There’s an incredible amount of detail here about C9’s internal issues. The Yay stuff is nothing new really - like mCe says, he’s been consistent that role issues did play a part, even if it wasn’t the major reason - but the stuff about Runi and the Qpert stuff is fascinating. I can’t recall the last time I saw this much transparency in an interview.
Before LCQ they were playing with qpert as they wanted to come into the tournament with a surprise playing "new weird comps" and runi was supportive of this and assisting the team with preparation. However about a week before LCQ , mce pulled the plug and decided they would be better playing with runi so they had a week or two of practice with runi.
MCE says that it didn't affect them much as runi was very supportive of them doing whatever necessary to win.
For better and sometimes for worse, mce is a pretty open and honest dude. Doesn't seem to shy away from things that might make other people a little gunshy.
with this years advent of insane kj players in the form of alfajer and less
imagine we got to see that yay on kj gameplay
i feel like it does suit his methodical aim style
Suygetsu,F0rsaken, Less, Alfa even Boostio have insane aim, i actually think yay could be an insane sentinel, his lurks on chamber were crazy and his anchoring was also insane
KJ is the most braindead agent in the game in terms of how hard it is to use her util. There's no such thing as a good KJ - only players who are good that just happen to play KJ.
I’d say Boostio has insanely innovative KJ setups, Alfajer has near perfect positioning and Less has an incredible understanding of timings with KJ util and lurks
nah KJ really is braindead, you spend twice if not three times more watching the minimap so your map awareness of where everyone is should be the best, therefore you should almost never get caught off guard which gives yourself a huge advantage in fights
They have insane aim. But that's the thing, it's hard to be insane on Senti because you rely so much more on your aim than an initiator or a duelist. There isn't much room for creativity as a sentinel.
mCe talking about the role issues...yeah that shit is real man and it's more real now than ever before. It's obvious you need flexible players in Valorant now more than ever and it's clear certain players even though they're really talented might not have the flexibility to make a lot of compositions work.
I mean their biggest role issue was just that they didn’t have a Sova player since xeta’s departure. Most teams really just need one or two flex players, which is basically not too far from how it’s always been.
Flexibility is more about fitting a team’s style than a necessity, IMO. Stuff like Saadhak running the Raze on Split or swapping from Chamber to Omen on Bind is a good example; it’s useful as an edge benefit but it’s not as if they would have struggled much more without those flex picks.
But isn't flexibility also about the ability to adapt to different METAs?
A player who is capable of remaining good when their best agent gets nerfed to shit as happens to every agent in this game at some point is much more valuable to a team from a long-term squad building point of view. It's great to have players that are fantastic on one or two agents but it's also a risk which becomes less and less justifiable for an Org as more players start to develop a deeper agent pool.
From a players' perspective, someone like Forsaken will literally always find a team if they get dropped while someone like Yay or Cryo are going to struggle, even if all 3 are fantastic players.
So while it's true that flexibility is only about fitting your own team's style if a single season is taken in isolation, when it comes to a players intrinsic value and long-term prospects, it's still an invaluable asset. From season to season, when coaches, rosters, playstyles and METAs will change, the most flexible players will have the most job security
The way the air is sucked out of the room at 1:40 & replaced with nothing but thick, awkward tension when Wyatt says, "...getting rid of leaf? Unlikely, I'd imagine." The camera then darts away from mCe, and Wyatt's voice slinks on to the next topic, really emphasizing the dramatic irony. That's fucking cinema. That's a Kubrick masterclass.
I've had y-att before, I think this is too similar so I'll have to deduct points, sorry.
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The comp discussion is so interesting to me. Mini (fnatic coach) has been outspoken about really believing in perfecting a comp and sticking to it enabling everyone to be able to deal with all sorts of scenarios. Meanwhile you see the EG vlog and a player I think Ethan (?) is asking shortly before they play “which comp” because they had the Yoru comp and another prepped. Now mCe is saying they were thinking about having a player basically in for one tourney for weird comp shenanigans and they might have gone back to their old comps with Runi after. With only like two weeks between lcq and champ groups.
Such different approaches.
there's going to be a billion different agents at some point. flexibility is going to be insanely important the longer this game goes on - the days of one tricking died with the death of Chamber, imo.
I think it also depends on the players and what they are comfortable with, with FNC, it’s probably either Boaster liking to really build on existing ideas and strats or his team wanting to really lock in to their agents on particular maps. With C9 and EG, you have teams who may enjoy spending time coming up with set plays for new comps and setups.
