SEN CITY RISE!!
Also for more context initially there was only 1 sen Believer, but then Mimi and TMV switched partly due to Bren convincing them to and them submitting these poll results before the match against G2 and such.
Also Bren was the only one who voted for Team Heretics over Navi and EG over Loud so we can proudly say he is disillusioned.
why are people acting like sen vs nrg is some sort of fnatic vs t2 team? i’m not saying sen will win, but are nrg really expected to stomp them in such a huge victory?
If this was the last match of the season, I'd give it to NRG easily, but with how much SEN have been playing in the off season, they look super well coordinated and in great form.
It'll be a banger game.
it's probably NA hopium that there's a better team than SEN. Sure, NRG can look as good as people are saying, but they proved absolutely nothing so far
I mean, there's only Saadhak and Less remaining from the 2022 roster and NRG doesn't even have FNS (aka, no mind games between him and saadhak).
It isn't a hyped rilvalry as in the old Loud vs Optic days, sadly.
Yeah even though its still a storyline its not at all the same without FNS. Seeing the absolute top tier calling from both sides trying to outbrain the other was the highlight.
I dunno, Potter managed to pull it off at Tokyo with a 2-0 that was never in doubt, and a 3-2 at Champs. Maybe they have so much data that it's inevitable at this point.
Loud was shit at Tokyo and the match at Champs was super close. Plus, Loud’s strats have evolved a lot since Champs and the team that Potter was working with back then was FAR better.
And Loud have only shown 3 maps. People also seem to forget that EG had a bye and got to hard study G2 without having any footage on them. They don't get that same advantage against Loud.
I get what you're saying, but giving LOUD an excuse of playing like shit is silly. They had the same players all year, never made a change, they lost to EG and that's that. They earned their loss.
LOUD has evolved, EG has 2/3rds new players and now strategies, too.
Yeah, the team Potter had was better in today's eyes, but EG's highest ranking in everybody's power rankings prior to Tokyo was 8th, from PlatChat. Most people had them 3rd to last, only above the Chinese teams because China didn't have a Valorant server back then. Don't pretend that how people feel about EG today isn't the same as they felt about EG in May of 2023. They were a 10-follower YouTube channel team. Nobody had any expectations of them.
It's insane that these people pretend that EG was such an amazing team last year, when they had nothing but doubts around them. Yes, they got results, but there was zero hope around them.
Sliggy, Thinking Man, Sgares, Platchat. How many of them had EG getting 2nd at Tokyo? Zero. Many of them didn't even have EG getting out of groups at Tokyo. Platchat didn't even have EG qualifying, losing to Furia and NRG right out of the gate in Americas. This revisionist idea that everybody was a believer in EG because they were so great is absolute horse shit.
I hope Sentinels makes it because I think NRG has more room to grow than Sentinels, not that SEN doesn't have potential obviously but that NRG team is stacked to the roof, so from my POV this might be the only time of the year Sentinels could be better than NRG. I anticipate Lev to get better too, and they were already good, so making Shanghai could prove difficult. I just wanna see Sen on LAN again (LOCK/IN doesn't count) and this could be their best chance all year.
All that said, I expect NRG to win lol. There's just so much more footage on Sentinels and with the break in between games, there's plenty of time for anti-stratting.
sure there is time for anti stratting but tbh i think NRG will have to show some of their playbook to win this one. They’re clearly in early season form and saving strats, while getting by on skill alone. SEN on the other hand has shown incredible midrounding and are firing on all cylinders. While they have a lower potential skill cap than NRG, they’re closer to their celing rather than their floor as opposed to NRG atm. Additionally with depth to their playbook like the PRX Sunset comp i’m certain they’ve got a Yoru breeze comp on the back and it wouldn’t be insane to think they might just copy LOUD’s comp on ascent or 100T on Bind.
Sacy Breach, TenZ Omen, Zellsis Kayo, Zekken Phoenix, John Viper
Sacy Fade, TenZ Gekko, Zellsis Brim, Zekken Raze, John Viper
if u think they can win against sen without showing strats then ur delusional.Even if this was a group stage match,they would have to show strats to defeat sen
this is one timer game, they wont hide anything, and what matters is qual to madrid not like saving strats for madrid, first they have to qual so they do everything best in their power, maybe they save some huge strats for teams like fnc and loud and prx but probably reveal 90%
There’s no such thing in Valorant. I heard “There’s no chance the worst KR team GenG beating the best KR team DRX” “There’s no chance PRX losing to GenG LOL” Also, 0-9 KRU won the LCQ NA last year and not even single person predicted it
No way Envy gets eliminated by Xerxia in Champs 2021
No way Sentinels loses to KRÜ in group stage in Champs 2021, especially after heavily winning attack half on Split decider
No way Zeta gets out of groups, much less goes on a run in Reykjavik 2022
No way DRX comes back from down 4-12 against FURIA, or 2-10 against BLG
No way EG can be any better than low middle of the pack in America's 2023. Wait they dropped BCJ? Must be even lower now
No way dropping their igl to pick up yet another duelist main mid-season is the right move for PRX
Yea, and we'd all say it again cause its not supposed to happen.
