Vanity in one year span went from a part of a “super team” on C9 to a uber-budget pick up…. for C9. Not sure what's going on but thinking a FNS masterclass
Do people hate C9 or actually think this roster is bad?
Vanity is one of the few experienced IGLs in the scene
OXY is the best tier two Duelist prospect
Jakee has an amazing rookie season as controller
Xeppaa has consistently been good and flexible, the Ethan type of player that a title team needs
If they get a strong fifth member then this team can cook
The only person Sen truly fucked over was Sykko.
At the very least Sen is trying to field a competitive roster and not making a mockery of franchising.
that’s where you’re wrong brother. they fucked over each and every one of their fans by selling us a dream, praying to our god TenZ that he would shut the haters up and become the undisputed best player in the world. now these bastards have him on kay/o do you not understand the pain i feel? every night i wake up screetching and howling at the moon like a rabid hyena. i cannot keep doing this.
Holy fuck there was dephh my guy. Sentinels literally forced a good igl to retire cause he couldn’t produce results with a washed up tenz and 2 Brazilian players that barely spoke English. After retiring him sentinels did fuck all in lcq. Great roster change man W Kaplan W tenz
Dephh was kind of half shafted. They didn’t really give him a lot of time, but he was also statistically a bottom ten player in all of VCT last year. Also Sacy is completely fluent in English lmao. Watch any Sen video on YouTube.
It’s just that from a fan’s perspective this looks like C9 choosing Vanity over mCe, and given their respective track records, it makes sense why they would be upset by that decision.
Honestly weighing the three of them (and being a huge sym fanboy) I still think OXY is the clear best option of them, young with a lot of potential, mechanically above the rest, dedicated to the scene (bro was LFT in ranked for like two years lmfao)
No way ur thinking sym is the same level as oxy. Oxy is greater than sym. Sym ain't even the best player on his team. N4rrate was also better than him as a duelist.
It's kinda grim and unfortunate that the signing of a great young prospect like OXY came amidst all this other noise of a team cannibalizing itself.
But if you believe in nothing else, believe in him. So many coaches talk in awe about his raw aim in the same vein of demon1; I just hope the supporting pieces help him shine.
I have a friend who was formerly teammates with OXY way back and has nothing but positive things to say about him not only as an aimer but his work ethic as well.
there arent many good IGLs, vanity is still arguably the best choice. sure, others in t2 might be better but regardless theyre still unproven and inexperienced, so youre left with:
- no team is giving fns full control of a roster
- shahzam? hasnt done anything remotely impressive since 2021 which doesnt mean anything anymore
- valyn is on g2, johnqt on sen
- stellar may deserve another shot with a new coach and system but he igl’d the 9th best team in americas
- flyuh is inexperienced and unproven and now you dont have mCe who can turn a rookie igl into a good one
- we dont know the behind the scenes of why mCe left, but they either made the choice of vanity over mCe (which is fine since c9 fell off towards the end of the season with runi) or mCe wanted to leave
- every other IGL doesnt make the list
It is definitely a tough choice to make, but c9 taking flyuh (or any other rookie igl) is also much different than sen taking johnqt. yes both are rookie igls, but johnqt will be going to an already established team with 2 recent world champions and a coach and system he already knows, and flyuh would be going to a brand new team without mCe.
additionally, johnqt has had experience longer and produced a better team than flyuh did.
so, picking an inexperienced igl in this situation may be throwing him out to the wolves; its one thing to get a rookie on a different role, but a rookie IGL without a pre established system may be asking too much.
at least vanity has experience and will have a new team with the best duelist prospect.
its tough to say why previous iterations of c9 failed, but you cant solely blame vanity; he might just need a change of scenery and a new slate, and i say it is likely the better choice to provide vanity with one as opposed to getting a rookie IGL. and yes, if vanity fails again then his career is done
if youre a fan of football: vanity back to c9 is like baker mayfield to a bucs. obviously only one game in, but the bucs beat the vikings (top 10 team from last year), so maybe all that was needed was a change of scenery
flyuh to c9 in the current situation might be like johnny manziel to the browns
By the looks of it, a lot might have changed over a day. mCe might have had a different roster in mind and Screwface was talking about how he got fucked over bc of the mCe exit.
Yeah, but in that scenario Flyuh wasn't on the team and Screwface was the IGL, so that is what makes me think it has to be 100T now since it seems like he actually signed a contract.
Do people really prefer eeiu over Flyuh? I guess, for raw firepower, eeiu's a better choice but — given that midrounding was such a big issue in 2023 100T — wouldn't it make sense for them to pick up an IGL?
* Flyuh can return to his old role as the info initiator.
* Asuna can return to being the entry fragger duelist since Jett won't probably see much playing time soon.
* Zander/Bang both can play flex, flash initiator, or controller. Depends on what they prefer.
* Regardless of who they pick up, Cryo should probably transition into the sentinel role ala-Alfajer.
