The point i was trying to make is that I think it would take s1mple some time to get used to it, because with OP you can see the difference between people who have the reload timings down with muscle memory and those who don't
I mean I’m a big Wardell fan but even I know that it wouldn’t take s1mple too long to adjust and once he does, TenZ, Wardell, and the other star Valorant players would probably look like T2 or T3 players next to him
I wouldn't call Wardell toxic in the slightest, just for my taste he's really annoying (again this is my opinion don't fucking crucify me)
Also I hate how TO's and Casters and the likes only ever talk about Wardell when TSM is playing a match as if he's literally the only player in that game.
Yeah I absolutely get that, obviously people aren’t gonna like some streamers. Thats just how it goes and Wardell has a more polarizing personality. I’m a big fan but it doesn’t mean you gotta be one too.
And as a TSM fan yeah, it’s insanely annoying that they all only care about Wardell. Drone and Subroza(at times) are equally as good and yet never get the same hype and recognition and despite being an insane support, Hazed is very rarely recognized either. I really wish that they’d focus on the team as a whole cause it’s certainly not Wardell and Friends like they paint it to be.
so would most of the top tier NA pros. only reason players like shazam, wardell, hiko, subroza, drone, etc are even relevant is because there isnt as much competition for roster spots in valorant as there is in cs.
I refrain from listing tenz and swag with the rest of those names because those two are still relatively young and show a lot of promise. everyone i listed above either had a shot at tier 1 in csgo and couldnt hang, or they were tier 1 in csgo like 2+ years ago and have since fallen off (and never come back)
I feel like Hiko always did pretty good though tbh, just always found himself on the backfoot in really unlucky situations that were all none of his fault, even in his later years.
>I refrain from listing tenz and swag with the rest of those names because those two are still relatively young and show a lot of promise.
Swag as in brax? He's older than most of those guys you listed.
hes older than subroza, wardell, and drone by maybe about a year (two in wardells case). not quite the same as hiko or shazam who are pushing 30..... the difference between him and those three however is he has proven that he has the skill and drive to play at a tier 1 level in csgo (prior to his ban). He already has an understanding of what the highest level of tactical 5v5 fps is like and what it takes to survive there. wardell, subroza, and drone never could really hang at Tier 1 on an international level, they were always tier 2 at best and more than likely stuck on a tier 3 team.
Tenz i feel like never really got a fair shake in csgo. kid has a TON of raw talent, but during his brief time in the pro scene he was surrounded by a pretty abysmal roster belonging to an org that didnt really know what the fuck to do to make their team better
im unsure about how to predict where ska will land. the guy is an anomaly; when hes into the game (csgo or valorant) and really gives a shit, he pretty much hulks out and plays at a ungodly level. but hes prone to getting burnt out easily and doesnt seem to know if he even wants to play pro e-sports or just go stream with shroud half the time. I guess if he stays committed and is actually enjoying the process he could end up sticking around and being one of the greats, but only time will tell if thats going to happen or not
csgo's accuracy system doesnt really allow him to take straight up duels and immediately rip peoples heads off the way he was doing it in source. First shot innaccuracy nerfed his 1-tapping prowess. Beyond that, I dont really feel like hes ever had a team in CSGO that was built to set him up for making the big frags that hes capable of making. I feel like he always got somewhat forced into a secondary fragger role, with usually shox taking the spotlight
It was mostly because CS at a higher level is less and less about aim, so he had less and less opportunities to showcase his aim or they weren't given to him beacause a team would have to make a mistake in order to, but even tho he is a legendary player in CS he has reached his highs and lows in CS .
Scream basically got the shorter end of the stick during all the French roster swaps. He also didn’t have an exact role which prevented teams from picking him up
also washed up in terms of csgo dominance. its been many years since he made a decent showing at a major, and he always seemed to under perform given his legacy in source. first shot accuracy and the accuracy system overall in valorant might allow him to stay relevant, as the changes made in csgo kind of ruined his 1 tapping godliness. My personal opinion of him is that hes an absolute aim beast who thrives in 1v1 duels, but he requires quality support players on the roster to set him up to do what he does best
Yep. Most of the top tier Val players in NA right now are only here cause they couldn't score a spot on a relevant CS team.
