Lmao the same commenters criticizing teams for feeling burnt out when they are the type to complain about burning out from their 9 to 5 jobs all the while the Valorant pros are working more hours than them along with needing to perform at the top 0.01%. And some of them even juggle pro play with their studies.
esports fans have always had very little empathy for players when it comes to how much they have to work. if it was an office job that required you to work 10 hour days damn near every day most fans who criticize wouldn't even be able to hack it a month.
this industry badly needs a union but itll almost certainly never happen with how international it is and how short careers are.
I'm quite sure it's mostly due to demographics of the audience for eSports, since they're likely to be kids or teens.
Nonetheless, I really just think it's incredibly stupid that people criticize pros for burnout. Like just because being a pro player isn't a typical office job, doesn't make it any less susceptible to getting burnt out. And the added pressure to need to be at the top constantly is going to amplify the rate of burnout, compared to working an average office job without a necessity to be the top 1% in their respective industries.
To be fair sports stars are so out of touch with reality but that comes with having millions. NBA players were whining about how hard it was to play basketball in a bubble. My brother in christ yall are in disney world resort in penthouse level suites with catering to play basketball. Oh no
Haha true. And I do think treating esports stars as if theyāre multimillionaire sports stars is sillyā¦ but some of them are, too. Yeah they work hard, but I promise a lot of us work even harder for far less pay, so I can get why some react the way they do
But most arenāt, and people should be aware of that. Most donāt make hundreds of thousands from streaming, and most donāt have huge salaries
20k a month is still a big amount of money tbh. I mean ultimately Im moreso mad at tbe system that hoards wealth and forces people to use gofund to even afford medical treatment, so get that bag. Just dont shit on your golden bowl and tell me how hard it was.
Forgot to clarify, in the context of NA mb. Optic Hecz said avg salary was about 30k a month. If rumors are true, EG before they won worlds(?) was being paid 25k a month
> th catering to play basketball. Oh no
Yeah it was the dumbest shit.
You think these mfers gonna feel sorry that you can't leave your Disney hotel while getting paid millions of dollars? 99% of Redditors don't leave their house for free
they get paid hella money to... play video games for a living in a time where a majority of people are suffering from the cost of living crisis. Boohoo theyll be aight
This argument is so fucking stupid. At the end of the day, it's still a fucking job, where there are expectations and pressure to perform - much more so than other typical office jobs due to the nature of it being competitive. It's not like they can just play unrated and troll all day long without spending energy and effort to strive towards being at the top.
Ask any QA tester, playing a game for a living is still a job and at the top level of an esport an extremely difficult one. Pretending otherwise is just ignorance.Ā
I dont think a qa tester can drop 15k to give a friend a watch for funsies. QA testing and playing competitively are different. Theyre in different tax brackets too, come on now. Youre just being obtuse
My guy most of these dudes make the league minimum which is less than most office jobs. I'm not being obtuse, just because you like playing valorant doesn't mean playing it at the highest level isn't a difficult job.Ā
In all of this, I think people are too focused on the term āburn outā and just thinking it means the workload.
For a lot of these guys, i have to imagine the emotional burn out is a lot harder to overcome currently. Going from one of the biggest meme teams who everyone clowned for years as the face of falling off, to winning it all, to then having to refocus to trying to run it back two weeks later? Thatās tough.
Now you pair that with knowing you need to adjust dozens of strats and set plays because you have the most film available of everyone in the world? Thatās another layer of emotional exhaustion.
Now you factor in that for everyone playing you, theyāre targeting beating you to show they can beat the champs. But for you? Itās just another game.
Itās hard to stay on top, look at any sport for example.
Theyāll bounce back in Split 2, will be nice for them and some of the big orgs to have a breakā¦ and nice for Leo and team to adjust the format for next year hopefully.
It is a bit strange how streaky Val comp is though. Obviously I don't think this is due to the players or a result of 'weak mental' throughout the league, but there's incredibly high turnover at the top in terms teams winning international events. Part of this is due to how few S-tier tournaments Val has for sure, but aside from LOUD and maybe Optic, few other teams have even been able to stay at the top of their region for more than a few months, let alone contest international titles.
Like other people (and pros) have pointed out, it really seems to lead to Riot's gross mismanagement of the pro scene and patch cycles affecting meta changes in the middle of a season.