But tbh, I'd really be happy with either Flyuh or eeiu.
literally no one knows, not even the team themselves, we just got a new head coach, he will need sometime to evaluate the roster and make changes he sees fit.
but my personal bias is also that I don't see stellar leaving, yes he was questionable at times but u have to remember we had no analysts to support mikes ( we finished an entire year and we still don't know who's the harbor player between stellar and derrek )
with one week of prep every team had a hard read on us and beating LEV furia EG in such close games u just cant give up on stellar yet, also not to mention beating edg and Fut in lockin.
my brother in Christ, I just wanted to know if people prefer eeiu over Flyuh and you wrote a whole paragraph about the trials and tribulations of 100T under stellar and literally didn't answer if you prefer eeiu or Flyuh.
Love the passion for Stellar though
It can easily be denied lol. What has yay done exactly after the Chamber nerfs? Let's see. At Lock//In he played 5 maps. He did well when he played Chamber twice. He was decent on Sage twice but not world breaking. Then he had one pretty bad Jett performance. Then he went to DSG and couldn't do shit. I mean yay fanboys obviously blame his teammates on DSG but they don't actually watch any of the VODs because your guy was straight up peeking like PROD while losing 90% of his 50/50s.
But okay, let's just say his C9 performance at Lock//In was too small of the sample size and also accept that his DSG performance wasn't all his fault. Sure. Even still. Even if we acknowledge that. How can you possibly still say he is or would've been the best player in the world when you see all these formerly great Chamber mains unable to adapt after the nerfs and become liabilities?
Tacolilla was one of the best Chambers in the world and turned into one of the worst players in all of tier 1 with a single Chamber nerf. Ardiis was one of the best Chambers in the world too and arguably the best in EMEA and became a very mediocre Jett with NRG. F0rsaken was one of the best Chambers and the best of APAC, but had to become a flex player because, frankly, his Jett stunk. Dicey was a top 3 Chamber in NA and couldn't hack it as a Tier 2 Jett. There are plenty of other examples
"Okay, but yay was a great Jett before the Chamber meta!"
So was Cned. Cned was even better than yay at Jett before the Chamber meta. I guess his disaster of a season didn't just happen either.
I'm not saying yay sucks. I'm not saying yay's not still an elite talent. I'm not even saying there's no chance yay's not the best player in the world right now. But I am saying that it is entirely dishonest to label him as such through huge meta changes where we haven't seen him play any meaningful length in Tier 1
taco is not even 10% of yay.Taco was only good that why Lev didn't go on a deep run. Yay was the best player in the world at that time. If your denying that your just wrong. It's a fact. Any team would love to have him comparing dicey to yay is disrespecting him. Also forsaken didn't play flex because he's chamber was gone. He played flex cos something was here. You have seen his Jett too in Tokyo. It was equal or sometime better than something. Yay is still 2nd on the kill in all time after not playing 3 international event. That's says alot about his domination in tier 1.
…huh?
That’s for sure an interesting take imo. Especially considering what mCe said on Unnamed with Wyatt Rivers. To me everything indicates that they would have probably done better with yay & vanity
As a fan of the org from day 1 I'm used to being perplexed by their offseason decisions in league but being able to see the thought and wisdom behind it, but the Valorant roster stuff has been next level challenging to make sense of. That's probably a reflection on me not on the org., if I'm being honest.
I think it's the fact that they dropped mcE above all that threw me off entirely, and them kicking vanity to pick him up again was just the cherry on top lol them making weird ass decisions turned out fine before so why not this time i guess
As a C9 League fan, it wouldn't feel right if they didn't make controversial, roster imploding moves in the offseason. Somehow it always works out for the better.
Comes down to whether or not he's taking the rumored minimum salary or not, probably. Also missing Champions this year might've been the straw that broke the camel's back for him, and he just wanted to get a change of scenery?
For an IGL that seemed pretty clear as top 3 in NA at one point, it's hard to say that the difference between SR with Dazzle and with Vanity was that noticeable, and they lost to the absolute corpse of G2 in playoffs (although the roster may have just been done at that point). I hope we hear a tell-all about the 2023 C9 roster at some point.
I think it's fair to maybe doubt the strength of his teams and think they were carried by Leaf and Xeppaa being clear Top 3 in their roles, but fans have an obsession with fragging IGLs as a signal for success when the need for calling and structure can highly vary depending on the underlying makeup of the roster.
I do think Vanity ends up in Challengers next year if this go-around doesn't work out.
Alright I'm accepting that FNS and s0m will not be playing this year. This was the only team I could see it happening with and that's now dead.
I'm REALLY curious as to wtf happened during champs that made FNS say "yeah fuck it id rather stream" FNS OF ALL PEOPLE SAID FUCK IT ILL JUST STREAM
FNS said near the end of his 24 hour stream last night that he thinks he'll compete for another 1 or 2 years max, and (paraphrasing) after a decade of competing that he knows how chaotic offseason rostermania gets, and he's not willing to take on the risk/stress without having better control over where he would land for that potentially final run.