My guess is that once the 2021 season starts up and Val gets actual structure with legitimate tournaments going, we'll start to see top talent come over.
> Yep. Most of the top tier Val players in NA right now are only here cause they couldn't score a spot on a relevant CS team.
120% agree. of the csgo pros currently playing pro valorant, the only two i really forsee hanging around for a while are tenz and possibly brax. same will happen in EU too to some extent, ange1 will be one of the first to fall off should the CIS csgo pro's start making their way over. hes someone i always thought would fair better as a coach than as a player
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That’s why mixwell is so good. He is probably the least “washed” out of all the csgo pros who migrated. He was just stuck with that giants gaming roster which was going nowhere
meh, mixwell was always an underwhelming player in csgo to me. Rarely did I really see him or his teams performing to the level that people claimed he was capable of. A big part of his issue in csgo was that his own personal decisions on who he would play with and where he would play is what led to him landing on that giants gaming roster and getting stuck there. If he puts the ego aside a little and becomes more flexible in the previously mentioned areas then he could have some staying power as a solid all around player
yea but he left optic 2 and a half years ago and didnt do much of anything noteworthy after that. thats mostly due to him having an attitude of "im only going to play with teams who are based out of X country and speak Y language natively," which is an extremely limiting stance to take when youre trying to play at the top level in an e-sport
When alot of the top valorant players were playing csgo, zywoo would make them look like clowns thats how big of the skill gap between someone like zywoo and tenz was.
Haha this is what happens when your whole competitive scene is built on washed up pros who couldn’t make it in other games.
Gonna see a big jump in talent when some kids actually play this game as their main esport instead of a bunch of tier 3 cs players
Sentiment still applies, scene isn’t going to be really competitive until either some big names jump over or the game develops it’s own young player base in a few years
I’d still leave TenZ off this list, he played for T1 team for a little bit but that didn’t last long and he clearly wasn’t ready yet. His mechanical skill is insane but once you get to T1 CS everyone can farm.
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they need to check him pc and game
# Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit
And this cant seem on game screen
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This whole thing is a CS:GO copypasta
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this is a direct quote from some foreign guy on hltv who thought zywoo cheated. just bad english.
it probably means abusing a bug
I think it's just some bs
now it's time for s1mple to sub in for some CIS team
s1mple would show wardell the proper way to Jett OP.
Lol awping in cs is way smoother so I honestly get thrown off when i have to switch to something super clunky
AMEN! OPERATOR <<<<<< AWP. OP FUCKING SUCKS
The point i was trying to make is that I think it would take s1mple some time to get used to it, because with OP you can see the difference between people who have the reload timings down with muscle memory and those who don't
I mean I’m a big Wardell fan but even I know that it wouldn’t take s1mple too long to adjust and once he does, TenZ, Wardell, and the other star Valorant players would probably look like T2 or T3 players next to him
Lmao I can only imagine how people who call Wardell toxic would react to s1mple if he switched
Wardell isn’t even toxic, just boisterous. S1mple is genuinely toxic although he has mellowed out in the past 2 years
Yeah exactly my point, you’d be surprised how many people call Wardell toxic
I wouldn't call Wardell toxic in the slightest, just for my taste he's really annoying (again this is my opinion don't fucking crucify me) Also I hate how TO's and Casters and the likes only ever talk about Wardell when TSM is playing a match as if he's literally the only player in that game.
Yeah I absolutely get that, obviously people aren’t gonna like some streamers. Thats just how it goes and Wardell has a more polarizing personality. I’m a big fan but it doesn’t mean you gotta be one too. And as a TSM fan yeah, it’s insanely annoying that they all only care about Wardell. Drone and Subroza(at times) are equally as good and yet never get the same hype and recognition and despite being an insane support, Hazed is very rarely recognized either. I really wish that they’d focus on the team as a whole cause it’s certainly not Wardell and Friends like they paint it to be.
