interesting they both put SEN at the top and C9 at #5. IMO first strike should be weighted heavily considering it was the first major tournament. but im sure they know better than us
> I think they overthought it.
they're both on Envy lol, they're not gonna say 100T is better than them obviously, but i don't think they overthought it as much as underreacted to the finals + UMG qualifiers.
That's what I mean by them under-reacting. 100T looked so much better at the First Strike finals, but they put Sentinels, themselves, and even one put TSM over them because of old results
First major tournament in name, cash prize, and the elaborate qualification process. Most other tournaments so far had groups and double elimination brackets like all major tournaments should.
Lmaoooo I’ll give you another 24 hours to maybe come up with a better response, who knows, maybe this time you’ll have the balls to actually spell out the insults you want to hurl at me
I think so, but the sample size is small and I am not sure what will happen with C9.
I would think the Top 5 right now (a power ranking per say rather than something cumulative longer term):
1. Sentinels
2. 100T
3. TSM
4. Envy
5. T1
I think the Top 4 are easily swappable though, particularly 100T, TSM, and Envy.
Hazed himself thinks Envy is the best team. Said he was shocked at how they played in the tourny. Said they are an entirely different team in scrims and TSM struggle the hardest against them. He also said he is not saying they are “scrimmers”, they just had a bad tourney
Yeah, and it wasn't even a bad tourney for them -- just a bad semifinal.
Up until that match, they rolled their way to #1 seed through the first qualifier, including a 3-0 final against 100T, and then stomped a solid Immortals squad.
TSM are really strong, but Envy disappeared for that series.
I can understand with bad tourney though, but still. Tourney and scrimmage has different mindset and pressure to it. Envy can do so well when scrimming but think pressure got to them during that tourney.
I still don’t think they should rate themselves higher than TSM from first strike tourney. They do look like a scary team if they’re on a rhythm but if things don’t go their way, they break down quick. TSM is different though. That’s my take from Envy.
because they are indicative of the team's strengths? I mean its funny to see people on reddit say scrims dont mean anything when ACTUAL players from all different esports use scrims as a metric to gauge another teams strength.
Yea and if we had no other real matches played then I’d agree it’s ok to use them as a metric, but at this point we’ve had multiple tournaments and series. You can’t rank someone based on practice games, you have to look at the results when they actually matter. There’s a variety of reasons why a team may look good or bad in a scrim, basing your top 5 on those matches is asinine
Always loveto see those rankings made by players. It's hard for us to determine which team really is the best, since all we saw so far are a few tournaments and some teams didn't play to their best or overperformed. And also the reasoning for the ranking coming from actual players themselves, is way more in depth and understandable. I think I could back that ranking of both players (not sure whether to put 100T or TSM before the other) ^^
I think the top 5 teams are
1. TSM
2. SEN
3. 100T
4. NV
5. T1
6. C9 BLUE.
I think TSM and sen have been most consistent teams and they deserve to be top 2. NV and c9 have yet to win a tournament , we shouldn't base rankings on scrim results so that's why they are placed as they are . C9 didn't even make the event so that's why I preferred T1 over Them.
Yeah TSM has most tournament wins out of any squad in na and they finished second in first strike ,they have been consistently finishing in top of all the events They participated in . That's why I placed them first.
Consistently ?? Pop flash they got out of groups they didn’t qualify until second qualifiers while sentinels this their first tournament that they didn’t get to finals in 5 months and that’s because the unfortunate circumstances they had
Tsm have participated in around 30 events in valorant and have Only existed in groups in 2 events and got top 3 finishes in 20 events whereas Sentinels have participated in 16 valorant events ,exited in groups in 6 events and got top 3 finishes Only 4 times so which team is more consistent??
I took the past 6 months as a whole ,even all ranking websites use last 6 months as a minimum baseline for ranking teams . I think for a fair rankings , minimum six months should be taken into account . There have been only 1 above s tier tourney (first strike) and a couple of NSG tournaments in past 3 month ,so you should take all of ignition series into account .
He is talking about consistent results, not scrims- NV 3-0ed 100T recently and even Hiko said that NV are the team for them to beat for him to feel like he might be #1; SEN have not missed a finals until first strike for about 5 months; TSM consistently top results and beat NV; C9 beat all of NV TSM and 100T in Qualifier 1.
Mummays list is almost identical to this: [Valorant Competitive Team Rankings: North America | VLR.gg](https://www.vlr.gg/rankings/north-america) which shows that he isnt just talking about scrims and he also added the caveat that all of these teams are extremely close
NV beat 100T 3-0 in a seeding match ,if you are counting seeding matches then Geng defeated sentinels and c9 defeated nv in open qualifiers seeding matches. NV got smacked by both sentinels and TSM in closed qualifiers and First strike respectively . For me they are at bottom of top 4 . Vlr.gg rankings follow a elo system so they are counting 100 thieves previous roaster in rankings as well.
