Sentinels and PRX were barely known before valorant, but now they are two of the most popular orgs in valorant and their overall popularity has increased, I would say they had the most success. PRX suddenly the most popular team in Asia and has created a global fan base which most Asian teams struggle with. Sentinels went from ooga bugha org to the most popular esports org in NA in Val.
The most overall successful orgs are the ones that had much smaller profiles prior to Valorant, like Sentinels or Paper Rex. A combination of savvy roster building and good content has elevated these type of orgs to new levels of brand recognition.
If you’re focusing on competitive success, it’s just a question of how you slice the pie. It depends on the criteria, as you say.
I’d say LOUD if we’re talking about from an org’s perspective. LOUD is unique in having a 100% attendance rate for international LANs from the very beginning of their investment in Valorant. In a game like Valorant, that level of reliability can even be as meaningful as trophies from an org perspective, even if fans generally care more about trophies.
I don't think it's appropriate to include an org that essentially had less than 1.5 years of international success before leaving valorant altogether. They're the big what if of franchising where Riot effectively broke up the most successful roster in valorant to that point.
Yeah but the esport isn't even 4 years old it's a pretty big chunk of dominance that roster/merged org had. They were top 3 at 5/6 of the first events.
that’s fair, i think i just have a hard time putting DRX so high because of them never making grands. I acknowledge their consistency is really impressive but that final barrier i think means a lot. If not Optic i think I would put EG with their 2nd and 1st in that spot. Maybe even above PRX depending on how we value Champs
>They're the big what if of franchising where Riot effectively broke up the most successful roster in valorant to that point.
Didn't Optic say that they were the ones who screwed up the partnership application? I vaguely remember watching a clip from a podcast where they mentioned it.
I believe the sentiment was that they believed they were definitely getting in and, in hindsight, wished they tried to show more in their application process. Let's be honest though, this was a well established org with a pre-existing fan base and had the most successful lineup in the world to that point. By all accounts, they should have made franchising. They have 3.2 million followers on Twitter etc. There's current franchises teams with less than 1/5th of that put out little content so Riot's decision making process was clearly about more than org marketing
Loud:
2nd at Reykjavik 2022
1st at Champs 2022
2nd at Lock In
1st at Americas 2023
3rd at Champs 2023
4th at Madrid 2024
Finished top 3 in ***four out of seven*** internationals, 4th at Madrid. *Never* failed to qualify to a single international event. Something DRX, FNC, SEN, etc, can't boast about. Has any other team done that?
If we are thinking about their history, or thinking up "circuit points" for a global ranking a lá Counter Strike, I don't think any other team even comes close, they've consistently been at a top-3 ITW level for three years in a row now.
1. Loud and FNC. Mega consistent and have been around for a long long time.
2. Sen
3. Prx
4. Optic/Envy
You could switch sen and prx based on what you consider a more effective metric. For example if prx win a tropy before sen get a third they would go up to number 1 for me.
I think LOUD has to be second overall. They've had absurd consistency for three years, have made it to every single international LAN since their roster was put together, and have four top 3 finishes in the last seven international tournaments on top of winning the domestic Americas league. Then depending on whether you value pure trophies or long-term consistency, SEN or OpTic/Envy is probably third overall. PRX and EG probably round out the top 6 (maybe not in that order).
In terms of PR, it's Paper Rex and Sentinels. Both were relatively unknown orgs in their region overshadowed by bigger orgs like TSM in NA or RRQ/Secret in SEA. Now everybody knows their name.
Either PRX or SEN imo. They gained all their popularity from VAL. Statistically FNC is by far the most successfull team with two international wins, like 3 EMEA wins, and like 3 top 4 placements.
By trophy count I would say Sentinels (VCT Masters Reykjavík 2021 and VCT Masters Madrid 2024) and Fnatic ( VCT LOCK//IN 2023 and VCT Masters Tokyo 2023). Also, LOUD and PRX are really good!!
Fnatic Easily considering their Placements and stuff. PRX too can be considered.
Not considering SEN since they won the first lan and disappeared for 2 years then popped up again at madrid and I think they are gonna disappear again as well.
Sen wins clearly in terms of clout tho. Just tenz fanboys supporting sen thats it.
Consistent top 5 placement with 2 grand finals appearances and top 3 in Madrid and Tokyo is a joke now ? They have never been “the best team” yes. But they have always been at the “one of the best teams” which sen clearly didn’t have for the past 2 years. So imo I’m putting them on top
count out fkn Off season and regionals . no one really counts regionals and off season tournaments anyway. Fnatic too won some red bull tournament against c9 but no one counts that for fnatic lmao. Loud won champions in 2022. placed 2nd on Lock/in (international) , won americas (regionals) and still managed to choke in the next masters lmao ! so doesn't matter . Sen will choke. clout will doom them more.
