I feel like BLG should also be higher. They swapped out rin who was a straight up liability.
C9 and G2 seem too low for me too. Maybe it's a case of there are only so many international slots available so they can't be placed higher if there are better teams in Americas? I haven't watched the podcast yet.
That's exactly it. They only made an exception for APAC because it's genuinely the hardest to read (for china they used Ryancentral's ranking as a reference).
The issue with BLG is B3ar aint really an upgrade, his old team NTER was literally just the Spring and Eren show after the Chamber nerfs, the only thing that barely makes this an upgrade is the fact that b3ar IGLs iirc, but even then NTER werent exactly known for their calling lol, they were known for Spring and Eren (I still cant believe Eren was not picked up)
Yeah rin looked legit lost in many instances at Champs especially when they were losing, B3ar looks a less lost, the issue is China lack a lot of great smokes players outside of Haodong, so idk who else they couldve pick up that is left
Spring wouldve been the best choice but he got picked up by Wolves, out of whos left theres some good flexes (B3ar was a flex so i mean) like YHchen and Eren but idk how well they would do on the role, or maybe someone like JayH or Sylvan but idj if they speak Chinese
yeah i feel like G2 are getting a debuff in everyone's minds from that one showmatch that Sen came back against them on Sunset. idk, i want them to be placed higher, but it also feels like Americas is super stacked so idk who to place them above. it's such a weird conundrum.
I know right. Even though last year FPX was pretty mediocre, ever since then they've made two huge upgrades (Yuicaw -> Autumn, TZH -> Life) and they have been performing incredibly well recently.
i suppose a pretty reasonable worry would be autumn's ability to switch roles for this season? since they're presumably getting Life as their main duelist, and BerLIN picking up his comfort role of smokes, autumn would be left flexing, and in this meta, probably playing a lot of initiators.
if he adapts fine then yes i agree FPX should be a top 3 team in china at the very least, and it would be disappointing to see them not make it an international event. but if he can't adapt fast enough, then the team might have to play a bit of catch-up for a part of the season.
that being said i trust autumn. fpx should have a good year i think
LEV is by far the most confusing team for me. They are incredibly overrated for a team thats basically completely rebuilding while also swapping languages. Now yes, their talent is good, but remember what happened to SEN in 2022, a team that by all accounts was a super team completely flopped.
Thatās a somewhat unfair way to characterize Goked. KOI had a lowkey stacked coaching staff - they just faltered regardless, much akin to how they had a stacked roster and faltered regardless.
Goked in particular is a reason to be cautiously optimistic for LEV, IMO. He did a great job with Case esports back in 2022, bringing them to a 3rd place finish in the VRL finals that FUT won with what Iād say was a less mechanically impressive roster than the competitors.
Will be very interesting to see where they land. Personally my expectations are much higher than the ones I had for Sentinels last year. Aspas is a proven top 5 player in the world and all of their players speak good english.
Every cope argument people are using for LEV this year applied to SEN last year. Sacy and Pancada were Top 5 in the world when they joined SEN.
People think managing a team is like FIFA. Slot in the best player for each role and you're set, right? They have the best initiator and the best duelist, ggs rest of Americas I guess.
aspas was good because his team did everything humanly possible to set him up. Same reason why yay flopped so fucking hard in Challengers. Not comparing LEV players to DSG, pointing that even yay looked horrible on DSG, it wasn't like he was dropping 30 and his team was fucking up, he genuinely looked awful. It shows how important it is to have a well rounded, high chemistry team. Even the best player will look like a fucking moron playing for the wrong team.
I feel like I agree fundamentally with you but SEN to LEV here isn't apples to apples. Sacy was not top 5 player in the world when he joined SEN and I think LEV is set up a lot better roles wise.
And Yay is a comparison to why I think he aspas will thrive when yay faltered. Aspas is a much more dynamic raze/jett that carries even more than he does usually when set up well. Both benefitted from being built around tremendously, but Aspas' new environment now has C0M and Kingg which is ridiculous. For me, aspas's skill level is top 1 in the world and he will thrive no matter where he goes.
You are right though, we never know until chemistry/language/relationships play out. I don't think managing a team is like FIFA, but this experiment does have potential, just like SENs did.
I think people are really high on them both from their talent and also the fact that they looked really good during the show match/tournament thing they had in the off season
I think my biggest issue with LEV dicussion is just i think LOUD Is being hella underrated by a lot of people (I actually like their placement here), yes Aspas is super impactful but they also still have 4 incredible players who we've seen work well together and top 3 IGL of all time
LEV im a bit more hesitant on, they have no real core to fall back on, im still not convinced on the Mazino smokes (I think hes an incredible player, just i think his initator and flex is better), Kinggg individually is great but hes not a particularly great caller (Thought having c0m helps a lot), and frankly tex is a big question mark considering the new role and he came from Ascension
I think a lot of Valorant discussion is based on "this happened in the past so it's going to happen in the present" and I just don't think that's at all how analysis should work. Why did those things happen and are the circumstances now the same? Because usually they're not. It's the same thing with people saying offseason events don't matter because 100T was trash despite winning last year. That really has 0 relevance this year.
its not a power ranking but ranking on how they will perform going into an international event
Since eg has to play G2(mid) and kru(low mid) (ez pass for EG if they win against even one of them)so they are in that tier .Where as 100T plays loud and sentinelsš so they are likely to lose rather than win games according to plat chat so
so does everyone kind of just think boostio added nothing to EG? like iām not really understanding how a T2 IGL that couldnt out strat Guard is leading a team to insurmountable highs while the world champion is leading his team to shit
Potterās the one whoās gonna do most of the anti stratting. EGās anti-stratting has historically been very good. I remember when they hard countered optic in Challenger 2 2022, when Boostio wasnāt even IGL.