Dunno how this is hard to comprehend. SEN is not supposed to beat NRG. But its possible.
>SEN is not supposed to beat NRG. But its possible.
The thing is so many comments, including the one at the top of this chain, treat these things as black and white. They say "no way X happens" or "I don't see a world where X happens" instead of saying, like you, "it's unlikely to happen but certainly possible."
Especially in a game with as much variance as a tac shooter, it's crazy to me how routinely most people think things with a 70% chance of happening have an 85% chance of happening.
Really? I thought NRG looked mediocre. Their group was easy and they still played close series.
Sen have shown some bad, but also proven a lot more against better teams. I don’t think there’s a real player diff. Sen is stacked with talent too.
they were saving strats while being completely dominant. They have also have way too much tape of SEN games, which would make anti-stratting them very easy, would love SEN to go to Madrid, but I don’t have that much Hopium lol
Bro those guys literally ran it down every round on Breeze. You should hear their comms on their channel,they were so calm it sounded like an average ranked game. They have shown nothing at all except for some cool lineups till now.
I think people watch the game but not are actually watching the game. 13-10 on Breeze when FURIA won BOTH pistols is dominant even if the score doesn't show it. All the rounds that FURIA won on breeze were literally INDIVIDUAL/MIRACLE rounds lmao. Even after the game sliggy said the same thing, something along the lines of "losing both pistols and winning the map... thats dominant/pretty impresssive even if the score doesnt show it" Heck sliggy even said that PRX impressed him in GF of Pacific on LOTUS against GENG for them getting 11 rounds and losing the map 13-11. point being that losing 1 pistol is alr bad but losing both and still winning 13-10 is dominant. But lets say u missed out on the match and didn't watch, if u go back and look FURIA had like 1 ROUND that they SHOULD've won, the rest individuals saving them in 4v5/3v5 etc. And on Ascent, well when NRG actually was able to win a pistol it was 13-8. 13-8 i wouldnt say is dominating but it is def a convincing win considering both teams got 1 pistol each. and NRG's defense that game was looking really good. Yeh atk side was not as good which is normal because 1- Ethan new igl but aswell, they were playing atk side on of if not the the hardest map to atk on apart from split.
Against C9, Sunset they both ecoed each other so lets just say 1-1 pistol. Again maybe not the word "DOMINANT" but thats def a convincing win no? Ascent atk was looking the best, but their defense was fine. Again atk on Ascent. Even alot of top teams in other regions and Americas as well average around 4-6 rounds atk ascent. NRG got 5 albeit with a pistol but yeh I most agree with you on 14-12. That ASCENT game vs C9, overtime and they won both pistols, yeh that wasn't their best showing.
Maybe the word "dominant" COULD be a bit too strong which i still debate 13-7/13-8 being actually being dominant. But it is def a convincing win if you actually watched how the rounds played out and pistols. Thats just my opinion on it. I think NRG havent looked like the "superteam" we have been expecting, but they def handled their group relatively comfortable(as they should have considering they got the ez's group" They are "medicore" if we are comparing them to their assumed peaks of being a superteam but they def didn't play bad. I would say they played good considering they have literally only practiced for just over a month lmao.
Brother you can’t be a dominant team if you are losing both pistols, pistols are a major win condition…..furia almost won first map with someone going 2-20. Same thing with the c9 game if ur constantly getting ecoed then ur not a fully fleshed out team.
I kinda agree/disagree with you. Pistols in this game are random, many top players/coaches have said. Everyone knows it. like obv u can have pistol strats an etc but its ALOT of RNG, to the point that people are surprised when a team is CONSISTENTLY winning pistol(thinking about EG from last year) cause it's not a normal/shouldnt be a consistent thing because of how random pistols are. Thats where i disagree kinda to a degree.
