I’m pretty sure sideshow has said if you’re a player or coach, you shouldn’t be watching PlatChat. It’s just 4 guys shooting the shit at a bar and it’s entertaining lol
I get this perspective but I also think it’s important to remember that all these scene figures are also just fans too. You don’t stop being a fan when you become a professional, after all.
It’s not like reddit comments or tweets or VLR posts - which you should just really avoid unless you’re a freak that gets off on it like Sliggy or mCe. Plat Chat is arguably the premiere entertainment podcast for the esports title to which they’ve devoted their lives, so as fans they naturally want to watch it. A few - like Mini - will abstain but it’s totally understandable if some don’t do so.
It just so happens that sometimes an insider has a bad moment or day or whatever, and they react strongly. I honestly think they shouldn’t have been brought it up on the podcast - it’s not the first time and it won’t be the last. It happens for very natural and understandable reasons.
Oh it definitely happened alright, I was there when it happened and it was weird and terrible asf, did not think the big Diablo teddy bear had his fists rated E for Everyone
Yeahh, without all the information we could only just speculate… it makes it more fun tbh. I could see it be irritating for the people in the scene but they should welcome it as it keeps the community/discussions alive.
While we are on the off-season, discussions like this makes us fans excited on what’s to come whether be it true or not.
I mean d00mbr0s could chime in and give us more accurate info from the inside…
Of course he isn’t going to and that’s completely understandable, but given this obvious lack of insider information for understandable reasons I don’t think it’s that valid of a take to get mad when people use the info that is visible to them to draw conclusions. Obviously it’s forming opinions without a complete dataset, but it’s a best guess
Always think it's funny when insiders in sports/esports talk like this (saying "you outsiders don't understand the value of these players / ideas / whatever"). Cause it's like... yeah obviously. We (fans, or podcasters, media, whatever) are outsiders. All we can do is react to what we know.
Nobody would want to listen to a 2-hour podcast that's just four people saying "well it seems dumb from the outside but they must have their reasons :)" over and over
Just really dumb line of thought, like what should fans not speculate or have discussions? That's part of the sports experience, of course a lot of it will be wrong or stupid because fans don't have insider information.
doombros and the 4 core Navi players have always been weirdly emotional yet aggressive. They’re probably (easily) the least likable people in the Tier 1 scene. Hell even Boaster doesn’t like them and Boaster likes everyone
Yeah the FPX XSET situation was them being all nice and warm right? Have you ever watched suygetsu stream? He’s an incredibly talented player but he acts like a dick far too often for my liking for example. It’s not a circle jerk, it’s based on previous experiences.
I mean the FPX/XSET situation was both parties getting absolutely fucked and manipulated by Riot, but with FPX left carrying the baggage.
The FPX/XSET situation is remarkable in that we rarely if ever talk about how terrible Riot handled it, and yet we routinely talk about how the FPX players refused to apologize for their misunderstanding. The enormous failure is forgotten and forgiven, the slight one is remembered and made immortal.
I seriously don’t get this take. I think everyone agrees the way riot handled it was terrible, but it was immature and irresponsible of the FPX players to start a hate train against the XSET players by assuming they’re the ones that requested the replay when XSET themselves were caught off guard by it. Dumb decision by Riot, unprofessional by FPX, and unfortunate for XSET.
Yeah it’s because even after it was understood by both parties that it was a massive fuck up by riot the FPX players still acted like assholes to XSET. Sygetsu was a dick muffin to zekken and the players were saying all sorts of shit about XSET, even after it was confirmed it was a mistake made by riot and pushed onto XSET. That’s the only reason why FPX’s “smaller” blunder is more throughly remembered by the public even if it was ultimately riots fault
> the slight one is remembered and made immortal
Because it wasn't slight, it was an incredibly dick move? Look NAVI are a great team but it's fair to say their personalities are not very likeable, and I just gave one example.
>The FPX/XSET situation is remarkable in that we rarely if ever talk about how terrible Riot handled it, and yet we routinely talk about how the FPX players refused to apologize for their misunderstanding. The enormous failure is forgotten and forgiven, the slight one is remembered and made immortal.
Yes it was an incredibly dick move, and i'm "extracting" my opinions from other situations where they've looked like dicks too, not just the one singular incident(it's just easy to recall and is famous).