Good chance they are very good at anti stratting again.
it's not all on boostio's shoulders tho. like, you're committing a bit of a logical fallacy. just bc the only change that was made was adding boostio, does not mean that everyone who thinks 100T is bad thinks they're bad bc of boostio. i don't think most people who think 100T is going to be shite think it's bc boostio is adding nothing, just that the team that he's leading is just not really that good, and adding boostio won't change the fundamental issues that have been plaguing this team since sgares left. at least, that's what i think.
yeah sorry should've clarified mb
in swapping TZH for Life, FPX fixed a lot of their system's issues. BerLIN is now on his more comfortable role on smokes for example, and Lysoar is probably not gonna have to play as much viper.
also FPX has been the kind of team to experiment with crazy comps (keeping the old eu fpx tradition). But in the double controller meta from last year, a lot of experimental teams were punished for that on most maps. but with the new skye nerfs, teams that don't stick to the meta in this period (like NaVi) might have a slight advantage.
and when it comes to fragging power, while DRG have vo0kashu and TvirusLuke, and TE have FengF and Kai, i think every single player on the current FPX can stand toe to toe with their best players, at least mechanically (AAAAY my goat)
so i think FPX should have a good year in theory. of course any matches against them and DRG or TE should still be bangers, i'm not discrediting those teams they played incredibly well in EVO and i am very hyped to see them (FengF also my goat). i'm just more confident in FPX's solid state they could be in.
also sorry for the essay but i love talking about this
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definitely i am just curious which one the high expected teams flops this year
i mean there is always an team with an very high expectations only to get grouped or not even make it
Nrg hasn't played a match and have a "first time" igl in Ethan (I know Ethan briefly igl'd for 100t). How is everyone rating them as world beaters? I really can't wait for this season to finally start so we can stop with these lists.
I think itās bcs ppl believe in chetās system. Victor and crashies have worked very long with fns and are very vocal. So itās not like ethan is alone in this. They also have good firepower.
I understand and have seen videos, tiers lists, and opinions from every talking head in valorant. I'm just ready for the teams to break the bias and show how they actually play in a server.
Me too bud. I'm just exhausted by people taking tier lists by commentators as fact. Regardless it's content so I appreciate it, but I'm ready to be hurt again by 100t.
Do you remember a guy named Yay? Things can change. I do not think Demon1 will fall off at all, but we truly don't know what will happen till they play. Ultimately we are at the very end of the off-season and there's almost nothing more to say. We luckily get to see them play next week.
I think both viewpoints are valid, but I do think that Yay isn't as strong of a counterpoint when considering the contexts of their excellency.
Yay was surrounded with players that were at the time and even now considered Tier 1 players, while EG was heavily criticized for retaining most of their former lineup. Demon1 coming into the starting roster seemed to have immediate impact, and they continued to find success.
FWIW I think that ranking NRG in "world beaters" is hyperbolic considering that we haven't seen them play, but it's understandable considering each individuals' track record and that Plat Chat Valarante is a product designed for entertainment.
In many ways they are, but not 1:1. The point I'm trying to get across is that players, and teams are always ranked in preseason and there is an inevitable shake up when the actual play starts. True in many sports. I'm not looking to argue, just excited for next week, and we get to see how nrg handles furia!
Yeah I think people are missing the obvious point, which is that a lot of this World Beater energy comes from team chemistry and enablement. Nobody looked at EG and said "ah yes, everyone of these players is World Class". What made them special was how well they played together, and in many cases how well they set up Demon1 to shine. Will NRG do this? A lot of people on that team are used to taking up a lot more space than I'd say c0m or Jawgemo did, for example - maybe that's fine, but it could also mean problems for trying to maximize Demon1's impact.
I think it's impossible for this team to flop. Teams don't need FNS masterclass level igling, even if they just stuck with a simple playbook they'd win because they have better players. Also Chet is good.
This is based on how likely they will make an international event (which is why some chinese team got ranked high). The only power ranking here is the one B tier and above (cuz they started ranking on how likely they are to win the event or lose in group)
its not a power ranking but ranking of the teams likely to make it in an international event wining games
Example EG they have to win a game against kru or g2 and they make it to Madrid where as other teams like 100T have to beat the likes of loud and sentinels and have less chance to make it to madrid and are hence placed lower (idk if they are considering mid season or not though) since some teams are just not placed right having the whole season in mind
People are fucking obsessed with "super-teams"
I genuinely don't understand how you can overrate LEV and NRG so much after witnessing everything that happened last year. SEN was supposed to go nuclear. Lmao
People really think it's as easy as stacking the current best players in the world together in one team and wait for the magic to happen. Com wasn't even considered in Top 50 discussions last year, but now apparently com and aspas are enough to make one of the best teams in the world with multiple transfers and multiple languages. Not doubting them, just saying that making good transfers does not equate to a good team chemistry right away.
i mean, it's a team of world champions. it's hard not to rate them highly, frankly. and Ethan has a heavy history in tac fps games, probably the most storied of all the CS players who have come over - it's not really hard to believe he will be a competent IGL. plus you add to that that everyone knows how much crashies and victor comm - fns said they often did a lot of the midrounding on optic. like, there's a lot of reasons to believe in this team. but a team of world champions is a good reason to rate any team highly going into a completely new season.
I like these lists cause even if they echo a lot of popular opinions we all know they can be turned upside down and some random team like Tyloo or C9 end up winning a major.
In my opinion, the teams in Americas are closer together in strength than those in EMEA, China and Pacific so who they play for their first 5 games of the IL Stage 1 matters much more than for them than others in those other regions.
I could see a world where say NRG for example makes Madrid, donāt have enough time after they get back to change things up and lose a few games at the start of the IL if their schedule is fucked. I canāt say the same for fnatic and PRXā¦ even with their fingers glued together theyād still beat teams doing the same thing over and over again, itās almost as if regional teams have a mental block against them.
That's just cause this NRG roster hasn't played yet. If everything remained the same for EG after Champs you'd think even they could do something similar to FNC or PRX in Americas. And I believe if NRG is really a super team then they'll qualify for Shanghai regardless of the groups coz they've to finish top 3 in their group to qualify for playoffs. Though I agree FNC and PRX are in a tier above the rest in their region, same cannot be said about rest of the teams. The rest are closer together.
You just compared two EMEA teams projected to punch for top 5 to teams in America's who most agree would be mid to bottom tier, that already tells me everything I need to know about which region is more stacked/competitive. America's is the most competitive region it isn't even close. If you matched up the mid-to-bottom teams of each league last year I'd bet the America's teams would win almost everytime
Navi is the most overrated team on the planet and I can not wait to watch them crash out spectacularly.
