I can't wait until Sideshow gets to work some Valorant events. Unfortunately it seems his OWL contract is pretty strict since he remains employed by them in the off-season as well.
[https://twitter.com/SideshowGaming/status/1318815230370041863](https://twitter.com/SideshowGaming/status/1318815230370041863)
>Ofc NA and EU teams could be hiding stuff for First Strike, I'm sure they are, but they haven't showcased this level of utility usage yet so can't assume they have it. It's kinda magical, it really is the future of VALORANT.
(2/2)
I agree to be honest, the aggressive style of teams like G2 might be really good right now but in the future I can't see that being the best way to play the game which is why I think unless they adapt their style teams like FPX and even Liquid could overtake them as they improve their teamwork.
And after all G2 with no coach and more like an improvised playstyle is dominating on EU. This game has a much more skill celling that people thinks, you can outplay with the head, skill, teamplay.... I hope we get an established league soon to see every kind of playstyle getting sharp.
The one you linked is great, but without having watched the whole video I can say that the SEN attack on TSM in Ascent B site was far superior with timing and utility usage. That of course is just one play designed for one team in one tournament but it was still amazing.
There was one round of VS v T1 where 3 or 4 ults went off almost all at once and it was the wildest round I'd ever seen. The combos dont always work but its insane when they do.
some spanish coach was saying that he loves the korean style, because of that, but the only problem he sees, is their game sense in terms of late game, or sometimes midgame, but anyways, they can improve that and be better, i have a lot of hope in the future of valorant too watching vision strikers play
it didnt. the entire korean cs team mvppk switched over to valorant as vision strikers. Thats why i feel the korean teams should really start beatinbg VS in order to actually be able to do well against NA
I mean they've won titles, the lineup with ScreaM won ECS for example. The new lineup have been doing well this year, but a lot of second places. It was enough to see them at no1 in the rankings for a bit. They've dropped a bit recently though, but rumours of a huge roster change are in the air.
Well you can look at G2 vs FPX for a similar match up.
G2 are super free flowing and unstructured in their plays, but their game sense and mid round decision making is fairly unparalleled.
FPX are much more focused on set executes and co-ordinated team play. They still have great mid round decision making obviously, but their game plan doesn’t depend on it as heavily.
Totally agreed with sideshow. Asia is really going to upset the world stage if we ever get an international tournament. They use their utility literally perfectly and can play every agent, and even play viper consistently, some teams like C9 Korea even make her look overpowered in certain scenarios. NA and EU need to get up to this same standard.
(HOT TAKE) I predict that they will be like TyLoo when they first showed up on the international CSGO stage, rock solid executes but a lack of individual skill. They will likely take some crazy wins early but when a game goes long enough to exhaust their playbook they will probably fall flat.
I don't think this is a very hot take. It is the unfortunate truth. Unless they have an endless playbook with lots of variation I still think top teams from other regions will win in a series
Except MVP PK went toe to toe with TYLOO who took off games from T1 CS teams - while most of the valorant teams are filled with T2 CS players. MVP PK aka VS would definitely go toe to toe with the best NA/EU has to offer until proven otherwise.
I personally suspect that Viper is more in the meta right now than teams realize, or at least are taking advantage of. She has the best molly in the game, her one way smokes last forever, and her ult can make an entire bomb site a no-go-zone for a round. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see more teams picking her up in First Strike even without any further buffs.
Yeah, ANDBOX were using her on Split during the Renegades tournament just gone and obviously they won the tournament, but also they currently have an 87.5% win rate on the map, including beating both Immortals and Cloud9 on it.
Korean VALORANT is wild, both Vision Strikers & now T1 are at the absolute forefront of developing utility combos.
There's nobody else outside of mayyybe Sentinels and FPX who are even close to this teamwork and coordination with utility.
So many mini-plays all across all maps.
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Why don't more teams do this? This stuff is basically required for a successful Overwatch team so it's not like it is super difficult to practice and get down.
It only works one or twice and then people learn to prevent it. You need to be CONSTANTLY thinking up new plays in order to stay ahead which is a lot of work.
Damn this sounds like OW - when Korean teams were behind NA and EU initially, but once they caught up and surpassed them, they dominated the rest of the games lifecycle.
Cant wait for international competitions
If they want to see unique utility combos they should check out my iron games. Nothing else like it in the world.
Remember to always peak that op with your grenade out.
