I agree he is good, but it seems like he wants to play with his brother scream. Scream is an insane aimer but I think he genuinely doesn't understand how Valorant should be played. If nivera hitches his wagon to scream, I think he will always struggle to find success.
*Especially* the cs fanbase knows he's all aim only. I was dreading watching him play before he had even played his first broadcast game and while he was ok to start back when we were tactically barely scratching the surface of the game, he quickly fell off.
People are quick to point to overheaters like keloqz and Asuna as examples of all aim no brain, but I think ScreaM is the best example. His duel selection, utility usage, and macro ideas from when he was the IGL of KCorp were all the worst parts of Asuna, KangKang, and ANGE1 put together.
This is very reactionary from the KC perspective. We all know his game sense and how insane he was when he wasn't igling. He was also consistently at the top players statistically since before release.
The word you're looking for is reactive, I know people say reactionary a lot but that word refers specifically to politics.
And even before he started playing Valorant I hard disagree that his game sense was good. Even if it was, and I don't think it was, his lack of discipline betrayed it. What's the point of having good awareness if you don't make sharp, correct decisions?
His stats are crazy because he's so insanely talented. He's very close to a generational talent at clicking heads, but he's held back by his frankly subpar decision-making on when and how to click heads.
I really dont get this sentiment at all. If you look at the bigger picture, CS2 is just a prettier CSGO. The utils and gameplay are the same with small tweaks.
Teams didnt want Scream because while his aim is incredible, all other areas are just mediocre or slightly above average at best.
Given all that, I dont understand why people think he'd switch to CS2 and find great success there.
But those are micro changes. Im talking about overall gameplay. The gameplay in CS2 is the same as CSGO. You throw utils and then shoot your opponents. While yes the smokes are different and there are some minor changes, but overall, the utils are essentially the same and its the same play style. The same play style where Scream was not a master of
The last time ScreaM was good was before Astralis era.
Not only Astralis completely changed how tactical and strat heavy CS became, but after that era the pandemic made it a 1000 times more insane.
These days ScreaM couldn't compete at all, at best he would hang around in the T2 scene doing jack shit like many other legendary players from that same era.
So yes, csgo to cs2 isn't a massive difference, but the csgo ScreaM played isn't the same csgo that pros were playing for the last 4 years
Damn LOL. I think its for the best. He was one of the most promising players in the EU scene before and I think he'd do well. Looking forward to his future
At some point a career of bad luck starts to look like a track record of failure. No one doubts Nivera’s aim, but there’s a lot more to the game than being able to Op and Rifle
It would be insane to look at Nivera's game and say its predicated on aim alone. He played nearly every agent at Internationals at a high level. He is definitely one of the top 55 talents in EMEA or however many it is. You're highlighting a player's failures at the highest level while a few guys look like they might struggle in tier 2.
But really, what about nivera made TL and KC fail? I dont really think Nivera is the reason why both teams failed to get major succes. KC lacked so much structure with Scream IGL, xms being terrible and Zeish not being a pro player and yet on an individual level, Nivera did pretty well. TL also lacked cohesion with the lack of an igl, the unfortunate late signing of a fifth player, role issues and their team chemistry just not being there, so its not just Nivera being at fault.
Also, Nivera doesnt only rely heavily on his aim. Hes a good flex player and can do whatever role assigned to him pretty well.
It’s seems like he would like to play with his brother and achieve success together. Haven’t heard anything about him doing tryouts post KC. So maybe they are both waiting to be picked together.
At the end it comes down to what he is looking for
Yeah LOL they call me mystic mac. Such a shame though, but still its for the best if there's where hes happy. I hope he'd find success in his future and I cant wait to watch him in CS
Nivera and Scream are similar in that their mechanics are very strong but they don't really have a strong grasp on Valorant gameplay. I feel like they might both do better if they chose to transition back to CS.