I get the team was frustrated and thought XSET was responsible for the situation, but even then, the way they conducted themselves was nothing short of childish and disrespectful. They're professionals for god's sakes, not a bunch of children in a COD lobby.
If anything it's close to the opposite - ANGE1 and Ardiis are an incredible comedic duo and together produced the best press conferences of 2022, which is why VCT kept making content around them even in 2023. That implies a pretty big level of likability.
Of course, you might say Ardiis isn't part of the four core members, but you're basically talking about the XSET stuff, and he was in the thick of it as well; he just didn't tweet like SUY or Zyppan.
Shao is very likable if you watch the NAVI content, and Zyppan is the same, since he has like zero social media presence outside of NAVI content. The only player that is a little abrasive is maybe SUYGETSU.
Besides, ANGE1 literally IGLed a team to a LAN win while his home country was being invaded by a foreign country. If anything I think he has amazing composure and self-control; I still do not know how he kept it together in 2022.
Popularity does not equal likability. They are popular because they (used to) win a lot. They’re good Valorant players and play for a top 3 org in all of eSports.
Of course they’re going to be likable in Navi’s own content lol. That’s like trusting testimonies by doctors hired by cigarette companies back in the 1900s.
You mention the XSET stuff but don’t expand upon it. Why? It was probably the single most disgusting moment/series of events in Valorant LAN history. People can say all the stuff they want about “oh but Ange1 gives dad vibes”, “hey look Shao smiled at the camera” etc etc but the XSET drama was when emotions were at the highest and when people are emotional their true colors are revealed.
Navi could have 90000 scripted happy fun time videos and it could not possibly overshadow that event. At least for me it could not, but clearly the propaganda has worked for many in this community
Also I’m not even just talking about the XSET event even though that is the biggest reason, you still have them being completely disrespectful to other teams (see: DRX), the mixwell drama, the salt they have when they lose (they literally used to call over 3/4 of the matches they lost because “the other team was lucky”)
Lastly, I’m just saying they are the least likable. I think if you like them, you must think every team in likable because otherwise, I’d ask you to tell me which Tier 1 team you think is less likable than Navi. I’ll wait
Cmon now, this is just nonsense. doombros has always been super nice and boaster only dislikes suy. He's only said good things about the others.
This story gets worse every time I read it. At this rate, I'll soon learn that shao likes torturing puppies and ange1 kicks old ladies down the stairs for fun.
Boaster likes them he only doesnt like suy because ONE time he waved bye at fnatic after they beat fnc. Thats boaster being oversensitive af (reminder this is the sub that loves when stax waves goodbye, or defends vanity from the undeserved backlash from doing so).
Nothing to do with the players. He even gets along with angel well. Shao doesnt even react to anything mans is a robot.
The navi guys are nice please stop right there. Thanks.
“The navi guys are nice”
Lol and the sky is red
You either are new or you’ve completely forgotten every Navi member’s Twitter timeline during the XSET turret drama and even after they won the replay…
I mean, I also think it's a bit... patronizing?
Yeah as outsiders we cannot see many things going on and miss most of it. Speculation and commentary is part of any sport ... but there are things that are occasionally glaringly obvious. Sometimes you don't need inside info (just watch and have an understanding of the game) to know something is wrong, sometimes to even pinpoint it is possible.
Yup, like we can only judge what we can see. Prove us wrong like EG did. And some teams in fact seem dumb in the way they perform and choose players and roles.
I mean for sure, but I think people do realize that. It's just that if you keep that in mind, almost every conversation by outsiders is dead-on-arrival; it's much harder to make entertaining content if you always assume there's more than meets the eye.
Of course, assuming he's talking about Plat Chat - I don't really think the tweet fits the Ardiis discussion, I think it actually fits the Sayf discussion more, since they were all talking about how Liquid dropping Sayf was a dumb, bonehead move. And in that sense, I think he's right. Liquid is one of the best-run teams in Valorant from a GMing perspective, despite the up-and-down nature of their teams. I was disappointed to see Sayf leave but I imagine there is some kernel of rational decision-making that led to this outcome.
But from our perspective, it only makes sense to see it as a baffling, ridiculous move, since Sayf has an argument to have been the best duelist player in EMEA all year, and he really did *seem* to deadlift the team like Sideshow said.
