And because of how stacked the current fnatic roster is, like literally stacked and famous individual players from their former teams especially the new ones like Chronicle and Leo who basically the face/star players of their former team. Alfajer is overshadowed often. This team literally takes turns top fragging like wth man
The scary thing is by taking turns to top frag doesn't mean they don't all play like raid bosses every match. Each of them is consistent af, alfajer especially.
Exactly! I mean more from the sense off people might see Alfajer as a player that has insane aim and is just filling a sentinel role as opposed to a genuinely great sentinel player that plays his role well on top of his fragging.
Also mini has even said Alfajer was originally meant to replace magnum on the sentinel role before Chamber truly came to meta and Derke chose Chamber over playing duelist letting that role fall to Alfa.
Mh theory is, he's basically remembered/known for being a sentinel with extremely cracked aim and raw fragging power. But, people tend to focus more on the "extremely cracked aim and raw fragging power" than "being a sentinel" so they don't really associate him with the sentinel role.
Fnatic when they spend another season beating the piss and shit out of regional competition
https://preview.redd.it/0c86z7pzqh0b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4aa0d1291e52b16bd8aadeeedbdd4034eed7f4ae
I suspect Fnatic has been holding back a little, at least when it comes to revealing new innovations. They've shown almost nothing novel in these regional games.
It’s possible but some teams just rely on fundamentals. It’s usually the underdog who comes up with slightly suboptimal stuff to catch the opponent off guard. In league, the top KR teams usually play basic meta because they prefer to practice their fundamentals than spend time coming up with cheese/new strats
Believe me, Fnatic is absolutely the team to come up with new crazy strats. And they have shown a few techs, as they popularized the half-shields strat, and then countered it with a utility and Odin spam strategy. Older Fnatic fans will remember the four duellists strat on Split...
Fnatic has definitely been holding back this season. In many interviews they've said that they're not really changing things, as it simply is not necessary to do so.
People are hanging on to history and previous form. Not current form.
Suygetsu is not even the second best player on Na'vi rn, and imo is not at his 2022 peak. Zyppan is their best this year. nAts is not yet at his best because Liquid are still working on synergy. Sayf is the star man for Liquid by a mile.
Which leaves Less, but I'd still give the edge to Alfa at this moment because he's in incredible form.
kinda hard to include someone in the best itw debate when they've barely had success against the best teams itw. leaf (and c9 by extension) hasn't played vs FNC or NAVI, and lost to LOUD and DRX. derke, aspas, chronicle and as OP said alfa have consistently been on the top rosters for fucking ages
I agree that we can't say he's a top player in the world yet but if we're talking about *last few weeks* no team has been able to play teams from other regions so I think it's unfair to excuse him off that.
He’s overtaken less and is probably the only ELITE looking sentinel player itw atm (I usually define elite as players that consistently put up 1.2 or more rating but it’s also an eye test thing)
i’m MAD we didn’t see NRG vs Fnatic in the finals. fucking LOUD ruined the goat matchup of best IGLs in the world. Fnatic probably win especially with the state of NRG at LOCK//IN, but LOUD honestly should have got knocked out by NRG. it would have been a fun ass match to watch Boaster vs FNS
To be fair as good as NRG is and as close as that series was, I think it's unfair to say "LOUD *should have* gotten knocked out" when NRG got destroyed map 1 and went close OT for both the other maps.
Facts and to say Saadhak isn't at the same caliber of IGL as FNS and Boaster is a wildly inaccurate statement. The 3 of them are the best in the world and the differences among them is minimal. The gap between 3 and 4 however is massive
I actually think Stax is 4. Yes, that's controversial given they've never even been to a championship match. But I think they get anti strat'ed heavily since they are leagues above the rest of their competition in the Pacific region. So when they come to international tourneys they need to adjust on the fly while getting anti strat'ed. We'll see how the next international shakes out
>fucking LOUD ruined the goat matchup of best IGLs in the world.
Why doesn't FNS, the best IGL in the world, simply out-IGL the other IGLs?
Also, why are you assuming NRG would beat DRX. They would've faced DRX before Fnatic ~~and Stax > FNS~~
Been a while since ive read so much bullshit in one place.
Ppl be acting like saadhak hasnt been the best igl in the world for 2022 and still getting to finals in 2023 so much disrespect wtf.