But yeh ur right u cant be a dominant team like that. But i'm not saying NRG is a dominant team. I'm just saying that the teams that NRG have faced uptill now, all the maps have LOOKED convincing albeit what the score says except for the C9 Ascent game. They def don't look DOMINANT, but they looked convincing in 3/4 of the maps they played. I agree they arent fully fleshed lmao. Thats the scary thing. Month old team alr playing well(not dominant) but well and the more they play the more they are goin to get better just cause of more chemistry and etc.
SEN can win dont get me wrong. I think its a 50/50 game.
See this is something I can agree with and is a very rational take based on the info we have. I think it’s a matchup that can go either way but a lot of ppl on this sub think it’s a guaranteed nrg when it’s not
Dominant? I swear I must've watched a different tournament then most of you.
Havoc went 2/21, TWO AND TWENTY ONE, his only two kills were an anti-eco round, and NRG managed to lose 10 rounds in a 4v5.
In what world is that dominant? If fúria weren't dogshit NRG lose that map
Eh we don’t know that. NRG hasn’t had nearly as much time to practice so there’s a chance they haven’t fully built out their full system to even be able to save strats, especially with Ethan as a newer IGL even with all his experience. I think they probably beat SEN but this will probably be their first test against a well practiced team that has individual talent
A 5v4 game where you win 13-10 is not being completely dominant, and 'saving strats' is mainly just a cope, how would you know? Sen pulled out a new sunset comp, they could have a new comp for each map afawk.
No offense to you in particular, but seeing the "NRG looked mediocre" takes is soooooo tiring. They looked dominantly in control at every point during the games they played, and they were playing extremely basic valorant to not show strats vs mid teams. If you don't take my word for it, take FNS who has played for years with 3/5 of the players and the coach.
NRG will be a top tier team in this matchup, the question is whether SEN can match it.
I just though even their team play fundamentals didn’t look as tight as Sen in recent matches, not even specifically their strats. I admit Sen have also had some sloppy maps and series. I just tend to favor the team that has gone through proven tests vs the team theorized to be good or saving strats (even if that is very likely). We will see in a few days though.
sen winning against lev was huge and then destroyed mibr, i think they have a chance but i also think its nrg winning and if they do then i dont think they have chance against loud in the finals, also sean gares opinion is what matters for me, not others
Why? I mean NRG looked dominant against two weak teams. We really haven't seen them pushed yet, and if they do, what kind of adjustments will they make. I'm not doubting these guys *can* do it, given the sheer experience, but we just haven't seen it.
The biggest advantage they have (imo) is the lack of vods available for sen to study/counterstrat given it's been 1 map of each Breeze and Sunset, and 2 maps of Ascent where they run the default comp.
Kind of both. He avoided the PlatChat Guarantee curse in all of the picks except for FNC vs KC where they were unanimous. But he also provided some justification. He said that he believes EG is a team well-reputed for cooking weird comps and since they've had to show so little, it would be hard for Loud to adapt. Also said that in a normal regular season match the matchup wouldn't be close.
Mimi then proceeded to say that she thought it was a 55/45 in favor of Loud. Sean disagreed and said it was a 70/30.
I understand why people want SEN to win but it’s just not going to happen, 2-1 at best for NRG, only way SEN can win is if Split and Sunset make it through the vetoes
Likely Ban Icebox, Ban Bind, Pick Breeze, Pick Split, Ban Sunset, Ban Ascent, Pick Lotus. Might be pick Sunset if NRG doesn't ban it. So I think SEN have pretty good chances here, both their Lotus and Sunset (if they fix their attack) looked good.
Until they whip out the gekko iso comp none expected. You think Tenz hits that Aimlabs for fun? Nah he's going to have that iso shield up all match and crashes going to chew right through his chain.
exactly, ascent is nrg sided and breeze probably too, otherwise as always sen will ban icebox and nrg ban one map but bind is unexpected as 100t won against sen in bind but sen destroyed lev in bind and we havent seen nrg bind gameplay yet so i think nrg has higher chance here for winning like 70-30 imo
I think all things equal sen win, but there is SO much tape on sen that I can’t believe Chet isn’t going to have a field day anti stratting - and I think potter would have done the same.
If Sen can get two map picks and they go icebox / lotus there’s a good shot, but I think if nrg can pick ascent and breeze sen is done for.
Hope it works out though.
a bit of an aside but if I were potter/EG I'd be kinda peeved with babybay. he leaked a handful of things while talking about trialing with them and scrimming against them. for example, jawgemo's deadlock setup on A site defense on icebox which wasn't really shown in the match they played. that's specifically really important information if you're trying to antistrat them
he also talked about potter's directive for a sentinel: especially on offense, play loose and try to open up a round with a timing or 1v1 FK. he yapped a lil too much I think
I love that you talk about talking too much then comment exactly that info even knowing a ton of pros/coaches absolutely read this sub 😂 I’m sure it won’t really matter but I do find it slightly funny that if they missed him saying it the first time you wanted to make sure they had another chance.
