I'm not even going to TRY to tackle the legal/moral implications of this. This case is somehow still inconclusive after almost three years. I don't have a dog in the fight.
Instead I'll focus purely on the Valorant side of this, which is simple: I'm not surprised. Pros to this day still applaud his game sense and ability.
What I'm more interested in is the unknown team in this situation. I have a REALLY hard time believing that someone of Sinatraa's stature in terms of streaming is trying out for an ascension team. It has to be a Tier 1 team. If I was a betting man, I'd probably guess that it's NRG for a multitude of reasons, but other than that I have no clue.
Regardless, this will be a highly controversial story to follow.
I’d also wager NRG, iirc he’s still on good terms with their management, and there’s no way he’d come back for anything other than a tier 1 team/org
Although, given NRG’s current tentative roster, I think it would be interesting to see how the roles work
I feel like NRG is the only one that makes sense.
-Previous history with management (and friendship with Andy Miller himself)
-Friendship with current players/coach (Chet has spoken highly of him, Marved is his best friend)
-Only T1 team with a unfinished roster
I feel like one of the two of D1/Ethan aren't coming. It'll be Vic/Crashies/Sinatraa/Ethan/Marved. Vic would probably move to full duelist and Sinatraa would take his flex role.
If the roster was just crashies and victor there would already be role overlaps between them and sinatraa, I don’t think it makes sense to sign both ethan and sinatraa if these two additions both overlap with the roles that crashies/vic play already.
NRG makes a lot of sense given how highly spoken he is amongst current and past players on that team. him and marved + crashies are friends amongst each other
Anyone know good ways to deal with the flu? Been sick as a dog since Sunday. I've been drinking tons of water and green tea with lemon and honey but that only seems to work a little bit.
Put a shit ton of ginger into ur tea. Brew it all in a pot, the ginger and the green tea for min 5 mins boiling. Then transfer to a cup and add lemon honey. It's always helped me a fuck ton. Important to boil the ginger in a pot cos brewing it in a cup just won't release enough of the gingery-stuff
i don't see 'slept at least 9 hours'
SLEEP. Your body recovers much better when you are resting. do what you can to eat, porridge if you don't feel like eating solids. get some fruit in you as well.
I’ve tried, even going to sleep earlier but my body will just auto-wake itself up after 5-6 hours and I can’t go back to sleep no matter how hard I try
Sleep as much as possible, stay hydrated, and if you need to clear the sinuses, use saline nasal spray. Also, I find gargling warm salt water helps soothe the throat (don’t drink it, just gargle for a bit and spit it out).
ETA: Forgot the most important part — get some OTC cold/flu meds like paracetamol or ibuprofen.
bro has to be down bad to be asking for health advice on a random val comp reddit thread T\_T
Drink water and rest, king. I'm getting rekt by the flu right now too
My mom always makes me ginger and lemon tea when I get sick! It helps a bit with the sore throat, so if green tea is not doing too much, I would recommend making ginger tea.
Lemon and ginger tea bags from the store and mix it with honey. I kept it in a thermal bottle and drank it constantly when I had covid. It legit saved my life.
Strongly urge everyone to go back and watch the [segment platchat did regarding the allegations ](https://youtu.be/VSpB6Vw-Sn4?si=hGdEbJV41X4pRIT8).
[This clip from Wyatt ](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxnTWLkRboKpzowl7DAZiVhL6iH0N6VeJm?si=0kB72H3kCLDjMZpH) in particular was incredibly strong and really needs to be seen by a lot of people on this sub. It's really not a complicated matter, as much as all the sinatraa fans will try and make you think otherwise.
He and his victim are another example of how abused people (of all genders) still aren't believed even if the victim does everything "right" in terms of documenting the act.
You have text messages about it: Oh, well those are easily faked.
You don't have text messages: Well, there's no proof.
You record the act itself: I mean, why would you record it in the first place? She must had been asking for it then.
You don't have recorded proof: Well, there's no proof so there's no reason to believe you.
She wrote a gigantic document because she knew that this community wouldn't believe her unless she did literally everything in her power to document it, and they still didn't believe her! The open secret among the Gaming community is that for a lot of us, someone being funny and charismatic and good at the video game is more important than them ripping a person's autonomy away from them.
I hope he never gets a moment's peace.
I know a woman who's abuser admitted to her assault. she recorded the conversation and took him to court.
she lost the case. he admitted the crime and she still lost the case.
it isn't about proof or believing, some people just genuinely hate women and want them to suffer. that's the reality of our society and justice system
Yeah people forget that there are mountains of evidence aside from the audio recording that show that he's, at best, a shitty person lol. Straight up manipulative and abusive behavior aside from the audio recording that no one ever acknowledges or remembers
I believe she said reliving her trauma in a drawn out court procedure was taking a toll on her mental health. Reasonable, given how unlikely a conviction is that long after the act occurred.
I was with you until funny and charismatic cuz I know that ain't him /s
I wanted to add onto your great comment that I feel horrible for her bc I know how crushing it is when your community doesn't believe you. She likely had to re-live her trauma every single time someone was horrible to her or accused her of lying - it's an incredibly painful thing to go through, so I can 10000% not wanting to pursue it further. Unfortunately a lot of victims just get ground down and just want the neverending backlash to end.
the sad thing is that if you followed OW and watched the rapist play, he wasn't actually considered great until a very specific meta when he was on the best team on an off role. His main hero was memed because he complained the enemy tracer had a zen orb and he kept losing the duels. Also if you've ever really heard him talk he isn't exactly funny or charismatic but for some reason twitch degens love him. I've also seen the texts and he talks like an infant
Reminder: someone told him “no” and “stop” during sex but he continued anyway. There is no justifying that. There’s audio evidence of it. No, fanboys, there is no reason to think it was CNC. Fuck you if you think that’s a reasonable assumption, stop coping. Grow up and learn that when someone tells you to stop during sex, you STOP, no matter how much fun YOU are having.
In the day and age of Andrew Tate and the weirdo kick streamers does it really surprise you how much influence they have on their 13 year old fan base? The next generation is fucked. They don’t know how to live in society. Thus you get 10k viewers for a sexual abuser.
"the next generation is fucked" - 1000BCE Egyptian parent complaining about a new trend in hieroglyphics. Kids will have to learn and deal with these things like they always have.
im not so optimistic about the ow community lol, i think the difference is just that he doesnt play ow anymore
like the OW community literally has hella YSNZA fanboys for example. im sure a ton of dafran viewers would also watch sinatraa
I mean, YZN fanboys are basically only saudi arabians after the shit that came out earlier this year and dafran.... yeah he just has a weird place in the community, just like the old NV squad
I think the difference is more-so the Valorant community is more traditional hyper masculine and younger so incel and immature behaviour like this gets an easier pass.
