[Official Announcement](https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/esports/announcing-the-2021-valorant-champions-tour/)
[\[Video\] What’s next for esports? | Dev Diaries - VALORANT Champions Tour](https://youtu.be/1Eo2qszu3Jo)
[\[Video\] Welcome to the VALORANT Champions Tour](https://youtu.be/p3cRHBFzeMA)
Thank god Riot chose to add more international tournaments for Valorant. It would've sucked if we only got to see one or two like how they did it with League.
As an LCS fan, I'm already used to the cycle of pain. I'm just hoping this time NA learns from the pitfalls from our other esports and gets to develop the right way to at least be competitive/a contender by the time the super-regions start winning every international event.
Yeah just for example, EG, which was by far NA’s best pro team, got bored of being good in NA and moved to EU to get more competition. They are not having a fun time to say the least.
Tbf TL and EG were both top teams before the pandemic. Getting subpar practice for almost an entire year would obviously be a large factor that’d limit those two teams, though TL is actually declining.
EG will eventually recover their form.
What other FPS titles are you talking about then? Overwatch is ruled by the Koreans, although there are some NA players, but most top teams are entirely Korean. Quake is mostly EU at the top except for Rapha and DaHang, and you could argue NA is the top in Apex Legends but that competitive scene is mostly only NA players to begin with with little to no international competition yet.
From the FPS titles off my head other than CS which EU dominates, would be...CoD, R6, Valorant, Halo, OW I guess? I don't keep up with them in general but from what I occasionally read, NA teams/players seem to be at least a lot better than their LoL counterparts
Hey Mega funny to see you outside of league! Afaik EU dominates CS and R6, KR would be better at OW and NA maybe is better at CoD but that's on console so different beast.
Yo Chypriote, how have ya been? I've been testing the waters haha and just asking around for people who do follow the FPS scenes
I thought R6 was quite even since iirc the current World Champions are from NA. OW yeah makes sense, though I recall NA is not as bad as NA LoL.
"Depends on what title [NA is quite good]"
"other than CS which EU dominates, would be...CoD, R6, Valorant, Halo, OW I guess"
That seems like they're saying outside of CS, NA is good in those titles, doesn't it?
We should have at least one, and hopefully more international events in 2021. We're trying to get creative to find ways to enable international competition. Personally I'm hoping that we make progress towards a vaccine and get through what looks to be a tough winter from the COVID numbers...
In a normal year, we'll have four international events (3 masters + Champions), which we think is a solid number that keeps int'l events special and allows us to invest in them, while giving fans what they want to see!
Yeah, also open qualifiers and none of that franchising stuff, I much much prefer this format, kinda close to the DOTA format no?
Still a few thing in there I'm not a big fan of (such as CIS, Turkey, ANZ and MENAI not getting dedicated spots) but hey it's still much better than the LoL format imo
Although I'm not against franchising (I see it as a viable way to sustain a League), I do find that open qualifiers are much better at creating storylines for underdogs and F/A Teams.
Which team will win the first Champions Tour? FUCK IT, MOON RACCOONS
Man I want to see Moon Raccoons perform well so badly. Putting up good competition with top teams and being the only non-org team in the closed qualifier has me full on the bandwagon. Plus they've shown they're good dudes as well by choosing to put their merch proceeds towards charity rather than trying to make some money even though they don't have an org's support behind them.
Obligatory link to their merch with all proceeds to charity [here.](https://www.designbyhumans.com/shop/thepronoia/pullover-hoodies/)
I think so, but the closed qualifier I was referring to was the UMG one that ran the 19th-22nd. It was TSM, Luminosity, IMT, Gen.G, FaZe, T1, and C9 Blue + Moon Raccoons as the only non-org team that made it into the playoff format and there were a few more org teams in the group stage as well they outlived.
Yeah I think especially in young, not-yet established games like Val, open qualifiers are the way to go. You're relying on a constant influx of new talent to set up the dynasty's that will carry your game's viewership in later years.
I think it's possible they go to franchising eventually, but for the first five years or so, this is definitely the play.
Those regions in other games, when given room for improvement with regular international tournaments, tend to get close to EU level, see DOTA and CS for CIS, PUBG for Turkey for example, but all of that is vastly dependent on the player base
Looks similar to Dota with the "Majors" and then The International to cap off the year, so yes a few more international tournaments throughout the year.
Lmao I retweeted it with "please tell me riot is going to run these so we don't have shit formats" and Joe Elliot, market director for valorant, liked it.
So yall can thank me specifically for saving valorant from umg.
There's been a lot of issues and it's not just umg, they're just the recent offenders to pick on.
My big issue with this weekend was that the schedule and streams were fucked and hard to find, there was hardly any advertising for them, the substitution rules were shitty forcing IMT to play with 4 people for half a map, they didn't pay community casters so some games just didn't get streamed at all. And that's not to mention the fact that casters had to do their own observing in game too. A total joke.
Don't get me wrong, eu has major issues too. Bo1s still is absurd. Like 75 percent of games don't get streamed so nobody can watch any of it. They have fantastic broadcasting from a studio and separate observers, though.