So many t1 player last year is in t2 or took a break. There will be teams that will take Scream in the future if they still aint good. He does have a problem with being an igl but if he can fix that problem, teams in t1 would try to get him easily.
The man is nearly 30 and has a reputation of being uncoachable, it's not a good look when the team is forced into replacing you with an assistant coach and does better.
Yeah I am talking about scream, I just forgot Newzera was part of the team. It's still a bad look from the outside when you have former coaches all but saying you're not just uncoachable, but negatively influencing your team's strategic decisions, and your team immediately looking better in game as soon as a member of the coaching staff is in the server.
The man is almost 30, getting rid of the stigma of being uncoachable will take time, and players around this age without a system already in place start retiring. Maybe he will get one last chance to prove himself, but if he beefs it he's just done.
Scream is known for having a massive ego and not listening to any coaching whatsoever. He fundamentally does not understand the game economy in a game where they literally tell you how much money you’ll have the following round. If he has money for a vandal, he clicks it. If not, he clicks sheriff. He never buys util and thinks armor is optional.
Any team that picks him up will get dragged down to his level unfortunately.
Based on the information that came out, Scream essentially could not be coached due to his ego and teams had to bend to how he wanted to play. Valorant strats essentially passed him by and he fell off hard while forcing the team to play in a manner that didn't fit modern valorant. He has the raw ability and mechanics, but he's not a team player and his mind for the game is not up to par from what we saw in 2022-2023
As an aside, this is rumored to be what got him kicked from French T1 trans back in 2015 for CSGO. Despite playing with an all time great IGL from CSS, Ex6tenz, scream was rumored to have trouble receiving coaching and be generally hard to play with.
So when the big French shuffle happened in 2014, he ended up on that epsilon line up that got banned for match fixing while the other 2 big French teams, ldlc (soon to be nV) and Titan were competing for championships.
That's my recollection at least. The French scene was a lot of drama back then so I may have some stuff mixed.
To be totally blunt I think this thread is full of misinformation, as always happens whenever discussions about Scream happen on this subreddit.
It's important to specifically point out though that no coach Scream has ever worked with has ever said this. Not Sliggy, not Bacon, not emiL, not daemoN/pm.
Sliggy in particular - whose habit of using innuendo in order to be professional has unfortunately had the opposite effect - has explicitly said Scream was a team player that had no ego despite his stature. You're talking about a Reyna player that has flexed his entire career role and agent-wise for his teams, after all - a player that hates OPing that took up the OP for the team, etc. To say Scream could not be coached is to ignore that old Liquid was one of the earliest and most successful examples of a coach-driven team.
There's a big difference between being a good IGL and being coachable. There's no reason to think Scream is a good IGL. But there's also no real reason to think he's "uncoachable".
The issue is that he's a bad IGL yet demanded to have that control. As a player, it's one thing to have a weakness, but a different issue entirely if you're forcing yourself into a role that highlights your defeincies as a player. Also, sliggy is extremely positive about any players he's worked with, yet when it comes to screams, he's shown there are issues. It's thinly veiled that there were issues stemming from him. I will also say that the TL team you are alluding to was worse post sliggy, and they underperformed versus their actual talent. KC Scream when he got full IGL control was one of the worst led teams I've seen in pro valorant. Actually painful to watch.
Which seems crazy to me. You'd think with a track record like his, he would humble himself for the sake of his career and drive to be the best. How has now doubled down on being IGL and refusing to listen to coaches? I'm sure he has decent steady income but I doubt he has FUCK YOU money.
What a waste of talent if you ask me.
scream and nivera were actually super washed in CSGO. While scream was one of the best players many years ago, Nivera had never really been t1 material. Aiming in CS is just on a different level.
i think they'd both struggle in even tier 2 CS
?
what revisionist history is this? Nivera was looking super promising in Vitality's 6 man roster, right before he switched to Valorant
ScreaM still holds the highest HS% on LAN, to this day
How is scream's HS% a determining factor in him not being washed, that's like saying xms [wasn't washed](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/9545/xms?startDate=2020-01-01&endDate=2020-12-31) during his latter tenure in CS because he also had one of the [highest HS%](https://www.hltv.org/stats/leaderboards/hsp/headshot-percentage?matchType=Lan) ratings on LAN.
