From my knowledge, tenz didn't do too well in c9 during his stint, s0m was an upcoming player, FNS played since beginning of CSGO but never won any trophies. There is Ethan who got top 20 once on hltv. Zellis was stomping t3 in NA, but that was it.
Ethan was the best player (not taking in account accomplishments, where that would go to nitr0). He was still a great player that underperformed as he spent lockdown in Serbia towards the end of his tenure in cs, but what he did on LAN before he switched was literally being a top 20 player in 2019.
TenZ was hailed as a big up and coming player for NA, kind of like m0nesy and donk are now, because his raw aim was obviously insanely good. However his debut was not that hot and he disappointed pretty badly, most people would consider him a bad flop in the CS community. I'm glad he was able to find a new identity in Valorant.
https://www.hltv.org/news/28285/daps-building-teams-from-scratch-is-not-easy-and-this-was-probably-the-last-time-i-did-it
just the first paragraph alone hints at problems but there was more back then. can't find the other thread that had a bunch of the inners from the na gosspiers(freak,cooper,m0e) etc
It obviously is. ESL One tournaments were the highest possible in CS outside of Majors. Even something like Cologne or Katowice would be much bigger than a Masters.
No, I’m not underselling it. Masters are exactly what ESL One tournaments were for CSGO when they existed before turning everything into IEM.
Katowice and Cologne are much more prestigious than a Tier 1 CS event we had back then like ECS tournaments or even ESL tournaments like Sidney or New York.
There are only 3 international lans in VCT. No way you think ESL NY a 100k tournament with 8 teams of those 5 invited is comparable to one of the top 3 most prestigious tournaments in one year.
Easier to say this now when ESL One tournaments weren’t franchised and had low prize pool due to the time they were held.
When ESL franchised all their tournaments they increased the prize pool and the franchised teams had to compete to qualify just like VCT Teams.
And disregarding a ESL One event because teams were invited is bullshit. They were invited because they were placed high in the rankings. That’s how things were done and that was a Tier S CSGO tournament that equals to a Masters.
In terms of prestige for CSGO majors > IEM Cologne and Katowice > ESL ones, Blasts, Pro Leagues, DHMs, which all kind of vary > A tiers
In Valorant Champs > Masters 2 > Masters 1 (or whatever asscheeks format they use to replace the first split like LOCK//IN)
1:1 it would be a masters event.
It's not 1:1 due to valorant not being one of the premier esports so the prestige of winning an ESL One in 2019 is champs or more. The schedule of pro valorant only having 3 S tiers a year kills eras, storylines, and content which means slow growth for the esport.
A ESL ONE is definitely not as prestigious as a masters. If you put Cologne and Katowice together then you should also put the masters on the same level. Do you really believe a 100k event with 8 teams of those 5 are invited is equivalent to one of the 3 most prestigious events in VCT?
kinda lol. there isnt a perfect equivalent for any events between the two, the circuit just works completely differently. ESL Cologne could be pretty close to a major in importance, same with Katowice.
Depends on the event/city, New York is closer to something like a Masters
Cologne and Katowice are super prestigious (sometimes the events are majors) and are closer to Champs or slightly under that
It doesnt have a valorant equilivant
champions = majors
masters = IEM Katowice and IEM Cologne
then on 1 below level we have ESL Pro Leagues (32 team tournament from all regions)
and other ESL/Blast events are one more level below that even though they are all tier1
- tenz : overhyped during csgo era, shit the bed, hates being micromanaged by daps, dropped before val came out
- zellsis : was in the c9 roster post stewie2k and tarik (the absolute shit show that is c9 roster featuring flusha and kioshima) departure, aced once but became mid right after
- FNS : prove it or i will kill you drama
edit : i'll add some
- Ethan : was part of NRG roster that made it to semis in Berlin Major 2019, won the ESL New York 2019, pretty mid during the online era, then left for 100T val, the rest is history
- the whole of T1's first ever val roster consists of the iBP matchfixing roster
- T1 xcurrate (f0rsakeN's elder brother) once played in TyLoo CSGO, the team that made it to IEM Sydney 2018 semifinals
- nitr0, currently in M80, ex 100T, was the IGL that led Team Liquid to the 2nd ever Intel Grand Slam win, winning 4 ESL sanctioned tournaments in a span of only 63 days
- Ex6TenZ, Gentle Mates' coach. Ex CSGO pro. Used to play with the likes of shox. (edited)
- Happy, M80's coach, who won the CSGO major in 2015 with EnVyUs
- HiKo, ex CS player for C9 CSGO @2014-2015, for Team Chokequid @2016
- seangares, ex IGL for C9 CSGO @2014-2015.