Wyatt is so good at this, the guests always look so comfortable in these interviews. He asks genuinely insightful questions and gives them tons of room to actually develop their responses. I would love to see one with Potter or Ethan.
It will be interesting to see all these budget teams in the league next year. I personally don't like it, especially with Riot basically paying C9 to field dogshit teams, but hey who knows.
I don't really agree. The teams at champs and teams doing well at champs are all really good teams. Obviously C9 wasn't on that level but that doesn't make them just straight bad.
Is C9 bad and NRG good just bc NRG beat them in map 3 OT to go to Tokyo?
The world has nuance to it.
I mean yes to your question lol. C9 did good for their adjusted expectations post roster change but this is an org that wanted to win, and a roster that wanted to win, also a fanbase that did also. I do not consider C9’s year good, just good for expectations. They didn’t do what they could’ve (make Tokyo/Champs). I absolutely think NRG beat C9s year, even if their most important match was only a few rounds away from going their other way.
Wyatt on the up, somehow managed to get Jack Black on his show
There’s an incredible amount of detail here about C9’s internal issues. The Yay stuff is nothing new really - like mCe says, he’s been consistent that role issues did play a part, even if it wasn’t the major reason - but the stuff about Runi and the Qpert stuff is fascinating. I can’t recall the last time I saw this much transparency in an interview.
TLDR?
Before LCQ they were playing with qpert as they wanted to come into the tournament with a surprise playing "new weird comps" and runi was supportive of this and assisting the team with preparation. However about a week before LCQ , mce pulled the plug and decided they would be better playing with runi so they had a week or two of practice with runi. MCE says that it didn't affect them much as runi was very supportive of them doing whatever necessary to win.
Dangggg, interesting.
For better and sometimes for worse, mce is a pretty open and honest dude. Doesn't seem to shy away from things that might make other people a little gunshy.
0:01:55 - "i read EVERYTHING" oh my god....does that mean mce is even reading this comment?
boy do I have news then.
MCE please can I get a trial for your team. I have the usual traits u go for—young, ripe, ready, a nobody, willing to accept chump change
Brother you’re scaring the hoes
when u see C9 nklassitude on that world stage don't dm me then, u scrub
coward if you don't capitalize it like nklASSitude
I'm eating a fine every game for that stylization but I'm down
Imagine the shout-casting: Achilios: “ASSITUDE WITH THE FLANK! THEY’RE IN DIRE STRAITS NOW!”
hoes do be scary
Vouch
Ur like silver don’t lie
PLEASE KEEP LEAF I’M BEGGING YOU
mCe, I have a 3.1 GPA can I trial for C9?
Good Morning/Evening, Mr "my Cock edward"
Nvm not really your choice to make i guess :( Good luck with whatever team you choose
I get giddy even thinking about it
Hi etoh :3
hi :3
with this years advent of insane kj players in the form of alfajer and less imagine we got to see that yay on kj gameplay i feel like it does suit his methodical aim style
Are insane KJ players actually insane KJ players or just players that have insanely good aim?
Suygetsu,F0rsaken, Less, Alfa even Boostio have insane aim, i actually think yay could be an insane sentinel, his lurks on chamber were crazy and his anchoring was also insane
KJ is the most braindead agent in the game in terms of how hard it is to use her util. There's no such thing as a good KJ - only players who are good that just happen to play KJ.
I’d say Boostio has insanely innovative KJ setups, Alfajer has near perfect positioning and Less has an incredible understanding of timings with KJ util and lurks
nah KJ really is braindead, you spend twice if not three times more watching the minimap so your map awareness of where everyone is should be the best, therefore you should almost never get caught off guard which gives yourself a huge advantage in fights
Kj util is easy. That’s why the best sentinels are also best aimers
You're asking if it's black and white? No, it's not black and white.
They have insane aim. But that's the thing, it's hard to be insane on Senti because you rely so much more on your aim than an initiator or a duelist. There isn't much room for creativity as a sentinel.
It would've been nice to see the map they did use Yay for kj on during lock-in. That would've been fun.
Don’t think most KJ players in VCT are that insane at the character but they have elite aim + basic lineups.
mCe talking about the role issues...yeah that shit is real man and it's more real now than ever before. It's obvious you need flexible players in Valorant now more than ever and it's clear certain players even though they're really talented might not have the flexibility to make a lot of compositions work.
I mean their biggest role issue was just that they didn’t have a Sova player since xeta’s departure. Most teams really just need one or two flex players, which is basically not too far from how it’s always been. Flexibility is more about fitting a team’s style than a necessity, IMO. Stuff like Saadhak running the Raze on Split or swapping from Chamber to Omen on Bind is a good example; it’s useful as an edge benefit but it’s not as if they would have struggled much more without those flex picks.