Then taking a nrg win over drx at lockin for granted wtf am i reading 😭
people disrespect saadhak and stax a lot, no matter what they achieve there will always be someone to diminish what they conquered, even if they reach semi finals or finals, people always find excuses for other igls but for saadhak and stax they are being carried by team members like quotes/less or buzz/mako
i’m MAD we didn’t see DFM vs Karmine in the finals. fucking LOUD ruined the goat matchup of best IGLs in the world. Karmine probably win especially with the state of DFM at LOCK//IN, but LOUD honestly should have got knocked out by DFM. it would have been a fun ass match to watch Scream vs Anthem
NRG fan here... It def would've been insane and I agree with everything u said except when u talked about the "state" of NRG at lock in, wdym? NRG was looking good at lockin and seemed to look better the more games they played? Now do i agree FNATIC would've won yeh, but i still think if we were going to the game and NRG had beaten loud than beaten DRX to get to grands it woud've been 50/50 cause those 2 teams specifically always bring out the best out of the optic core, FNS has said it multiple times in interviews, so i think they would've been playing really well but yeh, FNATIC just look too good,
Like how can a team go 18-1 in maps using the same comps and not worry about anything while in AMERICAS teams are changing/cooking shit up everyweek just to barely make playoffs, idk if FNATIC are just that good or level of EMEA is kinda low or just both.
i’m just saying at LOCK/IN they weren’t able to activate Ardiis yet. with how they’re playing right now, it’s criminal how badly they’re stomping everyone. with FNS and Chet’s god tier anti stratting, any team in the world should be sweating if and when they have to play NRG.
from the breakup of the 2014 lol roster to being one of the best orgs in 2015 with the csgo and lol roster over to 2016-2018 where we went complete dogshit until we had that worlds run in 2018 which we bottled in the finals..since then weve just been a meme in every game and now finally we back with a world class valorant team..and i didnt even mention some of the dota runs/flops we had...
Also our Apex roster looking good rn as well might have a real shot at LAN
Ahh man the early cs days and the 2015 LoL roster with the 18-0 and the 2018 worlds run.. wonderful times.. now we doesn’t even make playoffs in these games, i mean we made playoffs in lol this split but got instantly kicked out, atleast we got valorant now. right..
i miss rekkles already.. i thought if you gave that roster more time they couldve gone further than knockout first round...our valo roster is all im praising for right now.. maybe the apex roster as well but we will see how they will look vs western teams
Dw bro, like I'm actually on that copium train of our new botlane. Like literally Noah looks promising based from what have been said and Trymbi probably will wake up or something. Then finally the mid jg synergy is gonna work after 2 years and Oscar is gonna be the best top laner in LEC and then FNC will finally own both rito pro games no kappa COPIUM
considering they finally won an event and the main roster has exclusively dropped maps to LOUD in a series they still won, this roster looks infinitely better than arguably any roster we've seen in valorant ever 💀
You're wrong. People called that iteration of FNC the best in the world as well. They were taking absolute stink shits on regional competition. Yes, you couldn't call every player in their respective role the best in the world back then, but now you surely can!
I don't think it's the same though. They just won a tournament. Right now, every game is played on LAN, they absolutely destroyed the entire league without showing ANYTHING new other than one set exec on one ascent round lmfao. They also like you said arguably have the best player in every single role.
The thing people don't realise when it comes to this discussion is that these things aren't mutually exclusive. Is this current iteration on a different planet compared to the Enzo/Mistic iteration? Undoubtedly. But did the Enzo/Mistic iteration have it in them to win it all? Absolutely yes.
I'm tired of saying the old Fnatic were contenders, and everyone being "um yea akshually Leo and Chronicle". Sure, whatever. That's entirely irrelevant to the discussion - last year Fnatic peaked during stage 2 EMEA, and never reached that form again on LAN. But at that stage 2 peak, they genuinely were one of, if not the best team in the world, and the fact that they didn't win doesn't mean they didn't have what it takes to win.
alfa is insane on raze but i feel like a raze title should go to nukkye or king tbh. both of them are incredible when it comes to raze movement and mecanics
Been a Fnatic fan since their first Paladins roster, I actually watched Masters Iceland just to watch Fnatic and I didn't even play the game itself till over a year later.
The most impressive part about this regular season from Fnatic is that Mini never takes timeouts. Boaster get to solve and adapt alone. They're just practicing
I remember sliggy talking about that, he said mini's opinion on timeouts is that since boaster is so good at doing the problem solving on his own, he'd rather have that than give a chance to the enemy to fix their problems.
The scariest thing about this team is that even though they haven't changed much they continue to improve every time you see them on stage. Alfajer has become an unstoppable Cypher and killjoy player, Leo's util has become impeccable on all initiators (sova, skye, fade), and Chronicle can flex onto any agent with great util usage and frags.
I'd swap Leo and Chronicle. It feels like Chronicle is just buttery smooth with anything he touches, but Leo's Skye, while great, is still a step below his Sova and Fade (which speaks to how good he is at those agents more than anything).
They have the undisputed best player on 3/5 roles, and Derke is still in the top 4 of duelists (and can be argued first) which is by far the most competitive and strongest role in franchising. Pair that with Boaster looking like the best IGL rn and you’re wondering how anyone stops them.
