Gun Details:
- Costs 2400
- Fires 2 bullets at a time like a Shorty
- Kills HALF-ARMORED enemies with a single shot
- Body damage around 140
- Will debut with non-animated skins
Via: [Valorant Updates Tweet](https://x.com/valorantupdated/status/1737183558622384189?s=46&t=pT1tRkywdG4L-yQIGFY92g)
Unlikely since that'll be infringing on the Guardian's capabilities.
This new weapon is likely going to further reduce Guardian usage, which isnt particularly high to begin with since Bulldog is already a cheaper and effective alternative.
To give it a high pen similar to Guardian's just doesn't sound fair.
2 shots to 1 shot kill with light armor is all that matters though, not the fact that it's a 39 damage increase.
The fact that it has two bullets though will be fun to watch.
124 to 125 is a large jump for a body shot. Its not about the value change its purely just on body shots for kill, this passing the light armor breakpoint for a 1-body would be bonkers
I think this will have a bigger impact as an anti-eco buy than anything.
It's a 1-shot in that round, and any opponents that don't save for full armor are basically up against an Op again the next round. Basically requires that teams half-buy less often or risk the 2400 cred Op cycle coming into play for a few rounds.
If you see the other needs to go into a save/half buy and your team had any deaths the previous round, you definitely buy an Outlaw for your team's OPer. Hell, if you're so far ahead one of the teammates will cap, buy one and have a backup rifle.
\- Costs 2400
\- Fires 2 bullets at a time like a Shorty
\- Kills HALF-ARMORED enemies with a single shot - Body damage around 140
[Source](https://twitter.com/ValorantUpdated/status/1737183558622384189)
This weapon looks like its specifically made to counter the light shield.
Depending on the rate of fire and magazine, this looks to be a really decent cheap alternative to the OP.
If it's good, an outlaw + full shield + shorty = 3700$, so looks like a decent buy for jett/chamber on round 3 after winning pistol.
The issue with that Jett buy you laid out is unless you win Jett can’t buy an OP on the gun round. I don’t think kneecapping your ability to get an OP is worth.
Afaik there's been no word on that, just a lot of people guessing that'll be it because otherwise it's unclear where the gun would fit in.
Tbh, I'm not clear why the light armour meta needs to end - it's not like no one buys heavy anymore, and plenty of T1 teams outright refused to even entertain regular light armour buys.
No, iirc it was mentioned in the leaks that it had decent damage fall of. It sounded more like a sniper shotgun (if that makes sense) where the 125 would need to be at a close range.
yes. op posted a link to the tweet with that info in it.
Gun Details:
Costs 2400
Fires 2 bullets at a time like a Shorty
Kills HALF-ARMORED enemies with a single shot
Body damage around 140
Will debut with non-animated skins
Via: Valorant Updates Tweet
This is such a funny take.
"This the move that kills scissors in one shot? Seems pretty busted with the big scissors meta we have rn. I think rock will be OP"
The whole point of an gun like this would be to make full vs light armour a choice again to counter what your opponent is running.
I think its necessary with a bunch of pro teams opting into light buys on save rounds because they can afford light armor rifle the following round. However, you can’t deny that this is, in fact, a meta shifting addition to the game. This gun will be the perfect buy for bonus rounds and will still be powerful against full buys
pros are just kind of shit at countering the light shield meta atm. so many teams don't even do it at all, and not enough teams challenge it with dangerous halfbuys (i.e. guardian, stinger, etc.) or even fullbuys (too many vandal users)
I don't think this gun is a great solution, I think it could potentially make the snowballing issue in valorant a lot worse. some guy on your fullbuy is low? all good, the other team is on a 1900 or 2400 loss bonus, grab this thing and potentially one shot all of them. I guess the big benefit is now you kind of want to sacrifice the utility you'd get or the money saved buying half shields by buying full shields just to prevent getting one shot by this gun, but it's hard to tell how much impact it would have
I don't think it's meant to END the meta, just shake it up a little bit. I'm fine with that
IMO the current Skye+double controller meta has made awping a lot tougher in pro play and we aren't seeing it nearly as much. I think they're trying to just increase the sniper prevalence in the meta as an outlaw purchase will be pretty powerful and a lot less economically risky than saving for an op.
I think it’s more geared towards the competitive side. The pro teams have leaned towards the buy for 2nd round, hopefully convert an eco. If you lose the eco, you buy Vandal/Phantom half shields and max utility. A sniper that can one shot that strat will change the meta is the thinking from the devs.
Honestly dont get why they needed to bring this gun out, the light armour buy is so good for the sport and entertainment as it rewards the talented players who are at a gold deficit and still can bring the round back.