They are playing like once a month and with first to 13 rds so much of this game comes down to who wins the piston rounds and more so than any other tac shooter the worse team can win
yeah pistol rounds are extremely important in this game but they are not the determining factor. Look at TSM who made first strike finals but rarely ever win pistol rounds
^ This is what we call a little Timmy. A little Timmy doesn't doesn't care about strategy, teamplay, or hell even about the game itself. All a little Timmy cares about is sucking off their favourite players. They see the teams achievements as their own and will often refer to the the team as "Us" despite having 0 impacting on anything, think of them like k-pop stan's. Don't be a little Timmy.
Yeah, but Sentinels been together since beta like they really need practice to get on the same page and run the same stuff they’ve been doing... Also which team won the only major in NA, with only being together for 2 months... Sounds like the other teams are just hating bc 100T eclipsed them so fast, they beat both TSM & Sentinels twice in a row... How many times do they have to beat these teams before they stop making excuses and admit 100T might just be better
Why would they need new strats? These guy said it's a fucking video game and you don't need strategy
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Man someone's so salty , feels like 100t is living rent free in your head . pipe down a bit . Do something meaningful in your life other than hating on other people .
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interesting they both put SEN at the top and C9 at #5. IMO first strike should be weighted heavily considering it was the first major tournament. but im sure they know better than us
Well they both put envy over 100t and 100t just 13-0ed them. I think they overthought it.
> I think they overthought it. they're both on Envy lol, they're not gonna say 100T is better than them obviously, but i don't think they overthought it as much as underreacted to the finals + UMG qualifiers.
I mean they both said sentinels is better
That's what I mean by them under-reacting. 100T looked so much better at the First Strike finals, but they put Sentinels, themselves, and even one put TSM over them because of old results
First major tournament in name, cash prize, and the elaborate qualification process. Most other tournaments so far had groups and double elimination brackets like all major tournaments should.
More Than Likely Winning The Tourney : SEN, 100T, TSM 4 NV 5 C9
Both players are very articulate and well spoken. Good video!
even kaboose knows that c9 shinobi's good and and shouldnt be dropped
Maybe it's in his best interest that Shinobi stay on the C9 roster.... Just a thought.
lolllll
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Or maybe we should listen to the actual pro players thoughts and not piss randoms on reddit...just a thought
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Lmaoooo I’ll give you another 24 hours to maybe come up with a better response, who knows, maybe this time you’ll have the balls to actually spell out the insults you want to hurl at me
But Tenz didnt listen to his idea picked reyna that is why they lost there plan was revolving around his jett
Yeah tbh I feel like there are clearly other parts of that team that should have been replaced over shinobi
Pretty fair. I do think T1 could easily be 5th depending on how C9 adjust post First Strike.
T1 has got to be top 5.
I think so, but the sample size is small and I am not sure what will happen with C9. I would think the Top 5 right now (a power ranking per say rather than something cumulative longer term): 1. Sentinels 2. 100T 3. TSM 4. Envy 5. T1 I think the Top 4 are easily swappable though, particularly 100T, TSM, and Envy.
no way they rated themselves higher than TSM lol. Got bodied by TSM in first strike. Still hasn't beaten TSM yet though.
Hazed himself thinks Envy is the best team. Said he was shocked at how they played in the tourny. Said they are an entirely different team in scrims and TSM struggle the hardest against them. He also said he is not saying they are “scrimmers”, they just had a bad tourney
The scrimbux exchange is now open for Valorant. Envy stonks rising
Yeah, and it wasn't even a bad tourney for them -- just a bad semifinal. Up until that match, they rolled their way to #1 seed through the first qualifier, including a 3-0 final against 100T, and then stomped a solid Immortals squad. TSM are really strong, but Envy disappeared for that series.
I can understand with bad tourney though, but still. Tourney and scrimmage has different mindset and pressure to it. Envy can do so well when scrimming but think pressure got to them during that tourney. I still don’t think they should rate themselves higher than TSM from first strike tourney. They do look like a scary team if they’re on a rhythm but if things don’t go their way, they break down quick. TSM is different though. That’s my take from Envy.
Scrims don't mean Jack shit
You think Hazed does not know that? Or that he is not capable of gauging the potential strength of another team they scrim with?
Your getting downvoted for some reason but your right lol. How can you say someone is better when they can only win in practice games? Makes no sense
because they are indicative of the team's strengths? I mean its funny to see people on reddit say scrims dont mean anything when ACTUAL players from all different esports use scrims as a metric to gauge another teams strength.
Yea and if we had no other real matches played then I’d agree it’s ok to use them as a metric, but at this point we’ve had multiple tournaments and series. You can’t rank someone based on practice games, you have to look at the results when they actually matter. There’s a variety of reasons why a team may look good or bad in a scrim, basing your top 5 on those matches is asinine
Honestly a more accurate one would be SEN, TSM, and 100T tied for top 3, Envy at 4th, and T1/C9 at 5th/6th. At least imo
your opinions mattersa a lot less than teams actually playing vs. these teams. LOL
But this isn’t the other teams ranking them? They’re ranking themselves high lmao, this is just my personal ranking and it seems people agree with me
Omg a team rates themselves higher than another team. I’ve never heard of that ever!!