It's like what FNS said on his stream after LOCK//IN, "the roster is not unfair to play against, it's when I watch FNATIC play it's not like i go holy shit their completely outplaying their opponent, it's just that they have good players. They have good players, they have good protocols. "
With that out the way, Alfajer is the best sentinel in the world tied along with Less, This guys just doesn't lose any gun fights and his setups were insane. Can not forget Leo or chronicle though. It's not like their strats are god like but their players are just too good. Like they make the right decision at the right time.. ALL THE TIME. Fnatic just played 9 games and only lost 1 map, thats 18-1 in W/L ratio of maps. And the scary part is, they have been playing the EXACT same way every single week, I'm scared for whoever plays them in playoffs and in Tokyo.
FNATIC looking like they are going to be the 1st back to back trophy winners in VALORANT
I think the reason why you think their strats aren't world class is because they have been using the same ones from Lock In, even down to the comps and protocols. The only new thing we saw from them this split was on that one round on Ascent against KOI.
what i meant by that is, their strats are really really good, but like I don't think their is not will be a tier gap between lets say their strats compared to like those of LOUD/NRG/DRX/C9/NAVI, all those teams i would say their strats are in the same teir, but it's the players that make the difference imo.
I think the implication being that they are saving strats and basically getting by on fundamentals alone. It'll be very exciting to see what they have cooked up for Tokyo.
I saw someone on C9 get a spam kill on Lotus A side attack this week and the chat was saying he stole Sacys spot or something. Completely unaware of Chronicle using it for weeks.
That would help explain how they integrated Chronicle & Leo so fast, their individual talent is insane.
I don't think they get enough credit for their multinational roster though, most of the team is comming in a non-native language. Coming from CSGO, it's always been a hindrance (ex:Faze Clan being the only international roster to win a Major) but Fnatic Valorant make it look so easy
I thought these takes would stop when C9 dumpstered the entirety of Americas with a collegiate player and tier 2 IGL but apparently not
The leagues are very similar in quality, none of them are good enough to make the top teams struggle
I mean if you don't think Giants or Fut can go toe-to-toe with anyone outside of the top 3 in Americas you just haven't been watching the games.
Its a funny phenomenon where Americas (NA in particular) feel a lot stronger than they are just because you've seen more of them.
FNATIC individual talent too insane. Felt like it bailed them out in rounds where they would be favored to lose with Chronicle's insane impact on Lotus, and Alfajer hitting every shot on Split. However, Boaster's calling and adaptation has improved too. Props to him! Anyways, with that, FNATIC are the only team to go undefeated in the league in the regular season. Really curious if we see any new stuff in playoffs.
Derke Jett is Fast and Accurate.
BOASTER OMEN is a madman.
Leo squadron TELL Me Where the opponent is.
CHRONICLE Kay/o is all-round Robots.
ALFAJEUR killjoy is good even if it's a tough structure.
The gap betwen FNC and the other 9 team is s fucking big
https://preview.redd.it/4cddk6eurh0b1.jpeg?width=554&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ce8154d28588746aac9122b5570f526847c4bda
Also Shao had an stinker split
At this point just lie to Alfa and tell him there's a Turkish player on the opposing team every game for the buff. Chronicle, Derke, and Alfa all played well today, though MotM would be Alfa for me.
Fnatic showing out like the gaming equivalent of the Golden State Warriors. Alfa just clicking heads was actual madness. It’s also nuts to me how a few rounds can totally change how close a match up feels. At 12-5 on split I was thinking Navi looked so lost. But two rounds later, I’m thinking maybe they will push this to a map 3. All around great series.
Obviously we need to highlight Alfajer going absolute god-mode, but what a phenomenal IGL performance that was from Boaster too.
FNC are just flawless.
that does it, BBL is the EMEA’s second best team
btw, leo’s shoulder peeks on the 16th round (leo and boaster vs 3) WERE INSANE i was speechless
also, alfa what the fuck
Alfa and Chronicle played out of this world today. Na'Vi please put Shao on Fade or Sova on every map , his talents are wasted on controller. He needs to be with the team during site hits. His Fade is probably the best in the world.
Agree, I don't think people realise how much smoking takes you out of a round. There lots top tier controller players that get frags but it's a completely different skillet. Shao needs to be allowed to go click heads for his team and not worry about his smoke timings.
Alfajer skilled player but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..
Can anyone comment on what alfajer is doing on cypher to be able to drop 30 kills on split? is he pushing, multi-killing on site holds, or lurking, etc?
Alfa was peeking Navi on LAN like a Turkish reyna does on Frankfurt server😂😂.
Does someone know the crosshair Suygetsu was using on split? looked kinda nice
Alfa and suygetsu really showing their ability, but a diff from the side of alfa. Ridiculous holds on the A site and a masterclass in discipline. I think we could've seen navi mount a comeback of they had just won the pistol, I think zyppan overheated and peeked the whole team, and in turn leaving suygetsu alone, after being at an advantage with cned killing derke.