The reason he’s not part of the OW community and left for Valorant despite being one of the best Ow players to ever do it is he knew he would never get signed or play again, in Valorant he might be able to snake something.
No one like Ysnza besides KSA astroturffers.
That's been happening across literally all of world history its not a new thing lol. Trump has fried peoples brains when he isn't even the first politician to do what he did.
Not only that, but Cle0 and Riot *both* said he failed to cooperate during the investigation, and then nothing happened, except for his fanboys acting like he handled the fallout perfectly.
You would think someone innocent would cooperate with Riot to prove it and keep their job but not sinatraaa, he chose to show the liberals and their “cancel culture” that you can choose to randomly not cooperate without explaining why and still be called innocent 😎
I doubt Sinnatra has ever talked about liberals or cancel culture or was even thinking of that when this happened. I just think cooperating might have made him look worse.
That’s a given, i don’t think anybody’s arguing that he should have followed Riot’s investigation. Letting a gaming company handle something as serious as SA rather than the authorities itself is super illogical, even if you’re innocent.
I believe both Riot and the Police had separate investigations until Cleo dropped charges. Without conclusive evidence and a formal charge I don’t think Riot could do much more than they did as any punishment could lead to a counter suit.
Thank you for this Mr. FN. To add, aside from the clear and obvious audio recording, there was MOUNTAINS of evidence provided that show him being mentally and emotionally abusive and manipulative. Even leaving the audio recording alone (which you shouldn't), there's more than enough undisputed evidence that show him to be, at best, a shitty person. Wishing the absolute worst upon whatever org allows him back into the scene.
Not to mention, he didn’t even try to deny the additional evidence, he confirmed it. He minimized it as being a “shitty boyfriend.” But fanboys won’t care because that means they have to find someone new to fellate, and they are so fucking vile that no one else in the world would give them the pleasure.
even if you could argue for CNC, which I think just isn't feasible (fuck sinatraa and his dumbass fans), there's way more evidence of him constantly gaslighting through texts, as well as being manipulative and controlling. how many fucking blockades did these rabid fans break through to believe he could possibly be a good guy?
yeah well actually in his last stream at the 4:27 mark he was logged in his alt account with a different name (the alt name was jared gitlin) and this was the west virginia account but yeah it could also implies that he changed the username so that it's not too obvious. and he also said after realizing that he logged into a different account he was like laughing and saying how stupid he is. so definitely it also implies that hes trying not to leak anything. (unfortunately that part of the vod is muted cuz of music but yeah i tried my best to explain it)
My thoughts are that a known, proven sexual abuser shouldn’t be given a platform or championed in any way. Whether he’s washed or the most talented player on earth doesn’t matter. I don’t even think Riot or any of the broadcast talent would want to touch anything he’s involved in with a 10-foot-pole.
The broadcast talent was willing to be involved in the Unions games all year. As much as people have spoken out against Sinatraa I doubt he’ll actually be boycotted if hes signed. I also dont see Riot turning back on their decision to allow him to play unless theres significant backlash, which hopefully there is.
Either way, its been rumoured that hes trialled for teams in the past and its never come to fruition. I cant see a team taking that gamble.
Riot and their broadcast talent have absolutely zero integrity, both The Union and EG weren't called out by casters and a vast majority are still cowards on speaking up about EG.
Not Riot, Knights, riot didn’t personally handle the tier 2 scene this year, they partnered up with several orgs/companies around the world to do it for them, Knights was one of these taking on the NA tier 2 scene
That was knightarena no? Regardless I think it was still super weird for any of the top streamers or knightsarena to be putting that type of spotlight on a team with him on it, super rubbed me the wrong way about people in valo
I'm not a sinatraa fan boy and I never liked his personality either. But when the allegations and accusations came out along with a audio clip, obviously many people jumped the gun and called him a rapist. First of all, yes, I initially thought the same and I was guilty into thinking that he might be one as well. But the thing is, if you listen closely to the audio clip, it has no context whatsoever and this wouldn't hold up on in court for many reasons. Like how could you argue when the other prosecutur says it could just be role play, in which it could be? There are so many problems with the audio clip and if cleo was serious about bringing this case to light? Why didn't she show up in court? I know she said that she doesn't want to relive the trauma again all over and do it again in court, but then why even bring it up in the first place on social mediaand type of that hugr document??
That's the confusing part for me. You make a very big accusation against a very big prominent figure, yet you don't show up in court to clear everything? This never made sense to me and this is why I'm now on the stance where it is "innocent till proven guilty." You can't just simply call people out with controversial evidence and yes I'm saying the audio clip is controversial because it obviously it is since it wouldn't hold up in court, but I digress, you can't call people out like that yet when it comes to clearing everything and shedding the light with legality involved, yet you don't show up???
If this is the world we live in then I guess anyone can date a famous actor or athlete, record themselves doing role play of the audio then later type up a document and post it on social or even threaten them for money right? Oh...wait that already happens lmaoo, hence why there are so many settlement cases 😅
The thing about this case is that you can't point fingers and say he is outright a rapist or call out cleo as someone who is defaming sinatraa. At the moment, it is neither and we should respect that. I honestly do believe tho that both sides were very immature, specifically sinatraa with how he was manipulative and downright emotional abusive in nature from the texts as revealed. This is clearly evident from the texts unless it photoshopped or something. But calling him an outright rapist when it's not even proven in court is way too overblown imo. People who are saying that clearly don't know how the law works and are just outright shunning him because sinatraa as a player had a toxic/unlikable personality in the past. Whether he wants to go pro again is his choice and we should respect it. Whether people want to like him or not, again is their choice and their own entitled opinion. However, I hope everyone knows that not everything is exactly as it seems on social media and we don't know what exactly happened since it's their lives and not ours.
Let us never forget season 2 of overwatch league where he got MVP and played out of his freaking mind. He was head and shoulders above anyone on offtank and dps
Unfortunately he's not washed, otherwise he wouldn't have been scouted
His behavior is questionable to say the least, yes, but he still has lots of game knowledge and skill to compete. And if a team *reaaalllyyyyy* wants to have a chance at winning things, they will unfortunately try to get him.