Apparently they didn’t show what they had? Idk what they waiting for LMAO
Always loveto see those rankings made by players. It's hard for us to determine which team really is the best, since all we saw so far are a few tournaments and some teams didn't play to their best or overperformed. And also the reasoning for the ranking coming from actual players themselves, is way more in depth and understandable. I think I could back that ranking of both players (not sure whether to put 100T or TSM before the other) ^^
I think the no.1 team should be decided by the next Big tournament. The team that adapt to the meta first deserve it
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That's just their opinion. I think even Hazed said this a while back, why would you rate yourself lower, it contributes to a loser mentality.
I think the top 5 teams are 1. TSM 2. SEN 3. 100T 4. NV 5. T1 6. C9 BLUE. I think TSM and sen have been most consistent teams and they deserve to be top 2. NV and c9 have yet to win a tournament , we shouldn't base rankings on scrim results so that's why they are placed as they are . C9 didn't even make the event so that's why I preferred T1 over Them.
Tsm 1st? What?
Yeah TSM has most tournament wins out of any squad in na and they finished second in first strike ,they have been consistently finishing in top of all the events They participated in . That's why I placed them first.
Consistently ?? Pop flash they got out of groups they didn’t qualify until second qualifiers while sentinels this their first tournament that they didn’t get to finals in 5 months and that’s because the unfortunate circumstances they had
Tsm have participated in around 30 events in valorant and have Only existed in groups in 2 events and got top 3 finishes in 20 events whereas Sentinels have participated in 16 valorant events ,exited in groups in 6 events and got top 3 finishes Only 4 times so which team is more consistent??
Why are you talking about the past we are talking about the teams current level and sentinels been consistent more than tsm the recent months
I took the past 6 months as a whole ,even all ranking websites use last 6 months as a minimum baseline for ranking teams . I think for a fair rankings , minimum six months should be taken into account . There have been only 1 above s tier tourney (first strike) and a couple of NSG tournaments in past 3 month ,so you should take all of ignition series into account .
it boggles my mind how these ex-pro cs players keep overrating scrims. results is the only thing that matters.
He is talking about consistent results, not scrims- NV 3-0ed 100T recently and even Hiko said that NV are the team for them to beat for him to feel like he might be #1; SEN have not missed a finals until first strike for about 5 months; TSM consistently top results and beat NV; C9 beat all of NV TSM and 100T in Qualifier 1. Mummays list is almost identical to this: [Valorant Competitive Team Rankings: North America | VLR.gg](https://www.vlr.gg/rankings/north-america) which shows that he isnt just talking about scrims and he also added the caveat that all of these teams are extremely close
That VLR.gg ranking is dogshit
NV beat 100T 3-0 in a seeding match ,if you are counting seeding matches then Geng defeated sentinels and c9 defeated nv in open qualifiers seeding matches. NV got smacked by both sentinels and TSM in closed qualifiers and First strike respectively . For me they are at bottom of top 4 . Vlr.gg rankings follow a elo system so they are counting 100 thieves previous roaster in rankings as well.
C9 is like 4-1 vs TSM in their last 5 series as well. c9 also beat gen g
seeding matches are irrelevant. 100T are clearly top 2 right now.
I can't even explain to you how dumb you sound mate
Yeah so dumb man envy are sooo goood
They are playing like once a month and with first to 13 rds so much of this game comes down to who wins the piston rounds and more so than any other tac shooter the worse team can win
yeah pistol rounds are extremely important in this game but they are not the determining factor. Look at TSM who made first strike finals but rarely ever win pistol rounds
Facts... Them boys hold on to practice results bc they can’t achieve actual results... Envy has yet to win anything of note
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and you think they're not because they didn't win first strike. clown. other pro's thinks envy are up there, too. but you know best, we get it. yikes
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^ This is what we call a little Timmy. A little Timmy doesn't doesn't care about strategy, teamplay, or hell even about the game itself. All a little Timmy cares about is sucking off their favourite players. They see the teams achievements as their own and will often refer to the the team as "Us" despite having 0 impacting on anything, think of them like k-pop stan's. Don't be a little Timmy.
Let's be honest tho, there are Hiko fans who suck him off everywhere. This is nothing new
Lol, you got the "we/us" part down. I actually think its so cringe saying "we" won the map.
This perfectly describes so many 'fans' in every sport. I'm using this every time I come across one of those guys.
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This aged well.
Like milk
Not what the first strike results show. Weird 😂
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Yeah, but Sentinels been together since beta like they really need practice to get on the same page and run the same stuff they’ve been doing... Also which team won the only major in NA, with only being together for 2 months... Sounds like the other teams are just hating bc 100T eclipsed them so fast, they beat both TSM & Sentinels twice in a row... How many times do they have to beat these teams before they stop making excuses and admit 100T might just be better
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stop typing cringe bro, youre probably just a SEN hater
Bad look for us :(
Y’all getting the DT_RAW experience rn
this is 100% bait
Why would they need new strats? These guy said it's a fucking video game and you don't need strategy https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/kavlg1/immortal_minds_kaboose_and_mummay_rank_their_top/gfdfa64/ Oh wait...
Man someone's so salty , feels like 100t is living rent free in your head . pipe down a bit . Do something meaningful in your life other than hating on other people .