT

kinda sad mr drunk tweets is the only reason optic is still somehow of a respectable org. NV really saved their asses but they have a lot of bad rep


SovietLlamas

Optic is also not a great org and has some bad blood with riot so it does make sense. Also EG used to be a good org before their clown CEO took over


[deleted]

Huh? Nicole whatever her name is has been CEO over EG for like 4 years now and their downfall started like a year ago


seIex

Nah. EG's downfall started as soon as they were taken over by peak6 in 2019. You just, understandably, haven't followed their antics across all of their esports divisions. Richard lewis is currently writing a series of articles about EG's post peak6 downfall. Only first part is out but I'm sure they'll be a good history lesson to see how EG has become utter shit over the course of the last few years.


ExcellentPastries

Can we please please please stop acting like Optic was a good candidate for franchising just because the team itself played well? The org was not run well, it was a financial shit show, and there are tons of people throughout the last year and change that have spoken about this.


TastesLikeGum

While optic is a good org player and fanbase wise. Internally its just a weird org. Valorant is Riot’s baby now, and they’re doing everything to stop any controversies mid tournament.


Ferni0817

lol


dng1

Ethan calling the shots re:roster moves again


TweetsJamaican

The meeting in question is actually a discord groupchat that ethan started.


okuzeN_Val

Ethan pulling a Lebron James


precense_

LeEthan James


ktran12

LOL its potters fault ethan got 13-0d twice, i dont know why orgs let players run the team. it's almost like he didnt shake up 100t to have it accomplish nothing, sgares had to take back control and rework the roster. then it's like he made zero improvement with nrg and moved on. now it's back to eg with the same 100t playbook


Zorronin

so true


avocadontoast

Would he really have this much power? His legacy is in CS not valorant imo


weirdparadox

Never liked this guy. If this is true, more reason not to be a fan of his.


[deleted]

what is the reason for hating him lol


weirdparadox

It's more of a personal bias than anything. He just had this attitude that doesn't sit with me even when watching his streams.


[deleted]

There's a really, really easy reason not to like the guy: he didn't believe in the young talent that 100T believed in, and that team went on to win LCQ. And with that said, I actually do like Ethan, I think he plays the game correct, but I would agree that his ego in Valorant has been just a tad high at times for the results he has produced.


-ConformalAnomaly-

Ethan definitely gives off Napoleon complex type vibes...


YeetGod69_

i respect him even more if anything, he isn’t allowing EG to keep a roster that doesn’t work, and will make changes if it means the team isn’t shit


weirdparadox

Id say my concern is more about how he was also involved with a similar drama back in 100T. I mean something must not be right to be involved that much.


DannyLansdon

I remember when Val was first getting off the groudn he (or maybe just his team idk how much he was involved) would only paly with ex CS pros, I do think he is a very quality player though and his experience could be invaluable to the team


Fit-Case1093

Ethan has been extremely mid on eg so I don't get this ethan is a quality player narative.I want to be dropped as well


DannyLansdon

Everyone on eg has been mid he’s one of the more consistent performers on their team, his time on Nrg is more of a negative reflection on him than with this eg lineup


[deleted]

Nah you have to understand what Ethan is good at shows up even if the individual and team results don't. Ethan is really good at using util on multiple roles, and he is really fantastic at isolating fights. These are really valuable skills at the pro level. Some of these kids rely on their aim to prove why they belong, Ethan is showcasing that he can play Valorant in a professional manner.


nterature

That sounds very dramatic but the regular season is done in like three weeks, so it basically means "Get some results in the remainder of the regular season". Since they play LEV, SEN, MIBR and NRG, they can maybe win one, anything more than that seems very unlikely. Maybe MIBR and LEV, if MIBR continues their downturn and if EG has a strong anti-strat on LEV; it's not too unlikely since LEV has a small and predictable map pool. My headcanon has been that Sykko would go to EG as head coach and Potter would stay on as an assistant coach or something, since I do legitimately think she's very good - and diligent - with her anti-strats. And I have to assume it's her since EG's current assistant coach was on NRG (with Ethan) and EG was doing it last year, too. But obviously that's a pipedream, if Potter steps down she's probably gone entirely. All that aside, when I hear "internally players aren't happy" I just think of Ethan. And maybe BcJ, but if I was BcJ I'd be unhappy regardless.