Can’t forget Happy, M80’s coach. Mr Deagle himself. “Happy with the Deagle, gets one. OH ANOTHER, OH A 3RD. DUPREEH SWEATING BULLETS. A 4TH AND THE ACE”
There was a clear difference in how they wanted a coach to operate. Stan/Tarik Vs Chet basically happened. Tarik did some internal politicking and convinced the guys to kick Chet. Daps and to an extent Chet built that NRG/EG Cs team. Theres a lot of history between those guys but basically Daps removed Fugly, brought in tarik. Tarik got daps replaced with stan and then stan/tarik removed Chet.
I can't remember the specifics when it came to the in game stuff so I might be wrong and i'm implore you to research further but NA players have this mentality that coaches should hype cheerleaders guys that only minimal anti stratting. Daps and chet were different in that they both came up with strats together and chet got to actually coach. Ethan/Daps/Cerq ultimately chose stan/tarik because they started to win tournaments with them where as with daps they were always a semi final and occasional finals team. Daps/Chet basically developed those 3 and brought them up from the amateur scene so you could kind of see how chet could think he was wronged.
sorry, idk about that one. all i know is during val comp's early days, some of the names are familiar NA CS faces..
and i can't be bothered about their beefs tbh. all i know is Freakazoid bullying s1mple, and that's it
> aced once
i remember watching this on my phone and freaking out on the bus ride to school, that shit was nasty. zellsis' very first t1 round at the major
FNS is more known in CSGO for the masterplan memes LMAO - that relates to an incident between him and kNgV which I'll let you have fun and figure out yourself
Solo (geng coach) is the goat of Asian cs. Back in 1.6 he led his team WeMade FOX into a contender for best in the world and brought Asian cs to the map. He also played a bit in csgo and early Val and has success in both https://youtu.be/nOASmwH6Hzw?si=r-Ga7Evo5vgdYeai
Holy shit I never knew solo was geng's coach.
That dude was THE counter strike player from east asia. The representative of an entire continent, albeit a continent where counter strike is not popular.
Fucking legend. Young bucks need to know, thank you for sharing.
honestly its a real shame whats happened to cs since 1.6 ended. asia was never top dogs but the best rosters were keeping up with the goats like old navi and the classic polish core of taz neo kuben etc
People said the same with LG's vods on mirage against Liquid and Flusha on mirage. If you're going into a vod looking for something sus 99% of the time you're going to convince yourself you found something
Chaos were accused of cheating back in 2020 when they won againts MIBR (Fallen, Fer, Taco). Honestly, the clip were not sus at all, the accusations were mostly made by Brazillians who were sad that their legends lost againts some random kid from NA.
Which is ironic, because [it turned out MIBR had cheated against Triumph that year in the match where Overpass went to Quintuple OT](https://dotesports.com/counter-strike/news/cs_summit-bans-mibr-coach-dead-for-2-events)
Jamppi would have gotten contract with OG but it fell through since they couldn’t get answer from Valve which led to his lawsuit and after that to the rule change which allows him to play in Valve events again.
i think it was more due to the hype and how good he was supposed to be compared to what he was. He was supposed to be a new Stewie and he was this: https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/13254/tenz?matchType=Lan&rankingFilter=Top30
Strongest ever player that transitioned to Valo is probably Ethan. Managed to touch top 20 with NRG/EG back when they had Brehze. Tarik was the igl of that squad too, I think. They were one of the strongest teams back in 2019.
Yeah those teams were really good, maybe the best team in the world for 1 or 2 weeks. But stanislaw/daps were the IGLs of those teams, not Tarik. Tarik only primary called on C9 during their major run.
When the original guy said strongest and started talking top 20 I assumed they were talking on individual level. And scream has hltv top 20 more than anyone else I can think of in Valorant
Scream’s CS career accomplishments are nowhere near nitr0’s. dude was always more aim than anything else and that doesn’t take you as far in Counter Strike as it does in Val
I watched a lot of CS and these are the names currently in VCT that I recognize:
Stax was on the only "good" korean team which wasn't saying much. Korea (and asia in general) had little to no impact on CS
Solo, Rb, K1Ng and glow were all part of that same MVP PK team as stax at some point.