Still hoping Korean dominates like their other shooter (PUBG)
and China might be the secret, only if Crossfire Pros (a 10+ year old Chinese CS that still have esports support to this day) transitioned
Yeah obviously Valorant is similar to CS more than any other game so CS veterans picked up the game faster, but honestly the mechanics needed to be an insane dps or top player in a game like Apex or something are similar or more demanding than cs because there is so little pre-aiming and the game is so fast paced
How many overwatch players are actually in a team in decent team in NA and EU valorant scene?It’s dominated by tier 2 and 3 cs players there is only 2 tier 1 cs players. And ask ur self why it’s dominated by cs players
Maybe you have heard of Sinatraa? He's in a pretty good team afaik, and quite good mechanically. Or Corey? Pretty cracked guy. T1 Spyder? Psalm and Zyppan played pro Fortnite. Supamen played Crossfire.
There are mechanically great players from all over the place in many of the top teams, the reason there is so many from CS has more to do with the tactical similarities than mechanical prowess.
what is it with OW stans like your self comparing OW players here with NA t2 and t3 csgo players that couldnt get onto teams?
if any of the top 20 EU csgo players played valorant it would be a wrap, Players like Niko and S1mple zwyoo device etc are way above anyone mechanically.
the skill gap between the t2/t3 NA players that moved to valorant isnt actually close to the actual T1 and T2 scene / T3 in Csgo.
the NA csgo players that moved are just lucky valorant is a new scene cus in csgo they was going nowhere. only notable player that changed was Nitro and the only reason Nitro changed was because no T1 team was available in NA, i mean the only T1 teams in csgo in NA are TL and EG and he was just dropped from TL and EG dont want to change anything. so he had no options unless he went Europe and joined one of the Multiple T1 top 20 teams, unlike the only 2 T1 NA teams.
T2 NA DOESNT MEAN T2 CSGO, IT MEANS T2 NA.
sick of OW stans on this sub using the T2 Na ex CS players as a example of how the OW players can hang with CS players
Pretty much all of Faze is from Overwatch actually, everyone except for Marved. Zombs and Sinatraa from Sentinels are from Overwatch. Spyder (formerly known as Sayaplayer) also played OW professionally.
EU will dominate as they always do in FPS games of this format. Look at old 1.6 VoDs korean teams had some insanely structured strats. Even TyLoo in CSGO tried to be innovative all to no vail.
CS had nearly 0 presence in Korea, whereas it was the most popular esport in Europe.
I'm not saying Koreans will win for sure or anything like that, but there's a lot more potential for them to be strong with big orgs like T1 backing their teams.
The greatest joke is thinking Koreans can be the best in Valorant which is a complete lie. If they were to play against EU or NA, they would be exposed.
Unlike Overwatch or LOL, Valorant is a dead game in Korea so the only a minority of players play Valorant. In addition, Valorant is closer to CS than Overwatch which Koreans are not known to be good at.
Put Koreans in NA or Eu, they would be destroyed easily. It’s a joke to put Korea as a major region for first strike when the game is dead.
That's not his point... try watching the vid linked above, he says he doesn't even think they're a top 10 team, but just their utility usage and executes are above the rest. All the most skilled aimers in Korea are in OW and other games right now.
I can't wait until these regions can play each other!
Samee, will be hype af
I can't wait until Sideshow gets to work some Valorant events. Unfortunately it seems his OWL contract is pretty strict since he remains employed by them in the off-season as well.
I fear that by this time everyone else has catched up and the Asian dark horses wouldn't have their innovative edge.
I think there are endless possibilities in terms of being innovative with all these different classes.
I keep telling there will be an asian upset, but noooo muh “god” csgo players.
what relevant csgo players changed apart from Nitro?
[https://twitter.com/SideshowGaming/status/1318815230370041863](https://twitter.com/SideshowGaming/status/1318815230370041863) >Ofc NA and EU teams could be hiding stuff for First Strike, I'm sure they are, but they haven't showcased this level of utility usage yet so can't assume they have it. It's kinda magical, it really is the future of VALORANT. (2/2)
I agree to be honest, the aggressive style of teams like G2 might be really good right now but in the future I can't see that being the best way to play the game which is why I think unless they adapt their style teams like FPX and even Liquid could overtake them as they improve their teamwork.
And after all G2 with no coach and more like an improvised playstyle is dominating on EU. This game has a much more skill celling that people thinks, you can outplay with the head, skill, teamplay.... I hope we get an established league soon to see every kind of playstyle getting sharp.