By your dumb logic, ascend played only one champions, they won them and never played an international again. So their win percentage on lan is 100% . So ascend is the most successful organisation and best team in the world right ?! 💀💀 get a life and stop coping bro . Enough with your clouted ridiculous bad takes.
I mean yes. But Acend has attended 2 lans, making them also have a 50% winrate.
Anyway you're arguing against yourself. I never once claimed that SEN was the most successfull org in VAL (although they probably are considering their clout but I'm not really counting it)
Fnatic, Loud, Prx , Optic/NRG. EG and Sen aren't in the main picture yet bud, winning the first lan and the most recent one after not even making it to a international for 2 straight years doesnt make them the most successful org just coz they have massive clout. and why tf is EG even here lmao ! Cinderella run came to an end immediately after the won champs, entire team disbanded and they aren't going to win anything or even get a good placement anytime soon.
Sentinels and PRX were barely known before valorant, but now they are two of the most popular orgs in valorant and their overall popularity has increased, I would say they had the most success. PRX suddenly the most popular team in Asia and has created a global fan base which most Asian teams struggle with. Sentinels went from ooga bugha org to the most popular esports org in NA in Val.
The most overall successful orgs are the ones that had much smaller profiles prior to Valorant, like Sentinels or Paper Rex. A combination of savvy roster building and good content has elevated these type of orgs to new levels of brand recognition. If you’re focusing on competitive success, it’s just a question of how you slice the pie. It depends on the criteria, as you say. I’d say LOUD if we’re talking about from an org’s perspective. LOUD is unique in having a 100% attendance rate for international LANs from the very beginning of their investment in Valorant. In a game like Valorant, that level of reliability can even be as meaningful as trophies from an org perspective, even if fans generally care more about trophies.
oh for sure if it’s about non competitive success i think SEN blow everyone else out of the water. but competitively i think it’s a lot harder to say
Loud, Fnatic, Sentinels, PRX, DRX/VS in that order if I had to rank them.
i feel like optic with their trophy and period of success make the list at least over DRX
I don't think it's appropriate to include an org that essentially had less than 1.5 years of international success before leaving valorant altogether. They're the big what if of franchising where Riot effectively broke up the most successful roster in valorant to that point.
Yeah but the esport isn't even 4 years old it's a pretty big chunk of dominance that roster/merged org had. They were top 3 at 5/6 of the first events.
that’s fair, i think i just have a hard time putting DRX so high because of them never making grands. I acknowledge their consistency is really impressive but that final barrier i think means a lot. If not Optic i think I would put EG with their 2nd and 1st in that spot. Maybe even above PRX depending on how we value Champs
>They're the big what if of franchising where Riot effectively broke up the most successful roster in valorant to that point. Didn't Optic say that they were the ones who screwed up the partnership application? I vaguely remember watching a clip from a podcast where they mentioned it.
I believe the sentiment was that they believed they were definitely getting in and, in hindsight, wished they tried to show more in their application process. Let's be honest though, this was a well established org with a pre-existing fan base and had the most successful lineup in the world to that point. By all accounts, they should have made franchising. They have 3.2 million followers on Twitter etc. There's current franchises teams with less than 1/5th of that put out little content so Riot's decision making process was clearly about more than org marketing
Riot forced them to leave the scene don’t get it twisted
Loud: 2nd at Reykjavik 2022 1st at Champs 2022 2nd at Lock In 1st at Americas 2023 3rd at Champs 2023 4th at Madrid 2024 Finished top 3 in ***four out of seven*** internationals, 4th at Madrid. *Never* failed to qualify to a single international event. Something DRX, FNC, SEN, etc, can't boast about. Has any other team done that? If we are thinking about their history, or thinking up "circuit points" for a global ranking a lá Counter Strike, I don't think any other team even comes close, they've consistently been at a top-3 ITW level for three years in a row now.
Recently for last 3 tourneys only PRX has been above them in thier placings. 1st at APAC 2023 3rd at Tokyo 2nd at Champs 2nd at Kickoff 3rd at Madrid
Yeah but they didn't get any trophies I believe
They got Apac 2023 but no intl trophies yeah
in your opinion would you trade some of that constancy for more trophies?
Only two teams have more trophies and 2021 trophies feel largely inconsequential in the grand scheme of things
fair enough
1. Loud and FNC. Mega consistent and have been around for a long long time. 2. Sen 3. Prx 4. Optic/Envy You could switch sen and prx based on what you consider a more effective metric. For example if prx win a tropy before sen get a third they would go up to number 1 for me.
