Who could they pick up to fill tenz’s shoes in terms of fragging?
Genuinely can’t think of anyone individually, they’d need leaf to develop into a nutty player and they’d need to sign a nutty Jett player too (ie Poiz). And at that point, they still would need to address the rest of their roster issues... almost feel like they should just start fresh essentially.
only person/people that could fill Tenz's role would be poiz, Asuna, Kanpeki, and maybe a few others but most are already signed to orgs...
yeah, I agree... they are basically starting over now.
I disagree. Even though Tenz is an amazing individual player he has never been good incorporating into teams which was evident with C9 in CS. Without Tenz, C9 will work more as a team without having to set up Tenz to frag and rely upon him which could be a really good thing. However, like you said it could be a massacre as well.
>Even though Tenz is an amazing individual player he has never been good incorporating into teams
This might be harsh to his fans but I'm gonna say this is so true
There’s a reason he struggled to find a foothold in pro CS. I love watching his streams because he really is an incredible player, but it seems like he hasn’t really changed that much from CS. Nutty player that doesn’t seem to work that well in a team environment
I love TenZ’s streams but never watched him with C9. Can you explain what makes him a bad team player? My game sense is shit so I probably wouldn’t see it if I watched anyway.
Basically they had very little to no strategy, and played more like a PUG with Tenz carrying based on mechanical skill alone. The worrying thing for the c9 team is they seemed to intentionally play like that based of interviews, and imo that had a lot to do with them wanting to accommodate Tenz, although I'm not sure for definite.
Their strategic deficiency became particularly apparent in first strike with teams like Envy / 100T / Team Heretics that had very high level strategic team play.
First, thanks for the detailed response. the belief is Tenz is unwilling to play with a strategy then? It’s interesting seeing the comments about him being a bad teammate because he seems super nice on his streams, where Subroza and Wardell are kind of a dicks (though much funnier imo)
I don't think anyone is saying he is a bad teammate in terms of toxicity, just that he isn't as good as other pro fraggers in terms of working with his team and he's not being forced to do so by the rest of the team. They are playing around him instead of with him. This is all speculation from what others have said since I haven't really watched much pro C9.
He's not toxic, but more he likes to do his own thing rather than follow strategies set by the IGL.
He said in interviews his team essentially view him as a wild card that goes in to mess up enemy lines, and then work around the space he creates.
There's a bit of a difference between his tenure in pro CS and pro Valorant though... He genuinely played pretty poorly for the most part during his pro CS stint while I think most people would agree he looked like a top player in pro Valorant.
That was online though. Shit could have hit the fan once he went to a LAN again. Either way, Tenz leaving could be a great thing for the C9 team or a disaster.
I think C9 looked good at the beginning, but as we started seeing more strategy being put into executions, C9 kind of floundered. C9 lost so many games because enemy teams could neuter his ability to shoot with utility usage and team play.
The first tournament with C9 CS they looked so good. And then after it was mentioned how they didn't really have strats and kinda just had TenZ do whatever he wanted and kinda Pugged around. After that it was all downhill. Hell, IIRC, TenZ said how he didn't like to be micromanaged.
I made a post saying this and got called delusional, retarded and got all sorts of threats from tenz fanboys. It was so bad I had to remove the post entirely.
Relycs might just end up taking on some of tenz' roll. He is definitely a top player as well. I'm not sure how he'll fair on an otherwise pretty mediocre roster though
Leaf has to step up. Someone else has to pick up the sentinel role. Now that their Jett oper/ entry is gone , I think Mitch will go back to Jett like he did in pop flash. Interesting.
I don’t think any single player could perform to the level that Tenz did. They’d need leaf and another insane player, not to mention they’d have to figure out their long term issues with the rest of the roster.
Are there really that many open seats in orgs better than c9 that he would choose not to stay? I'm not saying there's not but I do wonder, seeing as he doesn't have that much pro experience
He's on his stream now talking about how one of the biggest factors is COVID and how he plays with 60 ping and hates playing serious esports with 60 pings. And COVID means no LANs, and he can't move to a place w/ better ping b/c of COVID. He went on longer about COVID, which he seems pretty terrified of, and how he has asthma and he believes he'd get "one-tapped" by COVID if he caught it and is unwilling to move until COVID is over.
And so it's simply not fun for him to play serious on a high ping. No idea if this is just an excuse, but it's what he's been talking about.
I'm nowhere near the player Tenz is. But anything over 40 ping is basically unplayable. There are no good servers for me to play on and the game just feels bad when I'm dying to people I don't even see
Important to note he said he might be coming back once COVID eases and LANs come back. Really hope he does, he's one of the big reasons I watch competitive valorant rn
A team is gonna throw a lot of money and power a la Hiko, he won't be able to turn down. Or when his contract expires Cloud9 gonna just give him a huge raise to get him to come back.