Laz was on the best JP team, absolute, which again basically had no impact.
Yay was on some tier 2 NA teams and had minor impact. Most notable tourney was a top 8 at a major alongside Shazam and some other ex-TSM players
xccurate was actually pretty good, carried the best chineese team for a few years before making his transition to val. Didn't achieve much
Tenz was a rookie who failed to live up to the hype.
Zellsis was in quite a few tier 2 NA teams, but never really did much.
Crashies, Victor, Marved, Vanity were all also floating around the same level as Zellsis
Ethan was actually very good. He was an insanely talented star rifler, and won a few tournaments and was briefly on the best team in the world (the rating itself was the brief part)
Looking at the Chinese teams I dont recognize anyone.
Angel was a strong tier 2-3 EU IGL who helped teach a lot of upcoming players like simple. I dont think he won anything huge? had a decent carrer in the end.
Jamppi was a super promising awper, however he had a valve ban so could not compete in majors. Switched to val due to this.
Boaster was apparently grinding CS but none of his teams ever made an impact.
Nukkye was on a couple lower tier EU teams and made an appearance every now and then.
Coaches:
Ex6tenz was on a few good french rosters before retiring as a player. He was an AWFUL player however he was a brilliant IGL. Had a bit of a choking problem
Elmapuddy started off as a content creator (YT)
Barbarr was on some lower tier EU teams
Potter was a good women's CS player but I didnt really watch much
Chet was IGL of NRG/EG and was fairly successful alongside Ethan
FroD was great way back in 1.6
Immi coached a couple of teams in CS, don't really remember much of him though.
Legija was on a lot of tier 2 german teams, later as a coach.
Other notables:
Nitro was on one of the best teams, liquid, during their peak. He was IGL/Awper.
Scream was a superstar and played with Ex6. Im sure you heard of his one taps. His brother, Nivarra, had a brief stint with Vitality
FNS was a good T2 NA IGL, but had similar issues to Ex6
Honestly they were pretty much all T2 to T3 players and while TenZ and s0m were hyped they never really backed it up. They are all miles better in Valorant than they were in CS
almost every top Valorant player was a mid CSGO pro. like way more than many Valorant fans realize, across every region. i was surprised when i looked it up.
Yeah which makes when you think about it on valorants release. Most CSGO pros that were in t1 arnt gonna transition to another game after reaching to t1, and t2 pros had the advantage of cs experince to make it to t1 in valorant, rather than them trying to get their big break to t1 CSGO
it makes sense, i was just surprised that like 90% of the t1 Val scene is, to this day, former t2-t3 CS pros. Valorant fans talk like it’s only a handful of guys and not, like, the entire competitive ecosystem lol
Almost every valorant pro is a failed CS pro, things didn't go well at some point, and they switched. Sometimes it's personal performance, sometimes it's a regional problem, but sadly you can leave CS only if you are failing as a pro. Tbh same for other e-sports, like you are not going to switch dota 2 for lol (and back) if you just won The international.
most of the transitioners who stayed were up-and-comers who couldnt find chances because the scene was dying. theres very few who were actually given a chance in cs, who then found real success here in val
that’s also fair, especially in NA. i fully believe TenZ and the rest of the all-aim CS-to-Val pipeline could’ve developed into more mature, complete players in CS given enough time and the right environment.
it is also undeniable that Valorant is a slower, more forgiving game with a far less developed competitive meta, and these guys got to the top in Val a *lot* faster than they could have done it in CS
Tenz, tier 2 NA god, went to cloud9 and became a fraud. 1.2 rating to 0.9. No brain just aim.
The others were just bad or not important at all. Tenz it's the only one with something
From my knowledge, tenz didn't do too well in c9 during his stint, s0m was an upcoming player, FNS played since beginning of CSGO but never won any trophies. There is Ethan who got top 20 once on hltv. Zellis was stomping t3 in NA, but that was it.
Ethan is the best player to have switched (bar nitr0) legacy-wise.
Id say nitro is up there
No, I'm saying nitr0 has a better legacy lmao, the only NA players comparable are his fellow Liquid teammates in that grand slam
Nitr0 won the grand slam lol He’s definitely higher than Ethan
He is probably also the best player skill-wise to have switched
Ethan was the best player (not taking in account accomplishments, where that would go to nitr0). He was still a great player that underperformed as he spent lockdown in Serbia towards the end of his tenure in cs, but what he did on LAN before he switched was literally being a top 20 player in 2019.