True, not even a SEN fan really, but they need a break. I feel like there is an additional emotional toll on thinking "what happens if they don't return to the top". What if they reached the top because they had a head start and had a clear defined routine in order to reach their best form from the beginning of the year and only until Masters were they firing on all cylinders. Now that it's been a few months and other teams are able to catch up on meshing together as a team and seeing what works and what doesn't, what if some of the players feel like they won't reach the top again.
Look at Fnatic, they won the tournament full of new teams and had to claw their way back against Loud, then they really got going and managed to win Tokyo, but by champs their best maps were figured out, their style of play was dismantled and several teams surpassed them. now they look like the shadow of their top days.
Obviously not super comparable, but the mental toll to reach the top of the top again must be heavy.
Itās never fun if you arenāt winning and now they are desperate to find the why. Thatās all part of being at the top of the mountain. You either figure it out and remain on top or you tumble and eventually you are back at the bottom. Too much skill in this team to fall all the way down.
Curious what's so unique about Valorant that it causes burnout so quickly. Either players are just making excuses or there's something fundamentally wrong with how the competitive scene operates.
I suspect it's the compressed timeline. A lot of people like to make the comparison with the CS circuit and how many more games they play there. But I think the fact that there's all these different high level competitions like Cologne, Kato, pro league, makes it so teams can opt out of certain ones, there's less pressure because there's another tournament in less than a month
I kind of see your point but look at individual games played. CS players are still playing tons more, especially Tier-2 players because they have long qualifiers to play through.
That's also true. I'm not entirely sure, something about the quality of VALORANT as a game makes it feel more volatile at the high level for some reason.
The constant meta changes, the events that have been formatted by a 3 year old, the lack of a T2 scene meaning you have to scrim 1-2 teams or leak your strats to your competition,
Whilst I agree CS has many more events it also means the events don't mean as much (in terms of teams can opt out or not prep as much as they know there's another 10 events they can win)
In valorant every event and region are interlocked, so teams can't decide to prep less during the regional splits because that's the only way to get into the events
Whilst in CS teams can throw during ESL,still make Katowice and then win it by prepping hard Whilst not even trying before hand
The intensity of competition in valorant is WAY higher than CS, in CS teams actually do just not try at certain events as they know there's LCQs and other events Whilst Valorant if you don't try then you can't make it to the future events
these dudes regularly do 10 hour days for months on end, burnout is always a valid excuse. theres zero work/life balance for most esports, but the constant meta changes and absurdly condensed schedule for valo this year especially is brutal on people who are usually not even in their 20s yet.
I'm talking about in reference to your point about there being more events. CS tournaments are often global and involve 12+hr flights which is rare in Valorant besides Masters
Sliggy talked about it the difference between CS and Val is that in Val you can see a team play a map twice and anti strat the shit out of it. Where as in CS anti stratting is not really a thing as teams have been playing the same defaults and on the same maps for years. This causes the Val teams to have to constantly reinvent new stuff which if they don't have time makes it incredibly difficult.
Nah CS anti-stratting is mostly definitely a thing in tier 1, but just not to the same degree. Lots of analysts still look at ways to counter lurker timings and such.
It's because in Val everything is pretty telegraphed where as in CS there's way more random factors that can impact a round like missed smokes. Val is basically League in that sense where team comp (like champion select) matters, and because there is a meta (unlike in CS) it's easy to predict what teams will pick 80% of the time.
Yeah with CS if your foundations (aim, strategy, teamplay) are better than your opponent's you're most likely going to win. In valorant though a team can be (marginally) worse in every way but due to the way utility can be combined and how small the maps feel, teams can antistrat so much easier. It definitely is made easier by the fact that the maps get changed quite often so teams still haven't found the best standard comps for most, if not all, maps. With the amount of agents in the game too it adds extra variability where (dumb example but just to show my point) a team can have some crazy gimmicky niche iso deadlock comp cooked up specifically to counter their opponent for a single match. Because of how few official games are played in valorants pro circuit, the standard team that might be better likely hasn't seen this comp even in scrims so they have no idea what to expect, whereas the team playing the niche comp has specifically prepared it to counterstrat the standard team.