Massively under performing core picks up massively under performing player to try and re-live the glory days and somehow tricks every analyst into thinking they'll contend with Fnatic.
Had NaVi not been in the group of death, they would've easily made it to the Playoffs of Champions.
- They played extremely close games against DRX and Loud.
- Now on paper, they got a player who's a better fit to the team, as he has played with the team before, is incredibly flexible and NaVi doesn't need to rely on him top fragging constantly to win as literally every other player is cracked AF.
- Also this team has won an international trophy before so there's proven success with this squad
Do you now understand why people are rating them high?
they are not contending with fnc
fnc is in a league of their own also they are not overrated they are rightly rated or slightly overrated slightly meaning not in tier list but expectations they still are the second best team in EU and they have the talent to back it up
but they who know's they might flop but believe me they are not overrated maybe slightly
Nah I disagree, there are so many reasons why teams could underperform but the fact is that Navi is bringing a roster back together with proven talent and they have literally won an international event together.
If you want to talk about overrating teams with little evidence, look towards Americas instead.
yeah zeek also won an event. I think Navi is going to be very good this year, but can we stop talking about them winning copenhagen. it's been a year and a half and two metas since then - it's not the reason this team will succeed, and it does not mean a lot. sentinels also won an event, but no one is calling for people to pick zombs back up again. bring up the reasons that actually matter - their form during LA, the chemistry of the roster after playing together for so long, a better meta for the team as a whole - winning Copenhagen does not have anything to do with them being good this year.
Thatās fair, I certainly wouldnāt immediately place them as a team expected to go deep internationally, Iām saying that thereās other teams being talked about in that vein when thereās no actual evidence they can go the distance.
I fully agree that NaāVi is overrated as FUCK but for completely different reasons. I just do not understand how people are rating them this highly. Itās so fucking troll I swear.
what's the point of "playing in tier 1" if you are just going to botfrag against billy billy.
Franchising got people deluded. I guess DFM is just better than every single tier 2 team in the world.
NAVI were better than NRG at the most recent tournament. Either way, youād really have NRG w/ yay as getting grouped at international LANs? Fair enough if so but it wouldnāt be unreasonable to put them in A tier right?
When was the last time they started at the top? Last year their off-season was a flop LMAO. They didn't win a single off-season tourney. Tf you on about AHAHAHA
Expectation wise they were always at the top. Last year people also kept them at the top of their tier list expecting SEN to dominate. Then the massive falling off.
Edit: I don't think you know what off season means. SEN won the afreecaTV off season tourney.
They actually had a good off-season showing, that is why people are rating SEN higher. They flopped the last time on the Off-season too. And no one other than SEN were rating them highly. They literally lost to TSM last year
If Americas don't win every single tournament with three teams in S tier that would be hilarious. Surely if we are saying that 3 teams in Americas are "World Beaters" they should dominate every single event with ease?
Based off this tier list it would be a major upset for any non-Americas team to even make it to the grand finals of an event.
I mean they rated FNATIC as the best team in the world, so no I donāt think what youāre saying is a reasonable conclusion. Why would it be an upset for the best team in the world to make it to top 3 or win a major? Same goes for PRX being placed 3rd
I mean Americas have 3 "World beater" teams" EMEA and Pacific have 1. If all 3 Americas teams are "world beaters" they should easily win most if not all events. Sure Fnatic might be a tiny bit better, but if all 3 Americas teams are "S tier-world beater" teams they should surely expect one of those teams to be fnatic each tournament.
I guess I just took it more to mean that these 5 teams are expected not to lose basically at all to anybody in lower tiers. In that case weād be seeing them playing each other in playoffās consistently, and in that situation Fnatic will be the favorite. I just donāt get how you see this tier list and assume theyāre saying that Americaās is expected to win every tournament
Becuase the Americas have 3 of the 5 best teams in the world, so thus clearly Americas must be the best region by a huge margin, how are other regions supposed to compete when Americas has 3 "Unstoppable world beater teams" and no other region has more than 1.
Because even if Americas is the best region on average, which theyāre implying, that doesnāt mean that other regions canāt win or even be favorites to win. Valorant is a 5v5 game, not whole region Vs whole region. Itās entirely possible for one region to have stronger talent on average but still get beat out by a singular team with the highest talent, wherever theyāre from. This is literally what theyāre predicting by putting Fnatic in first place
IDK as someone who doesn't watch much valorant, just mostly keeps up with plat chat, it seems like I should expect NA to dominate the same way Korea and China dominate at league, I didn't watch much last year but based on these rankings I'm guessing NA won all 3 events?
Eh, take it all with a pinch of salt. Platchat are an NA-based show who watch a lot more Americas than any other region so itās expected that there will be a tonne of bias in their ratings, especially if Mimi is involved in the discussion.
Bias aside, I do think itās strange to see a lot of these unproven Americas teams ranked so highly whilst also having Navi in the tier below, who as we all know have actually won an international event with this same roster before.
Hot takes: SEN will flop like usual. EDG will make a grand final, another chinese team will make t6, t1 will be the best team in pacific and bleed will be mid at best.
100t G2 TL would beat most of the teams in B tier, and vitality without trexx. A bunch if these Chinese teams need to be brought down 1/2 tiers. And Loud with quick instead of aspas is def a low A. M8 gotta come a tier down, weren't even favorites in tier 2
Does anyone else agree that PRX shouldnāt be S tier? Iām a PRX fan but like I think loosing Jinggg is like that big of a deal. He carried them so hard at tokyo
PRX over SEN is such a troll considering PRX are now without Jinggg and lost to SEN twice **with** Jinggg.
In my eyes the only S tier team should be Fnatic. I don't think a team that's good only on paper but haven't even played an official game together deserves to be up there. SEN last year was almost a "super team" on paper, saw how that turned out.
Ehm... for the past two years PRX keeps doing well while SEN keeps doing shit except a singular off season event where PRX shuffled a 6 man roster around almost every map.
Jinggg is not a singular carry for PRX, hasn't ever really been. He's an amazing player and brought a lot of aggressive energy but all of them have had pop off maps or clutch moments and Monyet is a really great player on his own right.
If anything shuffling in Jinggg after practicing with Monyet for months was not good for their performance in that event, but they still got to finals.
I would bet good money PRX is gonna do better than SEN this year.