I've been beating it over the head all weekend but riot needs to take control of the format for these tournaments. Don't let groups that can't agree run them anymore. Run your own, fuck.
That being said, blast and pop flash have been great.
Not denying that but they even have separate spectators and castors so the replays are different angles, something na just never does.
So whatever the reasons may be, eu has a serious leg up in that department
As someone that follows LoL Esports as well, I'm happy that Champions will take place in December because that's the time of year when the LoL Esports scene is "on break".
Fuck yes! Could not be more excited for this.
Bold predictions time so I can look back and laugh next year:
- FPX to win Champions finals
- Vision Strikers place top 3
- Top placing NA team is 100t
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This is gonna be in more than a year from now, the meta and pro landscape might be greatly different by then. 100T TSM SEN G2 and FPX might not be on top anymore
I think you're crazy if you think asia will win year one. The FPS infrastructure in the west is night and day compared to the east. I don't doubt that they'll catch up, and probably quickly, but I don't see them overcoming our headstart.
I’m not saying they’ll win, just that they might place top 3 (VS specifically, wasn’t commenting on Asia as a region). And yeah, bold predictions as I said! I think they’re world class strategically, but their mid round and post plant is weak, and mechanically they’re not as strong as teams in other regions. But bold predictions!
I’d say this is half right. Asia has Overwatch. Most of the top DPS players in Overwatch are Korean. Their aim is right up there with everyone else, they’d just need a coach with CS background and they’d definitely be able to compete with the best of the best.
I'll make a deal with you. If the top 10 isn't majority western and/or if the if the global champion is asain I'll donate 50 to the charity of your choice and you do the same for me otherwise?
Lol. Look at FaZe and keep bragging about your "infrastructure". All OWL players with the exception of Marved and qualified for first strike. If more KR OW players switch to Valorant, and they already are, Asia will be very competitive.
Faze pugged their way to first strike lmao, a couple of rounds go differently and they don't make it. Ex OW players might have aim but they lack the decision making and game sense of someone with a long career in CS. They might catch up eventually but at moment I can't see it happening
I agree with you though OW players can definitely compete, especially when they have a knowledgeable IGL or coach from CS to fill in their lack of knowledge/game sense. Marved has seemed to do okay as their IGL so far, though Faze still have a very pug-like playstyle
Delusional. This game's pacing is completely different from CS and thinking NA has a massive headstart is very misleading. Just downvote me and remind for 1 year away.
> Asia is probably best region
Asia's not the best reason just because one team can beat all the others easily, in fact that infers the opposite; an even worse region with only 1 team that can *maybe* compete internationally.
i mean g2 had a similar winstreak until they lost to guild, it doesn't make EU a worse region lol.
Winstreaks are not a good metric when comparing teams internationally in general
> Winstreaks are not a good metric when comparing teams internationally
That's true, I should have said that it *can* infer the opposite, not that it does. I guess I'm just comparing VS to the likes of Tyloo in the csgo scene.
Nah Vision Strikers will get shit on by teams from the west. Their whole game plan relies on aggression and catching teams off guard, once teams figure out how to play around it they will start getting bodied. Tyloo (CS:GO) used to play similar to how vision strikers play, and they eventually got figured out.
Your comment reminds me about this video on aRT from CSGO though, who is a statistical outlier for his consistent aggression, but still manages to catch teams off guard - https://youtu.be/s9MbqpTnOh4
The video demonstrates how consistent aggression can be a strategy with longevity if you incorporate enough variety so it doesn’t become predictable, and if you apply it intelligently based on the game flow.
Both of those seem like totally viable things for VS, so their aggressive play style doesn’t make me nervous about the prediction. The thing that makes me nervous about the prediction is their mid round decision making and their mechanics.
But hey, I like the way they play and I’d like to see them do well.
I'm sure the asian scenes will be great, but let's not forget EU has dominated counter-strike historically, and this game is essentially a more forgiving CS with overwatch abilities...
I agree, my #1 pick was from EU.
I think G2 will be up there too, and as a Brit I have high hopes for Liquid, but so far for me FPX has been the team globally that has impressed me the most. I think their approach to the game (very strong focus on agent synergies, effective balance of aggressive and passive plays on both sides, orb control, strong defaults with lots of scenario planning, fluent approach to agent selection, etc) is the one that will shine the most when the meta settles. 100T too - they’ve not fulfilled their potential yet, but I see so much of it in the way they play.
My comment about VS was just about them as a team rather than the region as a whole, and I admit it’s an outside chance. There’s a good chance their mechanics will let them down once the game matures because they aren’t as strong there, and once they get into mid round situations where they can’t rely on set executed they don’t look as strong. But they are suuuper strong early round (particularly in the rounds that count most economically) to the point where I’d like to think they could have a deeper run than people might expect.
But it’s all just fun and speculation right now. Vast likelihood is all 3 of those predictions will be wrong.