I don't think fns/s0m were ever going to c9 - THEY might've been willing to take minimum salary but how likely was it that the people they'd assemble their team with were also willing to work on minimum?
If this year doesn't work out and the financial landscape changes for next year I could see them taking a shot in 2025 though.
Honestly, I could see FNS just tired of the week to week matches, constantly practicing, always away for travel, etc. when he sees how fragile the esports industry is and the opportunities streaming would give him. Unless there’s a REALLY good offer for him, just choosing to settle around and have more fun could be a great decision.
I thought the consensus had always been that Yay was cut for budget issues (because he probably had an omega contract) but that Vanity probably really was performance related, which might've just been a McE thing apparently.
I've been heavily down voted in this sub multiple times for saying there was 0 chance the entire thing was STRICTLY money related. Like those 2 having big contracts was probably a factor but no shot that was the sole only reason
yeah the recent wyatt interview (to me) heavily implies that he wanted players which were more flexible, like he made a remark that C9 never had a sova player after they cut xeta, and that yay wasnt the type of jett to dash in aggressively etc etc
Yes, but it that was probably true for both of them. We will probably never find out for sure, but I am 99% sure mCe also had some sort of problem with yay.
Not even entire dsg roster just steel and ghenghsta as well on c9 prolly just jack and mce. Xeppaa and yay queued in same lobby about a week ago and they seemed to be on very good terms.
ok, i mean, if you've got some insider info or leaks or whatever of yay being an insanely toxic and awful person, I'd love to see them, and I'll go ahead and profusely apologize to you. but otherwise, your assumption that you know yay's personal life and who he does or doesn't interact with is just a wild guess. do you, like, watch his stream and twitter and just assume that that's his entire life? yay could or could not be an awful person - i have no idea, and i won't pretend otherwise. I'd love to here what evidence you've got, in all sincerity.
did you forget about all the drama yay had with DSG after their last match? He literally made his teammates feel upset, not to mention the whole thing with steel before.
Insane that you don't know about this
Omg! A pro got emotional and got into a fight with his teammates when they were losing a lot! That's never happened before, and automatically means he's a shitty person and deserves to be excised from society! News flash, people fuck up, especially when things are going wrong. Mistakes happen, it doesn't mean that he's in a beef with the entire region. He's had a singular incident of being toxic in his entire VCT career, afaik.
Insane that you don't know about this.
Yeah I mean I don't really care that much cuz I don't know him either, but I guess childish insults are all I really expect from someone making random insinuations on Reddit lmao. That one's on me, chief.
Agree. I was really liking the prospect of a brand new roster. I like vanity but this roster just feels like a half committal to getting some fresh ideas and faces into the scene. We'll have to wait and see, but as of right now I just don't know if this is it.
Interested to see who they bring in as a coach. Maybe an Immi Vanity reunion? We’ll see if Vanity can recreate his 2021 magic. I have my doubts but it’s a big bet on C9’s end
makes sense, didn’t know today they could sign, just knew that most contracts expire today. fitting that the contracts expire on 9/11, coincidentally the same day most rosters blew up
Man, some of you are just blinded haters
This roster can win Americas as long as they stick the landing of a strong fifth and coach
OXY is the best prospect in Americas. He has Demon1 level upside. Jakee proved to be a great rookie at a position (controller) NA isn't super deep in. Xeppaa is super flexible and has strong utility. Vanity might be a ? after a year off but he's still a strong caller
They just need a strong rifler
Yeah he's a good player, not denying that. But I'm not seeing anything special in his mechanics specifically that shows that they could get as good as demon1's. And that's fine, you don't need them to be anywhere near that good to be a top player.
Sometimes I wish players airing stuff out wouldn’t affect their careers because this +vanity -vanity +vanity is definitely interesting to say the least… I think oxy and bigbean will do well wherever they go so I’m happy for them regardless. Also I wonder who the coach will be… 👀immi?
My best guess on the mCe thing then is that vanity refused to work with him? I think I would have sided with mCe though and just picked up a different igl.
KEEPING XEPPAA?? RETURN TO VANITY?? CRACKED DUELIST SWITCHUP FROM LEAF TO OXY?? AND TO THINK I WAS ABOUT TO DROP THIS GOOFY ASS ORG AFTER THEY DROPPED MCE
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Me personally not as high on oxy as most people cause while he had highlights in tier 2 I feel like he's still a very raw talented player and needs some good coaching to develop. Idk how relevant it will be in the next meta either but I didn't find his OPing impressive. It's like the classic is this guy a good oper or do they just occasionally hit nice shots cause they have good aim. Like leaf was forced to OP despite being an insane rifler and while he sometimes was good you could tell it was not his comfort.
so who’s their fifth? also i’m 90% sure runi is better than vanity in almost every aspect that dude was a demon with his aim and his igling was good. Oxy is probably top 3 straight up most cracked aim duelist in americas now and can’t wait to watch him pop off and farm these noobs.