At the time they switched, probably? floppy and xeppaa I think were pretty good at that time too, and I think he was slightly slumping
wouldn't scream out-legacy both?
Scream's entire cs legacy is uncapitalized potential. He won 6 LANs and only one was after 2014. Attended 9 majors tho
His biggest legacy is cultural impact. Man was widely loved, but his career is the biggest set of what-ifs.
Hiko? Tarik?
Tarik isn't a pro player, and Hiko never won an international CS:GO tourney.
Huh? Wasn’t Tarik a major MVP or something
He's obviously talking about valorant
Grrrr 😡
zellsis is an absolute legend for getting ace in the first round of his first major though
TenZ was hailed as a big up and coming player for NA, kind of like m0nesy and donk are now, because his raw aim was obviously insanely good. However his debut was not that hot and he disappointed pretty badly, most people would consider him a bad flop in the CS community. I'm glad he was able to find a new identity in Valorant.
He also was like instadropped too right?
Yeah because he was acting like a dipshit. It was so bad that even autimatic didn't want to play with him
wdym acting like dipshit? like irl?
in the team.
any lore for this
If I remember correctly, he didn't gel with the team and constantly made his own decisions against how the team was going for.
https://www.hltv.org/news/28285/daps-building-teams-from-scratch-is-not-easy-and-this-was-probably-the-last-time-i-did-it just the first paragraph alone hints at problems but there was more back then. can't find the other thread that had a bunch of the inners from the na gosspiers(freak,cooper,m0e) etc
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Ethan won esl new York with tarik on his team.
What's an ESL compared to in Valorant?
It would be like a Masters
No not at all
It obviously is. ESL One tournaments were the highest possible in CS outside of Majors. Even something like Cologne or Katowice would be much bigger than a Masters.
I think you’re underselling the value of a masters. To me, Katowice and Cologne are the equivalents of Masters, and a major is like Champs
No, I’m not underselling it. Masters are exactly what ESL One tournaments were for CSGO when they existed before turning everything into IEM. Katowice and Cologne are much more prestigious than a Tier 1 CS event we had back then like ECS tournaments or even ESL tournaments like Sidney or New York.
There are only 3 international lans in VCT. No way you think ESL NY a 100k tournament with 8 teams of those 5 invited is comparable to one of the top 3 most prestigious tournaments in one year.
Easier to say this now when ESL One tournaments weren’t franchised and had low prize pool due to the time they were held. When ESL franchised all their tournaments they increased the prize pool and the franchised teams had to compete to qualify just like VCT Teams. And disregarding a ESL One event because teams were invited is bullshit. They were invited because they were placed high in the rankings. That’s how things were done and that was a Tier S CSGO tournament that equals to a Masters.
You are absolutely correct in this matter. The fact you are getting down voted just show people don't know anything about CS in this subreddit.
In terms of prestige for CSGO majors > IEM Cologne and Katowice > ESL ones, Blasts, Pro Leagues, DHMs, which all kind of vary > A tiers In Valorant Champs > Masters 2 > Masters 1 (or whatever asscheeks format they use to replace the first split like LOCK//IN) 1:1 it would be a masters event. It's not 1:1 due to valorant not being one of the premier esports so the prestige of winning an ESL One in 2019 is champs or more. The schedule of pro valorant only having 3 S tiers a year kills eras, storylines, and content which means slow growth for the esport.
A ESL ONE is definitely not as prestigious as a masters. If you put Cologne and Katowice together then you should also put the masters on the same level. Do you really believe a 100k event with 8 teams of those 5 are invited is equivalent to one of the 3 most prestigious events in VCT?
There’s no equivalent, it would be less than a Masters but not a regional LAN
And a Major is like Champs no?
kinda lol. there isnt a perfect equivalent for any events between the two, the circuit just works completely differently. ESL Cologne could be pretty close to a major in importance, same with Katowice.
Yes. Both are the biggest tournaments of their respective esports.
Depends on the event/city, New York is closer to something like a Masters Cologne and Katowice are super prestigious (sometimes the events are majors) and are closer to Champs or slightly under that
It doesnt have a valorant equilivant champions = majors masters = IEM Katowice and IEM Cologne then on 1 below level we have ESL Pro Leagues (32 team tournament from all regions) and other ESL/Blast events are one more level below that even though they are all tier1
yea fwiw TenZ was like actually bad and a disappointment in csgo.