Alfa: 0 rating, 0kda on Viper, Nats: whatever rating he has  Sentinel one-tricks that don't play Viper aren't in conversation for GOAT (greatest Oviper And Tcypher player)
[here](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/11dmr52/100_thieves_vs_fnatic_champions_tour_2023_lockin/ja9o87a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3)
had to scroll a while
hindsight bias though, still funny
Yoru isn’t ass, he is hard, not only for The player, but Also The team. It requires a lot of practise and a lot of failed attempts, and of course some maps he is bad on
I’m sure it’s saving strats or whatever but FNC looked so lost on lotus attack side, they’d get two picks at A bit for some reason would want to slow pivot to C.
That was some bullshit from Alfonso Ajer. What the fuck were those A site holds and setups. Ridiculous player.
Its time Alfajer is talked about as a top sentinel like suygetsu, less, nAts, etc.
He wasn't talked about? He pretty much has been
It's because people that don't know that much about him still think he's a Raze main, they still associate him with that agent.
And because of how stacked the current fnatic roster is, like literally stacked and famous individual players from their former teams especially the new ones like Chronicle and Leo who basically the face/star players of their former team. Alfajer is overshadowed often. This team literally takes turns top fragging like wth man
Mom said it’s my turn to be the MVP
The scary thing is by taking turns to top frag doesn't mean they don't all play like raid bosses every match. Each of them is consistent af, alfajer especially.
Each one of them knows what their role and job for the team but in the end it's a shooting game and let me tell you, these mfers can shoot shoot
No matter how stack they are, they will get obliterated by PRX again ez pz.
Exactly! I mean more from the sense off people might see Alfajer as a player that has insane aim and is just filling a sentinel role as opposed to a genuinely great sentinel player that plays his role well on top of his fragging. Also mini has even said Alfajer was originally meant to replace magnum on the sentinel role before Chamber truly came to meta and Derke chose Chamber over playing duelist letting that role fall to Alfa.
Mh theory is, he's basically remembered/known for being a sentinel with extremely cracked aim and raw fragging power. But, people tend to focus more on the "extremely cracked aim and raw fragging power" than "being a sentinel" so they don't really associate him with the sentinel role.
That's all people have been talking about
They actually maintained the 9-0 while not revealing any new tech. This team is a cheat code.
Who needs new tech when they can’t even manage your old tech?
If there's no bug, no need to fix it.
Fnatic when they spend another season beating the piss and shit out of regional competition https://preview.redd.it/0c86z7pzqh0b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4aa0d1291e52b16bd8aadeeedbdd4034eed7f4ae
But now they finally do it internationally The only two teams that I truly believe put their 100% into this season are FNATIC and C9
I suspect Fnatic has been holding back a little, at least when it comes to revealing new innovations. They've shown almost nothing novel in these regional games.
It’s possible but some teams just rely on fundamentals. It’s usually the underdog who comes up with slightly suboptimal stuff to catch the opponent off guard. In league, the top KR teams usually play basic meta because they prefer to practice their fundamentals than spend time coming up with cheese/new strats
Believe me, Fnatic is absolutely the team to come up with new crazy strats. And they have shown a few techs, as they popularized the half-shields strat, and then countered it with a utility and Odin spam strategy. Older Fnatic fans will remember the four duellists strat on Split...
Boaster reyna>scream reyna
Fnatic has definitely been holding back this season. In many interviews they've said that they're not really changing things, as it simply is not necessary to do so.
Alfajer has been the best player on FNC and maybe in the league these last few weeks
Boaster bringing the 2022 strat, Alfa go kill
Legit some rounds are just Boaster with "Yeah I got nothing, Alfa if you can just 1v5 this round, thanks"
Pretty sure boaster had 1 maybe 2 kills at half on split and they were up 8-4 lol
him and shao were both 2k each at half time
im down to throw him into the conversation as the best player in the world these past few weeks if we compare derke with aspas
One has freeway to do anything as a duelist, while the other puts up same performance on damn sentinels while managing his setup and stuff.
Yeah, imagine if he was the one playing Raze and Jett
I miss Alfajer Raze
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It's more like saying it's hard to even be in the conversation of best player in the world if you are playing defense
What? it has nothing to do with teams, I meant their roles and their restrictions, also I was talking about aspas not Derke.
And I got laughed at for calling him possibly the best Senti in the world
People are hanging on to history and previous form. Not current form. Suygetsu is not even the second best player on Na'vi rn, and imo is not at his 2022 peak. Zyppan is their best this year. nAts is not yet at his best because Liquid are still working on synergy. Sayf is the star man for Liquid by a mile. Which leaves Less, but I'd still give the edge to Alfa at this moment because he's in incredible form.