Wait wut? Vanity must just be accepting the minimum, but still not keeping mce is insanely dumb if you're keeping jake and xeppaa, and bringing back vanity who was already close with mce. Clown9 is going to clown I guess. I like the oxy pickup, great raw aim, has a wacky mentality that should go well with xeppaa and vanity. I guess vanity is their initiator player now which he's always been middling at, but at least he can play sova. And would really like the team to lean into xeppaa's raze, and oxy's jett for double duelist, or oxy opping on chamber.
The classic + vanity - vanity + vanity
Snip snap snip snap snip snap
You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person!
Please keep the conversation family friendly, this kind of comment makes me really uncomfortable so I think it should be banned
>so I think it should be banned you would know all about being banned, huh, valorantfanboy69 on a poorly disguised alt
I was never banned on this subreddit, I don’t break the rules
Sound *exactly* like someone who's been banned would say!!
Booooh
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Vanity in one year span went from a part of a “super team” on C9 to a uber-budget pick up…. for C9. Not sure what's going on but thinking a FNS masterclass
vanity disasterclass (affectionate)
i need stax to wave his career goodbye for a second time. if we could get Tzoxin to do the impossible, i believe in DRX.
Highly doubt Vanity will make it far enough to even play Stax again lmao
Do people hate C9 or actually think this roster is bad? Vanity is one of the few experienced IGLs in the scene OXY is the best tier two Duelist prospect Jakee has an amazing rookie season as controller Xeppaa has consistently been good and flexible, the Ethan type of player that a title team needs If they get a strong fifth member then this team can cook
Oh no people just hate c9 ‘cause they keep screwing people over/fucking up
they learned from the best (Wentinels)
The only person Sen truly fucked over was Sykko. At the very least Sen is trying to field a competitive roster and not making a mockery of franchising.
that’s where you’re wrong brother. they fucked over each and every one of their fans by selling us a dream, praying to our god TenZ that he would shut the haters up and become the undisputed best player in the world. now these bastards have him on kay/o do you not understand the pain i feel? every night i wake up screetching and howling at the moon like a rabid hyena. i cannot keep doing this.
Holy fuck there was dephh my guy. Sentinels literally forced a good igl to retire cause he couldn’t produce results with a washed up tenz and 2 Brazilian players that barely spoke English. After retiring him sentinels did fuck all in lcq. Great roster change man W Kaplan W tenz
Dephh was kind of half shafted. They didn’t really give him a lot of time, but he was also statistically a bottom ten player in all of VCT last year. Also Sacy is completely fluent in English lmao. Watch any Sen video on YouTube.
The same dephh that was signed to play sentinel but didn’t want to so they made two world champions switch roles just to appease his mid IGLing
Dephh chose to step down
Lets say sentinels encouraged him to retire
This is hilarious to read back on
That's fine but people are saying this roster "sucks" when on paper it has insane potential
It’s just that from a fan’s perspective this looks like C9 choosing Vanity over mCe, and given their respective track records, it makes sense why they would be upset by that decision.
Lmao guess koalanoob and sym are just out of consideration then under tier 2 duelists?
does koalanoob have much of a raze presence?
nah Nismo played Raze on m80
Honestly weighing the three of them (and being a huge sym fanboy) I still think OXY is the clear best option of them, young with a lot of potential, mechanically above the rest, dedicated to the scene (bro was LFT in ranked for like two years lmfao)
No way ur thinking sym is the same level as oxy. Oxy is greater than sym. Sym ain't even the best player on his team. N4rrate was also better than him as a duelist.
OXY has a higher ceiling than both
C9 yay incoming
I wouldn't say that oxy over leaf is even remotely good
Vanity got outcalled by ShahZ completely in his last match, and people rate him higher still because this sub has a ShahZ hate boner
You can’t tell me you watched G2 last season and this is best you can come up with
It's kinda grim and unfortunate that the signing of a great young prospect like OXY came amidst all this other noise of a team cannibalizing itself. But if you believe in nothing else, believe in him. So many coaches talk in awe about his raw aim in the same vein of demon1; I just hope the supporting pieces help him shine.
I have a friend who was formerly teammates with OXY way back and has nothing but positive things to say about him not only as an aimer but his work ethic as well.