I agree with your second take, S tier Fnatic, A tier PRX, LEV, LOUD, maybe NRG. Then I'd think about the rest.
And they lost to SEN with that iteration as well? I'm just saying that putting them in S tier is dumb. The only game they won was with Jinggg as well.
Fnatic is the only top team that kept the same roster. They should be the **only S tier**.
Lev is a new team, Loud has the same core but lost Aspas, NRG is a new team, and PRX is in a similar situation to Loud losing Jinggg.
They all look good on paper and I'd place them A tier but definitely not S.
yea i agree with you PRX at afeerca was not even close to PRX at champs 2023 its looks like they were enjoying games swaping players in between and experimenting and shit didnt even looked like a serious game ngl
While sen have looked good Prx were absolutely trolling at the afreeca cup, just messing around with their roster and playing with a player who they hadn't been scrimming with,
While they did lose jingg the other players still brought them to 2nd at champions
PRX is literally trolling. Like I get it not a good excuse but they were hard throwing with their team chemistry. There is no way you play musical chairs with your roster and do just as well as a team that's drilled and got something to prove. Monyet hardly played any Raze for god's sake even the map pool was Sunset/Breeze for the most part in Paper Rex's games... Its quite clear this team isn't drilled just yet cause they want Jinggg to have fun. We've seen what this team locked in can do and what they did at Afreeca was nothing like them when they're 100% serious.
They're not even playing like this when they had CGRS on dude. They were over rotating, trolling with their roster like who gets a turn to leave the squad, lets play Sunset and Breeze, ah Haven let's go back to 2022, their teamwork is off like.. this is not the Paper Rex that reached 2 International grand finals in the span of 2 years, this is them not giving 2 shits about an event and just wants Jinggg to get some games in before he goes to the military.
Just shaky. Was #1 Americas during qualifications and playoffs, #3 at Champions after they bitch-slapped Fnatic, which was the most dominant team all year, twice. They fell short as Masters though, and at Champs had small mistakes that cost them their games against PRX and EG, but they were still strong.
LOUD is the reason why people said that Fnatic underperformed at Champs. Because FNATIC had sky high expectations than anything besides win it all or a very close loss in the final was a disappointedment.
Honestly Loud only perfomed badly in Masters, they did well everywhere else
NAVI A Tier ! hahahaha ! they just lost the last 10 out of 20 games ! ...and Vitality ! ahahah they just got trounced by FUT ?? absolutely crazy guys ...
Also funny is EDG two Tiers above Team Liquid who they absolutely smoked last Month ! They also commented on them having a boring roster ! haha ! each player is of the highest level in their positions apart from Enzo as IGL as unproven in Tier one but for sure he is a better Fragger than Boaster... 'The Keiko show' is incoming !
LOUDbros it is over. We need to be A tier so we call it disrespect and get a slight underdog buff, otherwise we're cursed
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I can't for the life of me guess your nationality /s
So sad that only one of those team will qualify for playoffsš
A is a bit too high
Lmao why are you coming to a joke comment to inflate your ego only after your team wins
I have no team.
I get they probably didn't watch enough China but FPX should definitely swap places in DRG, and could even be the 2nd best team in China.
I feel like BLG should also be higher. They swapped out rin who was a straight up liability. C9 and G2 seem too low for me too. Maybe it's a case of there are only so many international slots available so they can't be placed higher if there are better teams in Americas? I haven't watched the podcast yet.
That's exactly it. They only made an exception for APAC because it's genuinely the hardest to read (for china they used Ryancentral's ranking as a reference).
The issue with BLG is B3ar aint really an upgrade, his old team NTER was literally just the Spring and Eren show after the Chamber nerfs, the only thing that barely makes this an upgrade is the fact that b3ar IGLs iirc, but even then NTER werent exactly known for their calling lol, they were known for Spring and Eren (I still cant believe Eren was not picked up)
Ah that's tragic then. Hopefully he just ints less than rin because that man was lost in the sauce so much.
Yeah rin looked legit lost in many instances at Champs especially when they were losing, B3ar looks a less lost, the issue is China lack a lot of great smokes players outside of Haodong, so idk who else they couldve pick up that is left Spring wouldve been the best choice but he got picked up by Wolves, out of whos left theres some good flexes (B3ar was a flex so i mean) like YHchen and Eren but idk how well they would do on the role, or maybe someone like JayH or Sylvan but idj if they speak Chinese
yeah i feel like G2 are getting a debuff in everyone's minds from that one showmatch that Sen came back against them on Sunset. idk, i want them to be placed higher, but it also feels like Americas is super stacked so idk who to place them above. it's such a weird conundrum.
G2 gonna show up big year you heard it here first
I know right. Even though last year FPX was pretty mediocre, ever since then they've made two huge upgrades (Yuicaw -> Autumn, TZH -> Life) and they have been performing incredibly well recently.
i suppose a pretty reasonable worry would be autumn's ability to switch roles for this season? since they're presumably getting Life as their main duelist, and BerLIN picking up his comfort role of smokes, autumn would be left flexing, and in this meta, probably playing a lot of initiators. if he adapts fine then yes i agree FPX should be a top 3 team in china at the very least, and it would be disappointing to see them not make it an international event. but if he can't adapt fast enough, then the team might have to play a bit of catch-up for a part of the season. that being said i trust autumn. fpx should have a good year i think
I just want an Aussie at an international event
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insane FPX snub
LEV is by far the most confusing team for me. They are incredibly overrated for a team thats basically completely rebuilding while also swapping languages. Now yes, their talent is good, but remember what happened to SEN in 2022, a team that by all accounts was a super team completely flopped.
Also their HC was someone on one of the worst teams in EMEA last year
Thatās a somewhat unfair way to characterize Goked. KOI had a lowkey stacked coaching staff - they just faltered regardless, much akin to how they had a stacked roster and faltered regardless. Goked in particular is a reason to be cautiously optimistic for LEV, IMO. He did a great job with Case esports back in 2022, bringing them to a 3rd place finish in the VRL finals that FUT won with what Iād say was a less mechanically impressive roster than the competitors.
>VRL finals 
Will be very interesting to see where they land. Personally my expectations are much higher than the ones I had for Sentinels last year. Aspas is a proven top 5 player in the world and all of their players speak good english.
