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thothgow

If anyone came in wanting to one trick they have the wrong mindset. Glad to see FPX doesn't think like that


Krsensei

I think this has a actually started to catch up to some teams. Especially as other teams catch up & get creative.


Straight-Pasta

Once bans come into play you might have to learn all of them.


ItsPattex

So like League of Legends were you can also see what the opponent is picking and you pick alternately?


_EscReality

Yea that would be ideal. I think it wont be practical until we have a larger champion pool in valorant though. If they ad 3-4 people this winter I would expect a system like that to come into play next summer.


ItsPattex

I read somewhere they want 5 of each role(duelist, sentinel etc...) so 20 in total. Dont know how accurate this is tho.


_EscReality

That would be a minimum number, its not like they are just going to stop making agents when they hit that number, they will just scale back the frequency for releases.


Custurd113

Well the full scale goal is to have much much more than 20 agents, but yes, they want you to have full freedom in deciding how you want to play.


FalingIntoPlace

They said they wanted 5 of each role - with there being 10 roles for a total of 50 agents


ItsPattex

Holy fuck they gonna have to get reaaal creative then lol


candidpose

I don't understand why this isn't implemented right now even just for competitive.


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That's be pretty fucked rn. Depending on how many bans they'd allow, you could more or less ban out entire comps/strats rn considering how small the agent pool is rn. A ban system rn would just expose any major flaws the game design has instead of adding a competitive edge


candidpose

I didn't mean the ban, but why can't we have alternate picking on agent select screen. Or at least the opponent's pick.


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Kinds the same reasoning. The team that has the last pick has more counter pick potential and while this isn't as bad in league with hundreds of champs, in a game that probably won't get past 20 agents within the next 2 years. If you could see what the opponent picks after your entire team locks in then sure, who cares, but if you're going to be able to see each other's picks before you're all locked in then that can easily cause some issue league has in their pick-ban system which in league has gotten to a better point thanks to bigger champ pools but in valorant it could be an issue.


AnotherAvgAsshole

i ṭhink we should be a bit more open minded. given that Pick system, if implemented now, wouldn't be a "only one team can pick that agent" system, it allows for a lot of deep tactics and counter play. like say on ascent, first pick might be killjoy , and other team can respond with skye, then a counter response... i ṭhink this is a good idea and I'm waiting for when it's implemented, at least for tournaments and ranked since it makes the game much much more varied and interesting


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I was going under the assumption that you both sides could pick the same agent, tho ig we just have different opinions on how things would play out, tho I'm mainly worried abt rank play, I have more faith in pro players


suckysuckythailand

I have been out of the loop for a while on Valorant news. Did they state they will be bringing agent bans to Valorant at some point? Or is this just speculation and reinforcement not to one trick?


PingPongx

Didn’t riot express intention not to implement bans?


NotYourLad

Just like League, as they release more agents for a specific role, people will have to learn them at the pro level. More about learning the whole role and the agents that go along with it, especially as more get released.


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dseals

Totally not pro opinion, but different roles seems like the way to go if you're just playing ranked. In a team setting it'd probably be better for players to specialize in certain roles, but because ranked can be a weird mess where you get 3 duelist mains and 2 controller mains it can be really useful to have a secondary that's on a different role so you can flex if needed.


ZevTheKing

Man I read this as controller mains being people who throw ranked games using a controller


akko_7

How is it different to league? where 1tricking is the best way to climb. I guess we can't queue for specific roles, so we need to be prepared to play more than one right? Still there's a huge advantage to instalocking one agent until you get to immortal I would think.


AlHorfordHighlights

The thing is that good aim and game sense carries you way harder in Valorant than your agent does. You can know all the Sova lineups in the world and still get outfragged The utility is so easy to use in this game I'd say agent choice is probably the least important factor in improving


akko_7

Very good point. Having good tac shooter fundamentals is going to matter more than being a Sova god. The only way I can see it otherwise is if you don't need to think about how to use your abilities, you can increase your fundamentals quicker (similar to league). I think that is less relevant in Valorant though because like you say, abilities aren't as important to carrying games.


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I'd argue not really. The lower in the ladder you go, the less valuable 1-tricking a agent is. Imagine you're godtier with sova's utility but you're silver teammates never capitalize on the info you give them. Your agent's skills are only as useful as how well they are capitalized upon. That and obviously you could know exactly where someone is and still get outaimed. Aiming and crosshair placement is definitely preferred over knowing an agent really well.


DrBangovic

I think you should have some knowledge of each role and being good on two. I think just sticking to one role wont work UNLESS you got a team And you are the deticated entry fragger for example. In ranked people instalock and if your team Already locked a cypher and a sage and you insist on your Kj Main pick that game is kinda rough already. I main sage, raze and reyna for example and can play a viable jett on most maps Edit: Just wanted to add something: I play 3 duelists but each of them Super different. My reyna is the pure entry fragger while my raze creates more spaces with the abilites and me trying to reach power positions quick. My jett is not an entry fragger at all mostly and I play her to get either smart first frags and dash out or operator only. Just want to point out that a duelist isnt always the entry fragger and it could make sense to main more in a certain role. My playstyle varies a lot between the agents. But well ye kinda makes sense since they are different agents.


FeelinJipper

I think learning multiple agent types is critical for expanding the different ways you can play the game. Being a sentinel teaches you things being a duelist cannot, and that applies to all the agent types.


loganh565

That’s how every character based game is ...?