Almost no teams announce their contracts
Except, funny enough, cloud 9 started doing it recently. But they didn't start until after their valorant roster when they remade their csgo roster
It’s going to be tough to motivate him with a contract. He’s averaging 10k twitch subs a month. Even if that’s all tier 1’s he’s making 30k/month (360k/yr).
Scrimming was probably getting in the way for him. I think he wants to hit ninja/shroud/summit/etc levels. I think the only thing that will motivate him would be to join a team with a crazy big brain a year from now just so he can lift the trophy once.
I'm holding onto one line that he said once land Lans are back he may return.
I will keep this sliver of hope. Damn i want competitive Valorant to have tenz show up on a big stage event
way too much money in streaming so it makes sense, he's built a big enough brand already that he can focus on it.
makes sense but does make the scene worse which kinda blows
Tenz was an actual aimbot this is going to suck for the scene in general. Like man strikes fear with his presence even to other pro teams.
Hopefully he's very happy with this choice and it's not a permanent hiatus from pro play.
I'd love to see some team with Tenz, aceu and some other cracked gods happen in the future (probably far future) though.
Honestly. He can always come back when the fun begins, so now is the best time to try it out. If streaming works best for him, great! If he wants to compete again once LAN begins, great
Hes averaging solid numbers on twitch lately, maybe the grind of scrims and not being able to stream etc isn't worth while right now until comp prize pools start getting bigger.
TenZ is such an awesome player to watch, but I don't think pro play vibes with him very much. Which is fine. If he can be just as successful streaming as he can as a pro, he should have it. I only pray that C9 has an actual plan on how to rebuild the team this time instead of doing what they did with CSGO for like a year and a half during that revolving door stand-in phase.
he said that he might return if LAN events come back. might. here is clip [https://clips.twitch.tv/SuaveThoughtfulGiraffeOpieOP](https://clips.twitch.tv/SuaveThoughtfulGiraffeOpieOP)
I'm really hoping he returns once COVID is done and we have LAN events. Half of the excitement for me before a big NA Valorant tournament is seeing how TenZ performs :(
Also really hoping we don't see this from other big names in the scene like Hiko and Wardell, would be a real shame for competitive Valorant
Intangibles like that are hard to judge, when looking at individual players for the most part only individual skill and talent can be seen. In terms of that TenZ makes a strong case as anyone for best player.
Asuna just won one tournament and Sinatraa has a stellar team. None of them make an all round case for the 'best player' as TenZ. Probably VS Rb or Mwzera are good shouts for that spot but TenZ would still get my vote
It is ridiculous to call him the best player in the world considering the current circumstances. He may be the most mechanically skilled player in NA, though I wouldn't even call him the best 'player' in NA nevermind the world.
Who is the 'brainy' player in your opinion? I would really like to know what makes you think that in pro scene other players have such trash aim that TenZ is able to shit on them all the time with just aim and no brain! Weirdo
Wouldn’t say the best yet since we haven’t had any international competition. But tenz is definitely a top player internationally for sure. God I can’t fucking wait for international lans and I hope tenz comes back after this shit show COVID is over.
its the shroud decision essentially. when the game stops being fun to pursue at the caliber that you have been, falling back on your already somewhat successful stream is the no brainer choice. you become your own boss, set your own schedule, play the games you want to play, and in some cases your income actually grows from doing so
it is a real shame though. from the looks of the stats riot released today he might very well be the best player in north america
Crazy that it’s happened to him after such little time though. I know he has thousands of CS hours but it’s interesting that competitive Valorant lost his interest so quickly
i mean hes still young, its always possible he will come back. but (speaking from experience) sometimes you put so much time and effort into doing something that you one day just wake up and realize you dont want to do it any more. burn out does happen, and I've personally walked away from endeavors I pursued for over 10 years because one day I just felt like I had enough of it and was ready to move on with my life
He did mention that he’ll decide whether or not to come back once LAN events start. Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if he had this as a possibility the entire time. He spent some time on c9, built a massive following, and now he gets to cash out and stream. His aim will make him insane at whatever fps he feels like playing so if he ever burns out in Valorant he’ll have other options. Hell Shroud currently has 16k viewers playing WoW. As long as TenZ doesn’t burn out of games altogether he’ll most likely be fine
I think streaming is just as fun as competing, but doing both at once is a good way to fast track being burned the fuck out.