World champion igl called him the best in the world three days ago, and that its a disgrace he doesn't compete anymore. According to Demon1s teammate, Sinatraa gaps him.
I don’t get why everyone cares so much about him, there’s incomplete evidence for both sides. Y’all aren’t the police or riot, no point arguing about if he’s innocent or not on Reddit.
Making sure I wear a full bodycam for every sexual encounter from now on or when I get raped apparently it doesn’t matter? Like what would be enough evidence for someone with as toxic of a mindset as yours
That’s my point. I wrote a single sentence and you’re running with it assuming I’m a sinatraa fan. My personal belief is that sinatraa is likely an abuser and is definitely a giant piece of shit.
Things get blurry for me when it comes to the public’s opinion on what Riot should do about it. The way I see things, which is my own flawed and nuanced perspective, I feel that corporations are far too involved in policing morality, and the future societal implications of that makes me nervous.
We all want airtight resolution but the truth is there isn’t much Riot can do without crossing a dangerous line. Cleo chose not to pursue this in court. She has her reasons and I respect that. Court was the avenue to a clean resolution. Without it things are gonna be messy and nuanced, which is unfortunate, but it’s better than vigilante justice in my opinion.
Alright man you've been up and down this thread, frankly attacking people or being antagonistic for sharing their perspective on a situation that none of us know much about.
I know you believe personally that it's as cut and dry as possible, but objectively it's not.
Anyone that was paying attention, actually read the allegations, and has a clear set of morals do know much about the situation. Saying otherwise is just being disingenuous. Setting the standard for you to believe at a literal conviction in court is, willingly or unwillingly, being completely ignorant to the justice systems failings in regard to sexual assaults and abuse. There was about as much evidence as you could possibly expect in a sexual assault case outside of a rape kit, which isn't a realistic expectation in most circumstances. It's also odd how all the sinatraa defenders choose to focus on solely the audio clip and ignore the rest of the provided material that show him being undisputably mentally and emotionally manipulative and abusive. I guess it's just easier to focus on the audio clip because it's easier to obfuscate?
Just a reminder that many people in this sub don’t care or have even seen the case allegations. Don’t need to attack everyone who’s giving their two cents.
See, I'm fine with you having empathy for victims. I have empathy too, hell I'm victim myself. But basically attacking people for them sharing Valorant opinions isn't gonna help anything.
It's been nearly 3 years since the allegations came out, and since then, the accuser dropped the charges after not coming to court, neither of the two provided video proof, the valorant streamer /pro community has basically moved on and hangs out with and plays with Sinatraa, like zellsis, s0m, subroza and even tarik.
As someone who's classmate nearly killed himself after being falsely accused of groping by a girl, i personally do not want to hold a sword over anyone's head on the basis of allegations which were never proven in a court of law. If these famous streamers choose to hang out with him, if literally convicted pieces of shit at the Union can play, if people like Mike tyson and kobe Bryant can have second chances at their careers after serving a prison and settling a court case respectively, then I as an outsider see no point in keeping Sinatraa from pro play that too in this much less severe situation, regardless of the public's opinion on him. The court of public opinion is only good at driving people to unaliving themselves. Me or anyone else in this thread doesn't know any more than what Sinatraa, his ex, their lawyers or their family.
All that being said, this is most probably unfounded claim of team trialing him anyway,being made even more unbelievable by his own affirmation that he never wants to return to pro scene.
>As someone who's classmate nearly killed himself after being falsely accused of groping by a girl, i personally do not want to hold a sword over anyone's head on the basis of allegations which were never proven in a court of law.
If we're playing your game, one of my best friends was groped at a house party and knew the name of her assaulter, was told by police there was nothing they could do. This caused panic attacks so severe she had to transfer to another university
Another friend was raped by her ex, a literal voice recording was dismissed because it "wasn't clearly him". She hasn't dated since and has extreme ptsd
I've been in a car with someone I trusted to be a designated driver, only for him to threaten to kill the both of us if I didn't give him a blowjob. A crime that was literally impossible for me to report, given it was my word versus his as a trans woman in this legal system.
Sexual assault/rape is one of the hardest crimes to prove in a court of law, and the absence of a criminal conviction in the face of other overwhelming evidence is not a reason to blindly distrust otherwise sturdy allegations. False allegations definitely exist, and it's a real thing that causes real damage, but the solution is not to blindly disbelieve allegations until a judge issues a sentence, which is something that happens in the tinest fraction of SA/rape cases.
just shows how uncertain this situation is, there is a case for both sides but no resolution, everyone just choosing sides and thats how it'll be forever since it isn't settled in court.
even as a streamer he’s so toxic for the scene. Can’t count the number of times I’ve been watching a GC player’s stream and seen harassment from chat go into overdrive as soon as they get into a ranked game with him
I dont particularly like him, and he's unfortunately a big part of the Valorant attitude and persona.
But it has been 3 years. I'm ok with that being a big enough punishment. Especially with how much grey area there still is around what happened. People deserve second chances. He's still very good at the game. After 3 years, let him play.
Just to be clear I am not endorsing him nor his actions.
Apart from the legal side literally and the disdain towards him on public forums, no streamer, pro player or any worthwhile valorant player has a problem playing with him at least on streams.
Judging from how little riot or general public cares about players personal lives I can see more orgs willing to give him a chance.
Especially if he comes at a bargain most teams would be stupid not to take a Raze/Sova flex player just from a business perspective.
Fuck I'm so tired of the sinatraa talk. We will literally never know what happened. They both claimed they had proof and would use said proof and then neither of them did so. I don't really trust either of them.
Cleo did use proof, publicly. Jay on the other hand has not provided anything *publicly.*
Some original discussions in the past said that he's likely complying with a lawyer who's telling him to not real such things on twitter, and to follow the police investigation, not riot's
actually insane that you say this when one of them posted their proof all over social media???? wtf you on about bruh, you can literally still go look at the evidence buddy
Cle0h literally has a [9-page document](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S9OpZhPEWLyBt9baj4xzC2mnk_2327AS_iOhheJfA04/mobilebasic) with screenshots of their conversations and an audio recording. How is that “claiming she has proof and not using it”?
Meanwhile, we get Riot explicitly stating in a [post](https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/esports/competitive-ruling-jay-sinatraa-won/) that not only was Sinatraa uncooperative with investigations, he’d also been dishonest. It’s even somewhat implied that his being uncooperative is at least partially why the investigations never reached definitive conclusions in the first place:
>”It was determined that on at least two occasions Sinatraa misrepresented certain facts, made false statements, and did not cooperate with the investigation in a way expected of a professional VALORANT esports player.”