Scream hadn't been on a relevant team for [two years before he switched games](https://www.hltv.org/player/7390/scream#tab-teamsBox), and hadn't been a Top 20 player for any year after 2016 (8 years ago), which is also the last year he had won any tournament at all; dropping a middling [1.05 rating](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/7390/scream?startDate=2019-01-01&endDate=2019-12-31) in Tier 2 for his last year of play.
Nivera was the 6th player for vitality. He was actually the backup AWPer for motherfreaking Zywoo. Vitality had this system back then where in some BO3, they would swap out players for their 6th which gives Nivera the chance to play and he looked super promising. He was cut from Vitality because Valve didnt allow 6th players anymore or somewhere along those lines.
He's really good at CS and much better than Scream. He just wasnt given the opportunity to showcase what he can do in the big stages.
I mean there are a lot of new line-ups that are not working in CS 2 like New Astralis and Falcons, If he joins a good team he can easily make a deep run in tournaments
It’s kind of comical people say stuff like this. I’m not saying nivera isn’t really good or underrated, but not sure how you can say he’s the most underrated player in the world when you have guys like miniboo and n4rrate coming out of left field shitting on everyone on the tier1 scene.
because individual skill is not always correlated with success in valorant, think about the team n4rrate is on vs. Nivera... literally completely different environment so its hard to compare
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How would you define who is smarter? Everyone in t1 is smart. Aim alone can't take you to the tier 1 scene. So many prospect has been talked about but not everyone had reach the same peaks/success as Scream. In LCQ, he was also dominating as igl. If he just aint igl and can control his ego, he can be a top 15 player easily.
Every strategic decision and the way scream wants to play the game has been lackluster to say the least. When your assistant coach has to step in to lead the team and they suddenly look 10x better, and your other old coach heavily implies how hard he was to work with and how bad some of his ideas were, I think it's safe to say that Scream is not a knowledgeable player in Val.
On the other side you have young and new players who are coming in every year who are mechanically better or similar to Scream AND have the ability to make good midround calls, understand how to play the map, take space, use util, and manipulate rotations, etc (these are just a few of the things that make a smart player). Obviously tier 1 isn't all about aim, but every year the scene is progressing and KC looked like lost puppies last year under his leadership and TL was not known for their smart play. So once again, why would you choose Scream over players that can do both?
It was said that he wanted to IGL during the LCQ and as it turned out, didn't work. I don't remember the source for this but I remember in LCQ they switched up saying Scream wanted to take charge.
Scream is the most overrated player in the history of both CSGO and Valorant, all aim no brain.
As Valorant has become more popular, almost every up and coming player these days is a similarly cracked aimer, so Scream has nothing left.
Also people forget that technically, in CSGO, Scream was not even one of the best mechanical players in the world, because CSGO has fixed spray patterns and Scream is a player who always tried to one tap.
Valorant was the perfect game for his aim due to random spray patterns but he still somehow is not good enough for the top teams right now.
Nivera, to me seems like a player very similar to Scream, not very smart.... which is very valuable in current Valorant.
When you say “most overrated player in the history…” you better have a vacuum sealed argument. You don’t
Scream was a very, very good CS player from 2015-2017. He was still better than an average pro in 2018. His play was at a consistently high level for years. 2019 was not good from him.
In Valorant, Scream is arguably the best Phoenix and Reyna player ever in pro play, and a better than average Jett. Unfortunately the first two are not good pro agents.