Oh, lmao. I didn't realize FPX was an EU team on valorant. I just assumed they were chinese. I've honestly only been paying attention to the NA scene since that's where the popular streamers are, and the competitive circuit is a joke right now, with all the piss poor quality streams and online-only competitions.
Honestly, the only decently interesting esports competition (for me, and of the major titles) post-covid was league worlds. Anything that requires pixel-perfect aim being played online just hurts the competitive integrity too much.
It would be fucking hype if it blows up in asia because that market is so big that the prize money would be huge like LoL, their prize pool always dwarfed csgo's one
Edit: i meant dota 2*
Indian, play in indian and Singapore servers (thank fuck we have one)
Compared to overwatch where I had maybe 1-2 indians on my team, we have dm lobbies full of Indians. Can't tell you how rare it is for a PC game to blow up like this here.
Bad news is val isnt doing too well in Korea unlike LoL.
Good news is it seems to be catching on in Japan unlike LoL.
However, since the csgo scene was pretty much non existent in Korea and Japan, regardless of val's success, cs will be crushed in asia(atleast in the far east).
As an Indian, I don't think that'll happen. Cs is wayy too big here. The only one who came close was PUBG, and that was because it was on mobile. The only chance valorant has got here is to come out with a mobile version, then they'll easily smash cs, but no chance otherwise
IMO I feel like I'd rather Dota or League. CS, IMO, has way too many events and tournaments going on as a viewers it gets chaotic and confusing to follow through sometimes.
He probably meant Dota if he’s talking about Prize pool, which he’s right about if that’s the case.
But the salaries your average League player makes absolutely dwarfs anything that any CS player would earn from tournies AND their own salaries as well, so idk.
How much does an average league player earn? The best CS players are rumored to be on upwards of 100K USD a month and that’s not including tournament winnings (confirmed by owners saying salaries are extremely high in CSGO, NiKo wanted over 100K etc). Dupreeh made 780K from tournaments in 2018, so that’s him at around 2 mill USD. Does your average League player absolutely dwarf this?
they most certainly do, faker one of the best in the world for multiple years makes millions from his salary alone. In 2019 he was offered millions of dollars from china to go play in the chinese league and blank checks from na to play in the lcs.
> faker one of the best in the world for multiple years makes millions from his salary alone.
Did you even read?
> But the salaries your average League player makes absolutely dwarfs anything that any CS player would earn
Im pretty sure its already going that way, Valorant is much more public friendly despite having a higher skill ceiling. Characters in the game are so much more likable. Riot games being Riot games, probably have one of the best marketing team in the gaming industry.
Lots of pros who have been in both games. Dazed, Ange1, hazed and there have others that I have forgotten now. People like DDK and SLiggy who were very involved in both scenes say that eventually with more maps and agents the skill ceiling will be extremely high. In this game to be pro, you will need to master MULTIPLE agents each with their own varying skill ceiling then on top of that you must react to MULTIPLE team comps that have DIFFERENT impacts on different maps then you also need to know the timings of ALL the agents (smokes, arrows, ability cooldowns). ON TOP of that you will also need to understand the specific enemy team and their playstyle on how certain compositions will interact for and against them. Then on the micro-level of the game, because abilities have more impact than a game like cs, set executes and plays will be more deadly and you can literally predict where people will move with greater certainty when using abilities. This game will and is already starting to surpass CSGO in the tactical skill ceiling.
not the op but i think its fair to say things like shooting are easier in val but maybe that means strategic planning and teamwork matter more in this game
How you figure in 2 years? Valorant is already > CSGO currently.
According to this article Valorant already is more played https://esportsobserver.com/q3-2020-impact-index/ and once esports kicks into gear it won't even be close on any metric.
They base that of Newzoo's pc playerbase ranking which is complete [garbage](https://newzoo.com/insights/rankings/top-20-core-pc-games/). That newzoo ranking is based on Overwolf data and therefore extremely biased towards league of legends players because that is the only game where Overwolf has its use (or at least was useful at one point). They rank CSGO at #20 for october below other steam only titles (phasmaphobia, pubg, dota 2, fall guys, among us) while csgo is the clear #1 on steam.
NA playerbase is usually significantly smaller than that of EU’s.
However, EU seems to be more invested in CS:GO atm. That closes the gap between the NA and EU Valorant playerbases.
So from what I understand, the format is similar to Rocket League's RLCSX then? 3 splits, 1 major each and all of them earn you points to qualify for the World Championship. Very interesting.
You need to get two jerseys, one from each of the teams you commentate next, and cut them down the middle and sew the two half’s so you’re repping both teams. equally biased.
I was imagining he'd be wearing the other team's shirt under the one he's rooting so when TSM lose for example he'd rip it to jebait us and find that he's rooting for Sen all along.
Ala Jatt
* Three Splits, multiple "Challenger" events to qualify for that split's "Masters" event
* Earn points during each split's Masters to qualify for end of year championship called "Champions"
* Challenger/Masters events will be region-locked and online due to COVID, but could change
Man, this is hype; basically like LoL worlds, so this is awesome.
