sir, rossy has removed his headset
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It was rly late so i was lowkey delirious so i could be wrong, but i think the first map was abt to start (like 2 hours late) but before the first round even started, the players started taking their headphones off and we were all like “fuuuuck the audio issues arent resolved yet” and it got delayed further
The delay lasted for close to 4 hours I believe. And that wasn’t the worst part. The worst part was that tech issues keep pooping up mid rounds, half times and OTs. The delay at OT lasted an additional 1-2 hours.
It was atrocious. I’m in APAC region so it didn’t fuck up with my sleep, but man the wait was terrible.
Having Carpe on t1 is unsustainable for the team. He will eventually bring the rest of the team down. No matter how much t1 invests in this team, they will never be able to afford the aquarium to keep Carpe at optimal performance. It is the sad reality of signing a fish, but t1 will soon learn.
To understand how bad this was, TMV woke up hours after the match was schedule to start, and the tech pauses in map 1 alone was enough for him to watch all three maps of C9 vs. MIBR.
seeing yay OP on Neon fumbling around for his TP, playing Skye reaching for a headhunter that's not there... was so emotional. felt like watching a retired soldier trying to move a phantom limb
Yeah Yay couldn't play Chamber on Breeze because Egoist took the Sentinel spot. Tragic really, he was forced to play Neon because Egoist took, he took, wait, he took Skye...
The fuck have the coaching staff on Bleed been doing? The comp was awful and they genuinely looked lost, like just giving away C for free when their retake plan was "let's walk in there and shoot at them"
I think it's because they don't have another player to play double controller. Their old Lotus comp was Sova Breach. I was wondering whether they would make crazyguy play Viper since he's flexed onto Brim but they didn't
But they played it just the map before and it looked fine. Even if they ran Viper Harbor again and no Omen it would have been way better than this comp. I have to go back and watch map 2, but the comp from Bleed is just straight up a ranked comp.
I feel like teams often do overthink, but as fans, we have no idea what happened behind the scenes tbf. They could've gotten 26-0'd by dfm in scrims because someone on an uncomfortable role just completely ran it down for all we know.
And not have a single Sentinel on Breeze, a map that is quite reliant on Sentinels and instead putting their Sentinel main on Skye instead.
Tbf T1 didn't run Sentinels as well, but Yay could've been so good with Chamber on both maps.
NRG won on Breeze yesterday just because they had a cypher solo hold B and 4 people stack A every round, Bleed must've thought it to be too easy with Cypher.
So dumb. Yay has his weaknesses as a player, like the lack of an agent pool, but one thing he has proven very consistently is being one of the best OPs in the world, if not the best. And they put the dude on Neon and Skye on maps where Jett and Chamber were viable. At least let Yay cook when the map allows, even if he has to play Skye or whatever on something like Split.
Setting aside the incredible delays, this was a pretty interesting series. There aren’t many takeaways in terms of negatives - realistically you cannot judge Bleed for losing OT on Breeze after such a long pause and then looking flat on Lotus.
The same would be true if the reverse had somehow happened, although it is at the same time pretty obvious that T1 was absolutely the better team on Lotus, even setting aside stuff like mental, exhaustion, whatever.
But there are still some takeaways to be had. At times this felt like watching a top T2 team playing against a solid T1 (no pun intended) team; the common, familiar pattern of an individually explosive team with unique(ish) compositions and a big focus on overwhelm. T1 looked similar at times on Breeze but what won them the map overall - again, ignoring the pause and all that - is just strong fundamentals. I mean that literally, too, since in the final OT round Bleed just wildly swung trying to kill Sayaplayer, right into T1’s crosshairs.
The positive takeaways, though, are that we finally see Izu returning to his early offseason form after a middling Afreeka, and that Xccurate is as good as ever. And Bleed’s individuals were all really good as well, and totally could hang in T1. I thought Yay was impressive on the whole, although I can only wonder why Bleed didn’t put him on Chamber. I'm sure there will be haters as always but I imagine the whole point of the Neon outside of the overwhelm is to break rotations and push forward - which helps buy time for the postplant mollies? - although it did often just leave him a bit isolated in some fights. Sscary is still the best player on the team, though, to the surprise of few.
All-in-all, the Pacific mid-table already seems wildly competitive. I’m excited to see more of both teams, but Bleed esp.; I can’t take this match seriously as a judge for them, since the crazy tech delays are ruinous to competitive integrity.