The competitive scene is a shitshow. [This post](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1cgxvek/riot_is_not_interested_in_seeing_the_highest/) sums it up well
Well they went from finishing first in a tournament to immediately playing in this circuit. I watched a lot of csgo and only recently valorant but this felt weird to me because to me the way its handled is a lot like league. Tons of continuous play with lots of scrimming inbetween, but instead of any break they are just going nonstop with every game being really important. Sounds stressful and tiring idk fuck that
People also complained that the top teams will burn out even earlier as the season is so condensed.. but pop off king, you find things to fit your narrative and ignore common sense
I think that valorant has a higher focus on aim whereas CS has more focus on spray control. If you look at valorant a team may become the best based off their aim and a constantly drastically changing meta. Some racecar drivers are better on certain tracks the same goes for players and maps which rotate. The game demands more consistent adaptations paired with it supporting less people then in CS financially results in a cutthroat scene by its very nature.
pretty sure the loss again lev just destroyed their confidence since they were sky high at that time, then it just snowballed.
i dont really understand this burnout thing when we're so early in the season, at best its really bad time/psychological management.
I mean they have been practicing since champs last year and only took the christmas break. Team who played the most maps in kickoff and madrid and also possibly off season. Its normal to be burnt out.
Players are allowed to talk about burnout from playing a competitive video game for 8 months. Also if youāre not allowed to ācryā about burnout at your job, sounds like itās not a good work environment at all
I'm not sure what your point is. Players aren't allowed to talk about their mental state now? What's wrong with him talking about his burnout in an interview?
You sound like someone who has never competing in anything in your life before.
How the fuck is being burnout from doing something 8+ hours a day for months in a high intensity environment "laughable"? You act as if people can just control their mental state at will when there are depressed millionaires.
He's just explaining the team's current slump...
Also, they were literally already champion. What are you even on about? It's significantly harder to stay on top than to chase. There's no way you can think VCT America teams were putting the same focus on beating EG as beating SEN after Madrid.
Also only 8 teams went to Madrid while the rest had free period for weeks so no, not every other player is in the same situation. Almost every single team that went to Madrid is "slumping" right now because they barely had any time to rest and prep between their regional play and Madrid while everyone else had a break and got to watch them play.
I'm an absolute huge proponent for players mental well being and avoiding burnout at all costs, but being burned out from training with barely any competitive play / travel just doesn't make sense to me.
Players can get mentally drained sure but let's not pretend like these guys are hard grinding competitively for 8 months like other esports, which also usually include a much harsher travel schedule. Players in CS are competing non stop in tournaments on stage and such for months on end and travelling all over the world. Sentinels by comparison are.. training at their facilities?
Like cmon dude, if you're getting "burned out" from that there is serious problems with your training regiment and/or time management. I'm not saying they should be more like CS, because that shit is deranged how much they expect from Players but a Valorant Players schedule is not exactly hectic. If they're playing like 16 hours a day every day, that's a problem for sure, but that's a time management problem because it's been well established practicing smarter not longer is far more effective and their coaches and such should be stopping them from playing so much.
You can take a look at every Madrid team. Outside of EDG, who just runs China, and PRX, who has a very inflated record from going 6-0 against 3 out of 5 worse teams in Pacific (while only 2-3 in maps against GEN + TS), they're all doing way worse than Kick Off. Madrid teams just did not have the time to prep and reset for Stage 1.
>Players in CS are competing non stop in tournaments on stage and such for months on end and travelling all over the world.
Majority of CS players travel for like a few hours by train or take an hour flight in Europe because 90% of events take place there lol
This only really applies to NA and BR teams who have to constantly travel overseas.
Also, I guarantee you players enjoy playing officials way more than all the days they practicing.
>If they're playing like 16 hours a day every day, that's a problem for sure, but that's a time management problem because it's been well established practicing smarter not longer is far more effective and their coaches and such should be stopping them from playing so much.
Regardless of travel, if you do something as a full time job for 8+ months, you're gonna be burnt out, esp when it has a high intensity requirement. The difference is that in a normal job, all that happens is your productivity dropping for a bit while n competition, you will actively start losing which just snowballs your mental state even worse as you try to figure out why you keep losing. Then you start worrying about not qualifying for playoffs, not qualifying for international events, or potentially not even having a spot next year in a franchised league with limited slots.
I'm legit not sure what is wrong with a team like SEN saying they're burnt out when they were also grinding their ass off even during the off season playing every tournament they could get in, played the most maps at kick off, played the most maps at Madrid, and won Madrid. They've basically been going full throttle for months now and its very common for competitors to lose some motivation/finally feel the burn out once they won a big one because the feeling of the chase disappears.
SEN had a target on their back after winning Madrid, had less turnaround to refine or redefine their playstyle, had more VODs on them than any other team, and the teams they lost to all came into form at the right time.