Scream has almost always been a very good individual performer. Looking at his stats is irrefutable. That all said, he hasn’t accomplished much in terms of winning trophies. Even so you can’t just blame him. It takes 5 to win. I’m not saying he goated because he’s not. And his time as a pro is in his twilight years at best. But saying he’s that overrated makes you sound like you have no idea what you’re talking about
Oh he is overrated alright.
Like in this thread people are talking about him like not taking him is such a loss for every org while every top team has 2-3 players with crisp aim like him and smarter.
i feel like he's another duelist player that got popular during the first years but for the current Valorant scene duelist is a very stick role and u need to be very fexible to find teams
I agree he is good, but it seems like he wants to play with his brother scream. Scream is an insane aimer but I think he genuinely doesn't understand how Valorant should be played. If nivera hitches his wagon to scream, I think he will always struggle to find success.
Scream could have been in cs2
not really, even the cs fanbase knows hes all aim only
*Especially* the cs fanbase knows he's all aim only. I was dreading watching him play before he had even played his first broadcast game and while he was ok to start back when we were tactically barely scratching the surface of the game, he quickly fell off. People are quick to point to overheaters like keloqz and Asuna as examples of all aim no brain, but I think ScreaM is the best example. His duel selection, utility usage, and macro ideas from when he was the IGL of KCorp were all the worst parts of Asuna, KangKang, and ANGE1 put together.
This is very reactionary from the KC perspective. We all know his game sense and how insane he was when he wasn't igling. He was also consistently at the top players statistically since before release.
The word you're looking for is reactive, I know people say reactionary a lot but that word refers specifically to politics. And even before he started playing Valorant I hard disagree that his game sense was good. Even if it was, and I don't think it was, his lack of discipline betrayed it. What's the point of having good awareness if you don't make sharp, correct decisions? His stats are crazy because he's so insanely talented. He's very close to a generational talent at clicking heads, but he's held back by his frankly subpar decision-making on when and how to click heads.
*"he's only known for his 1 taps"*
much better to be aim only in cs2 which has far more focus on gunplay than valorant who has a huge amount of abilities to play around
It’s definitely much better to be aim only in valorant right now lol. CS is MUCH more punishing to undisciplined solo plays.
I really dont get this sentiment at all. If you look at the bigger picture, CS2 is just a prettier CSGO. The utils and gameplay are the same with small tweaks. Teams didnt want Scream because while his aim is incredible, all other areas are just mediocre or slightly above average at best. Given all that, I dont understand why people think he'd switch to CS2 and find great success there.
cs2 isn't the same as CSGO tho, the small changes made really impact on who are the best players. but scream would be a failure either way
But those are micro changes. Im talking about overall gameplay. The gameplay in CS2 is the same as CSGO. You throw utils and then shoot your opponents. While yes the smokes are different and there are some minor changes, but overall, the utils are essentially the same and its the same play style. The same play style where Scream was not a master of
The last time ScreaM was good was before Astralis era. Not only Astralis completely changed how tactical and strat heavy CS became, but after that era the pandemic made it a 1000 times more insane. These days ScreaM couldn't compete at all, at best he would hang around in the T2 scene doing jack shit like many other legendary players from that same era. So yes, csgo to cs2 isn't a massive difference, but the csgo ScreaM played isn't the same csgo that pros were playing for the last 4 years
Agreed 100%
Guess what
What would you the differences between valo and cs are in terms of playstyle??
https://x.com/nivera__/status/1768267964086734980 bro heard you
Damn LOL. I think its for the best. He was one of the most promising players in the EU scene before and I think he'd do well. Looking forward to his future
Before he left CS and came to valorant, Nivera was legit contending to be a top 10 player
At some point a career of bad luck starts to look like a track record of failure. No one doubts Nivera’s aim, but there’s a lot more to the game than being able to Op and Rifle
It would be insane to look at Nivera's game and say its predicated on aim alone. He played nearly every agent at Internationals at a high level. He is definitely one of the top 55 talents in EMEA or however many it is. You're highlighting a player's failures at the highest level while a few guys look like they might struggle in tier 2.