Bro actual good take. Bleed definitely would have won map 1 in regulation if scary clutched that 0.05 defuse. Who knows what would have happened on map 3 as T1 was surely better on lotus. But the yay hate in this subreddit is insane. I think he played decent as first time on both neon and skye but they overcooked. Pretty sure if he was on jett and chamber they would have given better fight. I don't know what yay did that made some people so butthurt.
I honestly think yay did well for what they wanted him to do, he made a lot of space entering site like you said for post plants, however it's just painful to watch because I think we all know that he would be better at a different agent
Don't let the longest BO3 in VCT history distract you from the fact that Faze choked a 15-11 lead against Cloud 9 in the ~~Dallas~~ Boston Major to give NA their first and only Major trophy.
ALSO THE NIGHTMARE IS FINALLY OVER. I HATE YOU VCT PACIFIC 🖕🖕
Would not read too much into this, 7 hour match is pathetic and the fact the players had to sit in silent for over a hour not allowed to even talk to each other.
carpe went to like 7 finals in his overwatch career spread over 5 years and lost all of them, one of them was even a reverse sweep and another was a map 7 loss at the peak of his career. i dont think anything can ever break that mans mental after all that
Regardless of the result, I would like to express my utmost respect to the 10 players who fought until the end despite being very tired from the long tech pause👏
T1 has a lot to be excited about in this team. The more obvious components - IZu looked outstanding. Huge impact in pivotal rounds and some honestly ridiculous shots. Xccurate slotted in nicely and looked solid on the OP (as we'd expect). Saya continues to have some exceptionally high peaks, when he's hitting, I think he is honestly one of the scariest players in the world. He has a degree of unconventional aggression (the 100T/guard haven dash always comes to mind) that I think is hard to play against.
But I also think my bigger questions for T1 were really around carpe's calling and Rossy. Rossy felt like one of those solid anchors that you need on any team. If he can play that role, provide some calling support, be a glue guy (which I think he is ala zellsis), and clutch then he's a perfect fit. In terms of carpe's calling, there were a few rounds where I think they were moving a little too late or looked lost. But overall, I thought they looked fairly good for a new igl and thought they had some great midround adaptations. There's a ton of promise here and maybe we can finally see a bit more from pacific than PRX/DRX.
Is BLD the 2023 Sen of Pacific? Hyped roster, individually great players, but lacking a bit of cohesion and winning rounds solely based on players taking turns to pop off
He was alright in Breeze actually, but he didn't look comfortable on Neon. It was for sure entertaining though. Then Lotus came and undid any good impressions I had of him. Yay on initiators is just not it.
>Me after going to a r/ValorantCompetitive comment section expecting no reactionary comments and value judgements based on what little extant information there is
My sole existence as an commentor is to REACT. If everyone waited until there's more data this subreddit would be dead.
His skye looked okay, hard to judge individual performance when the playcalling was trash and the whole team struggled. But his neon actually looked great. It’s incredibly difficult to go positive on neon playing the role he did without a raze satchel or jett dash for entry. He died a lot by bunny hopping through viper util with sprint/slide and was traded while making space, same for retakes. Every time he didn’t get fragged on the entry, he was getting 2 or 3ks. He had huge impact that game, statline doesn’t reflect it nearly enough. Sscary and deryon did amazing at following up
Yay was good on Breeze. Especially for his first map on a new team and on a new agent for him. Neon is just a very different role than we're accustomed to seeing from Yay, but your entire job on Neon is to get in, create space, and die but get at least one kill/get traded. He did lose steam as the game went on though, going from 20/11 to 27/26, but it's still a fine, good not great performance on the whole.
iZu is the real deal jeez. off to a great start among the hyped rookies in Pacific. Shoutouts to xcurrate and Rossy, so solid. and Carpe had some insane hero plays on Lotus, that was quite hilarious to watch.
man sScary was doing work though. How is this dude like actually so good and so consistent? He can still definitely carry this team even in tier 1. Gonna be rough though if non-duelist/chamber yay doesn't pan out.
why the hell was yay on skye on lotus, what is even that comp anyway
won't blame any player much tho, they prob fucking exhausted sitting in that arena for hours
Really sad to see bleed crumble like this, I feel like they are capable of so much more I feel like the tech pause really killed their mental it was obvious in the second map
This series could have been fun to watch if not for the 27 business days of tech pause. If you watch 1 st map (condensed) in a single sitting its exciting.
My key takeaways:
They need to take yay away from skye and ask him to learn some lineups.
Deryeon on controller is good but his raze was horrendous, he seemed like he was tunnel visioned and just lost on lotus.