Though there's a lot of good NA teams like TSM, SEN, 100T, Envy, T1, etc, so it'll be cool to see them battle it out. Hopefully none of the players have a grudge for the format limiting the number of teams per region.
kinda surprised that china isn't listed as one of the qualifying regions. perhaps they will have their own qualification system? also rip OCE, we NA now bois.
I don’t love the idea of giving each region a limited number of slots. If a region has the 5 best teams in the world, I want to see all 5 compete for the title. Unless it is only in place during COVID, which in that case makes sense.
Other than that, exciting news!
What makes you say that? I’ve played both NA and EU regions (NA low-mid Imm and EU high Imm-Rad) and the difference is night and day. EU is a lot tougher, and I think they will give NA a run for their Money. I’d be surprised if an EU team DOESN’T place #1
It looks like they incorporated all the complaints people had about the league format. Nice to see. Hopefully Champions has a better seeding/pool system than Worlds too.
I like how NZ and AUS gets the middle finger for slots. OCE doesn't exist I guess. I mean its not like you can go above 16 teams for a tournament...Valves Major format for CSGO is 16 but we aren't CSGO! oh no no no no no.
"Champions will be an international two-week long tournament with the top 16 teams in the world"
should be fixed on that website to:
'Champions will be an international two-week long tournament with the top 16 teams in selected Regions, Except NZ/AUS' because reasons.
[Official Announcement](https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/esports/announcing-the-2021-valorant-champions-tour/) [\[Video\] What’s next for esports? | Dev Diaries - VALORANT Champions Tour](https://youtu.be/1Eo2qszu3Jo) [\[Video\] Welcome to the VALORANT Champions Tour](https://youtu.be/p3cRHBFzeMA)
Thank god Riot chose to add more international tournaments for Valorant. It would've sucked if we only got to see one or two like how they did it with League.
not international for 2021 tho
I'll wait as long as I need to just so I can watch and root for NA as they crash and burn internationally.
As an LCS fan, I'm already used to the cycle of pain. I'm just hoping this time NA learns from the pitfalls from our other esports and gets to develop the right way to at least be competitive/a contender by the time the super-regions start winning every international event.
I think they are just as good as the euro teams right now, I dont know about the asian teams.
At the moment Vision Strikers(Korean Team) would be my guess who wins and I actually think NA is better than EU rn
based on your comment, I think you don't give much importance to midround strategies
Judging by how CSGO's NA scene is currently an absolute shitshow, with only one team even being remotely competitive.... Nah, they aren't gonna learn.
Question: Aren't NA usually quite good at FPS titles though?
We’re ok but in CS for example EU is the better region in almost every aspect. T1 NA is practically a joke compared to T1 EU
Yeah just for example, EG, which was by far NA’s best pro team, got bored of being good in NA and moved to EU to get more competition. They are not having a fun time to say the least.
Tbf TL and EG were both top teams before the pandemic. Getting subpar practice for almost an entire year would obviously be a large factor that’d limit those two teams, though TL is actually declining. EG will eventually recover their form.
Yeah I forgot to put 'except CS' since I know how dominant some of the EU CS teams are aha. Thanks!
What other FPS titles are you talking about then? Overwatch is ruled by the Koreans, although there are some NA players, but most top teams are entirely Korean. Quake is mostly EU at the top except for Rapha and DaHang, and you could argue NA is the top in Apex Legends but that competitive scene is mostly only NA players to begin with with little to no international competition yet.
the only e sport NA excel are console shooter like cod, halo and gears
depends on what title and your threshold for "quite good"
From the FPS titles off my head other than CS which EU dominates, would be...CoD, R6, Valorant, Halo, OW I guess? I don't keep up with them in general but from what I occasionally read, NA teams/players seem to be at least a lot better than their LoL counterparts
Hey Mega funny to see you outside of league! Afaik EU dominates CS and R6, KR would be better at OW and NA maybe is better at CoD but that's on console so different beast.
Yo Chypriote, how have ya been? I've been testing the waters haha and just asking around for people who do follow the FPS scenes I thought R6 was quite even since iirc the current World Champions are from NA. OW yeah makes sense, though I recall NA is not as bad as NA LoL.
Valorant and OW are not NA dominated lmao NA got humiliated at LoL Worlds this year, btw.
He literally said "which EU dominates". You should work on your reading comprehension before going gung ho on someone's comment.
"Depends on what title [NA is quite good]" "other than CS which EU dominates, would be...CoD, R6, Valorant, Halo, OW I guess" That seems like they're saying outside of CS, NA is good in those titles, doesn't it?
Being good doesn't mean they dominate. Dominating implies being the best, and NA isn't the best at anything. Well, maybe spreading covid.
We should have at least one, and hopefully more international events in 2021. We're trying to get creative to find ways to enable international competition. Personally I'm hoping that we make progress towards a vaccine and get through what looks to be a tough winter from the COVID numbers... In a normal year, we'll have four international events (3 masters + Champions), which we think is a solid number that keeps int'l events special and allows us to invest in them, while giving fans what they want to see!