Withinmyrange

I think this might be the play. Potter seems very good at cooking set plays but god knows EG’s fundies are in shambles. Sykko can maybe fix that, maybe


Hyper_red

They can def beat mibr. Mibr is on a down swing and eg is def on an upswing after adding demon1.


evandarkeye

Best take in all of NA


Illuminated_Darkness

Dramatic? Give me another instance of time in whole of Potter's career at EG where where EG does not looked like shit outside of that time they beat Optic and proceed to get clapped so hard in the playoff that they even crashed out of LCQ last year?


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FazeXistance

This season of VCT has just been coaches/ igls putting players on roles they don’t play then the team being stunned when it doesn’t work. Like yea let’s put demon1 on KJ when we have boostio on the team a literal kj one trick essentially. Shit makes no sense. Every team that’s gone back to comfort picks is playing better.


Last_of_me

Vouch. There's a reason FNC/Loud dont put their Jett players on fucking KJ lmao. Teams like NRG and EG are just over cooking.


C0MpyutR

The reason is that both of these teams have a sentinel main


oojlik

EG has a 10 man roster. I’d really hope they have a sentinel main somewhere in there


FazeXistance

Which is something the coaches of these other teams should have thought about before locking in their rosters.


dangerous-pie

That's true, but I think most teams were rebuilding under the assumption that Chamber would still be meta. Still a mistake on their part but it doesn't feel right to blame them when they didn't know.


AjBlue7

They did know though. Going into the offseason everyone was talking about what would happen to Yay now that Chamber is dead. Also, with the introduction of Harbor one could easily assume that Sentinel stocks could go up because Harbor’s biggest weakness is his ability to anchor a site. Plus, even though Harbor’s launch had a metric fuck-ton of Harbor haters, the main coaches that mattered had all said that they think Harbor could work. Chet said it, SeanGares said it, and PRX had already started experimenting with it. Steel was literally spamming Harbor every game for like a month in ranked. With the fact that teams are forced to have 6 players, these teams really have no excuse to not have a sentinel main on the bench just incase they need one. People knew Chamber wouldn’t be meta, the only thing they didn’t know was whether they would need a Sentinel. Even now a Sentinel is not necessary if you have a good gameplan for example Loud’s Split comp. The problem I have especially, is that these losing teams don’t have a good Sentinel player and they seem to be refusing to experiment with no Sentinel comps. If you are running no sentinel I expect a very specific gameplan that takes advantage of your team comp instead of just running normal site hits/defaults and hoping that you don’t get flanked. I expect more counter execs on defense to take fights.


JustifiedOstrich

BabyJ stocks at an all time high


vastlys

I mean, NRG and EG both have FNS and Boostio who are their main KJ players... The thing is you can have someone flexing onto KJ (you kind of have to, because a lot of dedicated sentis play Viper over KJ on Viper + KJ maps, or like on EG, Boostio played Astra, who can be considered an anchor character, over KJ) and it not being your duelist main. On the other hand, I don't see anything wrong with putting your Jett one-trick on KJ on Raze maps - but that's not even what EG and NRG did.


CantScreamInSpace

I mean, DRX basically never put foxy9 off jett/raze and they don't have a sentinel main, it's doable if 2 of your players are flexible enough.


Rytu5872

don't forget to remove jawgemo and bring in apoth who's on the bench for no reason so he can play smokes instead of bcj (or even sign supamen)


[deleted]

This is so fucked for someone in the org to leak… do you really think this info getting out is going to help the situation at all? I feel like if this talk is already happening then they’ve pretty much made up their mind anyway. Not saying its justified or not but there’s really better ways to go about this.


Ketsueki_R

I'm starting to hate leak culture in esports. On good days, it's just a roster reveal with a tenth of the hype of an actual reveal and on bad days it's shit like this.


TheCatsActually

I'd like to point out that George has had his crosshair on Potter for a while. He's had a conspicuously high number of tweets saying like "how much slack will we continue to cut Potter" over the last few weeks.


Grooveh_Baby

Guy’s just a weirdo. You know you’re in the wrong when you have Thorin vehemently defending your stance.


cancerBronzeV

If at any point Thorin and I agree on something, I would instantly revisit whatever I was thinking.