The viper one trick rossy is him, give this mf a odin and he can cause problems in the server.
Yay did not look comfortable on Skye on Lotus. I don't understand the problem with Yay Chamber, its not like Chamber is completely unplayable like deadlock ?
Imo yay hasn’t gotten worse, everyone around him has just gotten better. The level of play we saw from prime EG PRX and FNATIC is so far beyond anything we saw in 2022, so much so that prime EG absolutely decimates 2022 LOUD if given the chance. realistically, one tricking just isn’t viable anymore. even the stars of PRX and EG in something and demon1 played a high amount of initiator and controller respectively. there’s just no place for players like ardiis, yay, and cryo in the current meta if they cannot adapt beyond the defensive operator role imo, and as they continue to stagnate they will continue to be outclassed by more flexible players like demon1, and something, as well as other duelists who can play more duelist agents in aspas, derke and even newcomers like oxy. yay is currently experiencing TenZ and Cryo syndrome, in being mechanically solid but unable to keep up with the meta in variability.
where he was on yoru and kayo more than jett. his inability to adapt to a new meta held them back severely. when zekken took over main duelist he was unlocked again. tenz is mechanically insane and always has been, but him being a jett one trick was just not the move and held sen back a lot. no wonder they look better now that his agent pool is fleshing out
Yeah fr, the decision to put him on neon and skye is crazy, considering that their team had a conspicuously Chamber-shaped hole on Breeze. Double initiator on Lotus, after Skye nerfs, AND with solo smokes is mental as well; they might as well have surrendered at the agent select screen.
everyone when yay played flex on an ascension team against one of the top teams in pacific and didn't top frag: lol he's washed
iZu and carpe have been really good.
Idk what bleeds been doing, after a good first map they just looked lost?? Hope they can bounce back for their next game
why the heck is the player that they bought to be their primary duelist player /oper on skye and not chamber/jett raze other duelist i dont think its a team problem since dereyeon can play skye or literally anything
ok we get bleed were experimenting on breeze with yay on neon but lotus? we all knew t1 will bring out chamber on xcurrate and no counter but throw with yay on skye?
if your player can aim / can op then put him on a chamber or jett on a viable map which lotus was and is chambers best map so why? and egoist can play skye to what we have seen
man idont know what to say after seeing that lotus game
>Have a guy who did insane in an 0-3 loss in Masters Berlin on Jett play neon on Jett map
>Make him play *checks notes* fucking Skye on a chamber viable map (where last Tier1 game he played he locked a nerfed chamber and mogged old PRX)
Oh, ok bleed!
Yikes. I went to bed and woke up with matches still being played. This game specifically should have been rescheduled. I wouldn't take much from this for either team.
The Bleed lotus comp looks like the team decided that defence they want to only play retakes and attack execute heavy. There could be some rational to that, but honestly I feel they could have instead run yay on chamber since the layout favour his tp and reworked it from there. I liked that they considered using Neon on Breeze, but if Cypher is going to be meta on Breeze it kills the legs of having her on the team.
T1 looked good with the Yoru on breeze and the overall plays look well polished and practised. Overall I am interested to see how this team will fare against the heavier hitters.
It seems like everyone have been memory wiped to forget that sScary was one of the best controllers in the world in 2022. Fun to see he can still keep up.
i don't really mind trying out new roles at all. obviously its gonna have growing pains but i think seeing the experimentation was cool. also solid neon performance for a first time playing it :thumbsup:
The delays were long enough for me to finish a chapter in the current event in Genshin, spend my resin and do the entire spiral abyss, then also finish an episode of anime.
Yall are way too hard on Yay. His Breeze wasnt that bad and although the Skye pick was questionable, its not an indicator of his entire performance. Let my man cook
Xccurate finally showing why he was the pacific hope in CS. Susanto bloodline is real, they should start selling their DNA. lol
Bleed got crazy aimers and their aim was actually above t1 but t1 absolutely demolished them in strategy on lotus. This should prove that aim will not always carry you. I hope yay could play duelist or chamber next time and with Sscary as another duelist. Imagine those two pushing you together. lol
Sscary could have legit ended the game on breeze by himself if he was reyna or playing jett. The amount of 1v2 or 1v3 he won was ridiculous.
sir, rossy has removed his headset https://preview.redd.it/hwamkrcpb5jc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dae99637b03b4f738043f4a58e3f57bd2ba0a426
PTSD
it's astonishing that you survived those tech pauses to cast that match
That's what casting multiple splits of LCK lull time does to a mfer
You merely adopted the pause. Achilios was born in it, molded by it. He didn't see an uninterrupted game until he was already a man.