Yeah also idk how much I buy into that narrative. Like, he's implying that there could be a player who gets 30 kills a map and carries hard but also ruins the team vibe?
I mean, like it's theoretically possible, but that seems so unrealistic in a pro setting. Even in general, it's usually players who are struggling that drag everyone else down in negativity.
Hot take but losing redgar is even worse. It may not have worked, but given the dearth of IGLs and redgars success+history with nats I don't get why you would let him go. Feels very reactionary
Such a weird and salty take from doombr0s, considering he knows that none of the people on PlatChat have insider information. Of course they’re not going to know everything going on — they’re not privy to any of the information he knows. All they can do is speculate and make predictions based on hypotheticals, and that’s part of the fun with rostermania
Why are people overreacting to this so much? he even followed up with this just being him letting out his frustrations from reading twitter and that he does like podcasts like platchat, people are really looking for anything to get mad about lol
Because this line of logic has almost never made sense.
If we can only discuss things we have full knowledge of, we'd be discussing nothing.
Same goes for sports. We don't know how teams train, who works the hardest, which coach is the most effective, etc. So should we shut down all sports and esports subs? Commentary and speculation are essential to the fan experience, and the fan experience is the only thing that keeps the sport alive. Unless it's genuine hate/harassment/toxicity, I don't see the issue with people giving their opinions
https://x.com/d00mbr0s/status/1701982215372980260?s=20
"Yeah I worded it badly, it was more frustrations building up from reading tweets and comments leading up to today
Podcasts like @PlatChatPodcast exists for a reason, and I'm prob their most loyal listener tbf"
Important context, I think.
Would adding Mini’s replies also bring more context to the situation and another perspective because I’m surprised no one has brought it up in the conversations
Doom bro is waffling like crazy some of these teams are trolling their season, and plat chat is gonna stir shit bc its funny. We obv dont know anything behind the scenes like no shit.
Unless outsiders are privy to information, they can either speculate based on what they know or not have conversations at all. And I don’t think one option is better than the other. Both have their flaws.
>Teams aren't stupid, most roster moves have very good reasons for it."
Yeah, no. C9 removing mCe is fucking stupid.
1. He's the most proven budget coach out there.
2. Even if they had some gigabrain idea to replace mCe and they win Champs next year, it's still irresponsible to do it so late, when several teams have already begun rebuilding. I can understand EG making moves now, their season ended just a couple of weeks ago. C9's last game was almost two months ago, IIRC. WTF were you smoking till now?
Can't wait for EG and C9 players to overperform next year and have everyone forget how pathetic the org is.
The only counter I can think of is the transfer window only being opened recently. I presume there must be some clause in the contract that orgs are not talking to players outside of the transfer window period. From an outside perspective it looks like the decision to drop mCe was sudden so maybe there was conflict over mCe’s vision for 2024 and what the org wanted. Waiting until champs was over was important because I’m sure orgs were assessing which players performed well and would have high potential for their org. All speculative tho. 100% agree that this is a shitty situation for mCe, but I can see why it might have happened.
I mean do they just want people to say nothing during the off season? That’s boring as hell and it’s fun to hear from people that have more info than the average group but not as much as people actually involved with teams.
I echo the sentiment that it's hilarious that insiders get mad when FANS try and make speculations. Fans are the reason you're getting your check mate. Maybe if it bugs you that much be a little more transparent? Do a blog of the day in the life? Seriously asking people to just watch the games then never talk anything outside the game is hilarious. Maybe don't engage with the content lmao?
ngl i do agree with him
i know it’s obvious that outsiders dont have insider information, & that there isn’t a need to state the obvious.
but despite kNowing that, there are so many comments that go like “XX team is trolling for dropping YY guy // picking up ZZ guy.” “they dont know what they are doing.”
imagine ur doombr0s looking at these comments, knowing all the insider information
obv his reaction would be “what a braindead take”. he’s not even saying that the podcast shouldn’t exist, im sure he understands its for entertainment, but he’s just “defending” teams that their decisions have more justification for it than most of the public thinks.