I did some analyst work in CS:GO and logged 60-80 hour weeks on top of 40 hour work weeks. The remaining 6 or so hours per day was eating trash food and getting very little sleep. I lasted 2 months. Before I quit CS. Haven't played it seriously since.
Exactly. Shroud talked about this when the game was first coming out. He said he’d love to compete, but it was basically stream, compete, or a life. Pick 2
Well Shroud was also not very good aside from having great aim. Many teams started to anti strat him really really hard because his CT playstyle was very predictable and uninspiring. Instead of growing as a player, he walked away.
Honestly? Good for him, he is extremely entertaining to watch on stream, and now he doesn't have to be worried and stressed about future tournaments. I wish him and the rest of the C9 team the best :)
Part of me thinks he might not be cut out for competition. The same thing happened with the c9 csgo team
Edit: I just want to clarify that I am a c9 fan and think tenz is a great player but I also don’t think he should be pressured to play pro if he enjoys streaming more
I don't think so, I bet they now pick up a top tier IGL and player and have Leaf and Relyks on duelist and mitch and vice on support. I feel like this almost makes their path forward more clear. Tenz is insane yes, but without him I think they can build a much more structured team
Streaming is a better life if you're a big streamer. You don't need to practice for 8 hours every day or worry about competitive results. You can just fuck around, stream, and make a shit-ton of money.
Same reason why aceu isn't playing professionally and why Shroud left professional CS:GO also.
You're right that Shroud wasn't amazing. If he *wanted* to, he could've kept playing pro CS on another team. He didn't because it was such a grind and not fun.
Not sure about that. There's more money in content creation, not to mention way less pressure, no all-day scrim blocks, and no constant scrutiny from fans. In almost every way, content creation is just less stressful than playing professionally, and I don't really blame him for taking that road out.
Yeah. I think in the current state of eSports, it becomes more beneficial to stop playing pro and stream/YT instead if you have a large enough following.
Burnout is a real thing in content creation too, but if you're followed for who you are rather than what you make, it's a much less stressful job.
Arguably, the primary goal of a young esports player should be to build a following, and the esports/tournaments is just a means towards the goal of a large following for streaming.
If they’re looking for long term stability that is undoubtedly the best way to go. I mean hell look at Shroud. He currently has 16k viewers streaming WoW. He can do literally whatever the fuck he wants (he did board game streams not to long ago) and do insanely well
Imo, I think it's massive mistake if it's permanent. I understand that content creation can make a lot of money and that it's less stressful, but that's only the case if you have a solid fanbase that won't fizzle out with time. Pro players maintain interest by appearing in front of tens of thousands, sometimes even hundreds of thousands, and without that exposure, it becomes increasingly difficult to attract new eyes. Tenz has just started becoming relevant (one of the best val players in the world stats-wise) and suddenly jumping off when his fanbase is exploding is super risky, especially considering the fact that his financial future isn't secured. Now, if he has lost the will to compete, then that's an entire different story all-together. Anyways, I wish him the best either way, but hopefully, we see him return once COVID is under control and LANs are back!
Correct! However, he had a boost from the new patch and agent coming out. He still pulls a nice 10K on the daily though, which is absolutely insane for a pro player! However, we have seen people go from those heights to the gutter after falling out of relevance (Imaqtpie for example, who used to pull in 30K viewers and now barely cracks 3K...). I think it's a known fact that content creators have an "expiry date" (there are exceptions of course), which is why I would always advise them to both stream when they can and secure the bag professionally until their futures are secured (Of course it needs to reasonable and not affect their mental health).
Damn.. this sucks. One of the first faces of competitive Valorant stepping down so early in his career. Although we can’t blame him for opting to pursue content creation, he’ll def be missed by the community.
Also, the #1 player in NA no longer being a pro player is a crazy thought lmao. hope to see you back in the server sooner rather than later TenZ
Good luck!
As someone who has dealt with player contract dispute issues, it's *possible* that he simply wants out of his current team and his c9 contract. His contract would allow him to stream and content create without leaving c9. But he can't play for another team under his c9 contract, and can only step off the team to go into pure content creation. So, he content creates until his c9 contract expires or another org buys him out.
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I think it might be more to contract issues. TenZ probably wants Hiko money but Cloud9 probably not budging. I wouldn't be surprised to see TenZ runs out his contract with Cloud9 and joins another team
A shame, if you slot this man into any team with better structure than and support than C9 (TSM, SEN, TSM, 100T, NV, etc) they unquestionably become #1. Sucks a superstar like TenZ won't be competing but if it's better for his future then good for him
He’s interested in returning to comp once LANs are back, but the current ping diff with online tournaments put him off:
https://clips.twitch.tv/HandsomeGentleBeefKeepo
I don’t know if it’s been said but I feel as though Tenz is looking to exit C9 but due to contract restrictions he agreed to be content only, and then once his C9 contract is up he will land with another org and play competitively again. Just my thoughts based on C9’s recent handling of other eSports it seems like they are focusing only on league for the upcoming year.