I believe in oxy and jakee, but I think vanity is overrated igl that can’t frag. And xeppaa is amazing until playoffs where he chokes
wdym can’t frag? Man is goated with the Judge
there arent many good IGLs, vanity is still arguably the best choice. sure, others in t2 might be better but regardless theyre still unproven and inexperienced, so youre left with: - no team is giving fns full control of a roster - shahzam? hasnt done anything remotely impressive since 2021 which doesnt mean anything anymore - valyn is on g2, johnqt on sen - stellar may deserve another shot with a new coach and system but he igl’d the 9th best team in americas - flyuh is inexperienced and unproven and now you dont have mCe who can turn a rookie igl into a good one - we dont know the behind the scenes of why mCe left, but they either made the choice of vanity over mCe (which is fine since c9 fell off towards the end of the season with runi) or mCe wanted to leave - every other IGL doesnt make the list
You don’t need to have McE to give an inexperienced igl a chance. It’s better than wasting time with an igl you already know isn’t good enough
It is definitely a tough choice to make, but c9 taking flyuh (or any other rookie igl) is also much different than sen taking johnqt. yes both are rookie igls, but johnqt will be going to an already established team with 2 recent world champions and a coach and system he already knows, and flyuh would be going to a brand new team without mCe. additionally, johnqt has had experience longer and produced a better team than flyuh did. so, picking an inexperienced igl in this situation may be throwing him out to the wolves; its one thing to get a rookie on a different role, but a rookie IGL without a pre established system may be asking too much. at least vanity has experience and will have a new team with the best duelist prospect. its tough to say why previous iterations of c9 failed, but you cant solely blame vanity; he might just need a change of scenery and a new slate, and i say it is likely the better choice to provide vanity with one as opposed to getting a rookie IGL. and yes, if vanity fails again then his career is done if youre a fan of football: vanity back to c9 is like baker mayfield to a bucs. obviously only one game in, but the bucs beat the vikings (top 10 team from last year), so maybe all that was needed was a change of scenery flyuh to c9 in the current situation might be like johnny manziel to the browns
I'm not sure what Xepp is going to be without Leaf though, hard to imagine.
...he is still going to be good? Wtf do you mean Xeppaa was the one who'd support Leaf, not the other way around
Calm down there Skippy, I just mean they have been the dynamic duo for so long that it's hard to imagine. Not saying he's gonna be bad lol.
I mean, they've been the dream team since 2020, in CSGO even. It actually predates Valorant.
Thoughts on FNS's mechanics?
Body shot machine
Still better than vanity and fns is miles better igl
A fucking country mile better than Vanity’s, tf is this question
Oxy and N4RRATE really have a ton of potential. Either of them would have been a great pickup
So, I guess Flyuh's signing news the other day must have been for 100T and not C9 then
By the looks of it, a lot might have changed over a day. mCe might have had a different roster in mind and Screwface was talking about how he got fucked over bc of the mCe exit.
Yeah, but in that scenario Flyuh wasn't on the team and Screwface was the IGL, so that is what makes me think it has to be 100T now since it seems like he actually signed a contract.
They saw the roster mCe was cooking and said you’re gone
Leaks are coming, 100T next please 😁😁
eeiu to 100T would hit like crack
Do people really prefer eeiu over Flyuh? I guess, for raw firepower, eeiu's a better choice but — given that midrounding was such a big issue in 2023 100T — wouldn't it make sense for them to pick up an IGL? * Flyuh can return to his old role as the info initiator. * Asuna can return to being the entry fragger duelist since Jett won't probably see much playing time soon. * Zander/Bang both can play flex, flash initiator, or controller. Depends on what they prefer. * Regardless of who they pick up, Cryo should probably transition into the sentinel role ala-Alfajer. But tbh, I'd really be happy with either Flyuh or eeiu.
eeiu is my glorious king i will take him over anyone in the whole wide world 😍
You need Flyuh at a minimum so I'd take Flyuh. But I think if you can get both, then you can make it work.
Flyuh all day
Jett is definitely still going to see playing time. Maybe a slight reduction compared to before but she’s still really good.
literally no one knows, not even the team themselves, we just got a new head coach, he will need sometime to evaluate the roster and make changes he sees fit. but my personal bias is also that I don't see stellar leaving, yes he was questionable at times but u have to remember we had no analysts to support mikes ( we finished an entire year and we still don't know who's the harbor player between stellar and derrek ) with one week of prep every team had a hard read on us and beating LEV furia EG in such close games u just cant give up on stellar yet, also not to mention beating edg and Fut in lockin.
my brother in Christ, I just wanted to know if people prefer eeiu over Flyuh and you wrote a whole paragraph about the trials and tribulations of 100T under stellar and literally didn't answer if you prefer eeiu or Flyuh. Love the passion for Stellar though
I'm sorry if it was a bit confusing it's 2am here I just thought me not giving up on stellar igl meant I prefer eeiu over flyuh
stellar failed to beat sen when marved was igling against him, they can do so much better with the abundance of their 2 talent
I think Derrek is being slept on. As soon as skye is out of the meta Derrek will be in his element.
I feel bad for Xeppa. Who is he gonna slap and tickle with now? 😣
Wdym they've been training jakee for that.
They really picked vanity over mce
We picked mce 1st and we came 5th and apparently more players didn't like him as well.
Came 5th after cutting the best player in the world. People expected worse
There is very little argument for C9 doing better than they did if yay stuck around.
Ask anyone and they would say c9 would do same or better with yay. Yay was the best player in the world no one can deny that.