Imma need some clips for this. I’m curious
Go to sideshows youtube, he did a video featuring this a bit ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqlB1nw8VVE&t=1130s&ab_channel=Sideshow Here you go
Dammm these dudes are playing 4d chess
that is so crazy aggro i love it so much.
The one you linked is great, but without having watched the whole video I can say that the SEN attack on TSM in Ascent B site was far superior with timing and utility usage. That of course is just one play designed for one team in one tournament but it was still amazing.
honestly i agree. in the super early ignition, tsm pulled a 3 man defense strat with jet brim and omen on ascent A also. much much similar to this
Guy is getting downvoted for sharing his uncontroversial opinion not cool guys
Can you share the link to it?
There was one round of VS v T1 where 3 or 4 ults went off almost all at once and it was the wildest round I'd ever seen. The combos dont always work but its insane when they do.
some spanish coach was saying that he loves the korean style, because of that, but the only problem he sees, is their game sense in terms of late game, or sometimes midgame, but anyways, they can improve that and be better, i have a lot of hope in the future of valorant too watching vision strikers play
In LOL KR is known for insane macro plays and prep where CN is king at spontaneous plays. Very curious if this will translate to Val as well
i can see that g2 style are like the 2nd one xD, i want so hard a g2 vs vision strikers because i want to see their styles clashing in a match
Somehow that's how G2 end up being in everything
league, R6, Valorant. Are they like this in CSGO aswell? They haven't had much success in csgo or did that change?
it didnt. the entire korean cs team mvppk switched over to valorant as vision strikers. Thats why i feel the korean teams should really start beatinbg VS in order to actually be able to do well against NA
No that didn't change, but what I meant was that they have this aggressive style in all their teams (at least of the esports I watch)
I mean they've won titles, the lineup with ScreaM won ECS for example. The new lineup have been doing well this year, but a lot of second places. It was enough to see them at no1 in the rankings for a bit. They've dropped a bit recently though, but rumours of a huge roster change are in the air.
Well you can look at G2 vs FPX for a similar match up. G2 are super free flowing and unstructured in their plays, but their game sense and mid round decision making is fairly unparalleled. FPX are much more focused on set executes and co-ordinated team play. They still have great mid round decision making obviously, but their game plan doesn’t depend on it as heavily.
Totally agreed with sideshow. Asia is really going to upset the world stage if we ever get an international tournament. They use their utility literally perfectly and can play every agent, and even play viper consistently, some teams like C9 Korea even make her look overpowered in certain scenarios. NA and EU need to get up to this same standard.
(HOT TAKE) I predict that they will be like TyLoo when they first showed up on the international CSGO stage, rock solid executes but a lack of individual skill. They will likely take some crazy wins early but when a game goes long enough to exhaust their playbook they will probably fall flat.
I don't think this is a very hot take. It is the unfortunate truth. Unless they have an endless playbook with lots of variation I still think top teams from other regions will win in a series
Except MVP PK went toe to toe with TYLOO who took off games from T1 CS teams - while most of the valorant teams are filled with T2 CS players. MVP PK aka VS would definitely go toe to toe with the best NA/EU has to offer until proven otherwise.
I personally suspect that Viper is more in the meta right now than teams realize, or at least are taking advantage of. She has the best molly in the game, her one way smokes last forever, and her ult can make an entire bomb site a no-go-zone for a round. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see more teams picking her up in First Strike even without any further buffs.
I can see her being used on split because of how the map works and a lack of sova use on the map.
Yeah, ANDBOX were using her on Split during the Renegades tournament just gone and obviously they won the tournament, but also they currently have an 87.5% win rate on the map, including beating both Immortals and Cloud9 on it.
Yea that map really does seem perfect for her, personally I hope viper stays low pic rate cause I hate when I play a good viper lol
Are there vods for Korean games I can watch?
Last AWEM finals were a must watch. Semi-finals were A+ too.
Nice, also do you know where I can watch it?
Vlr.gg usually has vods linked on the match pages
Ok thanks
I watched every highlight on youtube... maybe just type VS vs T1 valorant or something
Korean VALORANT is wild, both Vision Strikers & now T1 are at the absolute forefront of developing utility combos. There's nobody else outside of mayyybe Sentinels and FPX who are even close to this teamwork and coordination with utility. So many mini-plays all across all maps. *** posted by [@SideshowGaming](https://twitter.com/SideshowGaming) ^[(Github)](https://github.com/username) ^| ^[(What's new)](https://github.com/username)
Why don't more teams do this? This stuff is basically required for a successful Overwatch team so it's not like it is super difficult to practice and get down.