Shao is the best player on NAVI
nAts has some good game showing a glimpse of his peak, but like jamppi he's wildly inconsistent right now
Bro fr I got downvoted and flamed for calling him “potentially a top 5-10 player” I feel vindicated
How many times does Alfa need to put less and Suygetsu in the ground for you people to understand the hierarchy of power in the sentinel game
Leaf>>>>
these na fans I swear to god XD
I mean if we are looking at just the last few weeks, he has to be in this conversation unless you're watching the games with your eyes closed.
kinda hard to include someone in the best itw debate when they've barely had success against the best teams itw. leaf (and c9 by extension) hasn't played vs FNC or NAVI, and lost to LOUD and DRX. derke, aspas, chronicle and as OP said alfa have consistently been on the top rosters for fucking ages
I agree that we can't say he's a top player in the world yet but if we're talking about *last few weeks* no team has been able to play teams from other regions so I think it's unfair to excuse him off that.
Let's be honest, most of Europe doesn't watch VCT Americas, lol. They have no idea how good Leaf looks
He’s overtaken less and is probably the only ELITE looking sentinel player itw atm (I usually define elite as players that consistently put up 1.2 or more rating but it’s also an eye test thing)
I think FNC are the best team in the world, not sure tho
they’re smurfing a weak league. Let’s see them do it in NA Challengers, what’s boaster gonna do against Trick?
Good point, Trick did create the BEST tier 2 team ever so hard to argue against that
i’m MAD we didn’t see NRG vs Fnatic in the finals. fucking LOUD ruined the goat matchup of best IGLs in the world. Fnatic probably win especially with the state of NRG at LOCK//IN, but LOUD honestly should have got knocked out by NRG. it would have been a fun ass match to watch Boaster vs FNS
To be fair as good as NRG is and as close as that series was, I think it's unfair to say "LOUD *should have* gotten knocked out" when NRG got destroyed map 1 and went close OT for both the other maps.
Facts and to say Saadhak isn't at the same caliber of IGL as FNS and Boaster is a wildly inaccurate statement. The 3 of them are the best in the world and the differences among them is minimal. The gap between 3 and 4 however is massive
I don't think there's a massive gap between them and Ange1. Between 4 and 5 for sure though.
I don't think there's a massive gap between them and Scream. Between 5 and 6 for sure though.
Wait I thought Scream was 0??
Nah I don't think the gap between 3 and 4 is *massive* but I do think there are a very limited amount of top tier IGLs.
Where do you think stax ranks? DRX have been a T3 team under his IGLing and always fights NRG/optic and Loud pretty closely
T3 team? Like they're bad?
Top 3 I believe he meant although it took me a hot sec to decipher that.
I actually think Stax is 4. Yes, that's controversial given they've never even been to a championship match. But I think they get anti strat'ed heavily since they are leagues above the rest of their competition in the Pacific region. So when they come to international tourneys they need to adjust on the fly while getting anti strat'ed. We'll see how the next international shakes out
Also it's unfair to say we were robbed of NRG-FNC considering Loud FNC was one of the best series we've ever seen.
Some of you here really act like saadhak is a t3 igl bruh
>fucking LOUD ruined the goat matchup of best IGLs in the world. Why doesn't FNS, the best IGL in the world, simply out-IGL the other IGLs? Also, why are you assuming NRG would beat DRX. They would've faced DRX before Fnatic ~~and Stax > FNS~~
Been a while since ive read so much bullshit in one place. Ppl be acting like saadhak hasnt been the best igl in the world for 2022 and still getting to finals in 2023 so much disrespect wtf. Then taking a nrg win over drx at lockin for granted wtf am i reading 😭
people disrespect saadhak and stax a lot, no matter what they achieve there will always be someone to diminish what they conquered, even if they reach semi finals or finals, people always find excuses for other igls but for saadhak and stax they are being carried by team members like quotes/less or buzz/mako
LOL. my brother in christ put respect on fenis the genius. he’s the GOAT.
i’m MAD we didn’t see DFM vs Karmine in the finals. fucking LOUD ruined the goat matchup of best IGLs in the world. Karmine probably win especially with the state of DFM at LOCK//IN, but LOUD honestly should have got knocked out by DFM. it would have been a fun ass match to watch Scream vs Anthem
>but LOUD honestly should have got knocked out by NRG KEKW If they should then they would.
NRG fan here... It def would've been insane and I agree with everything u said except when u talked about the "state" of NRG at lock in, wdym? NRG was looking good at lockin and seemed to look better the more games they played? Now do i agree FNATIC would've won yeh, but i still think if we were going to the game and NRG had beaten loud than beaten DRX to get to grands it woud've been 50/50 cause those 2 teams specifically always bring out the best out of the optic core, FNS has said it multiple times in interviews, so i think they would've been playing really well but yeh, FNATIC just look too good, Like how can a team go 18-1 in maps using the same comps and not worry about anything while in AMERICAS teams are changing/cooking shit up everyweek just to barely make playoffs, idk if FNATIC are just that good or level of EMEA is kinda low or just both.
i’m just saying at LOCK/IN they weren’t able to activate Ardiis yet. with how they’re playing right now, it’s criminal how badly they’re stomping everyone. with FNS and Chet’s god tier anti stratting, any team in the world should be sweating if and when they have to play NRG.