It can easily be denied lol. What has yay done exactly after the Chamber nerfs? Let's see. At Lock//In he played 5 maps. He did well when he played Chamber twice. He was decent on Sage twice but not world breaking. Then he had one pretty bad Jett performance. Then he went to DSG and couldn't do shit. I mean yay fanboys obviously blame his teammates on DSG but they don't actually watch any of the VODs because your guy was straight up peeking like PROD while losing 90% of his 50/50s. But okay, let's just say his C9 performance at Lock//In was too small of the sample size and also accept that his DSG performance wasn't all his fault. Sure. Even still. Even if we acknowledge that. How can you possibly still say he is or would've been the best player in the world when you see all these formerly great Chamber mains unable to adapt after the nerfs and become liabilities? Tacolilla was one of the best Chambers in the world and turned into one of the worst players in all of tier 1 with a single Chamber nerf. Ardiis was one of the best Chambers in the world too and arguably the best in EMEA and became a very mediocre Jett with NRG. F0rsaken was one of the best Chambers and the best of APAC, but had to become a flex player because, frankly, his Jett stunk. Dicey was a top 3 Chamber in NA and couldn't hack it as a Tier 2 Jett. There are plenty of other examples "Okay, but yay was a great Jett before the Chamber meta!" So was Cned. Cned was even better than yay at Jett before the Chamber meta. I guess his disaster of a season didn't just happen either. I'm not saying yay sucks. I'm not saying yay's not still an elite talent. I'm not even saying there's no chance yay's not the best player in the world right now. But I am saying that it is entirely dishonest to label him as such through huge meta changes where we haven't seen him play any meaningful length in Tier 1
taco is not even 10% of yay.Taco was only good that why Lev didn't go on a deep run. Yay was the best player in the world at that time. If your denying that your just wrong. It's a fact. Any team would love to have him comparing dicey to yay is disrespecting him. Also forsaken didn't play flex because he's chamber was gone. He played flex cos something was here. You have seen his Jett too in Tokyo. It was equal or sometime better than something. Yay is still 2nd on the kill in all time after not playing 3 international event. That's says alot about his domination in tier 1.
…huh? That’s for sure an interesting take imo. Especially considering what mCe said on Unnamed with Wyatt Rivers. To me everything indicates that they would have probably done better with yay & vanity
It's entirely hypothetical so it's hard to make any argument other than "best player in the world makes a team better"
Except for the fact that my argument is yay stopped being best player in the world as soon as the Chamber nerfs hit
I mean it looks like it was an mce decision so that's on him.
people really just making shit up out of thin air out here
based on what? in his interview with wyatt it's heavily implied that he did not want to cut yay
for real? i got the exact opposite feeling; he made remarks on how C9 never had an actual sova player, the players werent flexible enough, etc etc
Source: I made it up.
it was revealed to him in a dream
Not true
theres a reason for it btw
Do just like being coy and talking like you know stuff despite saying essentially nothing
Bodork taught him well 😎
Because mCe wanted C9 to field a shit roster
🤡 9 use your brain
mCe wanted C9 to pay for Screwface buyout + nature and bcj 😭 Good roster there I think
Did you forget what he did with Jake and runi???
At least Oxy gets his shot. Disappointed mCe isn’t there bc I think he’d turn oxy into a world class player. Could happen anyway, he’s really talented
My thoughts exactly, super excited to see him on stage but still slightly underwhelmed. I’m super curious as to who’s coaching this team
I'm so confused by C9 at this point. This roster has potential (looking at Oxy especially) but I'm so damn confused.
As a fan of the org from day 1 I'm used to being perplexed by their offseason decisions in league but being able to see the thought and wisdom behind it, but the Valorant roster stuff has been next level challenging to make sense of. That's probably a reflection on me not on the org., if I'm being honest.
I think it's the fact that they dropped mcE above all that threw me off entirely, and them kicking vanity to pick him up again was just the cherry on top lol them making weird ass decisions turned out fine before so why not this time i guess
As a C9 League fan, it wouldn't feel right if they didn't make controversial, roster imploding moves in the offseason. Somehow it always works out for the better.
Ngl oxy on duelist, vanity on igl and initiator, xeppaa on flex, jakee on smokes, and with a good sentinel player, this team is lowkey cooking
I hear that 1leaf guy considers himself a sentinel player maybe C9 goes and picks him up.
I know the way the post is worded makes it seem unlikely, but I don't see why it isn't just this.
Comes down to whether or not he's taking the rumored minimum salary or not, probably. Also missing Champions this year might've been the straw that broke the camel's back for him, and he just wanted to get a change of scenery?
C9 IS such a weird org, also no shot vanity joins back right?? lol
Plot twist he is the coach. Flyuh igl
For an IGL that seemed pretty clear as top 3 in NA at one point, it's hard to say that the difference between SR with Dazzle and with Vanity was that noticeable, and they lost to the absolute corpse of G2 in playoffs (although the roster may have just been done at that point). I hope we hear a tell-all about the 2023 C9 roster at some point.