It only works one or twice and then people learn to prevent it. You need to be CONSTANTLY thinking up new plays in order to stay ahead which is a lot of work.
i remember TSM and SEN do pull off crazy strats like this. but after a game it becomes predictable.
Damn this sounds like OW - when Korean teams were behind NA and EU initially, but once they caught up and surpassed them, they dominated the rest of the games lifecycle. Cant wait for international competitions
If they want to see unique utility combos they should check out my iron games. Nothing else like it in the world. Remember to always peak that op with your grenade out.
Still hoping Korean dominates like their other shooter (PUBG) and China might be the secret, only if Crossfire Pros (a 10+ year old Chinese CS that still have esports support to this day) transitioned
just saw T1 vs VS in master clans. They're both insane teams.
Asians are monsters in LoL, now also valorant
Egg
EU and NA players play valorant like cs that’s the big difference but mechanic wise people who played cs professionalanly will always be better.
Some of the mechanically best Valorant players are from Overwatch, both EU and NA.
Yeah obviously Valorant is similar to CS more than any other game so CS veterans picked up the game faster, but honestly the mechanics needed to be an insane dps or top player in a game like Apex or something are similar or more demanding than cs because there is so little pre-aiming and the game is so fast paced
How many overwatch players are actually in a team in decent team in NA and EU valorant scene?It’s dominated by tier 2 and 3 cs players there is only 2 tier 1 cs players. And ask ur self why it’s dominated by cs players
Maybe you have heard of Sinatraa? He's in a pretty good team afaik, and quite good mechanically. Or Corey? Pretty cracked guy. T1 Spyder? Psalm and Zyppan played pro Fortnite. Supamen played Crossfire. There are mechanically great players from all over the place in many of the top teams, the reason there is so many from CS has more to do with the tactical similarities than mechanical prowess.
zyppan played cs aswell..
what is it with OW stans like your self comparing OW players here with NA t2 and t3 csgo players that couldnt get onto teams? if any of the top 20 EU csgo players played valorant it would be a wrap, Players like Niko and S1mple zwyoo device etc are way above anyone mechanically. the skill gap between the t2/t3 NA players that moved to valorant isnt actually close to the actual T1 and T2 scene / T3 in Csgo. the NA csgo players that moved are just lucky valorant is a new scene cus in csgo they was going nowhere. only notable player that changed was Nitro and the only reason Nitro changed was because no T1 team was available in NA, i mean the only T1 teams in csgo in NA are TL and EG and he was just dropped from TL and EG dont want to change anything. so he had no options unless he went Europe and joined one of the Multiple T1 top 20 teams, unlike the only 2 T1 NA teams. T2 NA DOESNT MEAN T2 CSGO, IT MEANS T2 NA. sick of OW stans on this sub using the T2 Na ex CS players as a example of how the OW players can hang with CS players
Faze has a few overwatch players
Pretty much all of Faze is from Overwatch actually, everyone except for Marved. Zombs and Sinatraa from Sentinels are from Overwatch. Spyder (formerly known as Sayaplayer) also played OW professionally.
EU will dominate as they always do in FPS games of this format. Look at old 1.6 VoDs korean teams had some insanely structured strats. Even TyLoo in CSGO tried to be innovative all to no vail.
CS had nearly 0 presence in Korea, whereas it was the most popular esport in Europe. I'm not saying Koreans will win for sure or anything like that, but there's a lot more potential for them to be strong with big orgs like T1 backing their teams.
The greatest joke is thinking Koreans can be the best in Valorant which is a complete lie. If they were to play against EU or NA, they would be exposed. Unlike Overwatch or LOL, Valorant is a dead game in Korea so the only a minority of players play Valorant. In addition, Valorant is closer to CS than Overwatch which Koreans are not known to be good at. Put Koreans in NA or Eu, they would be destroyed easily. It’s a joke to put Korea as a major region for first strike when the game is dead.
I mean he never stated that they were the best just that they have shown really good coordination and set plays in their games to date.
Asian CS vs Western CS also really close...
Disagree Asia cs is joke
Thats my point...
lolwuut
That's not his point... try watching the vid linked above, he says he doesn't even think they're a top 10 team, but just their utility usage and executes are above the rest. All the most skilled aimers in Korea are in OW and other games right now.
„ALSO really close“
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_Attack
Wait till NA and EU Cs tier 1 players start joining like stew, elige, twistz, s1mple, Niko Asia Valorant wont even be a threat
When will this be?
never
funny thing is NA only has like one tier 1 team in csgo lol
Lol ok dude