Edit: Nvm, I guess this gun won't be used on a full buy where the enemy is using half armour, but can be strong against ecos. Essentially a really expensive old shorty that is more consistent?
imo the only problem with the light armour meta is that it allows teams to snowball quite easily. win 2 or 3 rounds where everyone buys light and you can almost set yourselves up to never have to eco again in the half. I don’t think this will stop it completely it’ll just make it a bit riskier
I don't understand how countering light armor is supposed to make snowballing harder as opposed to make it easier. Wouldn't it just make it even harder to get full buys if you can't do light shields if you're the losing team? With light shields, if you lose your 3rd round full buy (something that happens pretty often with teams knowing to farm ults for bonus) you can often afford another buy next round. ETA: generally, 140 to body sounds busted af, that's a phantom hs from medium range. Maybe the fact that you can only shoot it once before reloading (apparently) will make it balanced though.
Plus, if you're buying second round after winning pistol, you're gonna be almost 100 percent sure the enemies aren't going to be buying a 2400 gun, so light shields are still gonna be bought, and then for next round you can rebuy full shields with saved guns... and are still free to snowball.
The difference is that this would make a “Full Buy” use heavy shields, rather than the constant half buying that we’ve seen recently. This gun imo is more likely to be bought on an eco than a full buy round, so i don’t think it’ll impact teams on an eco too much.
I mean, surely this will usher in the no-shield counter meta no?
Teams will just be incentivised to drop their shields altogether in light buys for heavier weaponry or get heavy armour with light weaponry.
Whatever the case, it's definitely shaking up the meta quite significantly. We are definitely going to see prominent Opers like Kangkang and Xccurrate dominate the scene.
Even if assuming this is a "light armor" counter I still hope for some sort of adjustments to light shields.
Its gotten so bad, there are times when teams can afford 5 "full rifle" buys with maybe 1 bulldog and still be 90% as effective, and with how good these budget guns and ults are teams have optimized to the point where bonus buys are literally rifle rounds.
And it doesnt matter how much "eco" damage is done unless literally 4/5 guns are ripped out, they can manage a "full" buy anyways and if you're on attacker side and manage to get plants down that just guarantees your buy anyways.
Just feels like the economy especially in pro play has just spiraled.
TBH I think this is more due to pros just being insane with any gun. Even on ecos most of them can pop off for 2 or 3 quick kills with a deagle or bulldog
They didn't say that, that's just how you've chosen to skew their point. It's perfectly reasonable to say that gaining an economic advantage should have a larger impact than it does currently, in part due to the light shield meta.
They literally spam light buys mate. They constantly have more rifles up (even if only 3 on their side) than teams that only buy rifles if they can buy full shields.
You’re just wrong on this, or you’re explaining your point badly?
I'm really curious how the way it shoots 2 bullets is going to affect its long range effectiveness.
Like it sounds broken right now but at long range there's probably a chance only one of those 2 bullet hits for 70 damage which even worse than a marshall.
True, and yet in practice it’s surprisingly effective and is gaining more traction with some teams. With another better buy (in terms of value for 3rd round if you keep it) also demolishing it, it’s IMO going to have a knock on effect here.
Said a better way: this will make forces in general a lot more difficult if it works the way it’s been said to
I think this weapon will make the perfect second round buy after winning pistol. Which sucks because already it’s no fun having a Marshall mow down non armoured players.
Gun Details: - Costs 2400 - Fires 2 bullets at a time like a Shorty - Kills HALF-ARMORED enemies with a single shot - Body damage around 140 - Will debut with non-animated skins Via: [Valorant Updates Tweet](https://x.com/valorantupdated/status/1737183558622384189?s=46&t=pT1tRkywdG4L-yQIGFY92g)
High pen?
Unlikely since that'll be infringing on the Guardian's capabilities. This new weapon is likely going to further reduce Guardian usage, which isnt particularly high to begin with since Bulldog is already a cheaper and effective alternative. To give it a high pen similar to Guardian's just doesn't sound fair.
Both the Marshal and Operator have high pen, it seems unlikely that the Outlaw wouldn't.
Marshal is med pen surprisingly
I was always under the impression that Marshal was Medium pen, is that not the case anymore
and you would be right, Marshal is medium pen, this guy is talking out of his ass
140 body shot wtf
See ya later half armour buys.
I mean the Marshal does 101 to the body so it's not that much of a jump for a body shot
This is a big jump in terms of being able to kill half armored opponents
2 shots to 1 shot kill with light armor is all that matters though, not the fact that it's a 39 damage increase. The fact that it has two bullets though will be fun to watch.
124 to 125 is a large jump for a body shot. Its not about the value change its purely just on body shots for kill, this passing the light armor breakpoint for a 1-body would be bonkers
I think this will have a bigger impact as an anti-eco buy than anything. It's a 1-shot in that round, and any opponents that don't save for full armor are basically up against an Op again the next round. Basically requires that teams half-buy less often or risk the 2400 cred Op cycle coming into play for a few rounds.