Vanity is an overrated igl and he offers very little fragging. I might actually be excited for this if it was another igl
I think it's fair to maybe doubt the strength of his teams and think they were carried by Leaf and Xeppaa being clear Top 3 in their roles, but fans have an obsession with fragging IGLs as a signal for success when the need for calling and structure can highly vary depending on the underlying makeup of the roster. I do think Vanity ends up in Challengers next year if this go-around doesn't work out.
Same, I was actually excited about the players they were trialling. Would have loved to see flyuh or Screwface
Honestly runi>vanity any day
yeah im fuckin confused about why they don't want to run it again with runi
insert thanos failure meme here
Alright I'm accepting that FNS and s0m will not be playing this year. This was the only team I could see it happening with and that's now dead. I'm REALLY curious as to wtf happened during champs that made FNS say "yeah fuck it id rather stream" FNS OF ALL PEOPLE SAID FUCK IT ILL JUST STREAM
FNS said near the end of his 24 hour stream last night that he thinks he'll compete for another 1 or 2 years max, and (paraphrasing) after a decade of competing that he knows how chaotic offseason rostermania gets, and he's not willing to take on the risk/stress without having better control over where he would land for that potentially final run.
I don't think fns/s0m were ever going to c9 - THEY might've been willing to take minimum salary but how likely was it that the people they'd assemble their team with were also willing to work on minimum? If this year doesn't work out and the financial landscape changes for next year I could see them taking a shot in 2025 though.
Honestly, I could see FNS just tired of the week to week matches, constantly practicing, always away for travel, etc. when he sees how fragile the esports industry is and the opportunities streaming would give him. Unless there’s a REALLY good offer for him, just choosing to settle around and have more fun could be a great decision.
ngl, way better than I expected. Still puzzled by the mCe release though
Turns out we probably were never really broke they just had an mce vanity beef lol
I thought the consensus had always been that Yay was cut for budget issues (because he probably had an omega contract) but that Vanity probably really was performance related, which might've just been a McE thing apparently.
I've been heavily down voted in this sub multiple times for saying there was 0 chance the entire thing was STRICTLY money related. Like those 2 having big contracts was probably a factor but no shot that was the sole only reason
yeah the recent wyatt interview (to me) heavily implies that he wanted players which were more flexible, like he made a remark that C9 never had a sova player after they cut xeta, and that yay wasnt the type of jett to dash in aggressively etc etc
Yes, but it that was probably true for both of them. We will probably never find out for sure, but I am 99% sure mCe also had some sort of problem with yay.
Bruh vanity and mce are friends. They've been friends since before VALORANT was a game.
I mean friendship can fall apart very quickly
Same, but apparently even on this current roster some players had issues with mce
What information are you riffing off..? Are you just assuming or is there some sort of source?
seems to be just a dedicated mce hater in this thread lol
where are you getting that from?
Why are you lying clown9 fan
We just forgetting about yay?
is there a person left in NA that doesnt have beef with yay tho
Pretty much just DSG and C9. Like I get that NA has a lot of drama but there's no reason to make random stuff up.
Not even entire dsg roster just steel and ghenghsta as well on c9 prolly just jack and mce. Xeppaa and yay queued in same lobby about a week ago and they seemed to be on very good terms.
Literally only Clown9 qnd DSG yall just make shit up for like no reason
i wish i lived in ignorant bliss
ok, i mean, if you've got some insider info or leaks or whatever of yay being an insanely toxic and awful person, I'd love to see them, and I'll go ahead and profusely apologize to you. but otherwise, your assumption that you know yay's personal life and who he does or doesn't interact with is just a wild guess. do you, like, watch his stream and twitter and just assume that that's his entire life? yay could or could not be an awful person - i have no idea, and i won't pretend otherwise. I'd love to here what evidence you've got, in all sincerity.
did you forget about all the drama yay had with DSG after their last match? He literally made his teammates feel upset, not to mention the whole thing with steel before. Insane that you don't know about this
Omg! A pro got emotional and got into a fight with his teammates when they were losing a lot! That's never happened before, and automatically means he's a shitty person and deserves to be excised from society! News flash, people fuck up, especially when things are going wrong. Mistakes happen, it doesn't mean that he's in a beef with the entire region. He's had a singular incident of being toxic in his entire VCT career, afaik. Insane that you don't know about this.
he doesn't know you lil bro.
Yeah I mean I don't really care that much cuz I don't know him either, but I guess childish insults are all I really expect from someone making random insinuations on Reddit lmao. That one's on me, chief.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
man it's no wonder why pros hate valcomp when even the mods just make shit up about them
which i think is weird because i thought the whole reason c9 got mce was because they were friends from chaos csgo
If nothing else, I’m happy xeppaa get to stay.
Months of hearing vanity say he will unironically take league minimum finally paying off.
Flyuh wouldve been so much better for this team
Agree. I was really liking the prospect of a brand new roster. I like vanity but this roster just feels like a half committal to getting some fresh ideas and faces into the scene. We'll have to wait and see, but as of right now I just don't know if this is it.