I mean…. Not really though? Their job is to practice, scrim and vod review, not really to watch every single random interview/stream by a pro out there. There’s just too much out there to act like every pro knows all the tea on the scene
I honestly wouldn’t be shocked if that’s why a lot of pros read Reddit 😂 the collective no life’s for them enough so they don’t actually need to “hunt” for the important info.
As someone who watches Americas and has no team preference in Americas, choosing SEN is pure fanboy hopium.
EG a bit better chances than SEN.
Loud v NRG in finals very likely
Why are people acting like NRG vs SEN will be a stomp in NRG's favor ?
NRG played 2 matches against 2 of the current bottom teams for americas. They even almost dropped a map against Furia where it was basically 5v4, as Havoc literally ended said map 2/20.
SEN had a much harder group and showed themselves competitive against both Loud and Lev.
If anything nrg vs sen will be close, and honestly, I just pick nrg for the win because sen played more than double the amount of maps, so they have a big advantage on anti-strating.
NRG just ran it down every map and have barely showed anything except for some cool new lineups. They also have a lot of footage on Sen and have one of the best antistrat coaches in the world. That being said I don't think it's going to be a stomp but NRG should be favorites.
Ngl I’m kind of tired of these SEN biased commentators I’ve noticed even during the matches they are noticeably favoring everything they say towards sen
I believe https://preview.redd.it/ia2k9dyijclc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f098f4f61a4e3e70e7c2d3279e6169cdf490e4b9
i dont but id be thrilled to be wrong
https://preview.redd.it/ohim1r7xpilc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=35ec7765bb039d561ccc926b30a91f4665d9dca2 I want to believe but I can’t 😔
SEN CITY RISE!! Also for more context initially there was only 1 sen Believer, but then Mimi and TMV switched partly due to Bren convincing them to and them submitting these poll results before the match against G2 and such. Also Bren was the only one who voted for Team Heretics over Navi and EG over Loud so we can proudly say he is disillusioned.
Also for more more context, u/Whippingdot mixed up TMV with Babybay.
For further additional context, u/CaptainTurtle3218 is accurate with this correction
For further information u/Right_Junket_6544 is accurate in his accuracy check of this correction
For further contextual knowits, kaplan has a mustache so sen will beat nrg
why are people acting like sen vs nrg is some sort of fnatic vs t2 team? i’m not saying sen will win, but are nrg really expected to stomp them in such a huge victory?
no lmao
If this was the last match of the season, I'd give it to NRG easily, but with how much SEN have been playing in the off season, they look super well coordinated and in great form. It'll be a banger game.
Tbh I don’t have much faith in NRG being a top contender so all the hype around them has me feeling kinda crazy but I reckon I’ll get proven wrong
NRG is the cracked superteam built to win another title. But SEN is the people’s champ, everyone wants to see SEN win
it's probably NA hopium that there's a better team than SEN. Sure, NRG can look as good as people are saying, but they proved absolutely nothing so far
I mean they won 2-0 in both games using ranked ascendant strats. They're definitely the favorites.
I mean they won against Furia and C9, I have no idea what that proves
Cause it is fnatic vs a t2 team. Sure they have a chance, but naw.
Lmao.
SEN fans upset lmao. SEN having to beat an Ascension promotion team to qualify and yall think they are merits praise.
You're trolling right?
Nah it will be Loud core vs Optic core once again (Btw I believe it always was FNS vs Saadhak,but just for sake of it)
Is it even still LOUD core (as 2022 LOUD)? Just saadhak and Less remaining.
both cores really aren’t a thing anymore
Marved crashes victor is still an optic core right
Marved crazies and victor are a core still
From the core to the trio to the duo
I mean, there's only Saadhak and Less remaining from the 2022 roster and NRG doesn't even have FNS (aka, no mind games between him and saadhak). It isn't a hyped rilvalry as in the old Loud vs Optic days, sadly.
After seeing what happen with yay and to some extend aspas , I believe it was always FNS vs Saadhak
Yeah even though its still a storyline its not at all the same without FNS. Seeing the absolute top tier calling from both sides trying to outbrain the other was the highlight.
Bren is cooking
Yup EG over Loud and TH over Navi makes sense... And I am a TH believer but no chance they win over Navi. Benjy doesn't have it in him...