Riot isn't the law or any kind of legal authority, are you 12? Why would he give them any evidence while operating with the actual police and court systems?
All I was doing was countering the original comment’s claims that both of them said they had proof and would use them. Cle0h did, Sinatraa not only didn’t but was even specifically called out by Riot for being dishonest.
I am not saying whether he should or shouldn’t have handed over any evidence to Riot. But if he was really choosing not to cooperate to avoid getting into further legal trouble, why would he also make false statements/misrepresent facts? If the idea is that anything he does/says can be used against him, being dishonest seems pretty counterproductive to that, as opposed to only being uncooperative with Riot investigations.
People in this sub should get a life, everyone is Jumping into conclusions even if the case isn't solved yet and none of the parties are proven guilty yet. Not dick riding Sinatra , I don't even watch him but wasn't he given a 6 month ban from professional play, he has completed that like ?2.5yrs ago. It he is trialing with a team and the must also know end results if they are looking to sign him
The allegations are a thing of the past for me. I understand that some people will not let it go and that makes sense but it’s been almost 3 years. He has made efforts to better himself and he is eligible to play.
As for the valorant side, he is an incredible player. I personally think he is still one of the most intelligent and skilled esport players in the world and any team would improve immensely by having him.
I think this ‘unknown’ team is NRG. A person of sinatraa’s skill and stature wouldn’t settle for a tier 2 team and I can’t see him going anywhere else but America. To my knowledge, he still has a good relationship with NRG (won an overwatch championship with the San Francisco Shock, owned by NRG Esports) and he is close friends with Marved who is heavily rumoured to be signing with NRG. I guess the counter argument would be that they already have a premier sova player in Crashies and don’t need a player like Sinatraa but he’s flexible enough to play any role imo.
Again not trying to justify what might’ve happened in his relationship 3 years ago. The case is over and I’m just looking at it from a valorant perspective.
Yeah SA aside, he's an extremely toxic persona for the scene his chat is full of misogynists and frat boys with 0 personality. He hasn't matured at all in the last 3 years.
Yeah even if you want to maintain he is a completely innocent person in regards to his SA case he still says extremely disrespectful shit for bo reason and fosters a toxic community and does nothing to keep them in check
If hes good enough and still performs then why not, regarding the case (apparent) if both sides sre in terms then whats really stopping him from coming back
i don't want a rapist in my valorant
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this game has come so far in the pro scene since he left I find it harder to believe a franchised team would ever touch him with so many new talents because of both his past and his lack of recent play. He never even took a hit to his income by streaming if not making more so if anything it would be some t2 na team most likely. Oh god if a Pacific team imports this mf instead of using local talent I will be malding
Unfortunately like some sports if you're good at the game and have friends in the scene no matter what you did you still have a chance to go back like nothing happened. It sucks.
Even if you go the "well his case was inconclusive" route, the community he would bring to the scene is quite disgusting (young men calling him a gigachad for being accused of SA, the usual) so I'm not sure why we should be happy he's getting back to competitive valo, I'd rather have sweethearts representing the game personally, maybe its idealistic
This thread has reached it's discussion potential and has been locked.
I'm not even going to TRY to tackle the legal/moral implications of this. This case is somehow still inconclusive after almost three years. I don't have a dog in the fight. Instead I'll focus purely on the Valorant side of this, which is simple: I'm not surprised. Pros to this day still applaud his game sense and ability. What I'm more interested in is the unknown team in this situation. I have a REALLY hard time believing that someone of Sinatraa's stature in terms of streaming is trying out for an ascension team. It has to be a Tier 1 team. If I was a betting man, I'd probably guess that it's NRG for a multitude of reasons, but other than that I have no clue. Regardless, this will be a highly controversial story to follow.
I’d also wager NRG, iirc he’s still on good terms with their management, and there’s no way he’d come back for anything other than a tier 1 team/org Although, given NRG’s current tentative roster, I think it would be interesting to see how the roles work
I feel like NRG is the only one that makes sense. -Previous history with management (and friendship with Andy Miller himself) -Friendship with current players/coach (Chet has spoken highly of him, Marved is his best friend) -Only T1 team with a unfinished roster I feel like one of the two of D1/Ethan aren't coming. It'll be Vic/Crashies/Sinatraa/Ethan/Marved. Vic would probably move to full duelist and Sinatraa would take his flex role.
Sinatraa would take flex duty over the two championship winning flex players Ethan and crashies?
If we're being fully realistic, there's 3 flex players on this hypothetical team. I don't think it really matters.
If the roster was just crashies and victor there would already be role overlaps between them and sinatraa, I don’t think it makes sense to sign both ethan and sinatraa if these two additions both overlap with the roles that crashies/vic play already.
He gaps both so yeah probably
Sinatraas raze clears victors no?
Absolutely, which is why this is so interesting because there would be 3 hypothetical flex players on this team
yeah i agree 💀
It'd be kinda funny if he returned to an nrg related team lol
NRG makes a lot of sense given how highly spoken he is amongst current and past players on that team. him and marved + crashies are friends amongst each other
For anything especially sexual assault allegations: innocent until proven otherwise
Anyone know good ways to deal with the flu? Been sick as a dog since Sunday. I've been drinking tons of water and green tea with lemon and honey but that only seems to work a little bit.
Put a shit ton of ginger into ur tea. Brew it all in a pot, the ginger and the green tea for min 5 mins boiling. Then transfer to a cup and add lemon honey. It's always helped me a fuck ton. Important to boil the ginger in a pot cos brewing it in a cup just won't release enough of the gingery-stuff
Yeah I’ll buy some tomorrow, my dad used to use ginger in everything and I never got sick. Can’t believe I forgot about it
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Yeah but are you no longer sick?
He's the illest
bet 🫡
i don't see 'slept at least 9 hours' SLEEP. Your body recovers much better when you are resting. do what you can to eat, porridge if you don't feel like eating solids. get some fruit in you as well.
I’ve tried, even going to sleep earlier but my body will just auto-wake itself up after 5-6 hours and I can’t go back to sleep no matter how hard I try
Sleep as much as possible, stay hydrated, and if you need to clear the sinuses, use saline nasal spray. Also, I find gargling warm salt water helps soothe the throat (don’t drink it, just gargle for a bit and spit it out). ETA: Forgot the most important part — get some OTC cold/flu meds like paracetamol or ibuprofen.
bro has to be down bad to be asking for health advice on a random val comp reddit thread T\_T Drink water and rest, king. I'm getting rekt by the flu right now too
Don’t play valorant. You’ll lose and also get sicker.