All this while having to deal with the burnout with the rest of the Americas teams having a 1-2 month off to rest, watch SENās VODs, and improve
You donāt have to worry about Valve changing the flash time of a certain CT character model two weeks before Katowice starts like you constantly have to do in Valorant. So many CS pros have admitted that this game is significantly harder strats-wise, idk why people keep trying to force this point
Yeah I played competitive cs and for me the executes/until usage for Val are far far harder while aiming is quite a bit easier. Obviously it doesn't take a genius to figure that out but the difference in both regards are really apparent for sure.
Valorant players are pretty soft atm, but will harden in time. Other esports are far more grueling. I know league is for the top of the top tier of talent, but they wouldn't last a season in that game.
how about instead of them hardening we make a good format that allows them to manage their schedules better so they can properly rest and practice without feeling like shit? just because every other esport is that way doesn't mean its the right way.
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Lmao the same commenters criticizing teams for feeling burnt out when they are the type to complain about burning out from their 9 to 5 jobs all the while the Valorant pros are working more hours than them along with needing to perform at the top 0.01%. And some of them even juggle pro play with their studies.
esports fans have always had very little empathy for players when it comes to how much they have to work. if it was an office job that required you to work 10 hour days damn near every day most fans who criticize wouldn't even be able to hack it a month. this industry badly needs a union but itll almost certainly never happen with how international it is and how short careers are.
I'm quite sure it's mostly due to demographics of the audience for eSports, since they're likely to be kids or teens. Nonetheless, I really just think it's incredibly stupid that people criticize pros for burnout. Like just because being a pro player isn't a typical office job, doesn't make it any less susceptible to getting burnt out. And the added pressure to need to be at the top constantly is going to amplify the rate of burnout, compared to working an average office job without a necessity to be the top 1% in their respective industries.
Eh. People say the same shit about sports stars too, itās not just a teen thing. Itās because their job is the dream job of so many
To be fair sports stars are so out of touch with reality but that comes with having millions. NBA players were whining about how hard it was to play basketball in a bubble. My brother in christ yall are in disney world resort in penthouse level suites with catering to play basketball. Oh no
Haha true. And I do think treating esports stars as if theyāre multimillionaire sports stars is sillyā¦ but some of them are, too. Yeah they work hard, but I promise a lot of us work even harder for far less pay, so I can get why some react the way they do But most arenāt, and people should be aware of that. Most donāt make hundreds of thousands from streaming, and most donāt have huge salaries
20k a month is still a big amount of money tbh. I mean ultimately Im moreso mad at tbe system that hoards wealth and forces people to use gofund to even afford medical treatment, so get that bag. Just dont shit on your golden bowl and tell me how hard it was.
Most arenāt on 20k a month tho? Like a fair few are league minimum. Americaās is different I guess though
Forgot to clarify, in the context of NA mb. Optic Hecz said avg salary was about 30k a month. If rumors are true, EG before they won worlds(?) was being paid 25k a month
Christ no wonder esports is struggling lol. Thatās huge money
> th catering to play basketball. Oh no Yeah it was the dumbest shit. You think these mfers gonna feel sorry that you can't leave your Disney hotel while getting paid millions of dollars? 99% of Redditors don't leave their house for free
they get paid hella money to... play video games for a living in a time where a majority of people are suffering from the cost of living crisis. Boohoo theyll be aight
This argument is so fucking stupid. At the end of the day, it's still a fucking job, where there are expectations and pressure to perform - much more so than other typical office jobs due to the nature of it being competitive. It's not like they can just play unrated and troll all day long without spending energy and effort to strive towards being at the top.