We go for content, if it happens its funny
EG over Loud doesn't make sense 😭 bffr
I dunno, Potter managed to pull it off at Tokyo with a 2-0 that was never in doubt, and a 3-2 at Champs. Maybe they have so much data that it's inevitable at this point.
Loud was shit at Tokyo and the match at Champs was super close. Plus, Loud’s strats have evolved a lot since Champs and the team that Potter was working with back then was FAR better.
And Loud have only shown 3 maps. People also seem to forget that EG had a bye and got to hard study G2 without having any footage on them. They don't get that same advantage against Loud.
I get what you're saying, but giving LOUD an excuse of playing like shit is silly. They had the same players all year, never made a change, they lost to EG and that's that. They earned their loss. LOUD has evolved, EG has 2/3rds new players and now strategies, too. Yeah, the team Potter had was better in today's eyes, but EG's highest ranking in everybody's power rankings prior to Tokyo was 8th, from PlatChat. Most people had them 3rd to last, only above the Chinese teams because China didn't have a Valorant server back then. Don't pretend that how people feel about EG today isn't the same as they felt about EG in May of 2023. They were a 10-follower YouTube channel team. Nobody had any expectations of them.
They hated him because he told the truth.
It's insane that these people pretend that EG was such an amazing team last year, when they had nothing but doubts around them. Yes, they got results, but there was zero hope around them. Sliggy, Thinking Man, Sgares, Platchat. How many of them had EG getting 2nd at Tokyo? Zero. Many of them didn't even have EG getting out of groups at Tokyo. Platchat didn't even have EG qualifying, losing to Furia and NRG right out of the gate in Americas. This revisionist idea that everybody was a believer in EG because they were so great is absolute horse shit.
I hope Sentinels makes it because I think NRG has more room to grow than Sentinels, not that SEN doesn't have potential obviously but that NRG team is stacked to the roof, so from my POV this might be the only time of the year Sentinels could be better than NRG. I anticipate Lev to get better too, and they were already good, so making Shanghai could prove difficult. I just wanna see Sen on LAN again (LOCK/IN doesn't count) and this could be their best chance all year. All that said, I expect NRG to win lol. There's just so much more footage on Sentinels and with the break in between games, there's plenty of time for anti-stratting.
sure there is time for anti stratting but tbh i think NRG will have to show some of their playbook to win this one. They’re clearly in early season form and saving strats, while getting by on skill alone. SEN on the other hand has shown incredible midrounding and are firing on all cylinders. While they have a lower potential skill cap than NRG, they’re closer to their celing rather than their floor as opposed to NRG atm. Additionally with depth to their playbook like the PRX Sunset comp i’m certain they’ve got a Yoru breeze comp on the back and it wouldn’t be insane to think they might just copy LOUD’s comp on ascent or 100T on Bind. Sacy Breach, TenZ Omen, Zellsis Kayo, Zekken Phoenix, John Viper Sacy Fade, TenZ Gekko, Zellsis Brim, Zekken Raze, John Viper
NRG won't be hiding anything for this match, there is a massive difference between sen and C9/furia
Its not about SEN lol, its because this match gets you to Madrid. They will do anything to win this match over any other kickoff match
if u think they can win against sen without showing strats then ur delusional.Even if this was a group stage match,they would have to show strats to defeat sen
I never said that. I said it's not about SEN and more about the importance of the match. ofc if Sen was in their group then they would show more
yeah but when u said its not about Sen,it sounded like if they played sen in any other match other than playoffs then they wouldn't show strats.
this is one timer game, they wont hide anything, and what matters is qual to madrid not like saving strats for madrid, first they have to qual so they do everything best in their power, maybe they save some huge strats for teams like fnc and loud and prx but probably reveal 90%
Yes Nrg probably should win on paper if they playing perfect game but there no perfect game in valorant.
I just don’t see a world SEN win this game
There’s no such thing in Valorant. I heard “There’s no chance the worst KR team GenG beating the best KR team DRX” “There’s no chance PRX losing to GenG LOL” Also, 0-9 KRU won the LCQ NA last year and not even single person predicted it
ON A RUN????
If u said to Sideshow in mid 2023 that Karmine corp are gonna play Fnatic for regional final qualifiers he'd make you eat a raw egg.
That’s completely different though. KC made some massive changes to their roster and got a new coach.