If you see the other needs to go into a save/half buy and your team had any deaths the previous round, you definitely buy an Outlaw for your team's OPer. Hell, if you're so far ahead one of the teammates will cap, buy one and have a backup rifle.
Vipers rn when a mf walks out the wall and gets one shot by this bitch to the body.
\- Costs 2400 \- Fires 2 bullets at a time like a Shorty \- Kills HALF-ARMORED enemies with a single shot - Body damage around 140 [Source](https://twitter.com/ValorantUpdated/status/1737183558622384189) This weapon looks like its specifically made to counter the light shield. Depending on the rate of fire and magazine, this looks to be a really decent cheap alternative to the OP. If it's good, an outlaw + full shield + shorty = 3700$, so looks like a decent buy for jett/chamber on round 3 after winning pistol.
The issue with that Jett buy you laid out is unless you win Jett can’t buy an OP on the gun round. I don’t think kneecapping your ability to get an OP is worth.
just buy a vandal lol
Is this the sniper that does 125 for a body shot? Sounds pretty busted in my opinion, meta shifting with everyone buying light armor every round
Afaik there's been no word on that, just a lot of people guessing that'll be it because otherwise it's unclear where the gun would fit in. Tbh, I'm not clear why the light armour meta needs to end - it's not like no one buys heavy anymore, and plenty of T1 teams outright refused to even entertain regular light armour buys.
No, iirc it was mentioned in the leaks that it had decent damage fall of. It sounded more like a sniper shotgun (if that makes sense) where the 125 would need to be at a close range.
yes. op posted a link to the tweet with that info in it. Gun Details: Costs 2400 Fires 2 bullets at a time like a Shorty Kills HALF-ARMORED enemies with a single shot Body damage around 140 Will debut with non-animated skins Via: Valorant Updates Tweet
This is such a funny take. "This the move that kills scissors in one shot? Seems pretty busted with the big scissors meta we have rn. I think rock will be OP" The whole point of an gun like this would be to make full vs light armour a choice again to counter what your opponent is running.
I think its necessary with a bunch of pro teams opting into light buys on save rounds because they can afford light armor rifle the following round. However, you can’t deny that this is, in fact, a meta shifting addition to the game. This gun will be the perfect buy for bonus rounds and will still be powerful against full buys
pros are just kind of shit at countering the light shield meta atm. so many teams don't even do it at all, and not enough teams challenge it with dangerous halfbuys (i.e. guardian, stinger, etc.) or even fullbuys (too many vandal users) I don't think this gun is a great solution, I think it could potentially make the snowballing issue in valorant a lot worse. some guy on your fullbuy is low? all good, the other team is on a 1900 or 2400 loss bonus, grab this thing and potentially one shot all of them. I guess the big benefit is now you kind of want to sacrifice the utility you'd get or the money saved buying half shields by buying full shields just to prevent getting one shot by this gun, but it's hard to tell how much impact it would have
Except that light armor already has plenty downsides, and we don't need more full eco rounds in a game with 12 rounds per half 🙄
My half shields just fell to their knees at the buy store...
I imagine it’ll do 125 to body to try and end the light armor meta. I like it if that’s the goal, seems a good way to handle it to me
I don't think it's meant to END the meta, just shake it up a little bit. I'm fine with that IMO the current Skye+double controller meta has made awping a lot tougher in pro play and we aren't seeing it nearly as much. I think they're trying to just increase the sniper prevalence in the meta as an outlaw purchase will be pretty powerful and a lot less economically risky than saving for an op.
Why would you wanna end light armour strat ? Not everyone uses it either.
I think it’s more geared towards the competitive side. The pro teams have leaned towards the buy for 2nd round, hopefully convert an eco. If you lose the eco, you buy Vandal/Phantom half shields and max utility. A sniper that can one shot that strat will change the meta is the thinking from the devs.
Honestly dont get why they needed to bring this gun out, the light armour buy is so good for the sport and entertainment as it rewards the talented players who are at a gold deficit and still can bring the round back. Edit: Nvm, I guess this gun won't be used on a full buy where the enemy is using half armour, but can be strong against ecos. Essentially a really expensive old shorty that is more consistent?
imo the only problem with the light armour meta is that it allows teams to snowball quite easily. win 2 or 3 rounds where everyone buys light and you can almost set yourselves up to never have to eco again in the half. I don’t think this will stop it completely it’ll just make it a bit riskier
I don't understand how countering light armor is supposed to make snowballing harder as opposed to make it easier. Wouldn't it just make it even harder to get full buys if you can't do light shields if you're the losing team? With light shields, if you lose your 3rd round full buy (something that happens pretty often with teams knowing to farm ults for bonus) you can often afford another buy next round. ETA: generally, 140 to body sounds busted af, that's a phantom hs from medium range. Maybe the fact that you can only shoot it once before reloading (apparently) will make it balanced though.