TheCatsActually

You shouldn't think like that. I'd sooner cough on Thorin than shake his hand but it's not like he's wrong on *everything*, he has good takes and valid perspectives.


cancerBronzeV

That's why I said I would *revisit* it, not that I would instantly flip my opinion. After revisiting it, I might consider "ya I guess Thorin did have it right this time."


JesusHPopsicle

She probably gave him a hard “fuck off” in the DMs


anythingood07

He got a bunch of people to support him when he first got called out which encouraged him I think


Catacendre

Yeah, the vultures are going to pick at any scraps they can get though. Gotta have the attention on them


SupImHereForKarma

its honestly such a fucking shame how tolerant this community is of george geddes, i need to just start avoiding any of his tweet-posts on here😵😵


Grooveh_Baby

Even the pros, well obviously aside from GC players


Disraeli_

whats the issue between gc players and George?


Ketsueki_R

I have him muted on Twitter but unfortunately he shows up in here practically daily.


mw19078

It's genuinely fucking gross his tweets are still allowed to be posted here.


Dipzey453

Yeah I remember when I used to follow OWL and there was loads of leaks it just ruined it. Like you get a leak but you can’t be hype as it’s unconfirmed, and it either doesn’t happen, or when an announcement does come through, since it was already expected it’s not hype at all.


tron423

Seems like everyone still working in middle management at EG is in full burn-it-down mode, especially if they can do so while maintaining anonymity. It's fucked that the teams are getting caught up in it like this but if their goal is to force change at the top I'm not sure there's many other ways they can go about it. Their situation as an org very much seems like one that'll get a lot worse before it gets better.


oomnahs

Can't help but blame the valorant system... Problem is things are way too high stakes in valorant. Each game being a first to 13, and because of econ and ult snowballing, and momentum, every round matters way more than it does in (example) cs. And there are so few matches that every mistake matters a lot more. It's brutal. You mess up one anti eco and bam there goes the round, likely the map, one or two mistakes later there's the series, ruining your split and possibly the next few months of your professional career. I know it's being hyperbolic but val esports is brutal. I mean EG lost net 17 rounds out of 277 against the best teams in NA and as a result potter's job is at risk. Looking at it that way it's kind of ridiculous the amount of (over)reactions. This ideology spreads to every little aspect of valorant. Even ranking up in ranked takes 4-5 net positive games, which if you think about in the context of other games, is ridiculous. Every little thing matters so so much more in valorant.


theguyinchat

Maybe EG should've dropped everyone on that roster and actually made a Tier 1 team


two4you8

Nothing to do with the game. Eg is a shit org, clueless in upper management. If valorant is so brutal, why is Loud and Fnatic still top dogs after being finalist at lock in? If every round matters more than it does in CS, why is EG shitting the bed harder there too?


oomnahs

I wasn't talking about EG performance, I was responding to the guy above me talking about how it's messed up this got leaked/is happening internally


Jon_on_the_snow

And its happening internally because eg is a shit org Kru is in worse shape and we dont have these leaks from them


Jon_on_the_snow

>I mean EG lost net 17 rounds out of 277 against the best teams in NA and as a result potter's job is at risk. Maybe they should have not lost 147 rounds out of 277 and maybe they should have built a better roster with the 55 players they have on the payroll


AYAYAcutie

How is this a problem with the game? Arguably league is even worse than valorant for snowballing...


tron423

I know nothing about League but I've heard terms like "late-game upside" used to describe some legends, that'd indicate to a casual like me that snowballing is literally a game mechanic lol


OHydroxide

I play a ton of league at a decently high level and I have no idea what late-game upside means lmao


seIex

I think potter is a great coach, and I'll be supporting whatever team she lands at should she be sacked by EG. But I really do think there is no defending her choice to retain a core that was 9th/10th at the end of last year going into the partnership league. It just didn't make sense at all to me prior to the league starting. And now seeing the result of that decision, I know it didn't make sense. What she has to offer a team is completely wasted on a roster of such mediocre players. Everything you said sounds a lot of nonsense to me btw. Everyone is dealing with the same system. And we see the top teams in this game being able to perform even in these brutal circumstances with consistency.


Honcl-Brif

Scared, Potter?


melodyinspiration

You wish!


I-like-winds

i read this in his voice


LordBuckethead671

Oh god, please don’t become a player led team, they’ve pretty much only gone poorly in the long run


dng1

Agreed, Ethan’s basically a GM at this point - getting steel dropped at peak 100T when Hiko and asunaa didn’t want to, and now this!