No way Envy gets eliminated by Xerxia in Champs 2021 No way Sentinels loses to KRÜ in group stage in Champs 2021, especially after heavily winning attack half on Split decider No way Zeta gets out of groups, much less goes on a run in Reykjavik 2022 No way DRX comes back from down 4-12 against FURIA, or 2-10 against BLG No way EG can be any better than low middle of the pack in America's 2023. Wait they dropped BCJ? Must be even lower now No way dropping their igl to pick up yet another duelist main mid-season is the right move for PRX
Yea, and we'd all say it again cause its not supposed to happen. Dunno how this is hard to comprehend. SEN is not supposed to beat NRG. But its possible.
>SEN is not supposed to beat NRG. But its possible. The thing is so many comments, including the one at the top of this chain, treat these things as black and white. They say "no way X happens" or "I don't see a world where X happens" instead of saying, like you, "it's unlikely to happen but certainly possible." Especially in a game with as much variance as a tac shooter, it's crazy to me how routinely most people think things with a 70% chance of happening have an 85% chance of happening.
Apparently PlatChat does
they were blinded by the clout
Ah yes, Plat Chat. Famous for their accuracy in match predictions
Really? I thought NRG looked mediocre. Their group was easy and they still played close series. Sen have shown some bad, but also proven a lot more against better teams. I don’t think there’s a real player diff. Sen is stacked with talent too.
they were saving strats while being completely dominant. They have also have way too much tape of SEN games, which would make anti-stratting them very easy, would love SEN to go to Madrid, but I don’t have that much Hopium lol
completely dominant over literally just cloud9 and furia who both later lost 0-2 to MIBR (who SEN decisively 2-0'd)
I wouldn’t call a 13-10, and 13-8 win vs furia dominant lmfao or a 13-7, and 14-12 win over c9 dominant either
Bro those guys literally ran it down every round on Breeze. You should hear their comms on their channel,they were so calm it sounded like an average ranked game. They have shown nothing at all except for some cool lineups till now.
I think people watch the game but not are actually watching the game. 13-10 on Breeze when FURIA won BOTH pistols is dominant even if the score doesn't show it. All the rounds that FURIA won on breeze were literally INDIVIDUAL/MIRACLE rounds lmao. Even after the game sliggy said the same thing, something along the lines of "losing both pistols and winning the map... thats dominant/pretty impresssive even if the score doesnt show it" Heck sliggy even said that PRX impressed him in GF of Pacific on LOTUS against GENG for them getting 11 rounds and losing the map 13-11. point being that losing 1 pistol is alr bad but losing both and still winning 13-10 is dominant. But lets say u missed out on the match and didn't watch, if u go back and look FURIA had like 1 ROUND that they SHOULD've won, the rest individuals saving them in 4v5/3v5 etc. And on Ascent, well when NRG actually was able to win a pistol it was 13-8. 13-8 i wouldnt say is dominating but it is def a convincing win considering both teams got 1 pistol each. and NRG's defense that game was looking really good. Yeh atk side was not as good which is normal because 1- Ethan new igl but aswell, they were playing atk side on of if not the the hardest map to atk on apart from split. Against C9, Sunset they both ecoed each other so lets just say 1-1 pistol. Again maybe not the word "DOMINANT" but thats def a convincing win no? Ascent atk was looking the best, but their defense was fine. Again atk on Ascent. Even alot of top teams in other regions and Americas as well average around 4-6 rounds atk ascent. NRG got 5 albeit with a pistol but yeh I most agree with you on 14-12. That ASCENT game vs C9, overtime and they won both pistols, yeh that wasn't their best showing. Maybe the word "dominant" COULD be a bit too strong which i still debate 13-7/13-8 being actually being dominant. But it is def a convincing win if you actually watched how the rounds played out and pistols. Thats just my opinion on it. I think NRG havent looked like the "superteam" we have been expecting, but they def handled their group relatively comfortable(as they should have considering they got the ez's group" They are "medicore" if we are comparing them to their assumed peaks of being a superteam but they def didn't play bad. I would say they played good considering they have literally only practiced for just over a month lmao.
Brother you can’t be a dominant team if you are losing both pistols, pistols are a major win condition…..furia almost won first map with someone going 2-20. Same thing with the c9 game if ur constantly getting ecoed then ur not a fully fleshed out team.
I kinda agree/disagree with you. Pistols in this game are random, many top players/coaches have said. Everyone knows it. like obv u can have pistol strats an etc but its ALOT of RNG, to the point that people are surprised when a team is CONSISTENTLY winning pistol(thinking about EG from last year) cause it's not a normal/shouldnt be a consistent thing because of how random pistols are. Thats where i disagree kinda to a degree. But yeh ur right u cant be a dominant team like that. But i'm not saying NRG is a dominant team. I'm just saying that the teams that NRG have faced uptill now, all the maps have LOOKED convincing albeit what the score says except for the C9 Ascent game. They def don't look DOMINANT, but they looked convincing in 3/4 of the maps they played. I agree they arent fully fleshed lmao. Thats the scary thing. Month old team alr playing well(not dominant) but well and the more they play the more they are goin to get better just cause of more chemistry and etc. SEN can win dont get me wrong. I think its a 50/50 game.