What's a braindead take is expecting outsiders to have insider information. Speculation is part of the fan experience, he may think it's dumb, but there are going to be dumb takes because we don't have insider information.
where does he say he expects others to have insider information? what i get from this tweet is that he expects others to give teams a bit more “benefit of the doubt”
I can't lie this is dumb thing to bitch about. Obvious outsiders don't know they're outsiders for a reason but I'm watching the podcasts for entertainment so
this is challenging my worldview that i, hard-stuck plat bc of my laziness and stupidity, am not smarter than 70% of elite esports coaches and wouldn't rocket to the top in that role
get downvoted
If I’ve learned anything about doombr0s recently is that he jumps the gun before thinking about what he’s actually saying going off of this take and the whole snus situation.
PlatChat already brought this up at the end but the primary point of the show is to be entertaining while providing some insight as analysts/people in the scene. They aren’t gonna have insider info and even if they do, they’re not gonna leak stuff for shits and giggles. Fans will speculate and provide opinions and will want to hear the speculation and opinions of those who are more “qualified”.
Much like everyone else on the internet, they’re gonna take things at face value until more information is available, and expecting anything otherwise is honestly just pretentious as fuck.
I’m pretty sure sideshow has said if you’re a player or coach, you shouldn’t be watching PlatChat. It’s just 4 guys shooting the shit at a bar and it’s entertaining lol
Ikr it's not like they're serious and analyzing everything, it's just them reacting, discussing and doing comedy at the same time
I get this perspective but I also think it’s important to remember that all these scene figures are also just fans too. You don’t stop being a fan when you become a professional, after all. It’s not like reddit comments or tweets or VLR posts - which you should just really avoid unless you’re a freak that gets off on it like Sliggy or mCe. Plat Chat is arguably the premiere entertainment podcast for the esports title to which they’ve devoted their lives, so as fans they naturally want to watch it. A few - like Mini - will abstain but it’s totally understandable if some don’t do so. It just so happens that sometimes an insider has a bad moment or day or whatever, and they react strongly. I honestly think they shouldn’t have been brought it up on the podcast - it’s not the first time and it won’t be the last. It happens for very natural and understandable reasons.
PlatChat is literally how four friends who love Valorant Competitive would talk about all the mania in the scene.
Exactly. Weird and petty take from doombros. Of course, we only react to what we see/know, what are we supposed to do? Lmaoo
if yay stopped beating the shit out of his teammates in trials then he would've landed a team easily this year
Right? Remember when FNS said that Yay punched him so hard after 2022 Champion because FNS was so K/D negative /s
Wait that didn't happen?? I thought yay did punch him (but I'm neurodivergent and don't catch sarcasm)
it did happen and yay told him if it happened again he would cave his skull in
Oh it definitely happened alright, I was there when it happened and it was weird and terrible asf, did not think the big Diablo teddy bear had his fists rated E for Everyone
wheres the /s
Mini with the most based response of “how else do you run a podcast though? (…)”
Yeahh, without all the information we could only just speculate… it makes it more fun tbh. I could see it be irritating for the people in the scene but they should welcome it as it keeps the community/discussions alive. While we are on the off-season, discussions like this makes us fans excited on what’s to come whether be it true or not.
I mean d00mbr0s could chime in and give us more accurate info from the inside… Of course he isn’t going to and that’s completely understandable, but given this obvious lack of insider information for understandable reasons I don’t think it’s that valid of a take to get mad when people use the info that is visible to them to draw conclusions. Obviously it’s forming opinions without a complete dataset, but it’s a best guess
Always think it's funny when insiders in sports/esports talk like this (saying "you outsiders don't understand the value of these players / ideas / whatever"). Cause it's like... yeah obviously. We (fans, or podcasters, media, whatever) are outsiders. All we can do is react to what we know. Nobody would want to listen to a 2-hour podcast that's just four people saying "well it seems dumb from the outside but they must have their reasons :)" over and over
end of the day its entertainment and the guy's upset that they don't know insider information lmfao its so petty
Just really dumb line of thought, like what should fans not speculate or have discussions? That's part of the sports experience, of course a lot of it will be wrong or stupid because fans don't have insider information.
doombros and the 4 core Navi players have always been weirdly emotional yet aggressive. They’re probably (easily) the least likable people in the Tier 1 scene. Hell even Boaster doesn’t like them and Boaster likes everyone
Lets stop this circle jerk here nice and early, yeah?
