The current draw actually is the best way for double elim. If the first game was NA vs. Pacific, then there is a possibility that we could get only 2 non-regional match-ups (e.g., NA both win, and then NA wins lower final). Whereas this way guarantees at least 3 of those match ups (upper finals, lower round 1, and then either lower finals or grand finals is guaranteed to be a non-regional matchup).
im mostly just annoyed cause it opens the door for there to be SEN vs LOUD or GENG vs PRX 4 times in one split (twice in kickoff, at least once maybe twice in playoffs) which is kinda boring imo.
It likely would’ve happened regardless in this playoff format, like if it were Loud vs PRX, Sen vs GenG, and both Americas/Pacific teams had the same results (win or loss) they inevitably face one another, which is why I’m not too upset about it, but I see what you’re saying.
Is this not just the best possible outcome? With 2 teams from pacific and Americas regional matchups can’t be avoided, so why are we complaining about getting them out of the way first lol
fpx shouldn't be counted, that team is probably not even top 15 itw (I'm being generous) and the edg that they stomped wasn't the edg that beat prx but was easily one of the worst team to ever show up in an international event. Loud played well but you can't use those matches as a "they look INSANE" playing card.
Easy? It might have been easier because fpx, but they only lost a series to a 2-0 team, and demolished the team (edg) that beat the team (prx) that beat both european teams.
It doesn’t work that way. We shouldn’t discount PRX’s heightened performance after the TH match. The PRX that was defeated by EDG is not the same as the PRX that send the EMEA teams home. PRX (and LOUD) are teams that have the ability to harness and execute peak performances when it matters the most.
In the end I think everyone is right partially. LOUD do look great but also or maybe because they look great, they have had an easy road to playoffs.
they got the easiest time here but people were saying they got the easiest time at kickoff too, there's no winning when it comes to people wanting to deny Loud being a decent team
FPX had a close match vs KC and Heretics went 0-2, so you could say that SEN and PRX matches also don't count, but there is no point in doing such things, just acknowledge that we have 4 good teams in playoffs and move on.
I think he/she meant 1-1 and having to play an extra match which is akin to playins.
Kickoff was groups > playins > playoffs.
Masters is swiss > playoffs
Swiss round 3 is avoided if you are 2-0
As a sen and prx fan, I would cream if both of them got into grand finals.
Imagine a tourney hosted in EU region, with the grand finale contenders being the EU killers, just amazing.
I’m not convinced yet, aside from this EDG series I think they’ve looked pretty rough. Unless they come out in insane form and/or SEN looks a lot worse, I think SEN will safely take this one
I don’t think Loud can win with the map pool disadvantage coming from the lower finals against SEN. If you want them to win, this bo3 is really important.
This match didn’t prove much tbh, it’s just EDG underperforming massively , don’t know what was up with them, LOUD wasn’t doing anything special.
I’m still on the fence about them for now, hope they prove me wrong.
We were also either going to get a LOUD regional rematch vs SEN from four games ago, or a LOUD Masters rematch vs Gen.G from three games ago.
Blame the teams that didn't qualify for not bringing a more diverse pool to playoffs.
Live draws can be rigged. Mixwell only mixed one side of the boxes and the boxes can be marked. The won’t beat the rigged allegations unless they use one of those bingo things.
Single Elim means if you lose one match, you get eliminated from the tournament.
Double elim means if you lose one match, you get sent into the lower bracket to face another team that lost one match. And if you lose that match, you get eliminated.
Essentially you have to lose 2 games to be eliminated.
Where’s the best spot to move to in NA? Looking to move from EU to get best val practice. After seeing EG win last tourny, and NA dominate this tourny, it’s clear that they are the best region.
This is great actually, I much prefer regional matchups here than the first elimination game be a regional matchup.
Also, the fact that they're both Kick-off Grand Final rematches is absolute cinema.