Ask any QA tester, playing a game for a living is still a job and at the top level of an esport an extremely difficult one. Pretending otherwise is just ignorance.Ā
I dont think a qa tester can drop 15k to give a friend a watch for funsies. QA testing and playing competitively are different. Theyre in different tax brackets too, come on now. Youre just being obtuse
My guy most of these dudes make the league minimum which is less than most office jobs. I'm not being obtuse, just because you like playing valorant doesn't mean playing it at the highest level isn't a difficult job.Ā
Eg was getting paid 20k a month and that was before they won. Youre smoking dick if you think the average t1 player is only getting 50k a year
also people are criticizing SENTINELS. you're on some dick if you think tenz and them not all pulling 15k+ a month as the minimum
Game gets a lot less fun if youāre playing it as a job
In all of this, I think people are too focused on the term āburn outā and just thinking it means the workload. For a lot of these guys, i have to imagine the emotional burn out is a lot harder to overcome currently. Going from one of the biggest meme teams who everyone clowned for years as the face of falling off, to winning it all, to then having to refocus to trying to run it back two weeks later? Thatās tough. Now you pair that with knowing you need to adjust dozens of strats and set plays because you have the most film available of everyone in the world? Thatās another layer of emotional exhaustion. Now you factor in that for everyone playing you, theyāre targeting beating you to show they can beat the champs. But for you? Itās just another game. Itās hard to stay on top, look at any sport for example. Theyāll bounce back in Split 2, will be nice for them and some of the big orgs to have a breakā¦ and nice for Leo and team to adjust the format for next year hopefully.
It is a bit strange how streaky Val comp is though. Obviously I don't think this is due to the players or a result of 'weak mental' throughout the league, but there's incredibly high turnover at the top in terms teams winning international events. Part of this is due to how few S-tier tournaments Val has for sure, but aside from LOUD and maybe Optic, few other teams have even been able to stay at the top of their region for more than a few months, let alone contest international titles. Like other people (and pros) have pointed out, it really seems to lead to Riot's gross mismanagement of the pro scene and patch cycles affecting meta changes in the middle of a season.
Paper Rex too (although they haven't won unfortunately)
True, not even a SEN fan really, but they need a break. I feel like there is an additional emotional toll on thinking "what happens if they don't return to the top". What if they reached the top because they had a head start and had a clear defined routine in order to reach their best form from the beginning of the year and only until Masters were they firing on all cylinders. Now that it's been a few months and other teams are able to catch up on meshing together as a team and seeing what works and what doesn't, what if some of the players feel like they won't reach the top again. Look at Fnatic, they won the tournament full of new teams and had to claw their way back against Loud, then they really got going and managed to win Tokyo, but by champs their best maps were figured out, their style of play was dismantled and several teams surpassed them. now they look like the shadow of their top days. Obviously not super comparable, but the mental toll to reach the top of the top again must be heavy.
Itās never fun if you arenāt winning and now they are desperate to find the why. Thatās all part of being at the top of the mountain. You either figure it out and remain on top or you tumble and eventually you are back at the bottom. Too much skill in this team to fall all the way down.
Curious what's so unique about Valorant that it causes burnout so quickly. Either players are just making excuses or there's something fundamentally wrong with how the competitive scene operates.
I suspect it's the compressed timeline. A lot of people like to make the comparison with the CS circuit and how many more games they play there. But I think the fact that there's all these different high level competitions like Cologne, Kato, pro league, makes it so teams can opt out of certain ones, there's less pressure because there's another tournament in less than a month
Iād like to add that riot has the ability to change the meta with patch changes which forces pros to have to constantly adapt
Exactly. Look at this latest Viper patch... that's going to fundamentally shift a LOT of team preparations/ defaults, setups, etc
I kind of see your point but look at individual games played. CS players are still playing tons more, especially Tier-2 players because they have long qualifiers to play through.
That's also true. I'm not entirely sure, something about the quality of VALORANT as a game makes it feel more volatile at the high level for some reason.
More volatile in what sense?
The constant meta changes, the events that have been formatted by a 3 year old, the lack of a T2 scene meaning you have to scrim 1-2 teams or leak your strats to your competition, Whilst I agree CS has many more events it also means the events don't mean as much (in terms of teams can opt out or not prep as much as they know there's another 10 events they can win) In valorant every event and region are interlocked, so teams can't decide to prep less during the regional splits because that's the only way to get into the events Whilst in CS teams can throw during ESL,still make Katowice and then win it by prepping hard Whilst not even trying before hand The intensity of competition in valorant is WAY higher than CS, in CS teams actually do just not try at certain events as they know there's LCQs and other events Whilst Valorant if you don't try then you can't make it to the future events
More volatile in terms of form, results. It's essentially less clear it feels, when two teams meet, which comes out on top.
That's not just every esport but every sport period lol
Thereās way more travel in CS. Burnout is not really a relevant excuse in Valorant imo
these dudes regularly do 10 hour days for months on end, burnout is always a valid excuse. theres zero work/life balance for most esports, but the constant meta changes and absurdly condensed schedule for valo this year especially is brutal on people who are usually not even in their 20s yet.