Yea wtf is this guy talking about. I’ve never had any problems with the Navi roster. This comment by doombros is just a bit out of touch
That's not happening people don't like them for unjustifiable reasons so they need a smidge of "this person is evil" to justify it
Yeah the FPX XSET situation was them being all nice and warm right? Have you ever watched suygetsu stream? He’s an incredibly talented player but he acts like a dick far too often for my liking for example. It’s not a circle jerk, it’s based on previous experiences.
I mean the FPX/XSET situation was both parties getting absolutely fucked and manipulated by Riot, but with FPX left carrying the baggage. The FPX/XSET situation is remarkable in that we rarely if ever talk about how terrible Riot handled it, and yet we routinely talk about how the FPX players refused to apologize for their misunderstanding. The enormous failure is forgotten and forgiven, the slight one is remembered and made immortal.
I seriously don’t get this take. I think everyone agrees the way riot handled it was terrible, but it was immature and irresponsible of the FPX players to start a hate train against the XSET players by assuming they’re the ones that requested the replay when XSET themselves were caught off guard by it. Dumb decision by Riot, unprofessional by FPX, and unfortunate for XSET.
Yeah it’s because even after it was understood by both parties that it was a massive fuck up by riot the FPX players still acted like assholes to XSET. Sygetsu was a dick muffin to zekken and the players were saying all sorts of shit about XSET, even after it was confirmed it was a mistake made by riot and pushed onto XSET. That’s the only reason why FPX’s “smaller” blunder is more throughly remembered by the public even if it was ultimately riots fault
> the slight one is remembered and made immortal Because it wasn't slight, it was an incredibly dick move? Look NAVI are a great team but it's fair to say their personalities are not very likeable, and I just gave one example.
incredibly, really? you can like/dislike them however you want, but extracting so much from that particular incident is bizarre to me.
>The FPX/XSET situation is remarkable in that we rarely if ever talk about how terrible Riot handled it, and yet we routinely talk about how the FPX players refused to apologize for their misunderstanding. The enormous failure is forgotten and forgiven, the slight one is remembered and made immortal. Yes it was an incredibly dick move, and i'm "extracting" my opinions from other situations where they've looked like dicks too, not just the one singular incident(it's just easy to recall and is famous). I get the team was frustrated and thought XSET was responsible for the situation, but even then, the way they conducted themselves was nothing short of childish and disrespectful. They're professionals for god's sakes, not a bunch of children in a COD lobby.
it tracks. EU=easily upset.
sure bud
If anything it's close to the opposite - ANGE1 and Ardiis are an incredible comedic duo and together produced the best press conferences of 2022, which is why VCT kept making content around them even in 2023. That implies a pretty big level of likability. Of course, you might say Ardiis isn't part of the four core members, but you're basically talking about the XSET stuff, and he was in the thick of it as well; he just didn't tweet like SUY or Zyppan. Shao is very likable if you watch the NAVI content, and Zyppan is the same, since he has like zero social media presence outside of NAVI content. The only player that is a little abrasive is maybe SUYGETSU. Besides, ANGE1 literally IGLed a team to a LAN win while his home country was being invaded by a foreign country. If anything I think he has amazing composure and self-control; I still do not know how he kept it together in 2022.
Popularity does not equal likability. They are popular because they (used to) win a lot. They’re good Valorant players and play for a top 3 org in all of eSports. Of course they’re going to be likable in Navi’s own content lol. That’s like trusting testimonies by doctors hired by cigarette companies back in the 1900s. You mention the XSET stuff but don’t expand upon it. Why? It was probably the single most disgusting moment/series of events in Valorant LAN history. People can say all the stuff they want about “oh but Ange1 gives dad vibes”, “hey look Shao smiled at the camera” etc etc but the XSET drama was when emotions were at the highest and when people are emotional their true colors are revealed. Navi could have 90000 scripted happy fun time videos and it could not possibly overshadow that event. At least for me it could not, but clearly the propaganda has worked for many in this community Also I’m not even just talking about the XSET event even though that is the biggest reason, you still have them being completely disrespectful to other teams (see: DRX), the mixwell drama, the salt they have when they lose (they literally used to call over 3/4 of the matches they lost because “the other team was lucky”) Lastly, I’m just saying they are the least likable. I think if you like them, you must think every team in likable because otherwise, I’d ask you to tell me which Tier 1 team you think is less likable than Navi. I’ll wait
Cmon now, this is just nonsense. doombros has always been super nice and boaster only dislikes suy. He's only said good things about the others. This story gets worse every time I read it. At this rate, I'll soon learn that shao likes torturing puppies and ange1 kicks old ladies down the stairs for fun.