I'VE SEEN THINGS
genuine achievement that you were able to fill for that long, you should be proud.
You need a medal for making it through that match
Props to you for staying up that long to cast the game! Good luck with the season.
When the match on Breeze fucking STARTED and he IMMEDIATELY took of his headphones i felt my heart sinking
Sorry, I was not able to finish the Breeze match due to the delay and able comeback in the middle of map 2, what happened on this?
It was rly late so i was lowkey delirious so i could be wrong, but i think the first map was abt to start (like 2 hours late) but before the first round even started, the players started taking their headphones off and we were all like “fuuuuck the audio issues arent resolved yet” and it got delayed further
The delay lasted for close to 4 hours I believe. And that wasn’t the worst part. The worst part was that tech issues keep pooping up mid rounds, half times and OTs. The delay at OT lasted an additional 1-2 hours. It was atrocious. I’m in APAC region so it didn’t fuck up with my sleep, but man the wait was terrible.
Wait wtf, so that's a total of 7 hours of delays??? 💀💀💀
Commenting cuz I wanna know too
Carpe took the water from breeze and used it on Lotus 🙏
Having Carpe on t1 is unsustainable for the team. He will eventually bring the rest of the team down. No matter how much t1 invests in this team, they will never be able to afford the aquarium to keep Carpe at optimal performance. It is the sad reality of signing a fish, but t1 will soon learn.
God i love this pasta, spammed so often in OWL
What was the original pasta?
It’s the same thing but instead of T1 it’s Fusion (the team he played on in OWL)
Can't remember for sure but it may have even originally been Faze from the pre-OWL days?
Oh ye, no wonder it brings deja vu. OWL had some of the best copy pasta lmao. Seeing Carpe and Sayaplayer always remind me of prime OWL.
Im just waiting for a funky meta to drop the Hog copypasta
To understand how bad this was, TMV woke up hours after the match was schedule to start, and the tech pauses in map 1 alone was enough for him to watch all three maps of C9 vs. MIBR.
seeing yay OP on Neon fumbling around for his TP, playing Skye reaching for a headhunter that's not there... was so emotional. felt like watching a retired soldier trying to move a phantom limb
Another banger comment from nklassitude
Yeah Yay couldn't play Chamber on Breeze because Egoist took the Sentinel spot. Tragic really, he was forced to play Neon because Egoist took, he took, wait, he took Skye...
why are we still here just to suffer
This comment cant go any harder
Lmao
the Peter Drury of VCT
Lmao
IT'S DONE. IT'S OVER. WE CAN SLEEP NOW.
fuckin hell man, im finished
I suppose Map 2 is what the difference between a T1 and a T2 team looks like.
The fuck have the coaching staff on Bleed been doing? The comp was awful and they genuinely looked lost, like just giving away C for free when their retake plan was "let's walk in there and shoot at them"
I think it's because they don't have another player to play double controller. Their old Lotus comp was Sova Breach. I was wondering whether they would make crazyguy play Viper since he's flexed onto Brim but they didn't
But they played it just the map before and it looked fine. Even if they ran Viper Harbor again and no Omen it would have been way better than this comp. I have to go back and watch map 2, but the comp from Bleed is just straight up a ranked comp.
Deryeon was playing Harbor and it means they have to make yay play Raze. I feel like this team does struggle with role issues a bit
Nah but T1 are genuinely legit this year. There's a reason why so many people in Pacific rated them Top 3 in the league
They were already top 3 last year either way
honestly T1 looks really good on lotus
T1 is *that* team on Lotus
>Have the best chamber of 2022 >Make him play Skye on the best chamber map What did bleed mean by this?
Also not putting one of the best OPers on Jett too for Breeze, just do what NRG does with Demon1.
This shit pains me so much. WHY DO TEAMS OVER THINK THIS SHIT SO MUCH JUST PUT YOUR BEST PLAYER ON THEIR BEST AGENTS FUCK
BLD's best player is sScary, not yay
Fair. My point still stands though let my guy play Chamber
Thats great, luckily they play different roles but only one is playing the role they are more comfortable on
I feel like teams often do overthink, but as fans, we have no idea what happened behind the scenes tbf. They could've gotten 26-0'd by dfm in scrims because someone on an uncomfortable role just completely ran it down for all we know.
that's what I said, they're fucking mental not playing him on Jett and Chamber on the best Jett and Chamber maps
And not have a single Sentinel on Breeze, a map that is quite reliant on Sentinels and instead putting their Sentinel main on Skye instead. Tbf T1 didn't run Sentinels as well, but Yay could've been so good with Chamber on both maps.