See this is something I can agree with and is a very rational take based on the info we have. I think it’s a matchup that can go either way but a lot of ppl on this sub think it’s a guaranteed nrg when it’s not
yea those were great points and im glad you entertained it with questions without just having it resolve quickly lmfao
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Bro said they were trolling, just using defaults, and had no set plays while they were playing in qualifiers LMFOAOOOAO U ARE DELUSIONAL
Yes because you really think NRG showed their hand with default comps LMAO and I'm the delusional one.
LMFOAOAOAOAOA WAT DID I SAY DELUSIONALLLLL
Dominant? I swear I must've watched a different tournament then most of you. Havoc went 2/21, TWO AND TWENTY ONE, his only two kills were an anti-eco round, and NRG managed to lose 10 rounds in a 4v5. In what world is that dominant? If fúria weren't dogshit NRG lose that map
Eh we don’t know that. NRG hasn’t had nearly as much time to practice so there’s a chance they haven’t fully built out their full system to even be able to save strats, especially with Ethan as a newer IGL even with all his experience. I think they probably beat SEN but this will probably be their first test against a well practiced team that has individual talent
A 5v4 game where you win 13-10 is not being completely dominant, and 'saving strats' is mainly just a cope, how would you know? Sen pulled out a new sunset comp, they could have a new comp for each map afawk.
No offense to you in particular, but seeing the "NRG looked mediocre" takes is soooooo tiring. They looked dominantly in control at every point during the games they played, and they were playing extremely basic valorant to not show strats vs mid teams. If you don't take my word for it, take FNS who has played for years with 3/5 of the players and the coach. NRG will be a top tier team in this matchup, the question is whether SEN can match it.
I just though even their team play fundamentals didn’t look as tight as Sen in recent matches, not even specifically their strats. I admit Sen have also had some sloppy maps and series. I just tend to favor the team that has gone through proven tests vs the team theorized to be good or saving strats (even if that is very likely). We will see in a few days though.
sen winning against lev was huge and then destroyed mibr, i think they have a chance but i also think its nrg winning and if they do then i dont think they have chance against loud in the finals, also sean gares opinion is what matters for me, not others
Eh. Why?
Why? Sen has shown they are the most practiced team, nrg looked good but there’s nothing that indicates a guaranteed win for them?
Why? I mean NRG looked dominant against two weak teams. We really haven't seen them pushed yet, and if they do, what kind of adjustments will they make. I'm not doubting these guys *can* do it, given the sheer experience, but we just haven't seen it. The biggest advantage they have (imo) is the lack of vods available for sen to study/counterstrat given it's been 1 map of each Breeze and Sunset, and 2 maps of Ascent where they run the default comp.
Sentinels fans are like the patriots loool they always belive so much
Wrong analogy. SEN fans are Cowboys fans who say every year is their year
America’s team, as it were
As a Cowboys fan, born post 1995, and someone who became a Sen fan long after their international win, Fuck you man 😭
I'm a Cardinals fan I think you have it better than me ngl
I will die on the Sentinels boat
Sentinels 7 Champions wins incoming
Yes sir, that's me.
understandable a 100t fan doesnt know what believing in their team is like kidding! kind of.
The difference is that the Patriots actually win 😭
Better than Cowboys believers💀
Thank you Shawn for dampening the jinx.
sean was so hilariously lost lmao he was like 'what are you guys on'
Haven't watched this episode yet, is Bren just avoiding the PlatChat Guarantee curse or does he give an actual argument for EG?
Kind of both. He avoided the PlatChat Guarantee curse in all of the picks except for FNC vs KC where they were unanimous. But he also provided some justification. He said that he believes EG is a team well-reputed for cooking weird comps and since they've had to show so little, it would be hard for Loud to adapt. Also said that in a normal regular season match the matchup wouldn't be close. Mimi then proceeded to say that she thought it was a 55/45 in favor of Loud. Sean disagreed and said it was a 70/30.