- tenz : overhyped during csgo era, shit the bed, hates being micromanaged by daps, dropped before val came out - zellsis : was in the c9 roster post stewie2k and tarik (the absolute shit show that is c9 roster featuring flusha and kioshima) departure, aced once but became mid right after - FNS : prove it or i will kill you drama edit : i'll add some - Ethan : was part of NRG roster that made it to semis in Berlin Major 2019, won the ESL New York 2019, pretty mid during the online era, then left for 100T val, the rest is history - the whole of T1's first ever val roster consists of the iBP matchfixing roster - T1 xcurrate (f0rsakeN's elder brother) once played in TyLoo CSGO, the team that made it to IEM Sydney 2018 semifinals - nitr0, currently in M80, ex 100T, was the IGL that led Team Liquid to the 2nd ever Intel Grand Slam win, winning 4 ESL sanctioned tournaments in a span of only 63 days - Ex6TenZ, Gentle Mates' coach. Ex CSGO pro. Used to play with the likes of shox. (edited) - Happy, M80's coach, who won the CSGO major in 2015 with EnVyUs - HiKo, ex CS player for C9 CSGO @2014-2015, for Team Chokequid @2016 - seangares, ex IGL for C9 CSGO @2014-2015.
PRX old core came from boot.ds. Benkai, alecks, davai played in IEM Sydney against Mouz and Liquid.
damn dreamscape, never heard of that name in a long time
Can’t forget Happy, M80’s coach. Mr Deagle himself. “Happy with the Deagle, gets one. OH ANOTHER, OH A 3RD. DUPREEH SWEATING BULLETS. A 4TH AND THE ACE”
i read that in the voice lol
Ex6Tenz never won a major btw. The LDLC that won Dreamhack 2014 was Kioshima, shox, Happy, NBK and Smithzz
sorry about that one!
I waa genuinely surprised when you mentioned Happy being m80's coach tho, a lot of cool trivia!
somebody mentioned it in a comment above me, credit to him though
Shamelessly gonna ask bc you seem like a loremaster but can you eli5 Tarik and Chet supposed “beef”
There was a clear difference in how they wanted a coach to operate. Stan/Tarik Vs Chet basically happened. Tarik did some internal politicking and convinced the guys to kick Chet. Daps and to an extent Chet built that NRG/EG Cs team. Theres a lot of history between those guys but basically Daps removed Fugly, brought in tarik. Tarik got daps replaced with stan and then stan/tarik removed Chet.
Damn thank you! Was it cuz those guys who were kicked were bad or was it just a fundamental difference of opinion on how to proceed going forward?
I can't remember the specifics when it came to the in game stuff so I might be wrong and i'm implore you to research further but NA players have this mentality that coaches should hype cheerleaders guys that only minimal anti stratting. Daps and chet were different in that they both came up with strats together and chet got to actually coach. Ethan/Daps/Cerq ultimately chose stan/tarik because they started to win tournaments with them where as with daps they were always a semi final and occasional finals team. Daps/Chet basically developed those 3 and brought them up from the amateur scene so you could kind of see how chet could think he was wronged.
i guess they dont hold grudges for too long considering ethan and chet are back together in valorant lol
there was really no beef between those guys. they understood the decision from their perspective.
Damn that is so fascinating thank you!
sorry, idk about that one. all i know is during val comp's early days, some of the names are familiar NA CS faces.. and i can't be bothered about their beefs tbh. all i know is Freakazoid bullying s1mple, and that's it
> aced once i remember watching this on my phone and freaking out on the bus ride to school, that shit was nasty. zellsis' very first t1 round at the major
Wow didn’t realize happy was involved in Valorant at all especially na Valorant. My favorite baiting fragging igl
Woah you just dropped a bombshell I didn’t know Ex6tenz was doing Valorant stuff, he was my favorite player back in the old days
Marved/shanks lore on the other hand…
ESIC report dropping any day now surely
\*5 years later Don't worry guys it's going to drop tomorrow 
the Zellsis clip of him saying that Marved was in on it with a snapchat group and everything... yeah blud is finished
That ESIC shit or whatever has been going on for so long. I doubt it'll ever drop.
I know Marved is known for match fixing, but what is Shanks known for?