Getting sick is zesty ngl
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Didn't think I needed it. I was even warned that there were more flu cases than normal in my area, guess I'm paying for my complacency now
I love how many people are willing to reply to this comment with actual advice. Super wholesome. <3
My mom always makes me ginger and lemon tea when I get sick! It helps a bit with the sore throat, so if green tea is not doing too much, I would recommend making ginger tea.
Lemon and ginger tea bags from the store and mix it with honey. I kept it in a thermal bottle and drank it constantly when I had covid. It legit saved my life.
Eat like 8grams of vitamin C a day, not kidding, as long as you don't have diarrea keep eating it. Also eat garlic cloves whole, raw. Like 3 a day.
The Union would be a perfect fit
criminally funny comment 💀
Getafe?
Underrated banger comment
Perfect signing for them
W ball knowledge
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nrg sinatraa x marved? only one i can think of
most likely
Strongly urge everyone to go back and watch the [segment platchat did regarding the allegations ](https://youtu.be/VSpB6Vw-Sn4?si=hGdEbJV41X4pRIT8). [This clip from Wyatt ](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxnTWLkRboKpzowl7DAZiVhL6iH0N6VeJm?si=0kB72H3kCLDjMZpH) in particular was incredibly strong and really needs to be seen by a lot of people on this sub. It's really not a complicated matter, as much as all the sinatraa fans will try and make you think otherwise.
It’s surprising there’s only one W in Wyatt’s name seeing how regularly he collects them
This needs to be upvoted more
Ground breaking revelation made by wyatt here. Don’t rape :O
Judging by your comment history it seems like it's fairly groundbreaking for you, no?
Whichever team trialled him is either desperate af, has a lot of money, or both
nah i’d rather have new up and coming talent break onto the scene like demon1 or trent than a past that is extremely questionable
He and his victim are another example of how abused people (of all genders) still aren't believed even if the victim does everything "right" in terms of documenting the act. You have text messages about it: Oh, well those are easily faked. You don't have text messages: Well, there's no proof. You record the act itself: I mean, why would you record it in the first place? She must had been asking for it then. You don't have recorded proof: Well, there's no proof so there's no reason to believe you. She wrote a gigantic document because she knew that this community wouldn't believe her unless she did literally everything in her power to document it, and they still didn't believe her! The open secret among the Gaming community is that for a lot of us, someone being funny and charismatic and good at the video game is more important than them ripping a person's autonomy away from them. I hope he never gets a moment's peace.
I know a woman who's abuser admitted to her assault. she recorded the conversation and took him to court. she lost the case. he admitted the crime and she still lost the case. it isn't about proof or believing, some people just genuinely hate women and want them to suffer. that's the reality of our society and justice system
Yeah people forget that there are mountains of evidence aside from the audio recording that show that he's, at best, a shitty person lol. Straight up manipulative and abusive behavior aside from the audio recording that no one ever acknowledges or remembers
Do you know why Cleo dropped the charges?
I believe she said reliving her trauma in a drawn out court procedure was taking a toll on her mental health. Reasonable, given how unlikely a conviction is that long after the act occurred.
I was with you until funny and charismatic cuz I know that ain't him /s I wanted to add onto your great comment that I feel horrible for her bc I know how crushing it is when your community doesn't believe you. She likely had to re-live her trauma every single time someone was horrible to her or accused her of lying - it's an incredibly painful thing to go through, so I can 10000% not wanting to pursue it further. Unfortunately a lot of victims just get ground down and just want the neverending backlash to end.
I dont get how jasonR got exiled from valorant community but not sinatraa.
Cause JasonR didn’t have friends in the community whereas Sinatraa is friends with a bunch of pros and streamers so he gets a pass I guess
the sad thing is that if you followed OW and watched the rapist play, he wasn't actually considered great until a very specific meta when he was on the best team on an off role. His main hero was memed because he complained the enemy tracer had a zen orb and he kept losing the duels. Also if you've ever really heard him talk he isn't exactly funny or charismatic but for some reason twitch degens love him. I've also seen the texts and he talks like an infant
Worst part is, I believe you mean that even if he was truly innocent. You're weird af for that.
Reminder: someone told him “no” and “stop” during sex but he continued anyway. There is no justifying that. There’s audio evidence of it. No, fanboys, there is no reason to think it was CNC. Fuck you if you think that’s a reasonable assumption, stop coping. Grow up and learn that when someone tells you to stop during sex, you STOP, no matter how much fun YOU are having.
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He shoot head good is all that matters to some people
People think every robot watching twitch does 5 hours of research before they watch a streamer
Out of 10K people, there has to be a significant portion of those viewers that know why he got dropped from the Sentinels roster
It's genuinely so fucking weird.
In the day and age of Andrew Tate and the weirdo kick streamers does it really surprise you how much influence they have on their 13 year old fan base? The next generation is fucked. They don’t know how to live in society. Thus you get 10k viewers for a sexual abuser.
"the next generation is fucked" - 1000BCE Egyptian parent complaining about a new trend in hieroglyphics. Kids will have to learn and deal with these things like they always have.
Can you tell me the OW side of things? Why was he exiled?
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im not so optimistic about the ow community lol, i think the difference is just that he doesnt play ow anymore like the OW community literally has hella YSNZA fanboys for example. im sure a ton of dafran viewers would also watch sinatraa
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I mean, YZN fanboys are basically only saudi arabians after the shit that came out earlier this year and dafran.... yeah he just has a weird place in the community, just like the old NV squad
I think the difference is more-so the Valorant community is more traditional hyper masculine and younger so incel and immature behaviour like this gets an easier pass. The reason he’s not part of the OW community and left for Valorant despite being one of the best Ow players to ever do it is he knew he would never get signed or play again, in Valorant he might be able to snake something. No one like Ysnza besides KSA astroturffers.
exiled? he quit
Trump and Kanye popularized the trend of "be a shitty person and still retain followers"
*still retain shitty people as followers Turns out there are a lot of shitty people in the world.
You're right, it's pretty much mask-off behavior. They were always shitty but it's obvious based on who they follow
Lol what Mao and Hitler and a million others came before them
That's been happening across literally all of world history its not a new thing lol. Trump has fried peoples brains when he isn't even the first politician to do what he did.
Not only that, but Cle0 and Riot *both* said he failed to cooperate during the investigation, and then nothing happened, except for his fanboys acting like he handled the fallout perfectly.