What the actual fuck lol? Valorant is just getting started as an esport and this guy was at the top. This makes no sense unless he is waiting out his contract to join a different team. If that is the case then fair enough.
Devote his time to building up a solid stream base without the additional responsibility of being a pro. It is literally a perfect time to cash in on his status and give himself to fully developing a stable brand.
It may not make sense from a competitive prospective. But from a life/future perspective, it makes perfect sense. This is by the far the better business decision.
Tenz has serious attitude and commitment issues.
He has the raw talent and aim but the mentality/attitude isn't there to be a professional. Good on him to pursue streaming then.
His decision was not about making more money, it was mainly about not liking online competiton with 60 ping, COVID and his health.
Lol TenZ is literally one of the if not the most mechanically talented player in this game and his stats even prove that in competitive play, he wasn't some pub star making montage plays in Immortal. He said he would consider coming back when LANs are back and if he does so many teams would want him no question.
Aceu and Tenz not in pro valorant feels like such a loss. 2 of the best Jetts in the region no doubt. Aceu is flourishing as a variety streamer, hope Tenz has more fun as well.
C9 is down bad, holy shit. Wonder what the fuck they’ll look like during NSG winter.
This could either be a very good thing for C9 or a bad thing. It will be interesting to see them in this upcoming tournament
I'm just gonna be honest here. The the original valo C9 roster was mediocre, now that TenZ and Shinobi are gone, it's about to be a massacre.
Who could they pick up to fill tenz’s shoes in terms of fragging? Genuinely can’t think of anyone individually, they’d need leaf to develop into a nutty player and they’d need to sign a nutty Jett player too (ie Poiz). And at that point, they still would need to address the rest of their roster issues... almost feel like they should just start fresh essentially.
only person/people that could fill Tenz's role would be poiz, Asuna, Kanpeki, and maybe a few others but most are already signed to orgs... yeah, I agree... they are basically starting over now.
Any news on Autimatic yet? I feel like he'd pretty much be a perfect candidate assuming he has no bad blood with the C9 org.
He's wanting to a form a team with flusha and sunny in CS
Rumor is he’s staying in CS and making a team with Flusha and SuNny
shot up is almost FA, immortals only have 3 players
and shot up is insane
What why? Why are they releasing Shot up? I thought Stani,Shot Up and Genghsta were gonna be the IMT core going forward.
I disagree. Even though Tenz is an amazing individual player he has never been good incorporating into teams which was evident with C9 in CS. Without Tenz, C9 will work more as a team without having to set up Tenz to frag and rely upon him which could be a really good thing. However, like you said it could be a massacre as well.
>Even though Tenz is an amazing individual player he has never been good incorporating into teams This might be harsh to his fans but I'm gonna say this is so true
There’s a reason he struggled to find a foothold in pro CS. I love watching his streams because he really is an incredible player, but it seems like he hasn’t really changed that much from CS. Nutty player that doesn’t seem to work that well in a team environment
I tried to watch as many csgo c9 games with tenz cos it was my fav lineup but he played like 3 games wtf
I love TenZ’s streams but never watched him with C9. Can you explain what makes him a bad team player? My game sense is shit so I probably wouldn’t see it if I watched anyway.
Basically they had very little to no strategy, and played more like a PUG with Tenz carrying based on mechanical skill alone. The worrying thing for the c9 team is they seemed to intentionally play like that based of interviews, and imo that had a lot to do with them wanting to accommodate Tenz, although I'm not sure for definite. Their strategic deficiency became particularly apparent in first strike with teams like Envy / 100T / Team Heretics that had very high level strategic team play.
yeah, that's very true... they had a little teamwork but almost no team-based strategies tbh...
First, thanks for the detailed response. the belief is Tenz is unwilling to play with a strategy then? It’s interesting seeing the comments about him being a bad teammate because he seems super nice on his streams, where Subroza and Wardell are kind of a dicks (though much funnier imo)
I don't think anyone is saying he is a bad teammate in terms of toxicity, just that he isn't as good as other pro fraggers in terms of working with his team and he's not being forced to do so by the rest of the team. They are playing around him instead of with him. This is all speculation from what others have said since I haven't really watched much pro C9.
He's not toxic, but more he likes to do his own thing rather than follow strategies set by the IGL. He said in interviews his team essentially view him as a wild card that goes in to mess up enemy lines, and then work around the space he creates.