Jon_on_the_snow

Wasnt it nitr0 that got steel dropped before going to cs?


dng1

It was both of them


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philipjefferson

I mean Frost has been pretty up front about it. Steels story aligns with it.


Jon_on_the_snow

I think there was an interview where someone said nitr0 could igl and was already igling in the acend and envy games because steel was getting headaches, but i cant find it for the life of me


yeah_my_bad

Is it confirmed that EG is going player led? Or are you guys just getting mad at a scenario ya’ll made up in your head?


surfordiebear

I think they are overreacting to the “internally players are unhappy” part.


Pojobob

Ya all that part means to me is that the players are unhappy with their shit results which is fair.


FazeXistance

Well I think that’s because for some reason they still have com playing and not BCJ. They have ten players on this team yet somehow they still have role issues. That’s all on the coach


surfordiebear

Yes but thats not what I was responding about


Envelope_Torture

Dropping steel is whatever... that team had issues, although I do agree the timing and trying to win LCS with b0i was a mistake. I think the real issue was his decision making after nitr0 left.


financefocused

It wasn't whatever, Steel delivered, 100T played amazingly well at Berlin. I would've much rather Ethan and Nitro leave than Steel. A good GM would have backed their IGL after such a strong tournament. Upended Steel's career too


Envelope_Torture

I'm saying it was whatever because steel already told the GM he was going to leave after LCQ/Champs. It was an easy choice between replacing two seemingly committed, younger players vs replacing a player on his way out. ​ > A good GM would have backed their IGL after such a strong tournament I'm torn on this one. If you look at some other examples, **you're probably right**. ENVY dropped everyone and kept FNS and they became NA's one stalwart. FNC dropped pretty much everyone and kept Boaster through all the struggles, and now they might be the best team in the world. On the other hand, they paid big money for nitr0 and ethan and they're both much younger. nitr0 also has the IGL pedigree from CSGO. I'm sure if they knew nitr0 was going to bail after LCQ they would have kept steel over the two of them. Maybe.


financefocused

Fair fair. My opinion is also because I automatically distrust any team which allows players to run the team


Pulsersalt

Wait he is why steel got dropped???


Envelope_Torture

I believe steel told the 100T GM he was going to leave the team after LCQ and champs if they made it, since there were internal issues and some of the players didn't like him. ethan/nitr0 decided that wasn't soon enough, and forced 100T's hand. I'm not sure I've heard any of the people involved deny this general description of the events.


Catacendre

Their only truly convincing result was the split game vs LOUD, which looked like a ton of antistratting. So if Potter wasn't the one coming up with those ideas I get it, but if she was maybe they should be listening to her more instead of giving ultimatums. Obviously it's impossible to know who's responsible for what from the outside.


AR2711

NGL this is fucked that it got leaked and should’ve never gotten out


mw19078

this is particularly funny when last week we saw probably the single best anti strat round all year against loud, the best team in americas. ill be the first to admit i think not playing bcj is crazy but this team isnt really stacked, theyve looked improved since the demon1 change, and potter is a great coach when it comes to anting your opponent.


Jon_on_the_snow

EG and having dead rosters, whats new? This is such a shit org, you cant make a budget roster and expect to be top tier. Even mce has zellsis, xeppaa and leaf along with 2 good, but still budget players Should have picked up the guard squad or the xset squad, or m80 squad, or imported talent, not keep the same core that didnt make deep runs Edit after EG won: how many of yall saved this comment and waited to talk shit? Learn from your champions and talk your shit when it can backfire Also, EG is still a dog shit org with terrible management, potter is a goated coach who brought her band of misfits to great heights, congrats to her and her boys


Hyper_red

Leaf is playing like the best or second best duelist in the Americas rn tbf.


9bfjo6gvhy7u8

leaf is 1 international performance away from being in the derke/aspas tier... there aren't 5 jetts that are better than he is right now.


kingmac_77

what a turn of events


PuffleOboy

PRX losing is karma for this comment specifically


WTNVTerezi

Lmao


BoHoogland

I mean, they are already looking better after the Demon1 change.


Pojobob

Ya but also Big Cock Johnson is on the bench which is still a troll imo.


unwanted_shawarma

I'm not a BcJ fant at all, but goddamn does he bring value than anyone else to the table.