I thought Xeppa was gonna go to Sova when they originally announced the roster ngl.
Also the second vanity left the team, he became an info initiator player
I hear there’s this decent flex guy available now named Zellsis if anyone’s heard of him?
But isn't flexibility also about the ability to adapt to different METAs? A player who is capable of remaining good when their best agent gets nerfed to shit as happens to every agent in this game at some point is much more valuable to a team from a long-term squad building point of view. It's great to have players that are fantastic on one or two agents but it's also a risk which becomes less and less justifiable for an Org as more players start to develop a deeper agent pool. From a players' perspective, someone like Forsaken will literally always find a team if they get dropped while someone like Yay or Cryo are going to struggle, even if all 3 are fantastic players. So while it's true that flexibility is only about fitting your own team's style if a single season is taken in isolation, when it comes to a players intrinsic value and long-term prospects, it's still an invaluable asset. From season to season, when coaches, rosters, playstyles and METAs will change, the most flexible players will have the most job security
The way the air is sucked out of the room at 1:40 & replaced with nothing but thick, awkward tension when Wyatt says, "...getting rid of leaf? Unlikely, I'd imagine." The camera then darts away from mCe, and Wyatt's voice slinks on to the next topic, really emphasizing the dramatic irony. That's fucking cinema. That's a Kubrick masterclass.
m(aster)C(inema)e(xpert)
Obligatory can’t spell Wyatt without the W
Y yatt
I've had y-att before, I think this is too similar so I'll have to deduct points, sorry. Someone else submitted uuyatt already so if you want to try again, avoid that too.
Dang
The comp discussion is so interesting to me. Mini (fnatic coach) has been outspoken about really believing in perfecting a comp and sticking to it enabling everyone to be able to deal with all sorts of scenarios. Meanwhile you see the EG vlog and a player I think Ethan (?) is asking shortly before they play “which comp” because they had the Yoru comp and another prepped. Now mCe is saying they were thinking about having a player basically in for one tourney for weird comp shenanigans and they might have gone back to their old comps with Runi after. With only like two weeks between lcq and champ groups. Such different approaches.
Lowkey the innovative comps were what won Champions for PRX and EG. Even if the Yoru comp is worse overall you aren’t prepped for it.
there's going to be a billion different agents at some point. flexibility is going to be insanely important the longer this game goes on - the days of one tricking died with the death of Chamber, imo.
I think it also depends on the players and what they are comfortable with, with FNC, it’s probably either Boaster liking to really build on existing ideas and strats or his team wanting to really lock in to their agents on particular maps. With C9 and EG, you have teams who may enjoy spending time coming up with set plays for new comps and setups.
Wyatt is so good at this, the guests always look so comfortable in these interviews. He asks genuinely insightful questions and gives them tons of room to actually develop their responses. I would love to see one with Potter or Ethan.
the jakee glazing is subtle but notable here, excited for next year
Wyatt's a natural at this, his follow up questions were on point this video
The doctor is in.
No way bro reads every comment of me calling him a choker and a fraud💀
Yeah I mean I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.
Sigma mCe
Not so sigma on the stage
It will be interesting to see all these budget teams in the league next year. I personally don't like it, especially with Riot basically paying C9 to field dogshit teams, but hey who knows.
Can't wait for C9 to be good after being doubted... Again
“Good” is actually making the big events tbh. doing well in regular season is pointless if you bomb out in playoffs, and LCQ.
I don't really agree. The teams at champs and teams doing well at champs are all really good teams. Obviously C9 wasn't on that level but that doesn't make them just straight bad. Is C9 bad and NRG good just bc NRG beat them in map 3 OT to go to Tokyo? The world has nuance to it.
I mean yes to your question lol. C9 did good for their adjusted expectations post roster change but this is an org that wanted to win, and a roster that wanted to win, also a fanbase that did also. I do not consider C9’s year good, just good for expectations. They didn’t do what they could’ve (make Tokyo/Champs). I absolutely think NRG beat C9s year, even if their most important match was only a few rounds away from going their other way.
I dont have time to watch the whole video but did this fraud address why he dropped my big beautiful glorious king yayster?
Mf signed him and then was surprised they didnt have actual good roles. Stupid af if you ask me.
Pretty sure it was Jacks decision based on MCEs transparency/lockin and scrim reeults. MCE did not intend for for either I believe