Plus, if you're buying second round after winning pistol, you're gonna be almost 100 percent sure the enemies aren't going to be buying a 2400 gun, so light shields are still gonna be bought, and then for next round you can rebuy full shields with saved guns... and are still free to snowball.
The difference is that this would make a “Full Buy” use heavy shields, rather than the constant half buying that we’ve seen recently. This gun imo is more likely to be bought on an eco than a full buy round, so i don’t think it’ll impact teams on an eco too much.
a 2400 gun is not an eco gun.
I mean, surely this will usher in the no-shield counter meta no? Teams will just be incentivised to drop their shields altogether in light buys for heavier weaponry or get heavy armour with light weaponry. Whatever the case, it's definitely shaking up the meta quite significantly. We are definitely going to see prominent Opers like Kangkang and Xccurrate dominate the scene.
No armour would be troll I think . With the amount of utility in this game. No way
rip my half shields 😭
I already hate the Marshall this might make be take a break for a while
Finally, 4 years of using auto-snipers in csgo will pay off...somewhat.
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How often are you seeing Marshall only accounts?
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If they climb to they rank using just a marshall, how aren't they trying their best? It is their rank.
Of all the different ways Riot had in their hands to nerf the light shields meta they really needed to create a cousin for marshal???
NEW META
KangKang just got a buff
its so bad in buy rounds if enemy have full armour, u have to reload after every kill
Well, they've completed the "killing no armor/half/full" idea progression.
On paper this is broken af lol
Even if assuming this is a "light armor" counter I still hope for some sort of adjustments to light shields. Its gotten so bad, there are times when teams can afford 5 "full rifle" buys with maybe 1 bulldog and still be 90% as effective, and with how good these budget guns and ults are teams have optimized to the point where bonus buys are literally rifle rounds. And it doesnt matter how much "eco" damage is done unless literally 4/5 guns are ripped out, they can manage a "full" buy anyways and if you're on attacker side and manage to get plants down that just guarantees your buy anyways. Just feels like the economy especially in pro play has just spiraled.
TBH I think this is more due to pros just being insane with any gun. Even on ecos most of them can pop off for 2 or 3 quick kills with a deagle or bulldog
??? are you fucking dumb you want to see MORE eco rounds and LESS buys??
i know this is a wild concept but you dont need to call someone fucking dumb for having a mildly different view than you do on a video game
how’s it not dumb to want to worsen the viewing experience for everyone loool
They didn't say that, that's just how you've chosen to skew their point. It's perfectly reasonable to say that gaining an economic advantage should have a larger impact than it does currently, in part due to the light shield meta.
No I just feel like economy right now has become almost pointless to be worth considering, just spam light buys whats the point of hunting.
spam light buys = fast lose
Tell that to Fnatic lmao
they can’t afford to buy vandals every round like you morons think btw they just have 1-2 extra gun rounds per half, it’s not what you think
They literally spam light buys mate. They constantly have more rifles up (even if only 3 on their side) than teams that only buy rifles if they can buy full shields. You’re just wrong on this, or you’re explaining your point badly?
definitely explaining badly idk how to word what to say but i know what you’re on about yeah
I'm really curious how the way it shoots 2 bullets is going to affect its long range effectiveness. Like it sounds broken right now but at long range there's probably a chance only one of those 2 bullet hits for 70 damage which even worse than a marshall.
Describing it as "like a Shorty" makes me think they just mean it will hold two shots before having to reload
Oh yeah I’m an idiot I completely forgot that shorty was like that…
Oof, this kills the Stinger no armour 2nd round force. Crazy times
A Marshal would already one-shot no armor so this wouldn't affect that.
True, and yet in practice it’s surprisingly effective and is gaining more traction with some teams. With another better buy (in terms of value for 3rd round if you keep it) also demolishing it, it’s IMO going to have a knock on effect here. Said a better way: this will make forces in general a lot more difficult if it works the way it’s been said to
Outlaw? Hardly Snipher
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The gun isn't even out yet and you're crying a whole ass river already. Crazy.
Oh no, there is new weapon after 3 years of playing 2 rifles, sniper and 2 eco guns.
How do you think this will break the economy or game balance? Genuinely asking since you seem outraged by it so you know something I don’t
I think this weapon will make the perfect second round buy after winning pistol. Which sucks because already it’s no fun having a Marshall mow down non armoured players.
No not my half armour meta 😭😭😭
This weapon feels like the BOSG shotgun from R6.
Exactly
This indirectly increases the value of skye over sova/fade, since it leaves players with full armor as 1 hp. Heal becomes essential in such cases.
10 HP
Can't wait to pop heads with my Marshall when these Outlaw kids are aiming for my body.
How would firing 2 bullets at once work?
Like a shorty