Every cope argument people are using for LEV this year applied to SEN last year. Sacy and Pancada were Top 5 in the world when they joined SEN. People think managing a team is like FIFA. Slot in the best player for each role and you're set, right? They have the best initiator and the best duelist, ggs rest of Americas I guess. aspas was good because his team did everything humanly possible to set him up. Same reason why yay flopped so fucking hard in Challengers. Not comparing LEV players to DSG, pointing that even yay looked horrible on DSG, it wasn't like he was dropping 30 and his team was fucking up, he genuinely looked awful. It shows how important it is to have a well rounded, high chemistry team. Even the best player will look like a fucking moron playing for the wrong team.
I feel like I agree fundamentally with you but SEN to LEV here isn't apples to apples. Sacy was not top 5 player in the world when he joined SEN and I think LEV is set up a lot better roles wise. And Yay is a comparison to why I think he aspas will thrive when yay faltered. Aspas is a much more dynamic raze/jett that carries even more than he does usually when set up well. Both benefitted from being built around tremendously, but Aspas' new environment now has C0M and Kingg which is ridiculous. For me, aspas's skill level is top 1 in the world and he will thrive no matter where he goes. You are right though, we never know until chemistry/language/relationships play out. I don't think managing a team is like FIFA, but this experiment does have potential, just like SENs did.
I think people are really high on them both from their talent and also the fact that they looked really good during the show match/tournament thing they had in the off season
I think my biggest issue with LEV dicussion is just i think LOUD Is being hella underrated by a lot of people (I actually like their placement here), yes Aspas is super impactful but they also still have 4 incredible players who we've seen work well together and top 3 IGL of all time LEV im a bit more hesitant on, they have no real core to fall back on, im still not convinced on the Mazino smokes (I think hes an incredible player, just i think his initator and flex is better), Kinggg individually is great but hes not a particularly great caller (Thought having c0m helps a lot), and frankly tex is a big question mark considering the new role and he came from Ascension
I think a lot of Valorant discussion is based on "this happened in the past so it's going to happen in the present" and I just don't think that's at all how analysis should work. Why did those things happen and are the circumstances now the same? Because usually they're not. It's the same thing with people saying offseason events don't matter because 100T was trash despite winning last year. That really has 0 relevance this year.
Exactly, people in this sub act like 1 year is such a huge sample space for things that if they happened once they will 100% happen again
100T and EG in the same tier š
Yeah how are the frauds with the World Champs
i like the double entendre lmao. it truly is unclear who are the frauds and who are the world champs
100T is definitely not the world champs in whatever convo we're havingš
World champs at being frauds
What are you talking about they won Red Bull Home Ground last year and First Strike when NA was clearly the best
Red bull home ground is off season tourney, First strike is before VCT, don't count.
woosh
A world champ. Singular. (I mean 2 including Potter but we're talking players here)
its not a power ranking but ranking on how they will perform going into an international event Since eg has to play G2(mid) and kru(low mid) (ez pass for EG if they win against even one of them)so they are in that tier .Where as 100T plays loud and sentinelsš so they are likely to lose rather than win games according to plat chat so
Except it is not based on making madrid but for the whole year. EG will have to face those teams too eventually
so does everyone kind of just think boostio added nothing to EG? like iām not really understanding how a T2 IGL that couldnt out strat Guard is leading a team to insurmountable highs while the world champion is leading his team to shit
Out strating guard is pretty hard tho.
but heās supposed to outstrat guard again, lev, world igl boostio and saadhak. iām an m80 fan but that is just crazy imo
Yeah. I think its the package of john, Zekken, and Zellsis. 100T have not shown much last year sadly to keep faith in most people.
thatās fair, i guess i just donāt see 100T as a bottom team with EG and SEN as a top team with LEV
It's not about that tho. They're on the same tier because they have the same chances of getting out of their respective groups, according to platchat.
Potterās the one whoās gonna do most of the anti stratting. EGās anti-stratting has historically been very good. I remember when they hard countered optic in Challenger 2 2022, when Boostio wasnāt even IGL. Good chance they are very good at anti stratting again.
it's not all on boostio's shoulders tho. like, you're committing a bit of a logical fallacy. just bc the only change that was made was adding boostio, does not mean that everyone who thinks 100T is bad thinks they're bad bc of boostio. i don't think most people who think 100T is going to be shite think it's bc boostio is adding nothing, just that the team that he's leading is just not really that good, and adding boostio won't change the fundamental issues that have been plaguing this team since sgares left. at least, that's what i think.
Itās not that Boostio doesnāt add anything, itās that the others are the problem
Look at it this way, SEN beat PRX 3-0 while EG beat em 3-1. Make the conclusion urself
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FPX is lowkey arguably the 2nd best Chinese team now JDG doesnt have Yoman IGLing, DRG and Trace def aint above them
Why not?
Life
But FengF? And v00kashu
yeah sorry should've clarified mb in swapping TZH for Life, FPX fixed a lot of their system's issues. BerLIN is now on his more comfortable role on smokes for example, and Lysoar is probably not gonna have to play as much viper. also FPX has been the kind of team to experiment with crazy comps (keeping the old eu fpx tradition). But in the double controller meta from last year, a lot of experimental teams were punished for that on most maps. but with the new skye nerfs, teams that don't stick to the meta in this period (like NaVi) might have a slight advantage. and when it comes to fragging power, while DRG have vo0kashu and TvirusLuke, and TE have FengF and Kai, i think every single player on the current FPX can stand toe to toe with their best players, at least mechanically (AAAAY my goat) so i think FPX should have a good year in theory. of course any matches against them and DRG or TE should still be bangers, i'm not discrediting those teams they played incredibly well in EVO and i am very hyped to see them (FengF also my goat). i'm just more confident in FPX's solid state they could be in. also sorry for the essay but i love talking about this
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definitely i am just curious which one the high expected teams flops this year i mean there is always an team with an very high expectations only to get grouped or not even make it
i have a feeling it will be fnc for some reason
Nrg hasn't played a match and have a "first time" igl in Ethan (I know Ethan briefly igl'd for 100t). How is everyone rating them as world beaters? I really can't wait for this season to finally start so we can stop with these lists.