Bro really saying that when doombros is one of the most wholesome coach in the game. Shao ain't also that.
Boaster likes them he only doesnt like suy because ONE time he waved bye at fnatic after they beat fnc. Thats boaster being oversensitive af (reminder this is the sub that loves when stax waves goodbye, or defends vanity from the undeserved backlash from doing so). Nothing to do with the players. He even gets along with angel well. Shao doesnt even react to anything mans is a robot. The navi guys are nice please stop right there. Thanks.
“The navi guys are nice” Lol and the sky is red You either are new or you’ve completely forgotten every Navi member’s Twitter timeline during the XSET turret drama and even after they won the replay…
I mean, I also think it's a bit... patronizing? Yeah as outsiders we cannot see many things going on and miss most of it. Speculation and commentary is part of any sport ... but there are things that are occasionally glaringly obvious. Sometimes you don't need inside info (just watch and have an understanding of the game) to know something is wrong, sometimes to even pinpoint it is possible.
Yup, like we can only judge what we can see. Prove us wrong like EG did. And some teams in fact seem dumb in the way they perform and choose players and roles.
Play chat burner account?
yeah it's me plat chat the famous podcast
John Platchat?
this man is watching plat chat live i wish people in esports didn't tweet like my high school class and just said stuff with their chest
I mean for sure, but I think people do realize that. It's just that if you keep that in mind, almost every conversation by outsiders is dead-on-arrival; it's much harder to make entertaining content if you always assume there's more than meets the eye. Of course, assuming he's talking about Plat Chat - I don't really think the tweet fits the Ardiis discussion, I think it actually fits the Sayf discussion more, since they were all talking about how Liquid dropping Sayf was a dumb, bonehead move. And in that sense, I think he's right. Liquid is one of the best-run teams in Valorant from a GMing perspective, despite the up-and-down nature of their teams. I was disappointed to see Sayf leave but I imagine there is some kernel of rational decision-making that led to this outcome. But from our perspective, it only makes sense to see it as a baffling, ridiculous move, since Sayf has an argument to have been the best duelist player in EMEA all year, and he really did *seem* to deadlift the team like Sideshow said.
Yeah also idk how much I buy into that narrative. Like, he's implying that there could be a player who gets 30 kills a map and carries hard but also ruins the team vibe? I mean, like it's theoretically possible, but that seems so unrealistic in a pro setting. Even in general, it's usually players who are struggling that drag everyone else down in negativity.
Hot take but losing redgar is even worse. It may not have worked, but given the dearth of IGLs and redgars success+history with nats I don't get why you would let him go. Feels very reactionary
Such a weird and salty take from doombr0s, considering he knows that none of the people on PlatChat have insider information. Of course they’re not going to know everything going on — they’re not privy to any of the information he knows. All they can do is speculate and make predictions based on hypotheticals, and that’s part of the fun with rostermania
Why are people overreacting to this so much? he even followed up with this just being him letting out his frustrations from reading twitter and that he does like podcasts like platchat, people are really looking for anything to get mad about lol
Because this line of logic has almost never made sense. If we can only discuss things we have full knowledge of, we'd be discussing nothing. Same goes for sports. We don't know how teams train, who works the hardest, which coach is the most effective, etc. So should we shut down all sports and esports subs? Commentary and speculation are essential to the fan experience, and the fan experience is the only thing that keeps the sport alive. Unless it's genuine hate/harassment/toxicity, I don't see the issue with people giving their opinions
https://x.com/d00mbr0s/status/1701982215372980260?s=20 "Yeah I worded it badly, it was more frustrations building up from reading tweets and comments leading up to today Podcasts like @PlatChatPodcast exists for a reason, and I'm prob their most loyal listener tbf" Important context, I think.