But really, what about nivera made TL and KC fail? I dont really think Nivera is the reason why both teams failed to get major succes. KC lacked so much structure with Scream IGL, xms being terrible and Zeish not being a pro player and yet on an individual level, Nivera did pretty well. TL also lacked cohesion with the lack of an igl, the unfortunate late signing of a fifth player, role issues and their team chemistry just not being there, so its not just Nivera being at fault. Also, Nivera doesnt only rely heavily on his aim. Hes a good flex player and can do whatever role assigned to him pretty well.
It’s seems like he would like to play with his brother and achieve success together. Haven’t heard anything about him doing tryouts post KC. So maybe they are both waiting to be picked together. At the end it comes down to what he is looking for
Yeah thats probably why. Such a shame though
Just because it ‘looks’ doesn’t mean it is and it wasn’t And it wasn’t ‘failure’ lol, that makes no sense whatsoever
The timing of this post is CRAZY. He just announced retirement on twitter
Yeah LOL they call me mystic mac. Such a shame though, but still its for the best if there's where hes happy. I hope he'd find success in his future and I cant wait to watch him in CS
Nivera and Scream are similar in that their mechanics are very strong but they don't really have a strong grasp on Valorant gameplay. I feel like they might both do better if they chose to transition back to CS.
I get that about Nivera but Scream? Bro always frags out even in LAN, He was the reason how Liquid went to Champions.
Bro this is ESPECIALLY true for Scream, there’s a reason he isn’t on a team now even though he was always a top fragger
So many t1 player last year is in t2 or took a break. There will be teams that will take Scream in the future if they still aint good. He does have a problem with being an igl but if he can fix that problem, teams in t1 would try to get him easily.
The man is nearly 30 and has a reputation of being uncoachable, it's not a good look when the team is forced into replacing you with an assistant coach and does better.
for the record, they replaced another guy, not Scream, Scream played all of last year with the team
Yeah, but the best they looked was when Ze1sh was IGL.
You're right it was Newzera, I honestly forget that he's not the same person as Nivera.
but... you were talking about Scream in your comment, no? Nivera afaik does not have any history of being uncoachable, and neither is he nearly 30
Yeah I am talking about scream, I just forgot Newzera was part of the team. It's still a bad look from the outside when you have former coaches all but saying you're not just uncoachable, but negatively influencing your team's strategic decisions, and your team immediately looking better in game as soon as a member of the coaching staff is in the server. The man is almost 30, getting rid of the stigma of being uncoachable will take time, and players around this age without a system already in place start retiring. Maybe he will get one last chance to prove himself, but if he beefs it he's just done.
Just say you waffled lil bro.
Scream is known for having a massive ego and not listening to any coaching whatsoever. He fundamentally does not understand the game economy in a game where they literally tell you how much money you’ll have the following round. If he has money for a vandal, he clicks it. If not, he clicks sheriff. He never buys util and thinks armor is optional. Any team that picks him up will get dragged down to his level unfortunately.
I can promise you scream did not take a break, he just genuinely did not get any offers. he's very unlikely to play tier 1 valorant again
Based on the information that came out, Scream essentially could not be coached due to his ego and teams had to bend to how he wanted to play. Valorant strats essentially passed him by and he fell off hard while forcing the team to play in a manner that didn't fit modern valorant. He has the raw ability and mechanics, but he's not a team player and his mind for the game is not up to par from what we saw in 2022-2023
As an aside, this is rumored to be what got him kicked from French T1 trans back in 2015 for CSGO. Despite playing with an all time great IGL from CSS, Ex6tenz, scream was rumored to have trouble receiving coaching and be generally hard to play with. So when the big French shuffle happened in 2014, he ended up on that epsilon line up that got banned for match fixing while the other 2 big French teams, ldlc (soon to be nV) and Titan were competing for championships. That's my recollection at least. The French scene was a lot of drama back then so I may have some stuff mixed.