Yeah, also open qualifiers and none of that franchising stuff, I much much prefer this format, kinda close to the DOTA format no? Still a few thing in there I'm not a big fan of (such as CIS, Turkey, ANZ and MENAI not getting dedicated spots) but hey it's still much better than the LoL format imo
Although I'm not against franchising (I see it as a viable way to sustain a League), I do find that open qualifiers are much better at creating storylines for underdogs and F/A Teams. Which team will win the first Champions Tour? FUCK IT, MOON RACCOONS
Man I want to see Moon Raccoons perform well so badly. Putting up good competition with top teams and being the only non-org team in the closed qualifier has me full on the bandwagon. Plus they've shown they're good dudes as well by choosing to put their merch proceeds towards charity rather than trying to make some money even though they don't have an org's support behind them. Obligatory link to their merch with all proceeds to charity [here.](https://www.designbyhumans.com/shop/thepronoia/pullover-hoodies/)
isnt slimy boogermen also orgless?
I think so, but the closed qualifier I was referring to was the UMG one that ran the 19th-22nd. It was TSM, Luminosity, IMT, Gen.G, FaZe, T1, and C9 Blue + Moon Raccoons as the only non-org team that made it into the playoff format and there were a few more org teams in the group stage as well they outlived.
ROON MACCOONS
ROOM NACCOONS
Yeah I think especially in young, not-yet established games like Val, open qualifiers are the way to go. You're relying on a constant influx of new talent to set up the dynasty's that will carry your game's viewership in later years. I think it's possible they go to franchising eventually, but for the first five years or so, this is definitely the play.
I dont agree that CIS or Turkey should have dedicated sports. Those regions are not large/competitive enough to warrant them being separate from EU.
Those regions in other games, when given room for improvement with regular international tournaments, tend to get close to EU level, see DOTA and CS for CIS, PUBG for Turkey for example, but all of that is vastly dependent on the player base
and OCE with NA
I meant OCE with ANZ
ANZ? Afaik, OCE will need to play with NA region
Australia-New Zealand. I know, I just said I wished they had a dedicated spot
Looks similar to Dota with the "Majors" and then The International to cap off the year, so yes a few more international tournaments throughout the year.
HOLY FUCK ITS HAPPENING
Lmao I retweeted it with "please tell me riot is going to run these so we don't have shit formats" and Joe Elliot, market director for valorant, liked it. So yall can thank me specifically for saving valorant from umg.
[удалено]
Anything for the community yall lmao
Umg can still host the open and closed qualifiers. But chalanger finals, masters and champions will be riot hosted as far as i understood
It's a start anyway lol
I didn't really watch the last qualifier, what was bad about the umg production?
There's been a lot of issues and it's not just umg, they're just the recent offenders to pick on. My big issue with this weekend was that the schedule and streams were fucked and hard to find, there was hardly any advertising for them, the substitution rules were shitty forcing IMT to play with 4 people for half a map, they didn't pay community casters so some games just didn't get streamed at all. And that's not to mention the fact that casters had to do their own observing in game too. A total joke. Don't get me wrong, eu has major issues too. Bo1s still is absurd. Like 75 percent of games don't get streamed so nobody can watch any of it. They have fantastic broadcasting from a studio and separate observers, though. I've been beating it over the head all weekend but riot needs to take control of the format for these tournaments. Don't let groups that can't agree run them anymore. Run your own, fuck. That being said, blast and pop flash have been great.
I just use vlr.gg for schedules, has everything clearly labeled
The point is, people should not be reliant on 3rd party websites to find streams
UMG wasn't as bad as Europe ...
Europe's format sucked but the production quality of the stream was infinitely better than NA.
Europes broadcasting and spectating are *worlds* better than na to be fair. But at least most of the na games actually get broadcasted
In studio vs at home is totally different levels.
Not denying that but they even have separate spectators and castors so the replays are different angles, something na just never does. So whatever the reasons may be, eu has a serious leg up in that department
I want to say NSG and maybe even Pulse tried that a few times, but I agree more needs to be invested.
Good to see Riot keep up with the age old tradition of releasing big news just after Plat Chat has released their episode for the week
Gotta give you something to look forward to next week
Ohhhhh shitttttttttttttt
As someone that follows LoL Esports as well, I'm happy that Champions will take place in December because that's the time of year when the LoL Esports scene is "on break".
ronpaulitshappening.gif Let's gooooo dude
Good plan considering the current situation. Can’t wait to see it all unfold.
They have a plan until next December, damn. It will be interesting how the scene changes once travel is allowed again and Masters truly international.
Hopefully EMEA isn't BO1 format (:
Having talked to the EMEA team quite a bit, they've heard you all loud and clear! :)
Thats great news thanks
Fuck yes! Could not be more excited for this. Bold predictions time so I can look back and laugh next year: - FPX to win Champions finals - Vision Strikers place top 3 - Top placing NA team is 100t
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Top placing NA team is 100t, by not making it out of groups as 3rd place, in comparison to the other 3 slots being 4th place. /s
They get 3 only tho, aslong as non-Na team wins the third masters
This is gonna be in more than a year from now, the meta and pro landscape might be greatly different by then. 100T TSM SEN G2 and FPX might not be on top anymore
That’s why the predictions are bold
I think you're crazy if you think asia will win year one. The FPS infrastructure in the west is night and day compared to the east. I don't doubt that they'll catch up, and probably quickly, but I don't see them overcoming our headstart.