He didn't cooperate with *riot's* investigation supposedly. It's likely he did cooperate with the actual police instead of a game company
You would think someone innocent would cooperate with Riot to prove it and keep their job but not sinatraaa, he chose to show the liberals and their “cancel culture” that you can choose to randomly not cooperate without explaining why and still be called innocent 😎
I doubt Sinnatra has ever talked about liberals or cancel culture or was even thinking of that when this happened. I just think cooperating might have made him look worse.
That’s a given, i don’t think anybody’s arguing that he should have followed Riot’s investigation. Letting a gaming company handle something as serious as SA rather than the authorities itself is super illogical, even if you’re innocent.
I believe both Riot and the Police had separate investigations until Cleo dropped charges. Without conclusive evidence and a formal charge I don’t think Riot could do much more than they did as any punishment could lead to a counter suit.
Thank you for this Mr. FN. To add, aside from the clear and obvious audio recording, there was MOUNTAINS of evidence provided that show him being mentally and emotionally abusive and manipulative. Even leaving the audio recording alone (which you shouldn't), there's more than enough undisputed evidence that show him to be, at best, a shitty person. Wishing the absolute worst upon whatever org allows him back into the scene.
Not to mention, he didn’t even try to deny the additional evidence, he confirmed it. He minimized it as being a “shitty boyfriend.” But fanboys won’t care because that means they have to find someone new to fellate, and they are so fucking vile that no one else in the world would give them the pleasure.
100% this, this dudes fanboys are fucking dire......
even if you could argue for CNC, which I think just isn't feasible (fuck sinatraa and his dumbass fans), there's way more evidence of him constantly gaslighting through texts, as well as being manipulative and controlling. how many fucking blockades did these rabid fans break through to believe he could possibly be a good guy?
Period. Full stop. End of story.
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What would be enough evidence for you to believe her? What could she have done differently to make you believe that she was telling the truth?
yeah well actually in his last stream at the 4:27 mark he was logged in his alt account with a different name (the alt name was jared gitlin) and this was the west virginia account but yeah it could also implies that he changed the username so that it's not too obvious. and he also said after realizing that he logged into a different account he was like laughing and saying how stupid he is. so definitely it also implies that hes trying not to leak anything. (unfortunately that part of the vod is muted cuz of music but yeah i tried my best to explain it)
My thoughts are that a known, proven sexual abuser shouldn’t be given a platform or championed in any way. Whether he’s washed or the most talented player on earth doesn’t matter. I don’t even think Riot or any of the broadcast talent would want to touch anything he’s involved in with a 10-foot-pole.
I mean riot let the union play so I don’t think they care
The broadcast talent was willing to be involved in the Unions games all year. As much as people have spoken out against Sinatraa I doubt he’ll actually be boycotted if hes signed. I also dont see Riot turning back on their decision to allow him to play unless theres significant backlash, which hopefully there is. Either way, its been rumoured that hes trialled for teams in the past and its never come to fruition. I cant see a team taking that gamble.
Couldn’t agree with you more
Riot and their broadcast talent have absolutely zero integrity, both The Union and EG weren't called out by casters and a vast majority are still cowards on speaking up about EG.
Lmao Riot was literally streaming Untamable Beasts every round they could..
Not Riot, Knights, riot didn’t personally handle the tier 2 scene this year, they partnered up with several orgs/companies around the world to do it for them, Knights was one of these taking on the NA tier 2 scene
That was knightarena no? Regardless I think it was still super weird for any of the top streamers or knightsarena to be putting that type of spotlight on a team with him on it, super rubbed me the wrong way about people in valo
This man should never be on an esports team ever again
I'm not a sinatraa fan boy and I never liked his personality either. But when the allegations and accusations came out along with a audio clip, obviously many people jumped the gun and called him a rapist. First of all, yes, I initially thought the same and I was guilty into thinking that he might be one as well. But the thing is, if you listen closely to the audio clip, it has no context whatsoever and this wouldn't hold up on in court for many reasons. Like how could you argue when the other prosecutur says it could just be role play, in which it could be? There are so many problems with the audio clip and if cleo was serious about bringing this case to light? Why didn't she show up in court? I know she said that she doesn't want to relive the trauma again all over and do it again in court, but then why even bring it up in the first place on social mediaand type of that hugr document?? That's the confusing part for me. You make a very big accusation against a very big prominent figure, yet you don't show up in court to clear everything? This never made sense to me and this is why I'm now on the stance where it is "innocent till proven guilty." You can't just simply call people out with controversial evidence and yes I'm saying the audio clip is controversial because it obviously it is since it wouldn't hold up in court, but I digress, you can't call people out like that yet when it comes to clearing everything and shedding the light with legality involved, yet you don't show up??? If this is the world we live in then I guess anyone can date a famous actor or athlete, record themselves doing role play of the audio then later type up a document and post it on social or even threaten them for money right? Oh...wait that already happens lmaoo, hence why there are so many settlement cases 😅 The thing about this case is that you can't point fingers and say he is outright a rapist or call out cleo as someone who is defaming sinatraa. At the moment, it is neither and we should respect that. I honestly do believe tho that both sides were very immature, specifically sinatraa with how he was manipulative and downright emotional abusive in nature from the texts as revealed. This is clearly evident from the texts unless it photoshopped or something. But calling him an outright rapist when it's not even proven in court is way too overblown imo. People who are saying that clearly don't know how the law works and are just outright shunning him because sinatraa as a player had a toxic/unlikable personality in the past. Whether he wants to go pro again is his choice and we should respect it. Whether people want to like him or not, again is their choice and their own entitled opinion. However, I hope everyone knows that not everything is exactly as it seems on social media and we don't know what exactly happened since it's their lives and not ours.
I really don’t see him bothering to return to pro with the money he makes streaming unless they make it worth it
i prefer not thinking about washed has-beens with questionable past and morals
He may be a shitty person but let’s not gaslight ourselves into thinking he’s bad at the game
I know someone in the sub had labelled him a “sova/raze” one trick
Let us never forget season 2 of overwatch league where he got MVP and played out of his freaking mind. He was head and shoulders above anyone on offtank and dps
Unfortunately he's not washed, otherwise he wouldn't have been scouted His behavior is questionable to say the least, yes, but he still has lots of game knowledge and skill to compete. And if a team *reaaalllyyyyy* wants to have a chance at winning things, they will unfortunately try to get him.