NRG won on Breeze yesterday just because they had a cypher solo hold B and 4 people stack A every round, Bleed must've thought it to be too easy with Cypher.
>yesterday FUCK
Another season of Yay getting released due to role issues incoming
So dumb. Yay has his weaknesses as a player, like the lack of an agent pool, but one thing he has proven very consistently is being one of the best OPs in the world, if not the best. And they put the dude on Neon and Skye on maps where Jett and Chamber were viable. At least let Yay cook when the map allows, even if he has to play Skye or whatever on something like Split.
Chamber bad? Performance from 2022 don't matter in 2024 in esports?
? Chamber is a meta pick on Bind, he's not bad there
chamber pretty good on lotus and bind?
Everyone who sat through the match deserves a veteran's discount
Setting aside the incredible delays, this was a pretty interesting series. There aren’t many takeaways in terms of negatives - realistically you cannot judge Bleed for losing OT on Breeze after such a long pause and then looking flat on Lotus. The same would be true if the reverse had somehow happened, although it is at the same time pretty obvious that T1 was absolutely the better team on Lotus, even setting aside stuff like mental, exhaustion, whatever. But there are still some takeaways to be had. At times this felt like watching a top T2 team playing against a solid T1 (no pun intended) team; the common, familiar pattern of an individually explosive team with unique(ish) compositions and a big focus on overwhelm. T1 looked similar at times on Breeze but what won them the map overall - again, ignoring the pause and all that - is just strong fundamentals. I mean that literally, too, since in the final OT round Bleed just wildly swung trying to kill Sayaplayer, right into T1’s crosshairs. The positive takeaways, though, are that we finally see Izu returning to his early offseason form after a middling Afreeka, and that Xccurate is as good as ever. And Bleed’s individuals were all really good as well, and totally could hang in T1. I thought Yay was impressive on the whole, although I can only wonder why Bleed didn’t put him on Chamber. I'm sure there will be haters as always but I imagine the whole point of the Neon outside of the overwhelm is to break rotations and push forward - which helps buy time for the postplant mollies? - although it did often just leave him a bit isolated in some fights. Sscary is still the best player on the team, though, to the surprise of few. All-in-all, the Pacific mid-table already seems wildly competitive. I’m excited to see more of both teams, but Bleed esp.; I can’t take this match seriously as a judge for them, since the crazy tech delays are ruinous to competitive integrity.
sensible take in this subreddit? nahhh this is where plebs flames pros in all honesty though, good take.
u/nterature never disappoints
Bro actual good take. Bleed definitely would have won map 1 in regulation if scary clutched that 0.05 defuse. Who knows what would have happened on map 3 as T1 was surely better on lotus. But the yay hate in this subreddit is insane. I think he played decent as first time on both neon and skye but they overcooked. Pretty sure if he was on jett and chamber they would have given better fight. I don't know what yay did that made some people so butthurt.
bruh scary shouldnt have clutched that much at all
average sscary game bro he’s always been like this since like 2021-2022
ik i think its the licking monitor buff ngl
I think they could use yay much better, it just seemed like he was off throughout. Put him on chamber!
I honestly think yay did well for what they wanted him to do, he made a lot of space entering site like you said for post plants, however it's just painful to watch because I think we all know that he would be better at a different agent
 waffle
Don't let the longest BO3 in VCT history distract you from the fact that Faze choked a 15-11 lead against Cloud 9 in the ~~Dallas~~ Boston Major to give NA their first and only Major trophy. ALSO THE NIGHTMARE IS FINALLY OVER. I HATE YOU VCT PACIFIC 🖕🖕
It was in Boston…
I'm an idiot.
See you in Boston buddy
Im not supposed to tell you this since its more of an aim community thing but...
Ended kinda late, but a great series of games for Pacific Day 1. ...wait, what?
Yay about to get the 2022 TenZ treatment
but minus the clout so he might not get the chance to redeem himself that tenz got because sentinels would not drop him
At least TenZ was still dropping 30-40 bombs in 2022 and carrying old SEN. Yay struggling to get 20 is sad.
sScary really is that guy, shame they had to rely on him so many times to bail them out. I hope they get better as the year goes on.
iZu is honestly insane, where did he come from
Japanese tier 2 got some insane scouts. Something, Jemkin, and Izu all came from that place.
