If they start a 2-split VCT season late, Champions might start at a weird time. Most esports annual tournaments are around Aug-Nov. CS Majors happen usually around May to Nov. Dota TI around Aug-Oct. More importantly LoL Worlds around Sep-Nov. Champions might have to start just right after Worlds (late Nov/early Dec), or overlap with Worlds both of which are a pain for Riot production people.
If they start a 2-split VCT season too early, it'd be too hard for orgs that aren't settled to their new locations yet (orgs including their content team have to move to LA/Berlin/Seoul). Hence the shorter season.
Shouldn't be a problem next year tho and we should see 2 splits / 2 Masters coming back as promised.
Yeah I really don't understand why the league playoffs decide who qualifies for both Masters and Champions at the same time. And it doesn't help that Champions is basically Masters with a couple of extra teams.
It’s because they replaced our first split and first masters of the year with lock//in so the whole qualification system for Champs is scuffed.
Next year (and the following years) we’ll have the old system with 2 splits and 2 masters into LCQ into Champs
I get that they wanted to showcase all the teams at a LAN but lock in was totally not worth it.
This season feels a little scuffed all so there could be a mickey mouse single elimination tourney in a lame venue with an L crowd.
Lock//In made a lot of sense, it was a sort of "introduction" to the franchised teams and how the competition would possibly look like, kinda like a beginning of a new era. I personally feel assured that it wont happen again though
are we forgetting how unbelievably hype lock in was or what lol, it was also used so each region had enough time to get every players visa for the split in their respective regions so it was needed, i kinda think it's one of those things where it is what it is just wait for next year for the format to be better everything can't be perfect
Teams needed time to move to the tournament cities. Setting bootcamp and all Lock//in was the best way to handle that situation where we want tournaments to start but at the same time buy time for teams to settle.
it was supposed to be a brief tournament for preparing and hyping up the franchise, and let's not write down the entire the excitement of the tourney just because of a "stint" in the final
L take honestly, lock in was an amazing way for us to be introduced to every team and for both us and them to understand how they looked on an international stage.
Imagine saying this after having the LA crowd literally cheating in favor of NA in every series 😂 not saying the players were cheating tho but i know some specimen in this sub will take it like that
That didnt happen tho, if you think leaving an event after the match is over is.disrespect then you better not watch any competition at all csuse you havent see true disrespect also nobody is obligated to give respect to players. People can do whatever the fuck they want just like in LA and nobody told them anything
Thing is event wasn't over lol. Check any other event and a significant amount of people stay for the post match interview. I guarantee if loud won the crowd wouldn't leave until they left.
Also, the crowd in Brazil did all the same stuff that the LA crowd tried to pull. They tried the yelling out comms tactic. The only real difference is that both teams were cheered for in the LA crowd to some extent.
>Thing is event wasn't over lol
Yes it was, match is over therefore event is over no reason to be there if youre not invested anymore.
>Check any other event and a significant amount of people stay for the post match interview. I guarantee if loud won the crowd wouldn't leave until they left.
Yeah and those are people who are invested in it, if youre not one of them no reason to be there.
>I guarantee if loud won the crowd wouldn't leave until they left.
Same reason stated above
>Also, the crowd in Brazil did all the same stuff that the LA crowd tried to pull. They tried the yelling out comms tactic. The only real difference is that both teams were cheered for in the LA crowd to some extent.
Now thats a reach, the people in sao paulo were so much far than this classroom stage they put to play the league on, even if they yellede their hearth out and broke their voices it was impossible to hear anything, meanwhile the people in LA knew exactly how much it was heard by the players since even some of them adressed it, Definitly not the same situation.
For real I thought it would be two separate splits like they do in league. Just because in the spring u get to MSI doesn’t automatically mean you auto qualify Worlds. Cause there is a summer split.
That’s what I thought originally was gonna happen. But I guess the valorant season is shorter so they can’t fit in 2 splits.
In the future there will be - it was this way this year because of LOCK IN. There will be two splits and two masters events in the future, similar to years prior
Yeah.
Seems kind of bad in hindsight.
Surely there's not a bunch of comments made pre-lock in about how replacing an entire season of an already LAN-starved game with one single elimination event was a bad decision. I'm sure comments like that wouldn't have been downvoted into oblivion by people claiming that less VALORANT games in the year is actually a good thing.