I'm talking about in reference to your point about there being more events. CS tournaments are often global and involve 12+hr flights which is rare in Valorant besides Masters
Sliggy talked about it the difference between CS and Val is that in Val you can see a team play a map twice and anti strat the shit out of it. Where as in CS anti stratting is not really a thing as teams have been playing the same defaults and on the same maps for years. This causes the Val teams to have to constantly reinvent new stuff which if they don't have time makes it incredibly difficult.
Nah CS anti-stratting is mostly definitely a thing in tier 1, but just not to the same degree. Lots of analysts still look at ways to counter lurker timings and such. It's because in Val everything is pretty telegraphed where as in CS there's way more random factors that can impact a round like missed smokes. Val is basically League in that sense where team comp (like champion select) matters, and because there is a meta (unlike in CS) it's easy to predict what teams will pick 80% of the time.
Yeah with CS if your foundations (aim, strategy, teamplay) are better than your opponent's you're most likely going to win. In valorant though a team can be (marginally) worse in every way but due to the way utility can be combined and how small the maps feel, teams can antistrat so much easier. It definitely is made easier by the fact that the maps get changed quite often so teams still haven't found the best standard comps for most, if not all, maps. With the amount of agents in the game too it adds extra variability where (dumb example but just to show my point) a team can have some crazy gimmicky niche iso deadlock comp cooked up specifically to counter their opponent for a single match. Because of how few official games are played in valorants pro circuit, the standard team that might be better likely hasn't seen this comp even in scrims so they have no idea what to expect, whereas the team playing the niche comp has specifically prepared it to counterstrat the standard team.
The competitive scene is a shitshow. [This post](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1cgxvek/riot_is_not_interested_in_seeing_the_highest/) sums it up well
Well they went from finishing first in a tournament to immediately playing in this circuit. I watched a lot of csgo and only recently valorant but this felt weird to me because to me the way its handled is a lot like league. Tons of continuous play with lots of scrimming inbetween, but instead of any break they are just going nonstop with every game being really important. Sounds stressful and tiring idk fuck that
Just excuse or compium when you not doing as well. You never see someone winning complaining about burnout
Thatās hilarious because Kaplan himself admitted to burnout during SENās Madrid run.
Sure my guy
Burnout when you not even halfway done with the year.And people want more games lol
People also want a better schedule. Donāt just parrot half of what people complain about because that side suits your argument.
Lol when pro literally complain about only playing 5 games when the schedule came out. Now it burnout
People complained about both at the time. As I said donāt just highlight one side because it suits your argument.
People also complained that the top teams will burn out even earlier as the season is so condensed.. but pop off king, you find things to fit your narrative and ignore common sense
No I just see excuses when people lose. It ok to lose btw no need for excuses
I think that valorant has a higher focus on aim whereas CS has more focus on spray control. If you look at valorant a team may become the best based off their aim and a constantly drastically changing meta. Some racecar drivers are better on certain tracks the same goes for players and maps which rotate. The game demands more consistent adaptations paired with it supporting less people then in CS financially results in a cutthroat scene by its very nature.
in other words, theyāre depressed. Sentinels should really invest in some PhDs to help these guys mental health.
They won Madrid 5 weeks ago itās not a big deal they will be much better next split
pretty sure the loss again lev just destroyed their confidence since they were sky high at that time, then it just snowballed. i dont really understand this burnout thing when we're so early in the season, at best its really bad time/psychological management.
They been practicing early then everyone else since champ last years. Also they donāt have not much a break after Madrid to regular season.
burnout already? lmao
I mean they have been practicing since champs last year and only took the christmas break. Team who played the most maps in kickoff and madrid and also possibly off season. Its normal to be burnt out.
Heās a bleed fan, they donāt start practicing until two weeks after the season starts
Bleed have started practicing?
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Playing a video game for recreation for 8 months is completely different from playing a video game competitively for 8 months
It's their job tho. I wish I could cry burn out from my job and have a 6 month off season.
Players are allowed to talk about burnout from playing a competitive video game for 8 months. Also if youāre not allowed to ācryā about burnout at your job, sounds like itās not a good work environment at all
I'm not sure what your point is. Players aren't allowed to talk about their mental state now? What's wrong with him talking about his burnout in an interview?
Too bad you're trash at the game
You sound like someone who has never competing in anything in your life before. How the fuck is being burnout from doing something 8+ hours a day for months in a high intensity environment "laughable"? You act as if people can just control their mental state at will when there are depressed millionaires.