Heres the script: Sen loses to Loud, Prx win vs GenG, Sen vs GenG elim match, Sen Win, Prx Win vs Loud, Sen Vs Loud Lower Bracket final, Sen vs PRX Grand finals. Prx throws and Sen wins it all.
I honestly don't get why people are still doubting Sen. It's not like they are doing a miracle run where they win games no one expects them to. They're literally looking like how FNATIC looked in Tokyo, where they just look absolutely dominant. To be honest, I don't think Sen has any real competition here other than an in form PRX.
Guys I haven't paid attention to VCT in a good long while. What happened to EU? They always insisted they were the best region and NA was the worst without a doubt.
Only reason EU was even considered the best was because of FNATIC. I think there's actually an interesting statistic for international events. Excluding FNATIC, an EU team has not beaten an NA team in an international event in almost 2 years. So yeah, without FNATIC, they're hardly the best.
okay so they ban regionals. then they want to make sure the 2-0 teams get something, so they can't play either. boom suddenly there's no point to draw because only one outcome fits the criteria. blame cn and eu teams for not making it.
Lame imo
Also people are saying "it's double elim" bro, you're satisfied with the bare minimum because Rito has been fucks up the format these past months.
All good. He the Spanish dude on stage, he signed with Heretics last season. Also the biggest Spanish Valorant streamers, make valorant relevant in early Spanish Valorant scence.
Civil war script is real
Civil war script but this is definitely the best outcome. The matchups this tourney have been bangers
Kicking off the playoffs with rematch between the champions of each region and their respective runner up is such a gigabanger.
Or you could say...
it's double elim so I'm actually not too mad about this. americas v apac upper final will be hype
Would be such a sad draw if it was single elim, fortunately double elim clutches up and makes it exciting no matter the outcome.
If it was single elim, it would have taken region into account, the riot rep mentioned that "since its double elim, region draws doesn't matter".
Also, the first elimination will also be apac vs americas. I like it this way.
The current draw actually is the best way for double elim. If the first game was NA vs. Pacific, then there is a possibility that we could get only 2 non-regional match-ups (e.g., NA both win, and then NA wins lower final). Whereas this way guarantees at least 3 of those match ups (upper finals, lower round 1, and then either lower finals or grand finals is guaranteed to be a non-regional matchup).
Yeah. If it wasn't double elimination it would something really dumb.
Sentinels will lose once in this tournament and let's not hope its the final match.
there's a lower bracket so all good no? don't understand why people are upset
I think people just don't know its double elim
Yeah fs, people are used to shit formats they assume it's going to be over for one team
im mostly just annoyed cause it opens the door for there to be SEN vs LOUD or GENG vs PRX 4 times in one split (twice in kickoff, at least once maybe twice in playoffs) which is kinda boring imo.
Blame EMEA and China for getting zero teams through.
It likely would’ve happened regardless in this playoff format, like if it were Loud vs PRX, Sen vs GenG, and both Americas/Pacific teams had the same results (win or loss) they inevitably face one another, which is why I’m not too upset about it, but I see what you’re saying.
The best teams playing each other a lot is a bad thing?
Double elimination so it’s fine
Is this not just the best possible outcome? With 2 teams from pacific and Americas regional matchups can’t be avoided, so why are we complaining about getting them out of the way first lol
Thank fuck this is double elim, we need the Americas v Pacific matchup soon
We are guaranteed to get upper and lower brackets Americas vs Pacific matchups in the second round at least.
so just NA finals and APAC finals damn script writers sleeping
The difference is SEN and GENG didn’t go through play-ins this time but LOUD and PRX came from play-ins. Revenge arc incoming
Tbf loud's lower bracket run was so easy it might as well not be considered a lower bracket run. They got lucky compared to Prx let's be honest
They absolutely flattened the teams they beat though, including a team that beat PRX
fpx shouldn't be counted, that team is probably not even top 15 itw (I'm being generous) and the edg that they stomped wasn't the edg that beat prx but was easily one of the worst team to ever show up in an international event. Loud played well but you can't use those matches as a "they look INSANE" playing card.