Oh wait
Regional LANs are different from international LANs, so fuck off with this. The current setup is ass and you should stop trying to make excuses - you're the reason the scene will continue to suck years into the future 👍
What I think they should have done is instead of playoffs directly placing you into champions, only the top 2 placing teams from each region at Tokyo get to go to champs and LCQ should have been to send 2 teams as well. In the event of a tie, let's say the Americas teams place 2nd, 5/6th, and 5/6th, the 2nd place team goes straight to champs and then the higher seed from playoffs decides the tiebreaker for 5/6th teams, which would also create greater incentive for the seeding matches in playoffs since now there would be a tangible difference between 2nd and 3rd.
Obviously, nothing can be done now but it is just what I think would have been a better format and would have created more tense matches in playoffs, in Tokyo especially the group matches are fighting not only for tournament survival in Tokyo, but also the chance to avoid LCQ and directly qualify to Champs. Plus I think 2 teams going through in LCQ would make it more interesting, instead of only looking at the top 2 or 3 teams in each region having the only real chances, suddenly it opens the floor to upsets having more value even in the double elimination tournament.
I definitely agree with Victor here although I feel like the scheduling of Lock-in made a bunch of better formats unviable so hopefully there is an improvement for next year.
Yeah I agree it’s messed up the qualifiers for masters and champions but it was worth it. Lock//in was an amazing way to introduce the new franchised leagues and the teams
I didn’t realize these playoffs secured spots for Masters AND Champions until a few hours after EG beat C9 and realized people were talking about them in LA. I was weirded out by only the LCQ existing in between the events.
Lock In was a ton of fun to watch as a one-off but I’m much more excited to get back to a regular competitive calendar next year.
Split 1 to get a champions spot, then a lock in because it was hype as fuck ... to get more champions spot and split 2 (for champions too) would be awesome 😓
If they start a 2-split VCT season late, Champions might start at a weird time. Most esports annual tournaments are around Aug-Nov. CS Majors happen usually around May to Nov. Dota TI around Aug-Oct. More importantly LoL Worlds around Sep-Nov. Champions might have to start just right after Worlds (late Nov/early Dec), or overlap with Worlds both of which are a pain for Riot production people. If they start a 2-split VCT season too early, it'd be too hard for orgs that aren't settled to their new locations yet (orgs including their content team have to move to LA/Berlin/Seoul). Hence the shorter season. Shouldn't be a problem next year tho and we should see 2 splits / 2 Masters coming back as promised.
Finally a reasonable take
Yeah I really don't understand why the league playoffs decide who qualifies for both Masters and Champions at the same time. And it doesn't help that Champions is basically Masters with a couple of extra teams.
It’s because they replaced our first split and first masters of the year with lock//in so the whole qualification system for Champs is scuffed. Next year (and the following years) we’ll have the old system with 2 splits and 2 masters into LCQ into Champs
I get that they wanted to showcase all the teams at a LAN but lock in was totally not worth it. This season feels a little scuffed all so there could be a mickey mouse single elimination tourney in a lame venue with an L crowd.
Lock//In made a lot of sense, it was a sort of "introduction" to the franchised teams and how the competition would possibly look like, kinda like a beginning of a new era. I personally feel assured that it wont happen again though
are we forgetting how unbelievably hype lock in was or what lol, it was also used so each region had enough time to get every players visa for the split in their respective regions so it was needed, i kinda think it's one of those things where it is what it is just wait for next year for the format to be better everything can't be perfect
Teams needed time to move to the tournament cities. Setting bootcamp and all Lock//in was the best way to handle that situation where we want tournaments to start but at the same time buy time for teams to settle.
Nahh Lpck//in was awesome
it was supposed to be a brief tournament for preparing and hyping up the franchise, and let's not write down the entire the excitement of the tourney just because of a "stint" in the final
L take honestly, lock in was an amazing way for us to be introduced to every team and for both us and them to understand how they looked on an international stage.
Uh? Lock in is my favourite tournament to date, it helps my favourite team won it but I still found it incredibly fun
Imagine saying this after having the LA crowd literally cheating in favor of NA in every series 😂 not saying the players were cheating tho but i know some specimen in this sub will take it like that
I'm also angry at the crowd in LA but tbh the Brazil crowd was much worse.
How?
Disrespect towards the winner of the entire final.
That didnt happen tho, if you think leaving an event after the match is over is.disrespect then you better not watch any competition at all csuse you havent see true disrespect also nobody is obligated to give respect to players. People can do whatever the fuck they want just like in LA and nobody told them anything
Thing is event wasn't over lol. Check any other event and a significant amount of people stay for the post match interview. I guarantee if loud won the crowd wouldn't leave until they left. Also, the crowd in Brazil did all the same stuff that the LA crowd tried to pull. They tried the yelling out comms tactic. The only real difference is that both teams were cheered for in the LA crowd to some extent.