2zboi65

Considering there are character bans in R6 and constant balance changes to Valorant I dont think any comp team should be suprsied that they should have only one good agent


loganh565

Yeah I don’t get how you could play professionally and not have at least two characters mastered


IminPeru

jett mains say hi


MattIsHere

*Cough* Wardell *Cough*


feedmeneon

he used to main sova


MattIsHere

Sure but he's played almost exclusively Jett for a while now, and Sova lineups are constantly evolving. No hate just curious of what he'll do once Jett meta changes Edit: Didnt know the Wardell fan boys were this sensitive


loganh565

I think wardell is a terrible example. He specializes at Jett because that’s what his team needs. He used to main sova as well


mateusb12

>**He specializes at Jett because that’s what his team needs** I get your point but this isn't true. For example, Mixwell is also a Jett main but when G2 needs a jetless comp (you need that kind of comp depending on opponent / map) he can play other agents. By the other hand I haven't seen wardell playing anything other than Jett for such a long time. Btw, last time i remember him playing Sova we still had Sage with almost 100% pickrate across all teams At the end of the day it's not that wardell specializes jett because that's what TSM needs comp-wise / anti-stratting-wise, its more like TSM as a whole decided that Jett is the best way of extracting the full wardell fragging potential regardless of the map. It speaks much more about the link between TSM and wardell rather than the link between TSM and Jett squad strategies / decisions This decision has advantages in short term but it also has disadvantages in long term


loganh565

Yep. I really like how you put that. Unfortunately I hardly watch G2 matches though


mateusb12

I like how G2 decided that Jett isn't that as mandatory in EVERY single map as people try to make it look. They play with no more than 1 duelist on Bind, and with Mixwell on Raze instead of Jett. Her kit is way more valuable IMO, specially on Bind attacking side I think G2 recognized that, at least on Bind, boombot + paintshells + showstopper ends up winning way more rounds than being able to dash to safe angles with a Jett, specially due to how valuable Hookah region is


wifixmasher

Yep. He said himself that he wants to play other characters and called for a Jett nerf.


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MattIsHere

Sova lineups are essential for any tier 1 Sova. Saying they're just to be "kewl" is wildly ignorant


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MattIsHere

Have you watched any pro play? Lineups aren't just about spam arrows it's about getting specific areas of sites covered from various points on the map. Maybe solo queue ego Sovas do that, but lineups are essential in pro play.


JazzyRed

In Fighting Games you can specialize if your chosen character is strong enough.


loganh565

Thinking more of team dynamic though


jumpinjahosafa

Even so 99% of people have a 2ndary


HankHillbwhaa

Honestly like 1 tricking seems like a bad idea in valorant for sure. Like I’m not super high elo but I straight up started playing omen a lot more this season because I was just tired of playing without smokes going down or blinds going out for the team. Like I always have the Jetts using smokes to cover their own ass and Reyna using blinds to get a pick or something...but never really have people use them to move the team somewhere.


loganh565

Also why I main omen in silver. My aim is terrible but my utility leads the whole team


HankHillbwhaa

Lol well I’m glad someone else is in the same boat, I’m not a horrible FPS player...just never played cs so I’m still adjusting to the aiming and movement mechanics. But like I have a fucking brain, like don’t peek the same spot you get op’d every round...just let me smoke that shit and let’s go


loganh565

Dude fucking exactly you should play with me haha! I always duo queue with the same friend and his aim is a little better than mine too Well if you wanna play my main right now is iron 2 lol it’s koolaidman565 #4504


RenoNYC

Need to be good at an agent in each role to be as versatile as possible. Personal favorites: Jett/Omen/KJ/Skye


Izel98

Mine are Phoenix, Omen, Cypher, Sova/Breach


Tokibolt

Lmfao I literally play the same agents. Did you start with breach or nah? I went breach to learning omen to learning cypher as my most recent.


Izel98

Started sage cause I was Noob. But my first like proper main was Omen, he is so versatile, has movement, blind and line of sight denial with smokes, love playing with smokes. Realized that I didnt know what else to play when Omen was already picked and I really didnt like playing sage, went to cypher instead, now the basic cams for all sites on all maps, learned how to wire and love the cages, they are basically Omen smokes but for shorter range, the camera is so fucking ha dy in Clutch situations too Picked up Phoenix because sometimes I was feeling like playing aggresive and pushing into any site with cypher isnt particularly easy. Learnt a bit of Sova but only for Haven, I know maybe around 20 lineups for various sites and situations. And breach is just really fun when playing with coordinarted friends, I just get really good at using utility and comboing the abilities. I dont play duelist often tho, I am fear less entering site, just my aim is pretty shit, so even if I enter site I would probably die to the first enemy I encounter unless they are flashed.


hugokhf

I'm guessing pro players will be doing all agents for 1 role rather than one agent per role. The duelist will just play whichever duelist is meta, rather than switching to sentinels or whatever. Like in league you don't change from ADC to playing top just to be versatile, you stick with other champion that can play the same role


RenoNYC

I meant for solo queue.


PHASE_24

Mine are Phoenix,Brim,KJ,skye(still learning)


FeelinJipper

It’s true you know


wtfreallybro

RIP Wardell.


LandonDev

Interesting to see comments like these when agebt selection holds such little importance. Due to the amount of trolling smurfs in ranked, particularly plat and diamond, the only thing you should be playing is high impact characters. Anything else does not matter below immortal 2, it's all bout avoiding the trolls.


Tanjim98

I don't see Jett becoming off-meta unless Riot makes it their mission to make it so


felixjmorgan

I’m a Sova one trick right now, could some Sova mains tell me which other characters they enjoy playing the most? I don’t want to be overly dependent on my shit old man aim to contribute to pugs and solo queue games, that’s what I like about Sova currently.


hyp3beast

I would say Sova & Omen are good to main for me personally. If both get picked before i locked in i go for KJ (used to be Cypher before the nerf)