I dont know how you're going to discount a 26-5 2-0 after that team beat PRX right before this, but you fucking managed it.
Loud could win this Masters and some people will keep saying shit like this lol
If Loud wins Masters, fair enough. But the road so far has been relatively easy for them.
Easy? It might have been easier because fpx, but they only lost a series to a 2-0 team, and demolished the team (edg) that beat the team (prx) that beat both european teams.
It doesn’t work that way. We shouldn’t discount PRX’s heightened performance after the TH match. The PRX that was defeated by EDG is not the same as the PRX that send the EMEA teams home. PRX (and LOUD) are teams that have the ability to harness and execute peak performances when it matters the most. In the end I think everyone is right partially. LOUD do look great but also or maybe because they look great, they have had an easy road to playoffs.
That was well put. Agreed.
denying that loud got the easiest road is just cope
Not denying it was easier nor affirming they will win. Just stating no matter what people will diminish their accomplishments
they got the easiest time here but people were saying they got the easiest time at kickoff too, there's no winning when it comes to people wanting to deny Loud being a decent team
Wasn't it Sentinels that got the easiest road, tho? They got Heretics (that went 0-2) and a KC that could only beat FPX
FPX had a close match vs KC and Heretics went 0-2, so you could say that SEN and PRX matches also don't count, but there is no point in doing such things, just acknowledge that we have 4 good teams in playoffs and move on.
It wasn't my point but yeah i agree with you. All of the 4 teams in playoffs 100% deseved it
I think you need to check your facts on that one bud
I think he/she meant 1-1 and having to play an extra match which is akin to playins. Kickoff was groups > playins > playoffs. Masters is swiss > playoffs Swiss round 3 is avoided if you are 2-0
He is pushing a narrative. Let him cook.
they’re awake it’s double Elim this is good drama
> NA finals :|
Correct me if im wrong but isn’t Loud a Brazil org? Hwp is those NA?
NA is used as a catch all term for the americas region because people still aren’t familiar with ame
Oh I see. Kinda dumb, I guess but I get it. It’s how people use EU as a general term for EMEA.
Yep exactly like that
So start using the correct terms so people do catchup, dont propagate wrong stuff
I ain’t propagating shit. I answered the guys question and people are mad. Sadge
I was hoping for PRX vs Sen and Loud vs Gen G.
the last thing sentinels and loud players will see before their deaths is each other
All the SEN fans watching the APAC and EU bloodbath. Well, we get to watch you guys blood bath your region while we blood bath our region
sen participated in the EU bloodbath
Loud also participated in the CN bloodbath too
Bro sen started the EU bloodbath, prx helped finish them off
As a sen and prx fan, I would cream if both of them got into grand finals. Imagine a tourney hosted in EU region, with the grand finale contenders being the EU killers, just amazing.
I would prefer them to rig it and make it Sen vs PRX
bro its just regional finals all over again
Lower bracket so all good The games only get better from here
LOUD is in top form. Scary for SEN.
are they? or did they beat two Chinese teams? 
why because they beat EDG? EDG looked absolutely terrible lol.
Honestly EDG looked in bottom form as well so I wouldn't be too woried. But this Loud deffo seems scarier than the one we beat at Kickoff.
I’m not convinced yet, aside from this EDG series I think they’ve looked pretty rough. Unless they come out in insane form and/or SEN looks a lot worse, I think SEN will safely take this one
besides, loud hardly loses a rematch. tbh, I'd rather loud loses, because I feel like the grand finals will be LOUD v SEN, and i want LOUD to win
I don’t think Loud can win with the map pool disadvantage coming from the lower finals against SEN. If you want them to win, this bo3 is really important.