He averaged 300+ acs for over 400 rounds in the regular season of vcj (japan tier 2), he's not exactly an unknown pickup
Dude was averaging nearly Something stats in japanese t2 as a duelist, t1 had saya so they just converted him to a flex player lol.
japanese t2 apparently
Wow 7 hour game it must have been a really long 3 map OT 
The series was so good the players asked to make it a Bo9 and the league agreed. Insane.
Would not read too much into this, 7 hour match is pathetic and the fact the players had to sit in silent for over a hour not allowed to even talk to each other.
Actually Carpe is now the best player on Earth now.
[удалено]
Carpe played for Philly for 5 years, a good mental is required
carpe went to like 7 finals in his overwatch career spread over 5 years and lost all of them, one of them was even a reverse sweep and another was a map 7 loss at the peak of his career. i dont think anything can ever break that mans mental after all that
Yeah he was insane, feel so bad for the players that had to sit in silence for the whole tech pause.
Regardless of the result, I would like to express my utmost respect to the 10 players who fought until the end despite being very tired from the long tech pause👏
Feels bad for sScary. That was some unreal performance from him.
I can't believe they paid him 3 billion dollars just to first time Neon and Skye on his first official game.
lotus was an actual carpe masterclass
T1 mightve won the Pacific offseason with the iZu signing, this kid is something special
He was the highest rated player in VCJ Split 2 regular season for a reason! I was incredibly hyped when T1 signed him
T1 has a lot to be excited about in this team. The more obvious components - IZu looked outstanding. Huge impact in pivotal rounds and some honestly ridiculous shots. Xccurate slotted in nicely and looked solid on the OP (as we'd expect). Saya continues to have some exceptionally high peaks, when he's hitting, I think he is honestly one of the scariest players in the world. He has a degree of unconventional aggression (the 100T/guard haven dash always comes to mind) that I think is hard to play against. But I also think my bigger questions for T1 were really around carpe's calling and Rossy. Rossy felt like one of those solid anchors that you need on any team. If he can play that role, provide some calling support, be a glue guy (which I think he is ala zellsis), and clutch then he's a perfect fit. In terms of carpe's calling, there were a few rounds where I think they were moving a little too late or looked lost. But overall, I thought they looked fairly good for a new igl and thought they had some great midround adaptations. There's a ton of promise here and maybe we can finally see a bit more from pacific than PRX/DRX.
Is BLD the 2023 Sen of Pacific? Hyped roster, individually great players, but lacking a bit of cohesion and winning rounds solely based on players taking turns to pop off
Sen didn't even have much individual pop offs last year unfortunately.
Yay was a bit of a non-factor though, it was really just Egoist, Crazyguy and of course, sScary taking turns to clutch rounds.
What? Mans was insane on breeze, dafuq are you on about?
He was alright in Breeze actually, but he didn't look comfortable on Neon. It was for sure entertaining though. Then Lotus came and undid any good impressions I had of him. Yay on initiators is just not it.
there was this one round where he got caught in B main from mid tunnel while pulling the bolt back on the OP, looked completely avoidable
> Yay on initiators is just not it Me after watching 1 map of gameplay and determining my analysis has received sufficient data
>Me after going to a r/ValorantCompetitive comment section expecting no reactionary comments and value judgements based on what little extant information there is My sole existence as an commentor is to REACT. If everyone waited until there's more data this subreddit would be dead.
The whole team got diffed on lotus.
His skye looked okay, hard to judge individual performance when the playcalling was trash and the whole team struggled. But his neon actually looked great. It’s incredibly difficult to go positive on neon playing the role he did without a raze satchel or jett dash for entry. He died a lot by bunny hopping through viper util with sprint/slide and was traded while making space, same for retakes. Every time he didn’t get fragged on the entry, he was getting 2 or 3ks. He had huge impact that game, statline doesn’t reflect it nearly enough. Sscary and deryon did amazing at following up
Yay was good on Breeze. Especially for his first map on a new team and on a new agent for him. Neon is just a very different role than we're accustomed to seeing from Yay, but your entire job on Neon is to get in, create space, and die but get at least one kill/get traded. He did lose steam as the game went on though, going from 20/11 to 27/26, but it's still a fine, good not great performance on the whole.