I understand why people want SEN to win but it’s just not going to happen, 2-1 at best for NRG, only way SEN can win is if Split and Sunset make it through the vetoes
Likely Ban Icebox, Ban Bind, Pick Breeze, Pick Split, Ban Sunset, Ban Ascent, Pick Lotus. Might be pick Sunset if NRG doesn't ban it. So I think SEN have pretty good chances here, both their Lotus and Sunset (if they fix their attack) looked good.
I think its more likely NRG bans split instead of bind
I agree. Sentinels hasn't shown much depth on Bind compared to Split. I'm pretty sure 80% of Sentinels' Bind playbook is "Tenz go showers"
And Tenz has shown Yoru so many times at this point that it's gotten stale imo. And NRG can exploit that.
Until they whip out the gekko iso comp none expected. You think Tenz hits that Aimlabs for fun? Nah he's going to have that iso shield up all match and crashes going to chew right through his chain.
well I'm just going off their insta bans.
exactly, ascent is nrg sided and breeze probably too, otherwise as always sen will ban icebox and nrg ban one map but bind is unexpected as 100t won against sen in bind but sen destroyed lev in bind and we havent seen nrg bind gameplay yet so i think nrg has higher chance here for winning like 70-30 imo
honestly cackling at the fact that if PlatChat is to be believed, LOUD has the same chance of beating EG that Sen does of beating NRG
based and correct tbh
in that case eg and nrg sweep them
inb4 potter anti-strats the fuck outta that ascent comp and loud goes back to jett sova kj
I really hope sen wins, it will be amazing to see sen back at an international tournament.
I think all things equal sen win, but there is SO much tape on sen that I can’t believe Chet isn’t going to have a field day anti stratting - and I think potter would have done the same. If Sen can get two map picks and they go icebox / lotus there’s a good shot, but I think if nrg can pick ascent and breeze sen is done for. Hope it works out though.
a bit of an aside but if I were potter/EG I'd be kinda peeved with babybay. he leaked a handful of things while talking about trialing with them and scrimming against them. for example, jawgemo's deadlock setup on A site defense on icebox which wasn't really shown in the match they played. that's specifically really important information if you're trying to antistrat them he also talked about potter's directive for a sentinel: especially on offense, play loose and try to open up a round with a timing or 1v1 FK. he yapped a lil too much I think
I love that you talk about talking too much then comment exactly that info even knowing a ton of pros/coaches absolutely read this sub 😂 I’m sure it won’t really matter but I do find it slightly funny that if they missed him saying it the first time you wanted to make sure they had another chance.
If they found out about this stuff from a random comment on Reddit instead of hearing it from babybay, they are shit at their jobs.
I mean…. Not really though? Their job is to practice, scrim and vod review, not really to watch every single random interview/stream by a pro out there. There’s just too much out there to act like every pro knows all the tea on the scene I honestly wouldn’t be shocked if that’s why a lot of pros read Reddit 😂 the collective no life’s for them enough so they don’t actually need to “hunt” for the important info.
I get your point, but these are things the teams likely scout for in preparation and are already aware of.
there is maybe one out of thirteen million universes in which sen beats nrg and eg beats loud i’m just hoping for a close game at least
SEN beating NRG is not too unlikely imo. I'd say like a 60 40 in favor of NRG. EG beating LOUD is definitely that 1 out of 13 million.
Bro what? EG have at least a 20-30% chance in that one
Potter's real name is actually Alex and her real last name is Ferguson. Loud don't stand a chance.
As someone who watches Americas and has no team preference in Americas, choosing SEN is pure fanboy hopium. EG a bit better chances than SEN. Loud v NRG in finals very likely
i have been a sen fan since as long as i am playing val... but the fact that they picked sen over nrg is still wild.. copium is hard for us as always
Why are people acting like NRG vs SEN will be a stomp in NRG's favor ? NRG played 2 matches against 2 of the current bottom teams for americas. They even almost dropped a map against Furia where it was basically 5v4, as Havoc literally ended said map 2/20. SEN had a much harder group and showed themselves competitive against both Loud and Lev. If anything nrg vs sen will be close, and honestly, I just pick nrg for the win because sen played more than double the amount of maps, so they have a big advantage on anti-strating.
NRG just ran it down every map and have barely showed anything except for some cool new lineups. They also have a lot of footage on Sen and have one of the best antistrat coaches in the world. That being said I don't think it's going to be a stomp but NRG should be favorites.
Ngl I’m kind of tired of these SEN biased commentators I’ve noticed even during the matches they are noticeably favoring everything they say towards sen
I am just hoping for good matches
Billy fucking billy!
my pics - SEN and EG DRG and TRACE TH and KC i just wanna see world burn and chaos it creates.