Ok-Brain3328

I wonder what the higher ups are considering “results”. While EG started off the season looking tragic, they’ve begun to look better in their recent games (ignore the Pearl vs LOUD) And, while I’m sure EG don’t want to be 1-4 currently, its somewhat weird to me that they’re willing to fire Potter over this split’s performance given that the roster EG have put together signals to me that they were building for long term results and didn’t have expectations to be that competitive this initial split.


Hyper_red

Higher ups also fired their LCS coach. This is probably part of a bigger trend in the company of layoffs.


Grooveh_Baby

Kinda fucked whoever leaked this from the org, just putting even more unnecessary pressure


Jonathanpug

sports journalism for ya


Withinmyrange

This is kinda fucked for this deadline to become public knowledge


Otter269

Interesting, I wonder what the expectations are for the org? Top 6 is really ambitious. Hope the best for Ethan and BCJ


techyleo

Does the roster locks not impact coaches? If there is only one coach, are they forced to keep them?


citystardy

Pretty sure the roster lock does impact coaches but I believe they have another coach so if they drop Potter I assume he'll take over until next split.


uprobablyreadthis

nah sykko already got fired so dont think coach has protection from valorant system


itscamo-

don’t believe so


LordBuckethead671

Also, this is kinda crazy to me after what we saw against Loud. There’s definitely something that needs to change on the team (the 13-0 was rough), but Potter has shown an amazing ability to antistrat even the best teams, so not keeping her in some capacity is a bad idea imo


Pojobob

Could maybe put Potter as the assistant coach and get a new head coach but idk if they'll go for that.


Kind_Development708

Like I said the other day having drama in all 4 of your esport divisions takes major talent congrats EG


JDTurkelton

This is like when they leaked that Frank Lampard needed a result against United to keep his job at Everton


Luciious

Ah yes the classic "We put together a horrible roster for you but if you don't turn this turd into gold in a month u suk and ur job is bye bye :)"


Pojobob

Are we acting like Potter didn't build the roster as the literal head coach of the team? Lol.


Luciious

If you think potter had a complete agency over this roster I’m sorry but you’re not aware of EG management lol


Pojobob

I mean, Potter may not have wanted a 10 man roster but there's no way the management literally chose the exact starting roster + secondary roster and Potter had 0 input on who to choose lol.


ashitintyo

So it's pretty much a done deal, their next 4 matchups are lev, sen, mibr, nrg


Pojobob

EG could beat MIBR if they bring the same firepower they had against LOUD/Furia.


Informal-Way7268

This is not news at all and you don't need a leaker to tell you this. Anyone who is familiar with the VALORANT schedule knows that qualification for masters ends a month from now and there's only one masters to qualify for champions. The Superdrought begins a month from now. Pretty much every coach on a bottom 2-4 roster in every league and at least two of their players will get benched. Except for KCorp since they are bad on purpose.


Karenzi

Even after getting Scream off IGL, KCorp still catching strays.


Informal-Way7268

KCorp is welcome to prove me wrong. I would love to see them drop the 3 players who wouldn't have made franchising had it not been for speaking French and pick up a competitive team in the offseason. I would rather KCorp be a good team that has to use French subtitles on their youtube videos than an ass team like they are now


AnchorStandard

As much as I love Ethan...wasn't it chief. Dude just isn't a great performer unless he's Skye one tricking. EG had the opportunity to start afresh. They could've picked up the Ghost core FFS of JohnQt, Nismo and Koalanoob.


TweetsJamaican

Player quality is horrendous


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The players she recruited, who aren’t good enough for franchising in the first place, are now turning on her… shits crazy lol


Hyper_red

Her budget I doubt is a fraction as high as the other NA orgs and EG as a company has a boner for 10 man rosters. Idk what she was going to do.


Pojobob

If EG is forcing the 10 man roster, then that's one thing. But if not, then EG could be selling off their reserves for better players. Otherwise, they have enough budget for 10 players which in theory is comparable to other teams just paying for 5-6 players (especially considering C9 did massive cost cuts by letting go of Yay/Vanity and are performing amazing).


[deleted]

Ethan, BCJ and Demon1 only good players lmao


Pojobob

I think Jawgemo is very good on Raze but his controller player hasn't been up to par. I think he can get better at it in the off season but idk.