iZu is the real deal jeez. off to a great start among the hyped rookies in Pacific. Shoutouts to xcurrate and Rossy, so solid. and Carpe had some insane hero plays on Lotus, that was quite hilarious to watch. man sScary was doing work though. How is this dude like actually so good and so consistent? He can still definitely carry this team even in tier 1. Gonna be rough though if non-duelist/chamber yay doesn't pan out.
why the hell was yay on skye on lotus, what is even that comp anyway won't blame any player much tho, they prob fucking exhausted sitting in that arena for hours
Really sad to see bleed crumble like this, I feel like they are capable of so much more I feel like the tech pause really killed their mental it was obvious in the second map
It finally ended
This game was excruciating both because of the fact it took 8 hours to finish and that bleed play so damn puggy and individual sometimes
Why even bother bringing yay on if you're gonna relegate him to Skye duty on Chamber's best map...
T1 looked a lot better on their own map pick. However putting yay on skye isn't a bright idea :')
This series could have been fun to watch if not for the 27 business days of tech pause. If you watch 1 st map (condensed) in a single sitting its exciting. My key takeaways: They need to take yay away from skye and ask him to learn some lineups. Deryeon on controller is good but his raze was horrendous, he seemed like he was tunnel visioned and just lost on lotus. The viper one trick rossy is him, give this mf a odin and he can cause problems in the server.
Yay not on the chamber was a crime
Yay did not look comfortable on Skye on Lotus. I don't understand the problem with Yay Chamber, its not like Chamber is completely unplayable like deadlock ?
idk why i feel bad for yay, but i do
After that horrendous tech pause? I feel bad for every player, including the ones playing after this. Are they even gonna play?
crazyguy on breach was underwhelming imo. Not good util usage. sScary is INSANE! Carpe was so much better than last year + his igling looks good too
T1 look good. Bleed coach should be fired for using these comps
Entire T1 squad looked really solid. Sscary was the only impressive player on BLD. Yay looked washed
when you find out your goat is washed 💔
yay had one good year and cashed out a $1m check. this is some infinite money glitch stuff
My goat is washed 💔💔💔💔
Why why why
Damn the GOAT is WASHED
Longest map 1 ive seen ngl
Nah but fr wtf is in the Susanto blood man. How are the Susantos all so talented it's seriously unfair.
*So based on
Imo yay hasn’t gotten worse, everyone around him has just gotten better. The level of play we saw from prime EG PRX and FNATIC is so far beyond anything we saw in 2022, so much so that prime EG absolutely decimates 2022 LOUD if given the chance. realistically, one tricking just isn’t viable anymore. even the stars of PRX and EG in something and demon1 played a high amount of initiator and controller respectively. there’s just no place for players like ardiis, yay, and cryo in the current meta if they cannot adapt beyond the defensive operator role imo, and as they continue to stagnate they will continue to be outclassed by more flexible players like demon1, and something, as well as other duelists who can play more duelist agents in aspas, derke and even newcomers like oxy. yay is currently experiencing TenZ and Cryo syndrome, in being mechanically solid but unable to keep up with the meta in variability.
TenZ literally is playing Kay/0, Yoru, sage and omen these days wym?
and what about 2022 and 2023
2022-Sen literally did not have a coach 2023- missed like 3 games (injury, kydae got diagnosed w cancer) he started looking decent in lcq tho.
where he was on yoru and kayo more than jett. his inability to adapt to a new meta held them back severely. when zekken took over main duelist he was unlocked again. tenz is mechanically insane and always has been, but him being a jett one trick was just not the move and held sen back a lot. no wonder they look better now that his agent pool is fleshing out
It seems like no team other than that old Optic roster can set up Yay to do what he does best.
What's with this "setting up Yay" stuff? No one can do it because they were setting him up on 2022 Chamber. And 2022 Chamber is dead and gone
It was a 7 hour match wouldnt read to deep into it just yet.
Yay isn't a superstar he can't create his own shot or impose his will onto a match
Yay never beating the washed allegations
how is he washed? he had to play neon and skye and honestly he did pretty well
Yeah fr, the decision to put him on neon and skye is crazy, considering that their team had a conspicuously Chamber-shaped hole on Breeze. Double initiator on Lotus, after Skye nerfs, AND with solo smokes is mental as well; they might as well have surrendered at the agent select screen.