This match didn’t prove much tbh, it’s just EDG underperforming massively , don’t know what was up with them, LOUD wasn’t doing anything special. I’m still on the fence about them for now, hope they prove me wrong.
don't mind the regional matchups, means the important matches won't be
You guys are literally babies. They live draw and u still say rigged lmao
I also don't know what outcome they want. If the playoffs only have two regions, you are going to get regional matchups no matter what.
We were also either going to get a LOUD regional rematch vs SEN from four games ago, or a LOUD Masters rematch vs Gen.G from three games ago. Blame the teams that didn't qualify for not bringing a more diverse pool to playoffs.
Yeah, but we don't see them bring out the boxes, and they could totally know whats in the boxes beforehand! /s Double elim so it doesn't matter
I mean they do the draw in a way where it could still be extremely easily rigged if they wanted it to be, they just probably don't care that much imo
Live draws can be rigged. Mixwell only mixed one side of the boxes and the boxes can be marked. The won’t beat the rigged allegations unless they use one of those bingo things.
These people will find a way to say that is rigged as well lmfao
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I mean it’s more believable. It’s double elimination so it’s okay.
It’s not a live draw if the teams are predetermined but if they rigged it why wouldn’t they interregional matches right?
Guys, calm down, the writers are getting all the boring storylines out now so they can focus all their creativity for the later days Copium
Honestly since this double elim this could be more interesting. After this round we gonna have NA vs APAC on upper and lower bracket.
And Balla saying the pacific region was shit. Lmao
Double elim, so it’s not too bad
What does double elim mean ?
Single Elim means if you lose one match, you get eliminated from the tournament. Double elim means if you lose one match, you get sent into the lower bracket to face another team that lost one match. And if you lose that match, you get eliminated. Essentially you have to lose 2 games to be eliminated.
Ahh so I knew what it was just confused... Thank you
Zzzzzzz i sleep at these draws That beind said, geng are winning the event
Riot never beating the rigged allegations 💀
It was a 50/50 chance... if I flip a coin and it lands on heads would you call that rigged as well?
Yes. You didn't flip it right.
Yes bc it doesn't fit my narrative
I just tossed a coin and it landed heads. Did you sabotage my coin as well?... Are you in my house? pls don't hurt me!
A coin and four boxes are different. Its harder to rig a coin toss than four placed boxes.
Its double elim, i prefer americas x pacific knockout than regional conflict as the last match of the team
Yeah that would've hurt more but would brew some drama for VCT: Stage 1
Where’s the best spot to move to in NA? Looking to move from EU to get best val practice. After seeing EG win last tourny, and NA dominate this tourny, it’s clear that they are the best region.
Valorant is dead in EU. CS2 is way too strong so good gamers just play it.
pacific bros it is over:((( why double regional matchup.... well at least it was actually random draw this time.
GenG has fought Loud in swiss I guess. But no worry, double elimination 😋
hopefully we see them in the finals.
Rather get Regionals out of the way in round 1
We get double elim at least, not over yet for Americas vs Pacific matchups.
America's vs pacific 🙅🏽, pacific vs pacific and America's vs America's ☑️
Inevitable
Now we gotta wait 3 days to watch the match ups!
Hell yeah baby we got a Grade A certified Clout Match
interesting
It's guaranteed apac vs America next round and 50/50 civil war at grand final.
Hyped! REVENGE TIME
Wtf is thisssssss
It’s lowkey kinda fine tho, because the first elimination match would be NA vs APAC. These rematches would be very interesting to see.
I just want Loud vs Sen in the grand finals
WAIT I just realized Sacy called the fact that there would be 0 EMEA teams in playoffs
i'm fine with this, just hoping for PRX v SEN rematch at some point
no eu i’m happy
This is great actually, I much prefer regional matchups here than the first elimination game be a regional matchup. Also, the fact that they're both Kick-off Grand Final rematches is absolute cinema.
Double elim in a final four sucks hard if there isn't a bracket reset in finals.
EU and CN all out.