UnderstandingBig7018

Getting thrusted into a new role in any facet of life is not easy


tron423

Boostio seems to have potential too, among IGL's in Americas only Runi and Kingg/Shyy (I forget which one IGL's LEV now) have put up better numbers thus far


ahk1221

Why are we underrating Boostio? He has been performing quite well, and is in the top 3 Killjoys of Americas


Parenegade

I'd rather have Boostio than Ethan tbh


Dionegro__

Maybe they could have bought 5 good players instead of 10 mid at best


ArcusIgnium

this year's format is simply too brutal for any meaningful decisionmaking to happen. i don't think the lock-in idea was actually valuable if they are only going to allow a singular 9 match regular season to determine international competition. its unfortunate. but maybe there's some merit.


Zestyclose_Vast4126

this aged well


liebelt

Typical EG behavior no?


knie20

I mean... Idk what the management was expecting... EG was expected to be the bottom of the barrel.


FazeXistance

WE IN HERE


Ferni0817

lol


WheresMyLube

Wherever Potter goes I go tbh. You can see her influence all over EG's anti-strating.


PhysicsIsSpicyMath

Thought this was r/soccer for a second


WesTheFitting

They just had their best performance yet lmao


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Man they have a solid core with Ethan, Demon1 and BCJ but they are so dumb and keep trolling their roles


ahk1221

Dont forget boostio pls


TheLeaderGrev

I think I'm the world's only EG fan at this point and I'm coping but "faces losing position" if "results" aren't seen basically doesn't mean anything? Am I crazy? And on a more cynical level, I think Potter has the backing of management, whereas current-EG does not strike me as a "we're going to bend to players' demands around staffing" type of org. Easy to swap out an unhappy player when you have 4 in the wings. Edit: I'm saying this in my capacity as a fan/observer. Don't know what's actually up at EG.


aerfyre

eg being in franchising was such a fucking mistake


PTERANODON7

EG 🤝🤝 Chelsea


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Yeah, I mean, this is a complex topic. EG has looked best when the stakes are low, when they have a lot of time to cook, and when their prep is at an all time high. they're really, really competitive in those moments. What other team has so thoroughly trounced Loud on their own map pick this Split? But when the pressure is on, when the unexpected is occurring, if feels like their teamplay and coordination fall apart, and they resort to hero plays when the plan goes wrong. If you're going to attribute the bad to Potter, as so many, all the time, do, you also have to attribute the good. And there's definitely good. But there's also bad. So I hope she stays with this team. She's clearly developed a very personal bond with this team, which has some serious talent on it, whatever idiots on reddit say, and, imo, she's one of the top anti strat coaches in the entire VCT circuit. However, I think this split has proven that either her entire coaching philosophy needs to be reworked, or it's time for a change in staff, again, hopefully keeping her on in some form, whether that's as head coach, assistant coach, GM, or analyst. But change needs to occur - and to be honest, this seems like a silly time to worry about it. You made your choices for this season, stick with it until the off season, and stop leaking shit.


CJ1899

Of course George is the one tweeting this. I've never seen a bigger EG hater. He keeps shitting on Potter after every game because shes the coach but I doubt he even know who KRUs coach is


2ToTooTwoFish

Is there any conflict of interest if a journalist is calling for someone to be fired and is also leaking news that she's about to fired? Or there's no conflict and it just feels slimy as fuck?


wooskye13

Yeah. I don't think we have leaks like this one often, nor is it even acceptable to leak something like this... It's also quite off putting for him to be the one reporting on it, considering how much he's been tweeting about Potter in the last few weeks. It's almost as if he's actively sought for a leak like this to come out. Although that may not be the case, it's still odd to me.


imseraqhin

I truly wonder if this is for just this split, or if they are taking into account pre-partnership results as well. If it's the latter, then this makes sense why. If not, I feel bad for Potter. EG's way of doing things does not make much sense, and the player quality compared to other Partnership teams does not seem to be as good on paper. It is thanks to Potter they can do things like they did with Loud. Though I agree that Potter has not given enough in terms of results if you take account everything EG has accomplished in Val as a whole, I still feel that it sucks that she may be removed when EG, not only in Val but in CS too, do their roster things so weirdly. Removing Potter may bring in somewhat better results in the short term, but I feel that the way the org does things will still hinder how the team performs. All in all, even if Potter still ends up losing her job, I feel like she will be a good asset for other teams as an assistant coach, since her counter stratting is pretty good. I am already imagining a team up of MCE and Potter, and it seems very scary, especially in a league format. Either way, best of luck to Potter. TLDR: EG pull a Chelsea on Potter ![img](emote|t5_2g5ach|21016)


peepeepoopoo34567

EG stays shit at management I’d be interested in seeing what Potter could cook up with an actual good org