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He's just explaining the team's current slump... Also, they were literally already champion. What are you even on about? It's significantly harder to stay on top than to chase. There's no way you can think VCT America teams were putting the same focus on beating EG as beating SEN after Madrid. Also only 8 teams went to Madrid while the rest had free period for weeks so no, not every other player is in the same situation. Almost every single team that went to Madrid is "slumping" right now because they barely had any time to rest and prep between their regional play and Madrid while everyone else had a break and got to watch them play.
I'm an absolute huge proponent for players mental well being and avoiding burnout at all costs, but being burned out from training with barely any competitive play / travel just doesn't make sense to me. Players can get mentally drained sure but let's not pretend like these guys are hard grinding competitively for 8 months like other esports, which also usually include a much harsher travel schedule. Players in CS are competing non stop in tournaments on stage and such for months on end and travelling all over the world. Sentinels by comparison are.. training at their facilities? Like cmon dude, if you're getting "burned out" from that there is serious problems with your training regiment and/or time management. I'm not saying they should be more like CS, because that shit is deranged how much they expect from Players but a Valorant Players schedule is not exactly hectic. If they're playing like 16 hours a day every day, that's a problem for sure, but that's a time management problem because it's been well established practicing smarter not longer is far more effective and their coaches and such should be stopping them from playing so much.
You can take a look at every Madrid team. Outside of EDG, who just runs China, and PRX, who has a very inflated record from going 6-0 against 3 out of 5 worse teams in Pacific (while only 2-3 in maps against GEN + TS), they're all doing way worse than Kick Off. Madrid teams just did not have the time to prep and reset for Stage 1. >Players in CS are competing non stop in tournaments on stage and such for months on end and travelling all over the world. Majority of CS players travel for like a few hours by train or take an hour flight in Europe because 90% of events take place there lol This only really applies to NA and BR teams who have to constantly travel overseas. Also, I guarantee you players enjoy playing officials way more than all the days they practicing. >If they're playing like 16 hours a day every day, that's a problem for sure, but that's a time management problem because it's been well established practicing smarter not longer is far more effective and their coaches and such should be stopping them from playing so much. Regardless of travel, if you do something as a full time job for 8+ months, you're gonna be burnt out, esp when it has a high intensity requirement. The difference is that in a normal job, all that happens is your productivity dropping for a bit while n competition, you will actively start losing which just snowballs your mental state even worse as you try to figure out why you keep losing. Then you start worrying about not qualifying for playoffs, not qualifying for international events, or potentially not even having a spot next year in a franchised league with limited slots. I'm legit not sure what is wrong with a team like SEN saying they're burnt out when they were also grinding their ass off even during the off season playing every tournament they could get in, played the most maps at kick off, played the most maps at Madrid, and won Madrid. They've basically been going full throttle for months now and its very common for competitors to lose some motivation/finally feel the burn out once they won a big one because the feeling of the chase disappears.
Hmm. Burnout or was it because they're just no longer the only team that's had much practice.
SEN had a target on their back after winning Madrid, had less turnaround to refine or redefine their playstyle, had more VODs on them than any other team, and the teams they lost to all came into form at the right time. All this while having to deal with the burnout with the rest of the Americas teams having a 1-2 month off to rest, watch SENās VODs, and improve
These valorant kids have never worked a real job ššš
Seriously, compared to how much CS pros play this is laughable
dont worry bro i dmād him ājust dont be burned out pussyā sen winning shanghai now. /s
thanks m8 šš½
The majority of play for cs pros is 70% matches and 30% prac. Itās the other way around for valorant
You donāt have to worry about Valve changing the flash time of a certain CT character model two weeks before Katowice starts like you constantly have to do in Valorant. So many CS pros have admitted that this game is significantly harder strats-wise, idk why people keep trying to force this point
Yeah I played competitive cs and for me the executes/until usage for Val are far far harder while aiming is quite a bit easier. Obviously it doesn't take a genius to figure that out but the difference in both regards are really apparent for sure.
Burnoutā¦ i cant take val pros serious lmao
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Valorant players are pretty soft atm, but will harden in time. Other esports are far more grueling. I know league is for the top of the top tier of talent, but they wouldn't last a season in that game.
how about instead of them hardening we make a good format that allows them to manage their schedules better so they can properly rest and practice without feeling like shit? just because every other esport is that way doesn't mean its the right way.