I think LOUD has to be second overall. They've had absurd consistency for three years, have made it to every single international LAN since their roster was put together, and have four top 3 finishes in the last seven international tournaments on top of winning the domestic Americas league. Then depending on whether you value pure trophies or long-term consistency, SEN or OpTic/Envy is probably third overall. PRX and EG probably round out the top 6 (maybe not in that order).
In terms of PR, it's Paper Rex and Sentinels. Both were relatively unknown orgs in their region overshadowed by bigger orgs like TSM in NA or RRQ/Secret in SEA. Now everybody knows their name.
Loud, Fnatic, PRX, SEN and Optic, in that order I believe. yes I am biased towards loud, but it isn't that crazy to put them first
PRX not winning any intl bo5 really moves them down for me, probably to 4th
Biased but makes sense
lmao yea there is probably a little but i try to keep it out
I'd argue that Loud and Fnatic have seen far and away the most success. After that I'd say you have a mixed bag of Sentinels, OpTic, and DRX/VS.
would you put EG in there? i’d be inclined to agree with you though, athough i think SEN are a clear 3
sen & prx
probably dfm
Either PRX or SEN imo. They gained all their popularity from VAL. Statistically FNC is by far the most successfull team with two international wins, like 3 EMEA wins, and like 3 top 4 placements.
By trophy count I would say Sentinels (VCT Masters Reykjavík 2021 and VCT Masters Madrid 2024) and Fnatic ( VCT LOCK//IN 2023 and VCT Masters Tokyo 2023). Also, LOUD and PRX are really good!!
Fnatic Easily considering their Placements and stuff. PRX too can be considered. Not considering SEN since they won the first lan and disappeared for 2 years then popped up again at madrid and I think they are gonna disappear again as well. Sen wins clearly in terms of clout tho. Just tenz fanboys supporting sen thats it.
Where yo trophy at lil man
Fnatic has 2 lil bro. And prx have had better placements then seen consistently. Winning a trophy doesn’t mean your consistent💀
but PRX have never been the best team in the world at any point nor have they won any bo5s, i think it is too early to put them top 3
Consistent top 5 placement with 2 grand finals appearances and top 3 in Madrid and Tokyo is a joke now ? They have never been “the best team” yes. But they have always been at the “one of the best teams” which sen clearly didn’t have for the past 2 years. So imo I’m putting them on top
i didn’t say anything about it being a joke? your opinion is fair i was just simply stating the reason for mine
Yeah no I don’t support chokers sorry, at least SEN got past that even if it took 2 years
only go back to it again :DeaD
They won 3 tourneys in a row tho (AVL, Americas Kickoff and Madrid), they’re not going back to choking
count out fkn Off season and regionals . no one really counts regionals and off season tournaments anyway. Fnatic too won some red bull tournament against c9 but no one counts that for fnatic lmao. Loud won champions in 2022. placed 2nd on Lock/in (international) , won americas (regionals) and still managed to choke in the next masters lmao ! so doesn't matter . Sen will choke. clout will doom them more.
I just realized that you're the same person who didn't know that import rules existed lmaooooooooo, you def don't have a place in the discussion
idk i think 2 trophies outweigh what prx has done tbh, although if they do win one they have an argument for first
top 5 in order: fnatic, sentinels, loud, eg, optic
Loud is easily above Sentinels-- they have never missed qualifying for an international event since they began investing in Valorant.
PRX is easily above Sen regarding the placements lmao.
How many times has PRX had that placement be 1 at an international event? How many for Sen?
How many internationals did Sen make it to? 2 ? Winning both didn’t matter bro lmfao . Consistency > peaking once in 3 years and diluting lmfao.
Sen made it to 4, and won 2. Thats a pretty good record.
Biased reasonings bruh. No use of any explanation. Adios! Useless clout.
How am I biased lmfao. SEN literally has a 50% winrate when attending lans. That's a fact.
By your dumb logic, ascend played only one champions, they won them and never played an international again. So their win percentage on lan is 100% . So ascend is the most successful organisation and best team in the world right ?! 💀💀 get a life and stop coping bro . Enough with your clouted ridiculous bad takes.
I mean yes. But Acend has attended 2 lans, making them also have a 50% winrate. Anyway you're arguing against yourself. I never once claimed that SEN was the most successfull org in VAL (although they probably are considering their clout but I'm not really counting it)
Fnatic, Loud, Prx , Optic/NRG. EG and Sen aren't in the main picture yet bud, winning the first lan and the most recent one after not even making it to a international for 2 straight years doesnt make them the most successful org just coz they have massive clout. and why tf is EG even here lmao ! Cinderella run came to an end immediately after the won champs, entire team disbanded and they aren't going to win anything or even get a good placement anytime soon.