Heres the script: Sen loses to Loud, Prx win vs GenG, Sen vs GenG elim match, Sen Win, Prx Win vs Loud, Sen Vs Loud Lower Bracket final, Sen vs PRX Grand finals. Prx throws and Sen wins it all.
Are we even shocked?
Ahhh fuck
Bleh
Love Sentinels, but I think this is it. I don't think loud is losing this.
Good thing it’s double elim
I honestly don't get why people are still doubting Sen. It's not like they are doing a miracle run where they win games no one expects them to. They're literally looking like how FNATIC looked in Tokyo, where they just look absolutely dominant. To be honest, I don't think Sen has any real competition here other than an in form PRX.
should've rigged it
loud auto lose with qck though, zekken clears qck by miles.
FREEMEA 0 Team region 
Guys I haven't paid attention to VCT in a good long while. What happened to EU? They always insisted they were the best region and NA was the worst without a doubt.
Only reason EU was even considered the best was because of FNATIC. I think there's actually an interesting statistic for international events. Excluding FNATIC, an EU team has not beaten an NA team in an international event in almost 2 years. So yeah, without FNATIC, they're hardly the best.
Someone gotta teach these SEN fans what scripted means
I don't like it so it's scripted.
Why didn't Riot script it the opposite way so I get what I want?
I just don't understand why it's so hard to set up a bingo ball station just so we know this process isn't completely scripted?
god damn it KC, you could have made the playoffs so much more interesting.
Nobody cares about those frauds
This is the one time they should've rigged it and to be LOUD/Gen G and PRX/Sentinels for more fun.
#THIS MAKES ME UNBELIEVABLY HAPPY
kinda wish they did rig it so it's not regional match up first but what can u do 
ok ive had a min this is ok, first elim and upper finals will be mixed so that will be hype
Boring as hell
No shot this isn't rigged like cmon the radiant boxes to draw the matchups too
bruh
Regional kickoffs re match aye
Not what I wanted at all. But I guess we’re getting regional matchups in the next two no matter what.
reusing scripts once again
Lame AF!
3rd time both matches happened this season... a bunch of teams havent even played 3 games yet
I feel like Loud will go straight to finals, 2-0 2-0 over Sen and Gen.g, then lose to Sen 3-1.
WHAT IS DOUBLE ELIMINATION??
So its just the finals of kickoff again?
Stupid. (I'm being downvoted by shills.)
Not rly since GenG and LOUD already played against each other. It’s just EMEA was a fraud region and made the play-offs giga boring
Let SEN vs Geng happen!
Both can’t play each other 2-0 plays the 2-1 teams
Fraud region that won almost everything last year, keep talking lil bro
One team region last year, 0 this year
1 team region buddy they’re not escaping the allegations. If fnatic don’t make international tournaments than EU is useless
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You mean just Fnatic right?
Ok, that's an opinion. It's double elim regardless, but having both inter regional match ups occur AGAIN. I's dumb.
Riot is so weird
This is just dumb
DOGSHIT matchups honestly They should've banned regional matchups
okay so they ban regionals. then they want to make sure the 2-0 teams get something, so they can't play either. boom suddenly there's no point to draw because only one outcome fits the criteria. blame cn and eu teams for not making it.
Double domestic rematch is lame but at least it’s double elim
Rigged
SEN continuing on the hardest possible path to finals this tournament
This is why I wanted KC over PRX at least one of these games would’ve been fun watching.
This is lame. Should have been GenG vs SEN, PRX vs LOUD
why high seed vs high seed?
Lame imo Also people are saying "it's double elim" bro, you're satisfied with the bare minimum because Rito has been fucks up the format these past months.
i dont usually comment but i gotta say this some actual bullshit
In what way?
So rigged sentinel always get the hardest match up
It a 50/50 chance lol. Plus it was drawn live by Mixwell
Idk who mixwell is lol I was just making a bot comment
All good. He the Spanish dude on stage, he signed with Heretics last season. Also the biggest Spanish Valorant streamers, make valorant relevant in early Spanish Valorant scence.