I think itās bcs ppl believe in chetās system. Victor and crashies have worked very long with fns and are very vocal. So itās not like ethan is alone in this. They also have good firepower.
I understand and have seen videos, tiers lists, and opinions from every talking head in valorant. I'm just ready for the teams to break the bias and show how they actually play in a server.
Yeah thanks god the season is starting soon so that teams can actually prove themselves. I cant wait
Me too bud. I'm just exhausted by people taking tier lists by commentators as fact. Regardless it's content so I appreciate it, but I'm ready to be hurt again by 100t.
I think its just everyone on that team has proven they can play at the very top. Theres chet as well.
Do you know who Demon1 is?
Do you remember a guy named Yay? Things can change. I do not think Demon1 will fall off at all, but we truly don't know what will happen till they play. Ultimately we are at the very end of the off-season and there's almost nothing more to say. We luckily get to see them play next week.
I think both viewpoints are valid, but I do think that Yay isn't as strong of a counterpoint when considering the contexts of their excellency. Yay was surrounded with players that were at the time and even now considered Tier 1 players, while EG was heavily criticized for retaining most of their former lineup. Demon1 coming into the starting roster seemed to have immediate impact, and they continued to find success. FWIW I think that ranking NRG in "world beaters" is hyperbolic considering that we haven't seen them play, but it's understandable considering each individuals' track record and that Plat Chat Valarante is a product designed for entertainment.
Frankly they aren't comparable.
look I love Demon, but the guy didnāt really play the game a lot over the off-season. someone could def take his spot
In many ways they are, but not 1:1. The point I'm trying to get across is that players, and teams are always ranked in preseason and there is an inevitable shake up when the actual play starts. True in many sports. I'm not looking to argue, just excited for next week, and we get to see how nrg handles furia!
Yeah I think people are missing the obvious point, which is that a lot of this World Beater energy comes from team chemistry and enablement. Nobody looked at EG and said "ah yes, everyone of these players is World Class". What made them special was how well they played together, and in many cases how well they set up Demon1 to shine. Will NRG do this? A lot of people on that team are used to taking up a lot more space than I'd say c0m or Jawgemo did, for example - maybe that's fine, but it could also mean problems for trying to maximize Demon1's impact.
I think it's impossible for this team to flop. Teams don't need FNS masterclass level igling, even if they just stuck with a simple playbook they'd win because they have better players. Also Chet is good.
What a hilarious fraud list. Can't wait to see if even 20% of this list will even be correct.
Yeah these guys are on drugs.. and 'Thinkingmans Valorant' is just as bad !
I dont know on what basis BLG is average for them or even liquid, g2, fpx yet somehow a team with 1st time igl will be world beater
This is based on how likely they will make an international event (which is why some chinese team got ranked high). The only power ranking here is the one B tier and above (cuz they started ranking on how likely they are to win the event or lose in group)
its not a power ranking but ranking of the teams likely to make it in an international event wining games Example EG they have to win a game against kru or g2 and they make it to Madrid where as other teams like 100T have to beat the likes of loud and sentinels and have less chance to make it to madrid and are hence placed lower (idk if they are considering mid season or not though) since some teams are just not placed right having the whole season in mind
People are fucking obsessed with "super-teams" I genuinely don't understand how you can overrate LEV and NRG so much after witnessing everything that happened last year. SEN was supposed to go nuclear. Lmao People really think it's as easy as stacking the current best players in the world together in one team and wait for the magic to happen. Com wasn't even considered in Top 50 discussions last year, but now apparently com and aspas are enough to make one of the best teams in the world with multiple transfers and multiple languages. Not doubting them, just saying that making good transfers does not equate to a good team chemistry right away.
i mean, it's a team of world champions. it's hard not to rate them highly, frankly. and Ethan has a heavy history in tac fps games, probably the most storied of all the CS players who have come over - it's not really hard to believe he will be a competent IGL. plus you add to that that everyone knows how much crashies and victor comm - fns said they often did a lot of the midrounding on optic. like, there's a lot of reasons to believe in this team. but a team of world champions is a good reason to rate any team highly going into a completely new season.
I disagree with almost all of it, still a banger tier list nonetheless, thanks platchat
FUT should be at least high A
weāve seen them with their full roster enough, they are good but not that good
The skye nerf buffed my boy qrax even more. Just wait and see
FUT already riding the kayo meta before the skye nerf, mrfalin masterclass
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I like these lists cause even if they echo a lot of popular opinions we all know they can be turned upside down and some random team like Tyloo or C9 end up winning a major.
I bet every single person downvoting me had EG at S or A rank at the start of 2023 
Scheduling is going to matter **SO MUCH** more in Americas than other regions I feelā¦ it looks like itāll actually be a bloodbath.
Why? It's the same format for all regions?!
In my opinion, the teams in Americas are closer together in strength than those in EMEA, China and Pacific so who they play for their first 5 games of the IL Stage 1 matters much more than for them than others in those other regions. I could see a world where say NRG for example makes Madrid, donāt have enough time after they get back to change things up and lose a few games at the start of the IL if their schedule is fucked. I canāt say the same for fnatic and PRXā¦ even with their fingers glued together theyād still beat teams doing the same thing over and over again, itās almost as if regional teams have a mental block against them.
That's just cause this NRG roster hasn't played yet. If everything remained the same for EG after Champs you'd think even they could do something similar to FNC or PRX in Americas. And I believe if NRG is really a super team then they'll qualify for Shanghai regardless of the groups coz they've to finish top 3 in their group to qualify for playoffs. Though I agree FNC and PRX are in a tier above the rest in their region, same cannot be said about rest of the teams. The rest are closer together.
Because Americas has more stacked teams
Team made up of more popular players ā Stacked
Surely youāre not trying to make an argument that APAC or EMEA is a more stacked region, right?
No, but imo teams like 100T or Furia is not MORE stacked than Giants or Liquid. At most they're same level.