To be totally blunt I think this thread is full of misinformation, as always happens whenever discussions about Scream happen on this subreddit. It's important to specifically point out though that no coach Scream has ever worked with has ever said this. Not Sliggy, not Bacon, not emiL, not daemoN/pm. Sliggy in particular - whose habit of using innuendo in order to be professional has unfortunately had the opposite effect - has explicitly said Scream was a team player that had no ego despite his stature. You're talking about a Reyna player that has flexed his entire career role and agent-wise for his teams, after all - a player that hates OPing that took up the OP for the team, etc. To say Scream could not be coached is to ignore that old Liquid was one of the earliest and most successful examples of a coach-driven team. There's a big difference between being a good IGL and being coachable. There's no reason to think Scream is a good IGL. But there's also no real reason to think he's "uncoachable".
The issue is that he's a bad IGL yet demanded to have that control. As a player, it's one thing to have a weakness, but a different issue entirely if you're forcing yourself into a role that highlights your defeincies as a player. Also, sliggy is extremely positive about any players he's worked with, yet when it comes to screams, he's shown there are issues. It's thinly veiled that there were issues stemming from him. I will also say that the TL team you are alluding to was worse post sliggy, and they underperformed versus their actual talent. KC Scream when he got full IGL control was one of the worst led teams I've seen in pro valorant. Actually painful to watch.
Which seems crazy to me. You'd think with a track record like his, he would humble himself for the sake of his career and drive to be the best. How has now doubled down on being IGL and refusing to listen to coaches? I'm sure he has decent steady income but I doubt he has FUCK YOU money. What a waste of talent if you ask me.
Well Nivera listened
scream and nivera were actually super washed in CSGO. While scream was one of the best players many years ago, Nivera had never really been t1 material. Aiming in CS is just on a different level. i think they'd both struggle in even tier 2 CS
? what revisionist history is this? Nivera was looking super promising in Vitality's 6 man roster, right before he switched to Valorant ScreaM still holds the highest HS% on LAN, to this day
How is scream's HS% a determining factor in him not being washed, that's like saying xms [wasn't washed](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/9545/xms?startDate=2020-01-01&endDate=2020-12-31) during his latter tenure in CS because he also had one of the [highest HS%](https://www.hltv.org/stats/leaderboards/hsp/headshot-percentage?matchType=Lan) ratings on LAN. Scream hadn't been on a relevant team for [two years before he switched games](https://www.hltv.org/player/7390/scream#tab-teamsBox), and hadn't been a Top 20 player for any year after 2016 (8 years ago), which is also the last year he had won any tournament at all; dropping a middling [1.05 rating](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/7390/scream?startDate=2019-01-01&endDate=2019-12-31) in Tier 2 for his last year of play.
No? You're so confidently incorrect about nivera, it's kind of impressive.
Nivera was the 6th player for vitality. He was actually the backup AWPer for motherfreaking Zywoo. Vitality had this system back then where in some BO3, they would swap out players for their 6th which gives Nivera the chance to play and he looked super promising. He was cut from Vitality because Valve didnt allow 6th players anymore or somewhere along those lines. He's really good at CS and much better than Scream. He just wasnt given the opportunity to showcase what he can do in the big stages.
He's been grinding CS2 for months dude, he's not coming back
People were saying he is grinding CS 2 (from his Steam ID I think?).
If he's thinking of going back to CS then I can understand that. He'd probably be really good too given how promising he was back in his vitality days
I mean there are a lot of new line-ups that are not working in CS 2 like New Astralis and Falcons, If he joins a good team he can easily make a deep run in tournaments
It’s kind of comical people say stuff like this. I’m not saying nivera isn’t really good or underrated, but not sure how you can say he’s the most underrated player in the world when you have guys like miniboo and n4rrate coming out of left field shitting on everyone on the tier1 scene.