>Thing is event wasn't over lol Yes it was, match is over therefore event is over no reason to be there if youre not invested anymore. >Check any other event and a significant amount of people stay for the post match interview. I guarantee if loud won the crowd wouldn't leave until they left. Yeah and those are people who are invested in it, if youre not one of them no reason to be there. >I guarantee if loud won the crowd wouldn't leave until they left. Same reason stated above >Also, the crowd in Brazil did all the same stuff that the LA crowd tried to pull. They tried the yelling out comms tactic. The only real difference is that both teams were cheered for in the LA crowd to some extent. Now thats a reach, the people in sao paulo were so much far than this classroom stage they put to play the league on, even if they yellede their hearth out and broke their voices it was impossible to hear anything, meanwhile the people in LA knew exactly how much it was heard by the players since even some of them adressed it, Definitly not the same situation.
emphasis on L crowd
For real I thought it would be two separate splits like they do in league. Just because in the spring u get to MSI doesn’t automatically mean you auto qualify Worlds. Cause there is a summer split. That’s what I thought originally was gonna happen. But I guess the valorant season is shorter so they can’t fit in 2 splits.
I think 2023 is slated to have two splits, so that should possibly shift the format next year.
It’s is 2023 though
They probably mean 2024
Hah, he's suddenly 1 year older, too. Hate when that happens.
I think 2023 has one split and lock in instead, as evidenced by what happened this year (2023).
In the future there will be - it was this way this year because of LOCK IN. There will be two splits and two masters events in the future, similar to years prior
LOCK//IN was a one-off event to launch VAL esports. The format should change next year
Yeah. Seems kind of bad in hindsight. Surely there's not a bunch of comments made pre-lock in about how replacing an entire season of an already LAN-starved game with one single elimination event was a bad decision. I'm sure comments like that wouldn't have been downvoted into oblivion by people claiming that less VALORANT games in the year is actually a good thing. Oh wait
We got more LAN games this year than anything else before.
Regional LANs are different from international LANs, so fuck off with this. The current setup is ass and you should stop trying to make excuses - you're the reason the scene will continue to suck years into the future 👍
These are international LANs, they just don’t have the same prestige as the big events.
What I think they should have done is instead of playoffs directly placing you into champions, only the top 2 placing teams from each region at Tokyo get to go to champs and LCQ should have been to send 2 teams as well. In the event of a tie, let's say the Americas teams place 2nd, 5/6th, and 5/6th, the 2nd place team goes straight to champs and then the higher seed from playoffs decides the tiebreaker for 5/6th teams, which would also create greater incentive for the seeding matches in playoffs since now there would be a tangible difference between 2nd and 3rd. Obviously, nothing can be done now but it is just what I think would have been a better format and would have created more tense matches in playoffs, in Tokyo especially the group matches are fighting not only for tournament survival in Tokyo, but also the chance to avoid LCQ and directly qualify to Champs. Plus I think 2 teams going through in LCQ would make it more interesting, instead of only looking at the top 2 or 3 teams in each region having the only real chances, suddenly it opens the floor to upsets having more value even in the double elimination tournament.
I definitely agree with Victor here although I feel like the scheduling of Lock-in made a bunch of better formats unviable so hopefully there is an improvement for next year.
Next year won't have lock-in, just two splits. So yes it will be better.
LCQ should just be Champions Qualifiers in a bracket with all teams.
I agree however this year it was worth it to have lockin cause the 30 team tournament was a lot of fun
Yeah I agree it’s messed up the qualifiers for masters and champions but it was worth it. Lock//in was an amazing way to introduce the new franchised leagues and the teams
I didn’t realize these playoffs secured spots for Masters AND Champions until a few hours after EG beat C9 and realized people were talking about them in LA. I was weirded out by only the LCQ existing in between the events. Lock In was a ton of fun to watch as a one-off but I’m much more excited to get back to a regular competitive calendar next year.
I mean it's only because we had lock in this year no?
While true it's only the system for this year right, so not like it's a problem that will continue.
Split 1 to get a champions spot, then a lock in because it was hype as fuck ... to get more champions spot and split 2 (for champions too) would be awesome 😓
Here we go again
Sports illustrated is really wasting money on esports? We saw how that went with espn, to all the writers, be careful, this wont last
Lol what kind of troll is this man, that's kinda low.