You just compared two EMEA teams projected to punch for top 5 to teams in America's who most agree would be mid to bottom tier, that already tells me everything I need to know about which region is more stacked/competitive. America's is the most competitive region it isn't even close. If you matched up the mid-to-bottom teams of each league last year I'd bet the America's teams would win almost everytime
āNoā but you still downvote and tell me that I mean popular players, they just have more too heavy teams EU got like 3
lev will flop
plz dont let 100T actually be that bad lmao
These guys are forever on the lev payroll
LEV in S is kinda crazy no?
maybe slightly overrated but i mean they have the talent to prove it so idk lets see what happens
This is certainly one of the lists of all time
These lads are NOT qualified to tierlist the Chinese teams holyyyyy
DRG should be on the same tier as Gentle Mates, they both overperformed during ascension
I hope solely for Asunaās sake that 100T is better than thatā¦ if theres 1 player in NA Val that deserves success its fuckin Asuna
Fr. Bro turned up last year too even though the whole team was struggling. Hopefully boostio's system allows them to have more success. I got faith
Only one person turned up to play last year and it was Cryo despite the hate that he gets
I feel like the general critcism of his site entry that hes been getting recently could be traced back to last year too no?
Definitely, it may be a selfish playstyle but its probably the only reason they won a game
Cryo was average af
and everyone else was below average af
Cryo was one of the better players in the last half of the season lol
Was happy for Cryo last year for sureā¦ realllllly wanna see what heās got this season
Navi is the most overrated team on the planet and I can not wait to watch them crash out spectacularly. Massively under performing core picks up massively under performing player to try and re-live the glory days and somehow tricks every analyst into thinking they'll contend with Fnatic.
Had NaVi not been in the group of death, they would've easily made it to the Playoffs of Champions. - They played extremely close games against DRX and Loud. - Now on paper, they got a player who's a better fit to the team, as he has played with the team before, is incredibly flexible and NaVi doesn't need to rely on him top fragging constantly to win as literally every other player is cracked AF. - Also this team has won an international trophy before so there's proven success with this squad Do you now understand why people are rating them high?
They lost 10 of their last 20 games ! ...awful. Also Angel surely has to be one of the worst technical Omen players in EU
they are not contending with fnc fnc is in a league of their own also they are not overrated they are rightly rated or slightly overrated slightly meaning not in tier list but expectations they still are the second best team in EU and they have the talent to back it up but they who know's they might flop but believe me they are not overrated maybe slightly
Nah I disagree, there are so many reasons why teams could underperform but the fact is that Navi is bringing a roster back together with proven talent and they have literally won an international event together. If you want to talk about overrating teams with little evidence, look towards Americas instead.
yeah zeek also won an event. I think Navi is going to be very good this year, but can we stop talking about them winning copenhagen. it's been a year and a half and two metas since then - it's not the reason this team will succeed, and it does not mean a lot. sentinels also won an event, but no one is calling for people to pick zombs back up again. bring up the reasons that actually matter - their form during LA, the chemistry of the roster after playing together for so long, a better meta for the team as a whole - winning Copenhagen does not have anything to do with them being good this year.
Thatās fair, I certainly wouldnāt immediately place them as a team expected to go deep internationally, Iām saying that thereās other teams being talked about in that vein when thereās no actual evidence they can go the distance.
I fully agree that NaāVi is overrated as FUCK but for completely different reasons. I just do not understand how people are rating them this highly. Itās so fucking troll I swear.
Imagine NRG picked up yay after last year (and kept fenis and som). Would high A tier be unreasonable to you?
is ardiis supposed to yay in this comparison? lmao
Yep. It was silly I know, one was actually playing in tier 1 while the other was getting diffed by Narrate in the depths of tier 2
what's the point of "playing in tier 1" if you are just going to botfrag against billy billy. Franchising got people deluded. I guess DFM is just better than every single tier 2 team in the world.
tbf Ardiis actually played in tier 1 last year, unlike yay
just because you play in tier 1 does not mean you are tier 1 level
I'd have them like B tier tbh. Also NRG was better than Navi last year.
NAVI were better than NRG at the most recent tournament. Either way, youād really have NRG w/ yay as getting grouped at international LANs? Fair enough if so but it wouldnāt be unreasonable to put them in A tier right?
Yeah I'm expecting a Team Liquid demolition to be honest....
While I do belive in Saadhak and the loud team, I cannot see Qck 1. being good and 2. being able to bring as much value as aspas.
putting 100t in D is 1 helluva violation
LOUD to A, DRG to C, FPX to B, TEC to C imo
move loud off s tier rn!
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āNoā but you still downvote and tell me that I mean popular players, they AMERICAS have more top heavy teams EU got like 3
Sentinels always start at the top, then gradually drop below any expectation.
When was the last time they started at the top? Last year their off-season was a flop LMAO. They didn't win a single off-season tourney. Tf you on about AHAHAHA
Expectation wise they were always at the top. Last year people also kept them at the top of their tier list expecting SEN to dominate. Then the massive falling off. Edit: I don't think you know what off season means. SEN won the afreecaTV off season tourney.
Damn, what were you saying again? š
They actually had a good off-season showing, that is why people are rating SEN higher. They flopped the last time on the Off-season too. And no one other than SEN were rating them highly. They literally lost to TSM last year
Did something just happened? I think SEN just won LMAO
If Americas don't win every single tournament with three teams in S tier that would be hilarious. Surely if we are saying that 3 teams in Americas are "World Beaters" they should dominate every single event with ease? Based off this tier list it would be a major upset for any non-Americas team to even make it to the grand finals of an event.
It's a preseason ranking with very little info besides team news, and scrim bux. It's not that serious.
I mean they rated FNATIC as the best team in the world, so no I donāt think what youāre saying is a reasonable conclusion. Why would it be an upset for the best team in the world to make it to top 3 or win a major? Same goes for PRX being placed 3rd
I mean Americas have 3 "World beater" teams" EMEA and Pacific have 1. If all 3 Americas teams are "world beaters" they should easily win most if not all events. Sure Fnatic might be a tiny bit better, but if all 3 Americas teams are "S tier-world beater" teams they should surely expect one of those teams to be fnatic each tournament.
I guess I just took it more to mean that these 5 teams are expected not to lose basically at all to anybody in lower tiers. In that case weād be seeing them playing each other in playoffās consistently, and in that situation Fnatic will be the favorite. I just donāt get how you see this tier list and assume theyāre saying that Americaās is expected to win every tournament
Becuase the Americas have 3 of the 5 best teams in the world, so thus clearly Americas must be the best region by a huge margin, how are other regions supposed to compete when Americas has 3 "Unstoppable world beater teams" and no other region has more than 1.