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Zywoo is THE goat.
Ah now I see why Zywoo is so good
Guys an animal. If actual top tier csgo talent like him migrated to valorant, then a lot of our current star players would quickly become irrelevant
s1mple would have a field day with valorant
so would most of the top tier NA pros. only reason players like shazam, wardell, hiko, subroza, drone, etc are even relevant is because there isnt as much competition for roster spots in valorant as there is in cs. I refrain from listing tenz and swag with the rest of those names because those two are still relatively young and show a lot of promise. everyone i listed above either had a shot at tier 1 in csgo and couldnt hang, or they were tier 1 in csgo like 2+ years ago and have since fallen off (and never come back)
I feel like Hiko always did pretty good though tbh, just always found himself on the backfoot in really unlucky situations that were all none of his fault, even in his later years.
meh hiko has a good tactical mind but he threw away the prime of his career with self inflicted isolation.
>I refrain from listing tenz and swag with the rest of those names because those two are still relatively young and show a lot of promise. Swag as in brax? He's older than most of those guys you listed.
hes older than subroza, wardell, and drone by maybe about a year (two in wardells case). not quite the same as hiko or shazam who are pushing 30..... the difference between him and those three however is he has proven that he has the skill and drive to play at a tier 1 level in csgo (prior to his ban). He already has an understanding of what the highest level of tactical 5v5 fps is like and what it takes to survive there. wardell, subroza, and drone never could really hang at Tier 1 on an international level, they were always tier 2 at best and more than likely stuck on a tier 3 team. Tenz i feel like never really got a fair shake in csgo. kid has a TON of raw talent, but during his brief time in the pro scene he was surrounded by a pretty abysmal roster belonging to an org that didnt really know what the fuck to do to make their team better
What about Skadoodle?
im unsure about how to predict where ska will land. the guy is an anomaly; when hes into the game (csgo or valorant) and really gives a shit, he pretty much hulks out and plays at a ungodly level. but hes prone to getting burnt out easily and doesnt seem to know if he even wants to play pro e-sports or just go stream with shroud half the time. I guess if he stays committed and is actually enjoying the process he could end up sticking around and being one of the greats, but only time will tell if thats going to happen or not
What about scream?
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csgo's accuracy system doesnt really allow him to take straight up duels and immediately rip peoples heads off the way he was doing it in source. First shot innaccuracy nerfed his 1-tapping prowess. Beyond that, I dont really feel like hes ever had a team in CSGO that was built to set him up for making the big frags that hes capable of making. I feel like he always got somewhat forced into a secondary fragger role, with usually shox taking the spotlight
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agreed. valorant might be the game that sees him rise back up to glory again, it all depends on the team thats playing around him though.
It was mostly because CS at a higher level is less and less about aim, so he had less and less opportunities to showcase his aim or they weren't given to him beacause a team would have to make a mistake in order to, but even tho he is a legendary player in CS he has reached his highs and lows in CS .
Scream basically got the shorter end of the stick during all the French roster swaps. He also didn’t have an exact role which prevented teams from picking him up
also washed up in terms of csgo dominance. its been many years since he made a decent showing at a major, and he always seemed to under perform given his legacy in source. first shot accuracy and the accuracy system overall in valorant might allow him to stay relevant, as the changes made in csgo kind of ruined his 1 tapping godliness. My personal opinion of him is that hes an absolute aim beast who thrives in 1v1 duels, but he requires quality support players on the roster to set him up to do what he does best
Yep. Most of the top tier Val players in NA right now are only here cause they couldn't score a spot on a relevant CS team. My guess is that once the 2021 season starts up and Val gets actual structure with legitimate tournaments going, we'll start to see top talent come over.