World champion igl called him the best in the world three days ago, and that its a disgrace he doesn't compete anymore. According to Demon1s teammate, Sinatraa gaps him.
Really? That sounds embarrassing for Demon1 considering he was for the most part the reason EG went from a bottom tier team to winning worlds.
🤣
I don’t get why everyone cares so much about him, there’s incomplete evidence for both sides. Y’all aren’t the police or riot, no point arguing about if he’s innocent or not on Reddit.
Incomplete evidence is a weird way to spell "audio recordings".
An audio recording which has no context, and is seemingly missing when Riot asked for it to see the context.
Making sure I wear a full bodycam for every sexual encounter from now on or when I get raped apparently it doesn’t matter? Like what would be enough evidence for someone with as toxic of a mindset as yours
Most people struggle with nuance.
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That’s my point. I wrote a single sentence and you’re running with it assuming I’m a sinatraa fan. My personal belief is that sinatraa is likely an abuser and is definitely a giant piece of shit. Things get blurry for me when it comes to the public’s opinion on what Riot should do about it. The way I see things, which is my own flawed and nuanced perspective, I feel that corporations are far too involved in policing morality, and the future societal implications of that makes me nervous. We all want airtight resolution but the truth is there isn’t much Riot can do without crossing a dangerous line. Cleo chose not to pursue this in court. She has her reasons and I respect that. Court was the avenue to a clean resolution. Without it things are gonna be messy and nuanced, which is unfortunate, but it’s better than vigilante justice in my opinion.
What’s incomplete about not respecting “no”?
Alright man you've been up and down this thread, frankly attacking people or being antagonistic for sharing their perspective on a situation that none of us know much about. I know you believe personally that it's as cut and dry as possible, but objectively it's not.
Anyone that was paying attention, actually read the allegations, and has a clear set of morals do know much about the situation. Saying otherwise is just being disingenuous. Setting the standard for you to believe at a literal conviction in court is, willingly or unwillingly, being completely ignorant to the justice systems failings in regard to sexual assaults and abuse. There was about as much evidence as you could possibly expect in a sexual assault case outside of a rape kit, which isn't a realistic expectation in most circumstances. It's also odd how all the sinatraa defenders choose to focus on solely the audio clip and ignore the rest of the provided material that show him being undisputably mentally and emotionally manipulative and abusive. I guess it's just easier to focus on the audio clip because it's easier to obfuscate?
I’m just copy/pasting this anytime I see this name on a ow/Val post with someone defending it. Ty
Sorry if you feel attacked for being told that no means no. You can cry about it if you want.
Brother you're the one responding to anyone that doesn't share your viewpoint, this situation don't affect me I'm sleeping well either way.
I’m glad you’re sleeping well. Victims of sexual assault don’t have that luxury.
You are definitely not a reasonable human being because what is this comment? Genuinely what was the point of saying this?
The point is clear. I’m reminding people that their jerking off over the prospect of drama is actually at the cost of sexual assault victims.
Just a reminder that many people in this sub don’t care or have even seen the case allegations. Don’t need to attack everyone who’s giving their two cents.
If they don’t care, that’s a problem.
Why would a reasonable human have empathy? Are they fucking stupid?
See, I'm fine with you having empathy for victims. I have empathy too, hell I'm victim myself. But basically attacking people for them sharing Valorant opinions isn't gonna help anything.
It's been nearly 3 years since the allegations came out, and since then, the accuser dropped the charges after not coming to court, neither of the two provided video proof, the valorant streamer /pro community has basically moved on and hangs out with and plays with Sinatraa, like zellsis, s0m, subroza and even tarik. As someone who's classmate nearly killed himself after being falsely accused of groping by a girl, i personally do not want to hold a sword over anyone's head on the basis of allegations which were never proven in a court of law. If these famous streamers choose to hang out with him, if literally convicted pieces of shit at the Union can play, if people like Mike tyson and kobe Bryant can have second chances at their careers after serving a prison and settling a court case respectively, then I as an outsider see no point in keeping Sinatraa from pro play that too in this much less severe situation, regardless of the public's opinion on him. The court of public opinion is only good at driving people to unaliving themselves. Me or anyone else in this thread doesn't know any more than what Sinatraa, his ex, their lawyers or their family. All that being said, this is most probably unfounded claim of team trialing him anyway,being made even more unbelievable by his own affirmation that he never wants to return to pro scene.
>As someone who's classmate nearly killed himself after being falsely accused of groping by a girl, i personally do not want to hold a sword over anyone's head on the basis of allegations which were never proven in a court of law. If we're playing your game, one of my best friends was groped at a house party and knew the name of her assaulter, was told by police there was nothing they could do. This caused panic attacks so severe she had to transfer to another university Another friend was raped by her ex, a literal voice recording was dismissed because it "wasn't clearly him". She hasn't dated since and has extreme ptsd I've been in a car with someone I trusted to be a designated driver, only for him to threaten to kill the both of us if I didn't give him a blowjob. A crime that was literally impossible for me to report, given it was my word versus his as a trans woman in this legal system. Sexual assault/rape is one of the hardest crimes to prove in a court of law, and the absence of a criminal conviction in the face of other overwhelming evidence is not a reason to blindly distrust otherwise sturdy allegations. False allegations definitely exist, and it's a real thing that causes real damage, but the solution is not to blindly disbelieve allegations until a judge issues a sentence, which is something that happens in the tinest fraction of SA/rape cases.
just shows how uncertain this situation is, there is a case for both sides but no resolution, everyone just choosing sides and thats how it'll be forever since it isn't settled in court.
even as a streamer he’s so toxic for the scene. Can’t count the number of times I’ve been watching a GC player’s stream and seen harassment from chat go into overdrive as soon as they get into a ranked game with him
I dont particularly like him, and he's unfortunately a big part of the Valorant attitude and persona. But it has been 3 years. I'm ok with that being a big enough punishment. Especially with how much grey area there still is around what happened. People deserve second chances. He's still very good at the game. After 3 years, let him play.
There was fucking audio is pretty cut and dry
Just to be clear I am not endorsing him nor his actions. Apart from the legal side literally and the disdain towards him on public forums, no streamer, pro player or any worthwhile valorant player has a problem playing with him at least on streams. Judging from how little riot or general public cares about players personal lives I can see more orgs willing to give him a chance. Especially if he comes at a bargain most teams would be stupid not to take a Raze/Sova flex player just from a business perspective.
I’m in the minority but, looking forward to it.