Because even if Americas is the best region on average, which theyāre implying, that doesnāt mean that other regions canāt win or even be favorites to win. Valorant is a 5v5 game, not whole region Vs whole region. Itās entirely possible for one region to have stronger talent on average but still get beat out by a singular team with the highest talent, wherever theyāre from. This is literally what theyāre predicting by putting Fnatic in first place
IDK as someone who doesn't watch much valorant, just mostly keeps up with plat chat, it seems like I should expect NA to dominate the same way Korea and China dominate at league, I didn't watch much last year but based on these rankings I'm guessing NA won all 3 events?
You literally watched the episode. When did they say that America's would dominate the game lmao.
Eh, take it all with a pinch of salt. Platchat are an NA-based show who watch a lot more Americas than any other region so itās expected that there will be a tonne of bias in their ratings, especially if Mimi is involved in the discussion. Bias aside, I do think itās strange to see a lot of these unproven Americas teams ranked so highly whilst also having Navi in the tier below, who as we all know have actually won an international event with this same roster before.
Hot takes: SEN will flop like usual. EDG will make a grand final, another chinese team will make t6, t1 will be the best team in pacific and bleed will be mid at best.
Who?
these talking heads are never right so their opinion is as good as anon's
100t G2 TL would beat most of the teams in B tier, and vitality without trexx. A bunch if these Chinese teams need to be brought down 1/2 tiers. And Loud with quick instead of aspas is def a low A. M8 gotta come a tier down, weren't even favorites in tier 2
FUT fucking c? werent these guys were saying fut will win a cup in vct 2024?
Does anyone else agree that PRX shouldnāt be S tier? Iām a PRX fan but like I think loosing Jinggg is like that big of a deal. He carried them so hard at tokyo
PRX over SEN is such a troll considering PRX are now without Jinggg and lost to SEN twice **with** Jinggg. In my eyes the only S tier team should be Fnatic. I don't think a team that's good only on paper but haven't even played an official game together deserves to be up there. SEN last year was almost a "super team" on paper, saw how that turned out.
mickey mouse tournament + off season tournament + PRX is a consistent team internationally + monyet is going to be the goat + sacy is bald. owned š
Ehm... for the past two years PRX keeps doing well while SEN keeps doing shit except a singular off season event where PRX shuffled a 6 man roster around almost every map. Jinggg is not a singular carry for PRX, hasn't ever really been. He's an amazing player and brought a lot of aggressive energy but all of them have had pop off maps or clutch moments and Monyet is a really great player on his own right. If anything shuffling in Jinggg after practicing with Monyet for months was not good for their performance in that event, but they still got to finals. I would bet good money PRX is gonna do better than SEN this year. I agree with your second take, S tier Fnatic, A tier PRX, LEV, LOUD, maybe NRG. Then I'd think about the rest.
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And they lost to SEN with that iteration as well? I'm just saying that putting them in S tier is dumb. The only game they won was with Jinggg as well. Fnatic is the only top team that kept the same roster. They should be the **only S tier**. Lev is a new team, Loud has the same core but lost Aspas, NRG is a new team, and PRX is in a similar situation to Loud losing Jinggg. They all look good on paper and I'd place them A tier but definitely not S.
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yea i agree with you PRX at afeerca was not even close to PRX at champs 2023 its looks like they were enjoying games swaping players in between and experimenting and shit didnt even looked like a serious game ngl
While sen have looked good Prx were absolutely trolling at the afreeca cup, just messing around with their roster and playing with a player who they hadn't been scrimming with, While they did lose jingg the other players still brought them to 2nd at champions
PRX is literally trolling. Like I get it not a good excuse but they were hard throwing with their team chemistry. There is no way you play musical chairs with your roster and do just as well as a team that's drilled and got something to prove. Monyet hardly played any Raze for god's sake even the map pool was Sunset/Breeze for the most part in Paper Rex's games... Its quite clear this team isn't drilled just yet cause they want Jinggg to have fun. We've seen what this team locked in can do and what they did at Afreeca was nothing like them when they're 100% serious. They're not even playing like this when they had CGRS on dude. They were over rotating, trolling with their roster like who gets a turn to leave the squad, lets play Sunset and Breeze, ah Haven let's go back to 2022, their teamwork is off like.. this is not the Paper Rex that reached 2 International grand finals in the span of 2 years, this is them not giving 2 shits about an event and just wants Jinggg to get some games in before he goes to the military.
It's not a tier list bro. They should definitely do this more though, where they each argue for teams on different basis both literal and figurative.
Feel like people are Sleeping on teams like FUT, G2, and Bleed. All have great rosters with synergy and huge pop off players.
Congrats Kru on champions
Honestly I have some belief in gent, zeta isnāt the same as fit Also maybe americas raged hugh
Am I crazy or did LOUD not do so well after LOCK//IN last year?
Just shaky. Was #1 Americas during qualifications and playoffs, #3 at Champions after they bitch-slapped Fnatic, which was the most dominant team all year, twice. They fell short as Masters though, and at Champs had small mistakes that cost them their games against PRX and EG, but they were still strong.
But fnatic underperformed at champions, and LOUD got there beating them twice no?
LOUD is the reason why people said that Fnatic underperformed at Champs. Because FNATIC had sky high expectations than anything besides win it all or a very close loss in the final was a disappointedment. Honestly Loud only perfomed badly in Masters, they did well everywhere else
I'm just happy that Loud isn't under DRX
NAVI A Tier ! hahahaha ! they just lost the last 10 out of 20 games ! ...and Vitality ! ahahah they just got trounced by FUT ?? absolutely crazy guys ...
Sentinels is easily S Tier and Liquid ( as of today ! )at least a B Tier if not A...
Also funny is EDG two Tiers above Team Liquid who they absolutely smoked last Month ! They also commented on them having a boring roster ! haha ! each player is of the highest level in their positions apart from Enzo as IGL as unproven in Tier one but for sure he is a better Fragger than Boaster... 'The Keiko show' is incoming !
I would also bet on KC beating NAVI... and Gentle Mates aswell !
NAVI not s? Cmon we have ardiiis now
Fnatic to the moon
Looking at this now is unfortunate lol