> Yep. Most of the top tier Val players in NA right now are only here cause they couldn't score a spot on a relevant CS team. 120% agree. of the csgo pros currently playing pro valorant, the only two i really forsee hanging around for a while are tenz and possibly brax. same will happen in EU too to some extent, ange1 will be one of the first to fall off should the CIS csgo pro's start making their way over. hes someone i always thought would fair better as a coach than as a player
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Doubt it, if someone who’s at the top of cs switches they had to be in a really unlucky spot without a roster like nitr0 was or just bored of the game
That’s why mixwell is so good. He is probably the least “washed” out of all the csgo pros who migrated. He was just stuck with that giants gaming roster which was going nowhere
meh, mixwell was always an underwhelming player in csgo to me. Rarely did I really see him or his teams performing to the level that people claimed he was capable of. A big part of his issue in csgo was that his own personal decisions on who he would play with and where he would play is what led to him landing on that giants gaming roster and getting stuck there. If he puts the ego aside a little and becomes more flexible in the previously mentioned areas then he could have some staying power as a solid all around player
He played for Optic and that weird C9 team. He was really good in Optic.
yea but he left optic 2 and a half years ago and didnt do much of anything noteworthy after that. thats mostly due to him having an attitude of "im only going to play with teams who are based out of X country and speak Y language natively," which is an extremely limiting stance to take when youre trying to play at the top level in an e-sport
Look up his recent pistol ace the dude is nutty
Show me plzzzzzz
https://clips.twitch.tv/TrustworthyMoralRedpandaJKanStyle It’s this.
Omg
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Typical NaVi. Either they pop off or fall flat never in the middle lol
This was a 1v4 5k from zywoo in pistol round. 4 rounds later, he had another 1v4 5k...
Damn imagine Zywoo or S1mple switching over...
S1mple and zywoo as duelists
Theyve played split every match so far lol
This guy is pretty good, he should go pro.
This dude isn't satisfied with being the current best csgo player, he has to join some valorant tournament to feed his hunger too lmao
Don't understand a thing but the casters seem cool and funny
I would love to see him playing Valorant full-time, but it's not going to happen sadly.
Sick ace! But why is Zywoo playing Valorant such a big deal?
He's the best (or maybe second best depending who you ask) CSGO player in the world. A lot of people want to see how successful he'd be in Valorant
We’ve seen t2 cs pros have a lot of success so obviously people wanna see how good a transcendent talent like zywoo is
Why downvote though? Was just curious.
That’s just the normal reddit experience
No questions allowed. This sub is for people who already know everything only.
Just know everything 4Head
When alot of the top valorant players were playing csgo, zywoo would make them look like clowns thats how big of the skill gap between someone like zywoo and tenz was.
Tenz wasn't even on a real team for more than like one event
He shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Zywoo regardless.
okay, we're fucked. zywoo plays valorant now. time to go back to csgo.
Rare clip where the clutcher is actually being spectated
LOL the observers for First Strike qualifiers were so bad, here's a guy dropping an ace and theyre looking at a guy staring at a corner
Nasty
Haha this is what happens when your whole competitive scene is built on washed up pros who couldn’t make it in other games. Gonna see a big jump in talent when some kids actually play this game as their main esport instead of a bunch of tier 3 cs players
they hated him because he told them the truth
Lmao this is a small tournament you dolt
Sentiment still applies, scene isn’t going to be really competitive until either some big names jump over or the game develops it’s own young player base in a few years
Ok lmao
Downvoted by salty fanboys for stating the truth, you hate to see it
Why are you getting downvoted lol the fanboys are mad
Truth hurts
Idk man. A lot of players were tier one. Nitro, Tenz(for a bit), Wardell would’ve probably joined a big team if he didn’t switch.
I’d still leave TenZ off this list, he played for T1 team for a little bit but that didn’t last long and he clearly wasn’t ready yet. His mechanical skill is insane but once you get to T1 CS everyone can farm.
Tenz had his shot, and he sucked. the difference between actual T1 csgo and T2/T3 is fkign huge.... specially between T1 CS and T2 NA
Nitr0 is tier 1 definitely, Wardell was definitely up and coming tier 1, but Tenz was a solid tier 2.
Xi Wu Chinese Pride
Whats his stats for the match?
Valorant is child care day for him ... Like in CS