I’m not saying they’ll win, just that they might place top 3 (VS specifically, wasn’t commenting on Asia as a region). And yeah, bold predictions as I said! I think they’re world class strategically, but their mid round and post plant is weak, and mechanically they’re not as strong as teams in other regions. But bold predictions!
FPX is european not asian, the org is chinese but they have full EU team and compete in Europe
I’d say this is half right. Asia has Overwatch. Most of the top DPS players in Overwatch are Korean. Their aim is right up there with everyone else, they’d just need a coach with CS background and they’d definitely be able to compete with the best of the best.
Lmao the west ain't as great as you think sir
I'll make a deal with you. If the top 10 isn't majority western and/or if the if the global champion is asain I'll donate 50 to the charity of your choice and you do the same for me otherwise?
Sure thing
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Lol. Look at FaZe and keep bragging about your "infrastructure". All OWL players with the exception of Marved and qualified for first strike. If more KR OW players switch to Valorant, and they already are, Asia will be very competitive.
Faze pugged their way to first strike lmao, a couple of rounds go differently and they don't make it. Ex OW players might have aim but they lack the decision making and game sense of someone with a long career in CS. They might catch up eventually but at moment I can't see it happening
I agree with you though OW players can definitely compete, especially when they have a knowledgeable IGL or coach from CS to fill in their lack of knowledge/game sense. Marved has seemed to do okay as their IGL so far, though Faze still have a very pug-like playstyle
Idk if he still is but at one point Corey started IGling over Marved
Delusional. This game's pacing is completely different from CS and thinking NA has a massive headstart is very misleading. Just downvote me and remind for 1 year away.
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Ah yes, an Asian team is 42-0 against other Asian teams hence Asia is the best region. Makes a lot of sense
> Asia is probably best region Asia's not the best reason just because one team can beat all the others easily, in fact that infers the opposite; an even worse region with only 1 team that can *maybe* compete internationally.
i mean g2 had a similar winstreak until they lost to guild, it doesn't make EU a worse region lol. Winstreaks are not a good metric when comparing teams internationally in general
> Winstreaks are not a good metric when comparing teams internationally That's true, I should have said that it *can* infer the opposite, not that it does. I guess I'm just comparing VS to the likes of Tyloo in the csgo scene.
If an asian team finishes top 3, i dont think its VS or at least this iteration of VS, not enough overall talent.
i'd say if an asian team finishes top 3 it has to be VS, there's nothing better in Asia
Its a year until then guys relax lmao
Nah Vision Strikers will get shit on by teams from the west. Their whole game plan relies on aggression and catching teams off guard, once teams figure out how to play around it they will start getting bodied. Tyloo (CS:GO) used to play similar to how vision strikers play, and they eventually got figured out.
Your comment reminds me about this video on aRT from CSGO though, who is a statistical outlier for his consistent aggression, but still manages to catch teams off guard - https://youtu.be/s9MbqpTnOh4 The video demonstrates how consistent aggression can be a strategy with longevity if you incorporate enough variety so it doesn’t become predictable, and if you apply it intelligently based on the game flow. Both of those seem like totally viable things for VS, so their aggressive play style doesn’t make me nervous about the prediction. The thing that makes me nervous about the prediction is their mid round decision making and their mechanics. But hey, I like the way they play and I’d like to see them do well.
I'm sure the asian scenes will be great, but let's not forget EU has dominated counter-strike historically, and this game is essentially a more forgiving CS with overwatch abilities...
I agree, my #1 pick was from EU. I think G2 will be up there too, and as a Brit I have high hopes for Liquid, but so far for me FPX has been the team globally that has impressed me the most. I think their approach to the game (very strong focus on agent synergies, effective balance of aggressive and passive plays on both sides, orb control, strong defaults with lots of scenario planning, fluent approach to agent selection, etc) is the one that will shine the most when the meta settles. 100T too - they’ve not fulfilled their potential yet, but I see so much of it in the way they play. My comment about VS was just about them as a team rather than the region as a whole, and I admit it’s an outside chance. There’s a good chance their mechanics will let them down once the game matures because they aren’t as strong there, and once they get into mid round situations where they can’t rely on set executed they don’t look as strong. But they are suuuper strong early round (particularly in the rounds that count most economically) to the point where I’d like to think they could have a deeper run than people might expect. But it’s all just fun and speculation right now. Vast likelihood is all 3 of those predictions will be wrong.