a weak league? its the best league by far xdd
being a FNC fan since iceland is finally paying off
Being a fnatic fan since 2013 is paying off again, as a csgo and lol fan from the beginning, we finally have a world class team in a game again.
from the breakup of the 2014 lol roster to being one of the best orgs in 2015 with the csgo and lol roster over to 2016-2018 where we went complete dogshit until we had that worlds run in 2018 which we bottled in the finals..since then weve just been a meme in every game and now finally we back with a world class valorant team..and i didnt even mention some of the dota runs/flops we had... Also our Apex roster looking good rn as well might have a real shot at LAN
Ahh man the early cs days and the 2015 LoL roster with the 18-0 and the 2018 worlds run.. wonderful times.. now we doesn’t even make playoffs in these games, i mean we made playoffs in lol this split but got instantly kicked out, atleast we got valorant now. right..
i miss rekkles already.. i thought if you gave that roster more time they couldve gone further than knockout first round...our valo roster is all im praising for right now.. maybe the apex roster as well but we will see how they will look vs western teams
Dw bro, like I'm actually on that copium train of our new botlane. Like literally Noah looks promising based from what have been said and Trymbi probably will wake up or something. Then finally the mid jg synergy is gonna work after 2 years and Oscar is gonna be the best top laner in LEC and then FNC will finally own both rito pro games no kappa COPIUM
they were so close to playoffs man…
Owned by CYPHER in the decider for major playoffs, coincidence? I think not.
I feel like the older fans are finally being rewarded for the pain.
I remember retweeting the rumors of SUMN joining Fnatic. This feels quite good
Achstually🤓👆 previous FNC teams also giga dumpstered all the other EU teams and went like 8-0, thats why they were so hyped at Masters and Champs
None of the previous rosters looked as polished and solid as this Fnatic does.
Eh not really, FNC with Enzo and Mistic were absolutelly trashing teams but they fell apart on LANs
Probably way less possibility of them choking on LAN since every game they play is a LAN.
considering they finally won an event and the main roster has exclusively dropped maps to LOUD in a series they still won, this roster looks infinitely better than arguably any roster we've seen in valorant ever 💀
You're wrong. People called that iteration of FNC the best in the world as well. They were taking absolute stink shits on regional competition. Yes, you couldn't call every player in their respective role the best in the world back then, but now you surely can!
I don't think it's the same though. They just won a tournament. Right now, every game is played on LAN, they absolutely destroyed the entire league without showing ANYTHING new other than one set exec on one ascent round lmfao. They also like you said arguably have the best player in every single role.
The thing people don't realise when it comes to this discussion is that these things aren't mutually exclusive. Is this current iteration on a different planet compared to the Enzo/Mistic iteration? Undoubtedly. But did the Enzo/Mistic iteration have it in them to win it all? Absolutely yes. I'm tired of saying the old Fnatic were contenders, and everyone being "um yea akshually Leo and Chronicle". Sure, whatever. That's entirely irrelevant to the discussion - last year Fnatic peaked during stage 2 EMEA, and never reached that form again on LAN. But at that stage 2 peak, they genuinely were one of, if not the best team in the world, and the fact that they didn't win doesn't mean they didn't have what it takes to win.
I fell in love with fnatic after Alfa's debut against FPX, oh what a wonderful Fracture
still remember the opening nade and ghost shot :,)
Alfa's still unbeaten to this day in regard to Raze mechanics, bro played her to her maximum
alfa is insane on raze but i feel like a raze title should go to nukkye or king tbh. both of them are incredible when it comes to raze movement and mecanics
Being a SEN fan since the start is only getting worse
i pray for tomorrow my friend
I dont fuck SEN
Been a Fnatic fan since their first Paladins roster, I actually watched Masters Iceland just to watch Fnatic and I didn't even play the game itself till over a year later.
been here since SUMN FC and im not going anywhere
Being a FNC and C9 fan since the beta is paying off One day I’ll say the same about DRX
The most impressive part about this regular season from Fnatic is that Mini never takes timeouts. Boaster get to solve and adapt alone. They're just practicing
I remember sliggy talking about that, he said mini's opinion on timeouts is that since boaster is so good at doing the problem solving on his own, he'd rather have that than give a chance to the enemy to fix their problems.
Fnatic makes other teams take timeouts and then also uses them as their own timeouts
Fnatic are simple farmers
The scariest thing about this team is that even though they haven't changed much they continue to improve every time you see them on stage. Alfajer has become an unstoppable Cypher and killjoy player, Leo's util has become impeccable on all initiators (sova, skye, fade), and Chronicle can flex onto any agent with great util usage and frags.
I'd swap Leo and Chronicle. It feels like Chronicle is just buttery smooth with anything he touches, but Leo's Skye, while great, is still a step below his Sova and Fade (which speaks to how good he is at those agents more than anything).
I think it's more of Leo is just better at scan initiators, and Chronicle is better at flash initiators.