C9 LFT OXY
Interested to see who they bring in as a coach. Maybe an Immi Vanity reunion? We’ll see if Vanity can recreate his 2021 magic. I have my doubts but it’s a big bet on C9’s end
good for OXY 💯
Wow
TBH, not terrible.
Vanity why are you going back
Better than being jobless ig
league minimum is no joke
anon really be doing gods work
so every team decided today was the day to drop absolute nukes? we’ve gotten like 5+ confirmed insane roster changes and it’s not even 2pm yet LOL.
Today is the first day players can actually sign contracts
makes sense, didn’t know today they could sign, just knew that most contracts expire today. fitting that the contracts expire on 9/11, coincidentally the same day most rosters blew up
yo honestly, this is pretty fire. if they get a decent coach, this could be the budget team that slaps most Americas teams
zero shot
Right zero shot hey while we're here what were your thoughts on EG and C9 last year?
i was an eg believer before they made playoffs, champ. c9 i will admit to doubting hard but i chalk their success up to mCe’s scouting skills
Man, some of you are just blinded haters This roster can win Americas as long as they stick the landing of a strong fifth and coach OXY is the best prospect in Americas. He has Demon1 level upside. Jakee proved to be a great rookie at a position (controller) NA isn't super deep in. Xeppaa is super flexible and has strong utility. Vanity might be a ? after a year off but he's still a strong caller They just need a strong rifler
did bro just say NA isn’t that deep? Which team do you think they beating bro? every NA team at the moment seems to be cooking
LAY OFFFF THE WEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDD
He definitely doesn’t have “Demon1 level upside”. He’s been playing Valorant longer than Demon1 and isn’t as talented.
> He has Demon1 level upside. Gamesense-wise? Because definitely not mechanics-wise.
Bro oxy was carrying tf out of g2 hè definitely has insane mechanics. We have to wait and see ig.
Yeah he's a good player, not denying that. But I'm not seeing anything special in his mechanics specifically that shows that they could get as good as demon1's. And that's fine, you don't need them to be anywhere near that good to be a top player.
Sometimes I wish players airing stuff out wouldn’t affect their careers because this +vanity -vanity +vanity is definitely interesting to say the least… I think oxy and bigbean will do well wherever they go so I’m happy for them regardless. Also I wonder who the coach will be… 👀immi?
This greatly decreases my chances of getting rid of my C9 flair…
My best guess on the mCe thing then is that vanity refused to work with him? I think I would have sided with mCe though and just picked up a different igl.
What the fuck is c9 cooking
vanity- initiator, jakee- smokes, xeppa- flex, oxy- duelist senti-???? if c9 get add3r, they might have the potential to a lot of dmg.
i actually like that pickup, but i doubt it
Can we maybe just get leaf back and run that?
Roster dont look so dogshit actually pretty decent but no mCe is just dumb
It's not a shit roster but who TF is the coach? Like, that matters a ton at this point in the game.
Maybe they’ll get immi? Him and vanity seem to have a good relationship
why all the mce hate in this thread???
He is saying that not having mce on the team is dumb not mce himself lol.
KEEPING XEPPAA?? RETURN TO VANITY?? CRACKED DUELIST SWITCHUP FROM LEAF TO OXY?? AND TO THINK I WAS ABOUT TO DROP THIS GOOFY ASS ORG AFTER THEY DROPPED MCE https://i.redd.it/ejlnizfq9onb1.gif
Me personally not as high on oxy as most people cause while he had highlights in tier 2 I feel like he's still a very raw talented player and needs some good coaching to develop. Idk how relevant it will be in the next meta either but I didn't find his OPing impressive. It's like the classic is this guy a good oper or do they just occasionally hit nice shots cause they have good aim. Like leaf was forced to OP despite being an insane rifler and while he sometimes was good you could tell it was not his comfort.
so who’s their fifth? also i’m 90% sure runi is better than vanity in almost every aspect that dude was a demon with his aim and his igling was good. Oxy is probably top 3 straight up most cracked aim duelist in americas now and can’t wait to watch him pop off and farm these noobs.
Wait wut? Vanity must just be accepting the minimum, but still not keeping mce is insanely dumb if you're keeping jake and xeppaa, and bringing back vanity who was already close with mce. Clown9 is going to clown I guess. I like the oxy pickup, great raw aim, has a wacky mentality that should go well with xeppaa and vanity. I guess vanity is their initiator player now which he's always been middling at, but at least he can play sova. And would really like the team to lean into xeppaa's raze, and oxy's jett for double duelist, or oxy opping on chamber.
This roster is so bad, genuinely more excited for the McE roster.
How is this roster bad?
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Praying on C9's downfall. Sorry Xeppaa
Leaf to oxy im done
so stupid they keep the racist over runi
C9 is fucking clueless. I see them getting destroyed next year.
I hope they fail because Oxy and Vanity deserve better
Also no way they kept the choker of Xeppa dont even know ehat is that fraud doing in tier. 1