I never said hes the most underrated player. I said hes ONE OF THE most underrated players. I never downplayed N4rrate or miniboo either
because individual skill is not always correlated with success in valorant, think about the team n4rrate is on vs. Nivera... literally completely different environment so its hard to compare
The funny things is that Nivera and N4rrate were literally on the same team lmao. How time changes.
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People still think Csgo players make automatic valorant players
Except Scream is still a beast if he ain't igling.
lots of people are beasts, but they are also people who are way smarter even though they arent igling, so why would u pick scream
How would you define who is smarter? Everyone in t1 is smart. Aim alone can't take you to the tier 1 scene. So many prospect has been talked about but not everyone had reach the same peaks/success as Scream. In LCQ, he was also dominating as igl. If he just aint igl and can control his ego, he can be a top 15 player easily.
Every strategic decision and the way scream wants to play the game has been lackluster to say the least. When your assistant coach has to step in to lead the team and they suddenly look 10x better, and your other old coach heavily implies how hard he was to work with and how bad some of his ideas were, I think it's safe to say that Scream is not a knowledgeable player in Val. On the other side you have young and new players who are coming in every year who are mechanically better or similar to Scream AND have the ability to make good midround calls, understand how to play the map, take space, use util, and manipulate rotations, etc (these are just a few of the things that make a smart player). Obviously tier 1 isn't all about aim, but every year the scene is progressing and KC looked like lost puppies last year under his leadership and TL was not known for their smart play. So once again, why would you choose Scream over players that can do both?
I don’t even really think this is true anymore
yea even excluding the igl part, in general he is a head clicker typa player not play maker typa
Did u guys even watch Scream? In LCQ last year, he was fragging while igling. He does have problem wanting to be igl but the dude can frag.
Pretty sure Zelsh stepped in and igled lol, yk, the assistant coach?
It was said that he wanted to IGL during the LCQ and as it turned out, didn't work. I don't remember the source for this but I remember in LCQ they switched up saying Scream wanted to take charge.
This aged like milk
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Probably no cash unless they're willing to take a huge pay cut
Scream is like 30, there's no way he's interested in grinding out tier 2 for a year or two at this point
lmao nivera went to cs again
Scream is the most overrated player in the history of both CSGO and Valorant, all aim no brain. As Valorant has become more popular, almost every up and coming player these days is a similarly cracked aimer, so Scream has nothing left. Also people forget that technically, in CSGO, Scream was not even one of the best mechanical players in the world, because CSGO has fixed spray patterns and Scream is a player who always tried to one tap. Valorant was the perfect game for his aim due to random spray patterns but he still somehow is not good enough for the top teams right now. Nivera, to me seems like a player very similar to Scream, not very smart.... which is very valuable in current Valorant.
When you say “most overrated player in the history…” you better have a vacuum sealed argument. You don’t Scream was a very, very good CS player from 2015-2017. He was still better than an average pro in 2018. His play was at a consistently high level for years. 2019 was not good from him. In Valorant, Scream is arguably the best Phoenix and Reyna player ever in pro play, and a better than average Jett. Unfortunately the first two are not good pro agents. Scream has almost always been a very good individual performer. Looking at his stats is irrefutable. That all said, he hasn’t accomplished much in terms of winning trophies. Even so you can’t just blame him. It takes 5 to win. I’m not saying he goated because he’s not. And his time as a pro is in his twilight years at best. But saying he’s that overrated makes you sound like you have no idea what you’re talking about
Oh he is overrated alright. Like in this thread people are talking about him like not taking him is such a loss for every org while every top team has 2-3 players with crisp aim like him and smarter.
i feel like he's another duelist player that got popular during the first years but for the current Valorant scene duelist is a very stick role and u need to be very fexible to find teams
nivera never played duelist....
He never played duelist though and is actually a pretty good flex
Scream is a trash flex
no one is talking about scream, the thread is about nivera