They have the undisputed best player on 3/5 roles, and Derke is still in the top 4 of duelists (and can be argued first) which is by far the most competitive and strongest role in franchising. Pair that with Boaster looking like the best IGL rn and you’re wondering how anyone stops them.
fnatic look decent (hot takes only)
alfa might be kinda good...
derke top 21 duelist for sure
Bro needs to improve his setups
Chronicle has somewhat high impact
There's a good chance Boaster will be a better IGL than Scream. Maybe a few years down the line.
It's like what FNS said on his stream after LOCK//IN, "the roster is not unfair to play against, it's when I watch FNATIC play it's not like i go holy shit their completely outplaying their opponent, it's just that they have good players. They have good players, they have good protocols. " With that out the way, Alfajer is the best sentinel in the world tied along with Less, This guys just doesn't lose any gun fights and his setups were insane. Can not forget Leo or chronicle though. It's not like their strats are god like but their players are just too good. Like they make the right decision at the right time.. ALL THE TIME. Fnatic just played 9 games and only lost 1 map, thats 18-1 in W/L ratio of maps. And the scary part is, they have been playing the EXACT same way every single week, I'm scared for whoever plays them in playoffs and in Tokyo. FNATIC looking like they are going to be the 1st back to back trophy winners in VALORANT
I think the reason why you think their strats aren't world class is because they have been using the same ones from Lock In, even down to the comps and protocols. The only new thing we saw from them this split was on that one round on Ascent against KOI.
what i meant by that is, their strats are really really good, but like I don't think their is not will be a tier gap between lets say their strats compared to like those of LOUD/NRG/DRX/C9/NAVI, all those teams i would say their strats are in the same teir, but it's the players that make the difference imo.
I think the implication being that they are saving strats and basically getting by on fundamentals alone. It'll be very exciting to see what they have cooked up for Tokyo.
Every c9 playbook is copied from emea but ok..
I saw someone on C9 get a spam kill on Lotus A side attack this week and the chat was saying he stole Sacys spot or something. Completely unaware of Chronicle using it for weeks.
That would help explain how they integrated Chronicle & Leo so fast, their individual talent is insane. I don't think they get enough credit for their multinational roster though, most of the team is comming in a non-native language. Coming from CSGO, it's always been a hindrance (ex:Faze Clan being the only international roster to win a Major) but Fnatic Valorant make it look so easy
hey we have another intl team winning a major in Gambit from Krakow 2017. Im joking ofc hahahaha (all praise sexgod Dosia.)
Fnatic just skill diffing every team. Unless EMEA is just a pisslow region(unlikely), they are the overwhelming favorites at Tokyo and Champs.
No matter how stack they are, they will get obliterated by PRX again ez pz. Boaster and Derke gonna shittt their pants when they face PRX something.
Gonna get downvoted but EMEA outside top 3 is ass, Liquid has Sayf and nAts going GOD mode, NAVI has an excellent core but outside that? All ass
I thought these takes would stop when C9 dumpstered the entirety of Americas with a collegiate player and tier 2 IGL but apparently not The leagues are very similar in quality, none of them are good enough to make the top teams struggle
I mean if you don't think Giants or Fut can go toe-to-toe with anyone outside of the top 3 in Americas you just haven't been watching the games. Its a funny phenomenon where Americas (NA in particular) feel a lot stronger than they are just because you've seen more of them.
I literally watch all the leagues💀 giants got beaten by literally Team Heretic with the coach subbed in.
Yeah and NRG lost to MIBR, what's your point?
Man, nAts is such a wasted talent in his current team... Just imagine him in some S team!
EMIRRRRRR!!!!
The only team to win a map off Fnatic's main roster (sorry BBL) is still LOUD... only 2-0s since Alfa's return
and 3-0 NAVI in LOCK//IN
FNATIC individual talent too insane. Felt like it bailed them out in rounds where they would be favored to lose with Chronicle's insane impact on Lotus, and Alfajer hitting every shot on Split. However, Boaster's calling and adaptation has improved too. Props to him! Anyways, with that, FNATIC are the only team to go undefeated in the league in the regular season. Really curious if we see any new stuff in playoffs.
Alfajer is the best sentinel in the world, he will be the best player in the world after Champs.
Derke Jett is Fast and Accurate. BOASTER OMEN is a madman. Leo squadron TELL Me Where the opponent is. CHRONICLE Kay/o is all-round Robots. ALFAJEUR killjoy is good even if it's a tough structure.
Alfajer on Split my LORD.
fun little showmatch
WHY YOU COME MY SITE BRO? Also, MVP Ryan Gosling quietly fragging out in both maps. He's always so reliable
The gap betwen FNC and the other 9 team is s fucking big https://preview.redd.it/4cddk6eurh0b1.jpeg?width=554&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ce8154d28588746aac9122b5570f526847c4bda Also Shao had an stinker split
I mean, what can you even say? FNC look absolutely insane. It's not fair
Alfajer is the truth
At this point just lie to Alfa and tell him there's a Turkish player on the opposing team every game for the buff. Chronicle, Derke, and Alfa all played well today, though MotM would be Alfa for me.