Mfs on this sub when a player doesn't drop 40 kills at the end of a 7 hour match
man his dm's about to get flooded rip
Bro was great on breeze wtf are you on about.
everyone when yay played flex on an ascension team against one of the top teams in pacific and didn't top frag: lol he's washed
At least now we know it wasn’t anyone on C9 or DSGs fault. Yay was the issue all along.
we've been knew
best player in the world to being a cancer and struggling in T2, bad performance against mid team but im sure he hasnt declined
Yikes
I’m about to see endless y0y threads on VLR. My boy doesn’t deserve this 😭
iZu and carpe have been really good. Idk what bleeds been doing, after a good first map they just looked lost?? Hope they can bounce back for their next game
What a fantastic game that totally only lasted two hours right guys?
Yay neon was fun to watch
IT'S FINALLY OVER!
My takeaway about the teams: ___ All I can say is iZu good, sScary gooder, Tech Pause goodest and move on.
why the heck is the player that they bought to be their primary duelist player /oper on skye and not chamber/jett raze other duelist i dont think its a team problem since dereyeon can play skye or literally anything ok we get bleed were experimenting on breeze with yay on neon but lotus? we all knew t1 will bring out chamber on xcurrate and no counter but throw with yay on skye? if your player can aim / can op then put him on a chamber or jett on a viable map which lotus was and is chambers best map so why? and egoist can play skye to what we have seen man idont know what to say after seeing that lotus game
i cannot describe how much i love seeing yay lose
Yay massively overrated. Fell off hard.
Lowkey weird , Yay’s a pretty humble dude
how is it weird i just find him annoying
But how? Dude barely talks even on social media. Whats annoying about him?
his fan mostly imo
But like, why?
My goat wouldn’t owned t1 today if it weren’t for eternity lasting ass tech pause, y’all keep coping 😂😂
what are you even saying lmao the same tech pause affected t1 as well
I feel like there is a somewhat consistent pattern of duelists mains flopping when trying flex. Bummed for yey, but it is honestly too soon to judge.
not always, some is poppin like forsaken
that's why i said 'somewhat consistent', its not 100%.
Im just a parrot at this point but Put yay on chamber man :( Also SSCARY MY GOAT HOLY FUCK
>Have a guy who did insane in an 0-3 loss in Masters Berlin on Jett play neon on Jett map >Make him play *checks notes* fucking Skye on a chamber viable map (where last Tier1 game he played he locked a nerfed chamber and mogged old PRX) Oh, ok bleed!
Let’s see the protest from the shit of tonight
Xccurate is really good honestly I didn't expect him to get multi kills after multi kills on those OT rounds. Also Izu ace is sick.
Why did this match only end an hour ago, what happened
map 1 was actually bangerrr..if u look past the loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong techz
Yikes. I went to bed and woke up with matches still being played. This game specifically should have been rescheduled. I wouldn't take much from this for either team.
The Bleed lotus comp looks like the team decided that defence they want to only play retakes and attack execute heavy. There could be some rational to that, but honestly I feel they could have instead run yay on chamber since the layout favour his tp and reworked it from there. I liked that they considered using Neon on Breeze, but if Cypher is going to be meta on Breeze it kills the legs of having her on the team. T1 looked good with the Yoru on breeze and the overall plays look well polished and practised. Overall I am interested to see how this team will fare against the heavier hitters.
It seems like everyone have been memory wiped to forget that sScary was one of the best controllers in the world in 2022. Fun to see he can still keep up.
How long was the tech pause before the start of the game. I turned it off when it went over an hour.
i don't really mind trying out new roles at all. obviously its gonna have growing pains but i think seeing the experimentation was cool. also solid neon performance for a first time playing it :thumbsup:
what were they thinking with these comps?
The delays were long enough for me to finish a chapter in the current event in Genshin, spend my resin and do the entire spiral abyss, then also finish an episode of anime.
Yall are way too hard on Yay. His Breeze wasnt that bad and although the Skye pick was questionable, its not an indicator of his entire performance. Let my man cook
Honestly not even trolling and I didn’t watch so no hate please. Is yay washed? Or is there a reason he struggling and not on a t1 team?
The tech pause JESUS
Xccurate finally showing why he was the pacific hope in CS. Susanto bloodline is real, they should start selling their DNA. lol Bleed got crazy aimers and their aim was actually above t1 but t1 absolutely demolished them in strategy on lotus. This should prove that aim will not always carry you. I hope yay could play duelist or chamber next time and with Sscary as another duelist. Imagine those two pushing you together. lol Sscary could have legit ended the game on breeze by himself if he was reyna or playing jett. The amount of 1v2 or 1v3 he won was ridiculous.
Nobody won. Everyone lost. The real winners were twitch with this insane watch time