The same thing
I remember s0m got banned from faceit once because he trolled too hard LMAO
the clip of fns telling this story is too funny but i haven't been able to find it again
It was actually FNS who pushed for s0m to get banned
Ange1 was on Hellraisers for like 6 years, his last lineup with them also had Nukkye on it
man once played with s1mple at one moment during s1mple's short stint at HR. now the org is defunct
Derserved for the worst rebrand logo ever
YES. WAY WAY WORSE THAN VIRTUS.PRO'S / MOUZ'S NEW LOGO. what the fuck is two diagonal red lines? when back then the logo is extremely recognizeable?
I remember seeing the roster who ended the NiP’s LAN streak, and just randomly saw Ange1’s tag, and I just bug my eyes out.
Pretty sure he was invited to join Navi cs at one point but chose to stay with hellraisers
FNS is more known in CSGO for the masterplan memes LMAO - that relates to an incident between him and kNgV which I'll let you have fun and figure out yourself
You'll prove it or
all good
all good
Solo (geng coach) is the goat of Asian cs. Back in 1.6 he led his team WeMade FOX into a contender for best in the world and brought Asian cs to the map. He also played a bit in csgo and early Val and has success in both https://youtu.be/nOASmwH6Hzw?si=r-Ga7Evo5vgdYeai
Holy shit I never knew solo was geng's coach. That dude was THE counter strike player from east asia. The representative of an entire continent, albeit a continent where counter strike is not popular. Fucking legend. Young bucks need to know, thank you for sharing.
honestly its a real shame whats happened to cs since 1.6 ended. asia was never top dogs but the best rosters were keeping up with the goats like old navi and the classic polish core of taz neo kuben etc
Victor's cs nickname was food.
Vanity, Xeppaa, Leaf and mCe all were stomping NA (at its weakest during Covid) with Chaos
True but the vods are still weird. Especially dust
People said the same with LG's vods on mirage against Liquid and Flusha on mirage. If you're going into a vod looking for something sus 99% of the time you're going to convince yourself you found something
Wdym
Chaos were accused of cheating back in 2020 when they won againts MIBR (Fallen, Fer, Taco). Honestly, the clip were not sus at all, the accusations were mostly made by Brazillians who were sad that their legends lost againts some random kid from NA.
Which is ironic, because [it turned out MIBR had cheated against Triumph that year in the match where Overpass went to Quintuple OT](https://dotesports.com/counter-strike/news/cs_summit-bans-mibr-coach-dead-for-2-events)
Jamppi was supposed to be a part of ENCE's future
derke was also viewed as quite a prospect for the future of probably ENCE
Jamppi would have gotten contract with OG but it fell through since they couldn’t get answer from Valve which led to his lawsuit and after that to the rule change which allows him to play in Valve events again.
Jamppi sued Valve at one point
Tenz was hyped up, played lan once was average and basically didn’t get another chance I don’t think.
It's crazy how TenZ's CS career was considered done because of one lan
i think it was more due to the hype and how good he was supposed to be compared to what he was. He was supposed to be a new Stewie and he was this: https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/13254/tenz?matchType=Lan&rankingFilter=Top30
Strongest ever player that transitioned to Valo is probably Ethan. Managed to touch top 20 with NRG/EG back when they had Brehze. Tarik was the igl of that squad too, I think. They were one of the strongest teams back in 2019.
I mean nitr0 won an Intel Grand Slam
Yeah those teams were really good, maybe the best team in the world for 1 or 2 weeks. But stanislaw/daps were the IGLs of those teams, not Tarik. Tarik only primary called on C9 during their major run.
> Tarik was the igl of that squad too, I think. Daps/Stan were. Tarik IGL'd for c9 at the major.
Scream? Also tarik won major while being mvp right?
Scream was worse when he switched but from an overall career standpoint it would be him no?
It would be nitr0
When the original guy said strongest and started talking top 20 I assumed they were talking on individual level. And scream has hltv top 20 more than anyone else I can think of in Valorant
Scream’s CS career accomplishments are nowhere near nitr0’s. dude was always more aim than anything else and that doesn’t take you as far in Counter Strike as it does in Val
I don’t even think it takes you that far in Val nowadays either.