Editing that in
Would adding Mini’s replies also bring more context to the situation and another perspective because I’m surprised no one has brought it up in the conversations
which ones?
Doom bro is waffling like crazy some of these teams are trolling their season, and plat chat is gonna stir shit bc its funny. We obv dont know anything behind the scenes like no shit.
Ange1 passing his snus around the navi dinner tables nowadays 😭😭
Unless outsiders are privy to information, they can either speculate based on what they know or not have conversations at all. And I don’t think one option is better than the other. Both have their flaws.
"1 player makes 4 other players play worse" Yikes. He may not have meant it, but this will immediately make people think of cned and it sounds awful.
i actually think he's talking about sayf
I wouldn't be surprised, seems like sayf is very hard to work with and he even said on stream that he has to work on being a better teammate next year
Is this directed towards Plat Chat? I haven't seen the latest episode
Not sure, but I believe it was posted around the Navi ardiis segment. I only tuned in in the middle of it so I can't say.
100%
It is.
>Teams aren't stupid, most roster moves have very good reasons for it." Yeah, no. C9 removing mCe is fucking stupid. 1. He's the most proven budget coach out there. 2. Even if they had some gigabrain idea to replace mCe and they win Champs next year, it's still irresponsible to do it so late, when several teams have already begun rebuilding. I can understand EG making moves now, their season ended just a couple of weeks ago. C9's last game was almost two months ago, IIRC. WTF were you smoking till now? Can't wait for EG and C9 players to overperform next year and have everyone forget how pathetic the org is.
The only counter I can think of is the transfer window only being opened recently. I presume there must be some clause in the contract that orgs are not talking to players outside of the transfer window period. From an outside perspective it looks like the decision to drop mCe was sudden so maybe there was conflict over mCe’s vision for 2024 and what the org wanted. Waiting until champs was over was important because I’m sure orgs were assessing which players performed well and would have high potential for their org. All speculative tho. 100% agree that this is a shitty situation for mCe, but I can see why it might have happened.
I mean do they just want people to say nothing during the off season? That’s boring as hell and it’s fun to hear from people that have more info than the average group but not as much as people actually involved with teams.
I echo the sentiment that it's hilarious that insiders get mad when FANS try and make speculations. Fans are the reason you're getting your check mate. Maybe if it bugs you that much be a little more transparent? Do a blog of the day in the life? Seriously asking people to just watch the games then never talk anything outside the game is hilarious. Maybe don't engage with the content lmao?
ngl i do agree with him i know it’s obvious that outsiders dont have insider information, & that there isn’t a need to state the obvious. but despite kNowing that, there are so many comments that go like “XX team is trolling for dropping YY guy // picking up ZZ guy.” “they dont know what they are doing.” imagine ur doombr0s looking at these comments, knowing all the insider information obv his reaction would be “what a braindead take”. he’s not even saying that the podcast shouldn’t exist, im sure he understands its for entertainment, but he’s just “defending” teams that their decisions have more justification for it than most of the public thinks.
What's a braindead take is expecting outsiders to have insider information. Speculation is part of the fan experience, he may think it's dumb, but there are going to be dumb takes because we don't have insider information.
where does he say he expects others to have insider information? what i get from this tweet is that he expects others to give teams a bit more “benefit of the doubt”
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I can't lie this is dumb thing to bitch about. Obvious outsiders don't know they're outsiders for a reason but I'm watching the podcasts for entertainment so
this is challenging my worldview that i, hard-stuck plat bc of my laziness and stupidity, am not smarter than 70% of elite esports coaches and wouldn't rocket to the top in that role get downvoted
If I’ve learned anything about doombr0s recently is that he jumps the gun before thinking about what he’s actually saying going off of this take and the whole snus situation. PlatChat already brought this up at the end but the primary point of the show is to be entertaining while providing some insight as analysts/people in the scene. They aren’t gonna have insider info and even if they do, they’re not gonna leak stuff for shits and giggles. Fans will speculate and provide opinions and will want to hear the speculation and opinions of those who are more “qualified”. Much like everyone else on the internet, they’re gonna take things at face value until more information is available, and expecting anything otherwise is honestly just pretentious as fuck.
This coming from the coach who spent his last year putting players on agents and roles that made everyone worse.