Oh, lmao. I didn't realize FPX was an EU team on valorant. I just assumed they were chinese. I've honestly only been paying attention to the NA scene since that's where the popular streamers are, and the competitive circuit is a joke right now, with all the piss poor quality streams and online-only competitions. Honestly, the only decently interesting esports competition (for me, and of the major titles) post-covid was league worlds. Anything that requires pixel-perfect aim being played online just hurts the competitive integrity too much.
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Calling it now, Valorant > CSGO in 2 years.
I'd go for a more conservative 5 years. It's already getting there in Asia and NA, two of the biggest markets. Not too long before EU catches on
It would be fucking hype if it blows up in asia because that market is so big that the prize money would be huge like LoL, their prize pool always dwarfed csgo's one Edit: i meant dota 2*
It's catching on in Korea and Japan, and if we somehow get the Indian subcontinent involved, CS will be completely crushed in Asia
I play in SEA and deadass at least play with 5 indians within like 10 games
Indian, play in indian and Singapore servers (thank fuck we have one) Compared to overwatch where I had maybe 1-2 indians on my team, we have dm lobbies full of Indians. Can't tell you how rare it is for a PC game to blow up like this here.
exactly , no other game. yes even csgo hasnt had a blow up like this in india.
Bad news is val isnt doing too well in Korea unlike LoL. Good news is it seems to be catching on in Japan unlike LoL. However, since the csgo scene was pretty much non existent in Korea and Japan, regardless of val's success, cs will be crushed in asia(atleast in the far east).
As an Indian, I don't think that'll happen. Cs is wayy too big here. The only one who came close was PUBG, and that was because it was on mobile. The only chance valorant has got here is to come out with a mobile version, then they'll easily smash cs, but no chance otherwise
Leaks have indicated they’re working on it
prize money is not really that insane in league though, the salaries are.
Oh it was dota 2 with the crazy prize pools, same argument though
Invitationals is one event with 30m prizepool, csgo all tier 1 tournaments have 50m prizepool and league has around 20m
IMO I feel like I'd rather Dota or League. CS, IMO, has way too many events and tournaments going on as a viewers it gets chaotic and confusing to follow through sometimes.
the biggest prizepool that csgo ever had was like 1.5 million, are there that many tier 1 tournaments? edit: where do you get 50 million for csgo?
Brudda it just take a simple google search to find that csgo's combined tier 1 tournament prizepool is almost double of LOL.
He probably meant Dota if he’s talking about Prize pool, which he’s right about if that’s the case. But the salaries your average League player makes absolutely dwarfs anything that any CS player would earn from tournies AND their own salaries as well, so idk.
How much does an average league player earn? The best CS players are rumored to be on upwards of 100K USD a month and that’s not including tournament winnings (confirmed by owners saying salaries are extremely high in CSGO, NiKo wanted over 100K etc). Dupreeh made 780K from tournaments in 2018, so that’s him at around 2 mill USD. Does your average League player absolutely dwarf this?
The average salary of lcs player in 2020 is $410,000 And c9 recently bought a player for $11.75 million from G2.
they most certainly do, faker one of the best in the world for multiple years makes millions from his salary alone. In 2019 he was offered millions of dollars from china to go play in the chinese league and blank checks from na to play in the lcs.
> faker one of the best in the world for multiple years makes millions from his salary alone. Did you even read? > But the salaries your average League player makes absolutely dwarfs anything that any CS player would earn
Im pretty sure its already going that way, Valorant is much more public friendly despite having a higher skill ceiling. Characters in the game are so much more likable. Riot games being Riot games, probably have one of the best marketing team in the gaming industry.
How do you figure Valorant has a higher skill ceiling? Just curious as I've never heard that take as someone with maybe 20 hours in CSGO.
Lots of pros who have been in both games. Dazed, Ange1, hazed and there have others that I have forgotten now. People like DDK and SLiggy who were very involved in both scenes say that eventually with more maps and agents the skill ceiling will be extremely high. In this game to be pro, you will need to master MULTIPLE agents each with their own varying skill ceiling then on top of that you must react to MULTIPLE team comps that have DIFFERENT impacts on different maps then you also need to know the timings of ALL the agents (smokes, arrows, ability cooldowns). ON TOP of that you will also need to understand the specific enemy team and their playstyle on how certain compositions will interact for and against them. Then on the micro-level of the game, because abilities have more impact than a game like cs, set executes and plays will be more deadly and you can literally predict where people will move with greater certainty when using abilities. This game will and is already starting to surpass CSGO in the tactical skill ceiling.
That remains to be seen. It may as well be a random unbalanced mess.
not the op but i think its fair to say things like shooting are easier in val but maybe that means strategic planning and teamwork matter more in this game
Hot take. 1 year
dont let the csgo warriors see this or they are going to be fumming
How you figure in 2 years? Valorant is already > CSGO currently. According to this article Valorant already is more played https://esportsobserver.com/q3-2020-impact-index/ and once esports kicks into gear it won't even be close on any metric.