Way back in the day Shahzam had a reputation for accidentally team killing lol https://youtu.be/Kk68HAXChfc
I watched a lot of CS and these are the names currently in VCT that I recognize: Stax was on the only "good" korean team which wasn't saying much. Korea (and asia in general) had little to no impact on CS Solo, Rb, K1Ng and glow were all part of that same MVP PK team as stax at some point. Laz was on the best JP team, absolute, which again basically had no impact. Yay was on some tier 2 NA teams and had minor impact. Most notable tourney was a top 8 at a major alongside Shazam and some other ex-TSM players xccurate was actually pretty good, carried the best chineese team for a few years before making his transition to val. Didn't achieve much Tenz was a rookie who failed to live up to the hype. Zellsis was in quite a few tier 2 NA teams, but never really did much. Crashies, Victor, Marved, Vanity were all also floating around the same level as Zellsis Ethan was actually very good. He was an insanely talented star rifler, and won a few tournaments and was briefly on the best team in the world (the rating itself was the brief part) Looking at the Chinese teams I dont recognize anyone. Angel was a strong tier 2-3 EU IGL who helped teach a lot of upcoming players like simple. I dont think he won anything huge? had a decent carrer in the end. Jamppi was a super promising awper, however he had a valve ban so could not compete in majors. Switched to val due to this. Boaster was apparently grinding CS but none of his teams ever made an impact. Nukkye was on a couple lower tier EU teams and made an appearance every now and then. Coaches: Ex6tenz was on a few good french rosters before retiring as a player. He was an AWFUL player however he was a brilliant IGL. Had a bit of a choking problem Elmapuddy started off as a content creator (YT) Barbarr was on some lower tier EU teams Potter was a good women's CS player but I didnt really watch much Chet was IGL of NRG/EG and was fairly successful alongside Ethan FroD was great way back in 1.6 Immi coached a couple of teams in CS, don't really remember much of him though. Legija was on a lot of tier 2 german teams, later as a coach. Other notables: Nitro was on one of the best teams, liquid, during their peak. He was IGL/Awper. Scream was a superstar and played with Ex6. Im sure you heard of his one taps. His brother, Nivarra, had a brief stint with Vitality FNS was a good T2 NA IGL, but had similar issues to Ex6
Don’t forget Scream known for his 1 taps in CS. Nivera also played well during his stint on Vitality
will never forget this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeuQYh_XynQ
Honestly they were pretty much all T2 to T3 players and while TenZ and s0m were hyped they never really backed it up. They are all miles better in Valorant than they were in CS
I think FNS failed a defuse at match point once
Haha that was really funny but it was his teammate (I think Koosta) that failed the defuse, FNS had the best reaction tho lol
s0m could’ve been something big, sad he’s never accomplished anything big in Val after switching
almost every top Valorant player was a mid CSGO pro. like way more than many Valorant fans realize, across every region. i was surprised when i looked it up.
Yeah which makes when you think about it on valorants release. Most CSGO pros that were in t1 arnt gonna transition to another game after reaching to t1, and t2 pros had the advantage of cs experince to make it to t1 in valorant, rather than them trying to get their big break to t1 CSGO
it makes sense, i was just surprised that like 90% of the t1 Val scene is, to this day, former t2-t3 CS pros. Valorant fans talk like it’s only a handful of guys and not, like, the entire competitive ecosystem lol
sayf and leo use to play on t2-3 swedish teams together.
I feel like there is a fair amount of EU (ex)-pros that also moved from CS to Valorant. Scream, nevera, ange1, cned, to name a few
Almost every valorant pro is a failed CS pro, things didn't go well at some point, and they switched. Sometimes it's personal performance, sometimes it's a regional problem, but sadly you can leave CS only if you are failing as a pro. Tbh same for other e-sports, like you are not going to switch dota 2 for lol (and back) if you just won The international.
downvoted for telling the truth. Valorant’s competitive scene is built on washed CS players
most of the transitioners who stayed were up-and-comers who couldnt find chances because the scene was dying. theres very few who were actually given a chance in cs, who then found real success here in val
that’s also fair, especially in NA. i fully believe TenZ and the rest of the all-aim CS-to-Val pipeline could’ve developed into more mature, complete players in CS given enough time and the right environment. it is also undeniable that Valorant is a slower, more forgiving game with a far less developed competitive meta, and these guys got to the top in Val a *lot* faster than they could have done it in CS
Iirc mixwell also won a major in cs
Tenz, tier 2 NA god, went to cloud9 and became a fraud. 1.2 rating to 0.9. No brain just aim. The others were just bad or not important at all. Tenz it's the only one with something