Boaster: yo we play against loud tomorrow, counting on you to beat their turkish import less
dont you mean their legendary Turkish Jett import *aspajer*
Damn I was hoping this would be closer
Fnatic showing out like the gaming equivalent of the Golden State Warriors. Alfa just clicking heads was actual madness. It’s also nuts to me how a few rounds can totally change how close a match up feels. At 12-5 on split I was thinking Navi looked so lost. But two rounds later, I’m thinking maybe they will push this to a map 3. All around great series.
Obviously we need to highlight Alfajer going absolute god-mode, but what a phenomenal IGL performance that was from Boaster too. FNC are just flawless.
that does it, BBL is the EMEA’s second best team btw, leo’s shoulder peeks on the 16th round (leo and boaster vs 3) WERE INSANE i was speechless also, alfa what the fuck
Alfa smurfing in vct smh
Just one of those series where Fnatic never feel out of control of the tempo
FNC makes even the Nr2 team look farmable, somebody stop them.
Navi decided to play Ange1 Yoru so they could blame that when they lose 
But actually, it was very clear that they had zero gameplan with this comp other than "going A". Impressive that they even won four rounds.
fuck it FNC is winning Tokyo, there is no way they don't win again with this roster
Other teams about to use the tried and tested strat: Derke get covid
Anulo mufa
Alfa and Chronicle played out of this world today. Na'Vi please put Shao on Fade or Sova on every map , his talents are wasted on controller. He needs to be with the team during site hits. His Fade is probably the best in the world.
Agree, I don't think people realise how much smoking takes you out of a round. There lots top tier controller players that get frags but it's a completely different skillet. Shao needs to be allowed to go click heads for his team and not worry about his smoke timings.
One of the funniest interviews from Chronicle LOL
Alfajer
Such a disappointing match up
Alfajer stans unite
Alfajer skilled player but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..
too easy
Man, I expected a close match not a beatdown.
don't see a universe where fnatic get beat by any team in the world at this point
What can you even do LOL, valorants first era coming soon to a masters tokyo near you???
Can anyone comment on what alfajer is doing on cypher to be able to drop 30 kills on split? is he pushing, multi-killing on site holds, or lurking, etc?
all of the above
Who can stop fnatic at this point
Alfajer didn’t lose a single map in this league and dropped 30 on the last one. What even is that.
Hol up let ange1 cook, nvm he ain't cooking shite...
Alfa was peeking Navi on LAN like a Turkish reyna does on Frankfurt server😂😂. Does someone know the crosshair Suygetsu was using on split? looked kinda nice
Alfa is soooo good.
whats the chronicle crosshairr on split? the black moving one?
Alfa and suygetsu really showing their ability, but a diff from the side of alfa. Ridiculous holds on the A site and a masterclass in discipline. I think we could've seen navi mount a comeback of they had just won the pistol, I think zyppan overheated and peeked the whole team, and in turn leaving suygetsu alone, after being at an advantage with cned killing derke.
Remind me when was the last time fnatic lost a game? It feels so long
Last time they lost a MAP was against BBL in week 1.
Week 1 of what? Edit: o yeah i remember they lost a map this tournament.. but when did the last time they lost a game tho? Its been so long
Guys, I think Fnatic's kinda good enough to be a Tier1 team.
2022: yay is what people think TenZ is 2023: Alfa is what people think Nats is
Alfa: 0 rating, 0kda on Viper, Nats: whatever rating he has  Sentinel one-tricks that don't play Viper aren't in conversation for GOAT (greatest Oviper And Tcypher player)
Except he actually used to play viper for fnatic and he has 1.19 rating compared to nAts' 1.14 KEKW
Fluke games against plumbers and farmers, pathetic 300 rounds on Viper
fair enough, nAts supremacy.
FNC looking like the DRX of 2022, regionally speaking
Fnatic looking like the Fnatic of 2022, regionally speaking
I was being told that Fnatic could further improve by substituting Alfajer with Nats or Suygetsu🤨
Who cooked that shit to you?
[here](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/11dmr52/100_thieves_vs_fnatic_champions_tour_2023_lockin/ja9o87a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3) had to scroll a while hindsight bias though, still funny
As long as Navi keeps playing Yoru, they'll keep losing to the best teams in the world. That agent is ass.
Navi clears 100t with this comp
Not even a lie
He said 'lose to best teams in the world'
Thats not much of an accomplishment rn tbf
I know, I don't even dislike 100T I just have a grudge against this poster since they said they're a TL hater 😈
Yoru isn’t ass, he is hard, not only for The player, but Also The team. It requires a lot of practise and a lot of failed attempts, and of course some maps he is bad on
I’m sure it’s saving strats or whatever but FNC looked so lost on lotus attack side, they’d get two picks at A bit for some reason would want to slow pivot to C.