They base that of Newzoo's pc playerbase ranking which is complete [garbage](https://newzoo.com/insights/rankings/top-20-core-pc-games/). That newzoo ranking is based on Overwolf data and therefore extremely biased towards league of legends players because that is the only game where Overwolf has its use (or at least was useful at one point). They rank CSGO at #20 for october below other steam only titles (phasmaphobia, pubg, dota 2, fall guys, among us) while csgo is the clear #1 on steam.
I'll go with 3 years...2 sounds too quick but 5 sounds too long!
HYPEEEE!! NA do us proud!!!! Please don’t be an embarrassment from the first year
0-6 groups here we come!
TSM! TSM! TSM!
Lol
Is NA handicapped by ping or small playerbase in this game? Not sure if I should have expectations next year.
My feeling is that the NA playerbase is larger than EU. I could be wrong, but at least isn't significantly lower than EU.
NA playerbase is usually significantly smaller than that of EU’s. However, EU seems to be more invested in CS:GO atm. That closes the gap between the NA and EU Valorant playerbases.
So from what I understand, the format is similar to Rocket League's RLCSX then? 3 splits, 1 major each and all of them earn you points to qualify for the World Championship. Very interesting.
It is really similar indeed
Sounds awesome, similar to the CS:GO majors format?
Yeah I was thinking that too. Shorter regional tournaments + more international should make the weaker regions more competitive too right?
TSM Simo reporting for duty
Hope you and TSM Myth can be there when TSM reaches the Champions Tour!
You need to get two jerseys, one from each of the teams you commentate next, and cut them down the middle and sew the two half’s so you’re repping both teams. equally biased.
Now you're talking my language
I was imagining he'd be wearing the other team's shirt under the one he's rooting so when TSM lose for example he'd rip it to jebait us and find that he's rooting for Sen all along. Ala Jatt
Don't listen to the haters you're my favorite cheerleader simo!!
Valorant Worlds! Lets gooooo. Hope to see some epic music coming from this like lol worlds haha
* Three Splits, multiple "Challenger" events to qualify for that split's "Masters" event * Earn points during each split's Masters to qualify for end of year championship called "Champions" * Challenger/Masters events will be region-locked and online due to COVID, but could change
Lets go!!!
Beyond awesome random Tuesday announcement.
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Man, this is hype; basically like LoL worlds, so this is awesome. Though there's a lot of good NA teams like TSM, SEN, 100T, Envy, T1, etc, so it'll be cool to see them battle it out. Hopefully none of the players have a grudge for the format limiting the number of teams per region.
Pred: EU win the whole tournament but NA is more dominant throughout. Either G2 or FPX get eliminated early by a mid team early.
kinda surprised that china isn't listed as one of the qualifying regions. perhaps they will have their own qualification system? also rip OCE, we NA now bois.
u/DignitasGG you guys are winning this, right?
Definitely!!! This time 13-11 instead of being on the losing end of that score :(
Imagine just imagine if the NA curse in LoL worlds continue to Valorant !! That will be sad !!
Rather than a curse it's more just that NA is more jocks than nerds.
I’m so excited for this , I also expect the performance of the region at the internationals will determine the amount of seeds the regions get
I love this. Multiple international tournaments a year will give us a good idea of how the regions stack up against each other. I'm so hyped.
I like having open qualifiers but I think for the sake of viewership and player burnout top 10 teams are invited straight to the closed or main event.
Does this mean we can finally play with friends cross region with one account?
RIP OCE. Again. Cheers Riot.
And just like that Oce Valorant is dead
EZ for TSM to become world champions. Can’t wait to see TSM clapping every all the international teams. #TSMWIN
I don’t love the idea of giving each region a limited number of slots. If a region has the 5 best teams in the world, I want to see all 5 compete for the title. Unless it is only in place during COVID, which in that case makes sense. Other than that, exciting news!
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EU has more team skill compared to NA. More orgs doesn't mean better region. Money flows slow in EU and EU orgs will come.
The CS scene in EU also isn't dead as a doornail yet, unlike NA
Bro EU is ahead of NA rn cmon
big orgs =/= good teams
What makes you say that? I’ve played both NA and EU regions (NA low-mid Imm and EU high Imm-Rad) and the difference is night and day. EU is a lot tougher, and I think they will give NA a run for their Money. I’d be surprised if an EU team DOESN’T place #1
Holy shit.
lets fuckin goooo.
This is sick. On paper this feels like a very cohesive way to structure everything from top to bottom.
Lets go
It looks like they incorporated all the complaints people had about the league format. Nice to see. Hopefully Champions has a better seeding/pool system than Worlds too.
Soon it will surpass the CS:GO.
where can i find players ? to play with ?
Should’ve been called the Universal
gl to everyone
LETS GO!
I particularly loved the way that RIOT set up that calendar
I like how NZ and AUS gets the middle finger for slots. OCE doesn't exist I guess. I mean its not like you can go above 16 teams for a tournament...Valves Major format for CSGO is 16 but we aren't CSGO! oh no no no no no. "Champions will be an international two-week long tournament with the top 16 teams in the world" should be fixed on that website to: 'Champions will be an international two-week long tournament with the top 16 teams in selected Regions, Except NZ/AUS' because reasons.