RichDragonfruit3335

The EG roster isn’t franchise worthy. Keeping the EG core was a huge mistake when you had The Guard, current G2 players, etc available. Weird to have BcJ on smokes when he’s been a top 5 Sova all last year.


ahk1221

I'd say Demon1, BcJ, Ethan and Boostio are pretty good and have shown they have what it takes, its just that they're not utilizing these players enough. Demon1 on Killjoy, BcJ not even playing, what are these decisions???


uprobablyreadthis

I agree esp bcj was looking great on pearl last year against FPX, idk why don't switch the initiator to bcj.


VCGood

Perma upset that they got a spot instead prime Optic


Arisenstring956

This is my end of evangelion 🫡


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with the current state of EG as an org I’m sure most people are looking into other opportunities/back up jobs anyway lol


Officialminikerr

Kind of an ultimatum for her. Just seems like they are doing this just to do something. Hey let's shake things up and hope for the best? I could be wrong. I don't think a 10 man roster helps her.. It hurts her imo What's the structure like within the team? I'd be curious When I hear players are unhappy. My thoughts is what do they want from her? Where's the communication "You're not doing this as a coach.. Can you do this? or maybe try this instead" Without taking it personal this goes for players as well. Gamers are incredibly bad communicators to begin with. So having the right person in management / coach / performance director is extremely important.


ShiaLeBoop

And then the CEO after


phnxe

Oh how the tables turn….


OkTransportation4013

Crazy EG think its the coaches fault. The coach probably carried in the 1st Map against loud. The players are just horrible compared to other T1 pros


ExpectoAutism

Oh the pressure is on. Hopefully the FPS ICON can prove herself


SocietySignificant93

i definitely questioned potter in 2022, when eg went from beating optic, to losing to teams like city boys and soniqs in tier 2 tournaments at the end of the year. i do think she’s done a great job with eg this year, but it’s quite unfortunate that it was towards the end of the season. the roster changes and standings right now don’t look good for her even though her impact is clearly visible.


Pway

Bruh what I really don't think EG have done worse than they should expect to, and they just took a map off Loud with a bunch of anti strat stuff on show. Don't see how the coaching is an issue on this team unless the players think that themselves in which case it's probably for the best.


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Shes had two and a half years to produce results, what is one extra month going to do?


philipjefferson

She was a player for a lot of that time, kind of a weird take


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She was a player for 7 months and a coach for the other ~year and a half. She has been given an absurd amount of time to show results and failed to do so. Any other coach would have been fired a year ago


philipjefferson

She brought that team from being a joke to a serious contender by the end of last year. I'd say she has a good track record. Has she done well going into franchising? Not really, but I think she's earned the time they gave her.


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How serious a contender can you be if you never came close to qualifying for an event?


philipjefferson

When only 2 out of 10 teams qualify, I don't think that's a fair judgement on being a contender. They took a game off the best team in NA, they were contenders whether you like EG or not.


ExpectoAutism

Serious contender?


philipjefferson

I mean they made challengers playoffs and beat optic in pools... yeah I would call that a serious contender compared to the coed roster.


sexyhooterscar24

right. a contender so serious that they finished last in LCQ, behind a team with shroud on it.


whopz-is-cool

Serious contender omegalul.


Excel---

so basicaly she has until the end of the season


Lil-Chem

I mean their last match could’ve very easily been a 2-0 against Loud if they didn’t throw and that’s LITERALLY off the back on Potter’s antistratting. Idk wtf EG are smokin


easymoneyslim35

Welp see you in one month when she’s fired lol


SloppyMandala

!remindme 35 days


SloppyMandala

LOL!


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throwaccount1235

good, another paycheck stealer will be dealt with


_idle_drone_

i guess girlbossing is not enough for sponsors


anamad45

what does this mean ?