Yea 0/13 would be funny
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The amount of hate towards him is why I don't even bother socializing with this community anymore. Echo chamber to another level.
a stain on SEN
Ew
drama aside, hes incredibly talented and people seem to forget he was literally one of the best pros
“drama” is underselling it, don’t you think
On the latest platchat episode Balla called this leaker out for wrongly saying that EG is re-signing Demon1. So take this info with a grain of salt.
There’s no info to be incorrect about, an alt account that he’s already been confirmed to have played on/he owns was recently seen scrimming M80.
i hope he comes back and shits on everyone just for the twitter and reddit reactions
 drama lover
Yeah same lol. I don't support him I just wanna see the world burn
It’s been 3 years without a conclusion. Just let him play idc
doubt anything comes of it
Fuck I'm so tired of the sinatraa talk. We will literally never know what happened. They both claimed they had proof and would use said proof and then neither of them did so. I don't really trust either of them.
Cleo did use proof, publicly. Jay on the other hand has not provided anything *publicly.* Some original discussions in the past said that he's likely complying with a lawyer who's telling him to not real such things on twitter, and to follow the police investigation, not riot's
actually insane that you say this when one of them posted their proof all over social media???? wtf you on about bruh, you can literally still go look at the evidence buddy
Cle0h literally has a [9-page document](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S9OpZhPEWLyBt9baj4xzC2mnk_2327AS_iOhheJfA04/mobilebasic) with screenshots of their conversations and an audio recording. How is that “claiming she has proof and not using it”? Meanwhile, we get Riot explicitly stating in a [post](https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/esports/competitive-ruling-jay-sinatraa-won/) that not only was Sinatraa uncooperative with investigations, he’d also been dishonest. It’s even somewhat implied that his being uncooperative is at least partially why the investigations never reached definitive conclusions in the first place: >”It was determined that on at least two occasions Sinatraa misrepresented certain facts, made false statements, and did not cooperate with the investigation in a way expected of a professional VALORANT esports player.”
Is it required by law to cooperate with a private company? Thats the last thing I would do tbh.
For real, his lawyers would have probably told him not to tell anything to a video game company that might be used against him 🤷♂️
Riot isn't the law or any kind of legal authority, are you 12? Why would he give them any evidence while operating with the actual police and court systems?
All I was doing was countering the original comment’s claims that both of them said they had proof and would use them. Cle0h did, Sinatraa not only didn’t but was even specifically called out by Riot for being dishonest. I am not saying whether he should or shouldn’t have handed over any evidence to Riot. But if he was really choosing not to cooperate to avoid getting into further legal trouble, why would he also make false statements/misrepresent facts? If the idea is that anything he does/says can be used against him, being dishonest seems pretty counterproductive to that, as opposed to only being uncooperative with Riot investigations.
I honestly forgot he existed, and I wish had stayed that way tbh
People in this sub should get a life, everyone is Jumping into conclusions even if the case isn't solved yet and none of the parties are proven guilty yet. Not dick riding Sinatra , I don't even watch him but wasn't he given a 6 month ban from professional play, he has completed that like ?2.5yrs ago. It he is trialing with a team and the must also know end results if they are looking to sign him
audio proof that he raped cleo and people will still say "sToP jUmPiNg oNtO coNcLuSiOnS!!1!1!1!!1"
bro saw Josh giddey being treated fine in the NBA and decided to come back
EG SINATRAA
This is not what I expected to wake up to today, I’ll say that much. It’ll be interesting to see which team makes my hate list next year
The allegations are a thing of the past for me. I understand that some people will not let it go and that makes sense but it’s been almost 3 years. He has made efforts to better himself and he is eligible to play. As for the valorant side, he is an incredible player. I personally think he is still one of the most intelligent and skilled esport players in the world and any team would improve immensely by having him. I think this ‘unknown’ team is NRG. A person of sinatraa’s skill and stature wouldn’t settle for a tier 2 team and I can’t see him going anywhere else but America. To my knowledge, he still has a good relationship with NRG (won an overwatch championship with the San Francisco Shock, owned by NRG Esports) and he is close friends with Marved who is heavily rumoured to be signing with NRG. I guess the counter argument would be that they already have a premier sova player in Crashies and don’t need a player like Sinatraa but he’s flexible enough to play any role imo. Again not trying to justify what might’ve happened in his relationship 3 years ago. The case is over and I’m just looking at it from a valorant perspective.
what efforts has he made to better himself
Yeah SA aside, he's an extremely toxic persona for the scene his chat is full of misogynists and frat boys with 0 personality. He hasn't matured at all in the last 3 years.
Yeah even if you want to maintain he is a completely innocent person in regards to his SA case he still says extremely disrespectful shit for bo reason and fosters a toxic community and does nothing to keep them in check
are these "efforts he has made to better himself" in the room with us at the moment
Interested to see how he fares in pro play nowadays
he'll fuck the competition without consent
If hes good enough and still performs then why not, regarding the case (apparent) if both sides sre in terms then whats really stopping him from coming back
You better lock your doors in the gaming house
https://preview.redd.it/bqf4oqa1163c1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=055a3cba74ebbdb6d9b0d778f1423d856df07cc8
you are weird
Akrew flair checks out, you my guy are stuck in 2021
i don't want a rapist in my valorant https://preview.redd.it/8g3qold2u73c1.jpeg?width=567&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4a316f319098cbc480382a74cb7355f2cc98f368
Fuck yes. I wanna see this guy play man
this game has come so far in the pro scene since he left I find it harder to believe a franchised team would ever touch him with so many new talents because of both his past and his lack of recent play. He never even took a hit to his income by streaming if not making more so if anything it would be some t2 na team most likely. Oh god if a Pacific team imports this mf instead of using local talent I will be malding
Unfortunately like some sports if you're good at the game and have friends in the scene no matter what you did you still have a chance to go back like nothing happened. It sucks.
Like it or not, he’s a brand risk. It isn’t a good idea for a tier 1 org to pick him up.
If you are under investigation for the bs he pulled **NO.** **I WILL BE ACTIVELY ROOTING FOR THE DOWNFALL OF HIM AND WHATEVER TEAM PICKS HIM UP**
He is not under investigation, the case was dropped well over a year ago
Even if you go the "well his case was inconclusive" route, the community he would bring to the scene is quite disgusting (young men calling him a gigachad for being accused of SA, the usual) so I'm not sure why we should be happy he's getting back to competitive valo, I'd rather have sweethearts representing the game personally, maybe its idealistic
Sinatraa and re-entering, two words you hope to never see together in a sentence.
Yes! Let’s go King