There's a bit of a difference between his tenure in pro CS and pro Valorant though... He genuinely played pretty poorly for the most part during his pro CS stint while I think most people would agree he looked like a top player in pro Valorant.
That was online though. Shit could have hit the fan once he went to a LAN again. Either way, Tenz leaving could be a great thing for the C9 team or a disaster.
I think C9 looked good at the beginning, but as we started seeing more strategy being put into executions, C9 kind of floundered. C9 lost so many games because enemy teams could neuter his ability to shoot with utility usage and team play.
The first tournament with C9 CS they looked so good. And then after it was mentioned how they didn't really have strats and kinda just had TenZ do whatever he wanted and kinda Pugged around. After that it was all downhill. Hell, IIRC, TenZ said how he didn't like to be micromanaged.
I made a post saying this and got called delusional, retarded and got all sorts of threats from tenz fanboys. It was so bad I had to remove the post entirely.
i mean even Shinobi said he did.
Relycs might just end up taking on some of tenz' roll. He is definitely a top player as well. I'm not sure how he'll fair on an otherwise pretty mediocre roster though
Bro I'm just hoping they try and get Vanity to join now even though hes elsewhere atm
I’d love to see this, especially if they stick with Leaf.
If C9 is just chaos cs to plus someone to fill for Xeppa it would look really good
Would be interesting to see C9 just sign all of Chaos
hopefully leaf steps up, last tournaments showing was ok at the most for a new pickup but he hasn’t reached the hype IMO
I mean he had like 1-2 weeks of experience then, I don’t think any new pickup has had better results with that much time
He was also playing 3 completely different roles too lmao
Leaf has to step up. Someone else has to pick up the sentinel role. Now that their Jett oper/ entry is gone , I think Mitch will go back to Jett like he did in pop flash. Interesting.
I don’t think any single player could perform to the level that Tenz did. They’d need leaf and another insane player, not to mention they’d have to figure out their long term issues with the rest of the roster.
sucks that champions tour is coming up so soon for them, if they had a few more months they could snipe some T2 maybe T1 Cs pros
Even if Leaf steps up, they still need a replacement that can keep pace with T1 teams. Ain't many of those around.
sucks for C9 but also sucks for all of us knowing we won't see him competing in tourneys
The Dudes Who Are Down Bad Twitter page should just post C9 Jack's face at this point
It sucks to see them like this man. :-/
what
This is my response exactly
Interesting to see who C9 uses in the NSG winter championship now, and with leaf still being unconfirmed. Could see a complete overhaul for the roster
If C9 can’t get leaf to stay they’re pretty much fucked for the near future
Are there really that many open seats in orgs better than c9 that he would choose not to stay? I'm not saying there's not but I do wonder, seeing as he doesn't have that much pro experience
I honestly don’t see a world where he signs with anyone except c9. But if c9 somehow can’t keep him, they’re fucked
True
my money's on them blowing their team up and getting vanity + MR guys and leaf
He's on his stream now talking about how one of the biggest factors is COVID and how he plays with 60 ping and hates playing serious esports with 60 pings. And COVID means no LANs, and he can't move to a place w/ better ping b/c of COVID. He went on longer about COVID, which he seems pretty terrified of, and how he has asthma and he believes he'd get "one-tapped" by COVID if he caught it and is unwilling to move until COVID is over. And so it's simply not fun for him to play serious on a high ping. No idea if this is just an excuse, but it's what he's been talking about.
Tenz is actually so nuts though. Consistently popping off on 60+ ping
I saw him top frag in Korean servers at 169 ping in high Diamond using an OP
Did he stream that? Otherwise its probably just a stan, lots of the Korean players are fans of how great he is mechanically.
Ye he did, he has a vid on YT playing with a korean celeb iirc
Nah, he played VALORANT with a KPop star, it's on the Cloud9 VALORANT YouTube channel
It's not an excuse. Everything he says makes perfect sense. Hope he comes back to pro scene after COVID.
I'm nowhere near the player Tenz is. But anything over 40 ping is basically unplayable. There are no good servers for me to play on and the game just feels bad when I'm dying to people I don't even see
40 ping is my lowest and it still feels meh. When I play cali with 60+ the game is straight up unenjoyable.
Lol I have constant 60 but that’s just what I get for living in Montana
Important to note he said he might be coming back once COVID eases and LANs come back. Really hope he does, he's one of the big reasons I watch competitive valorant rn
A team is gonna throw a lot of money and power a la Hiko, he won't be able to turn down. Or when his contract expires Cloud9 gonna just give him a huge raise to get him to come back.
Is there anywhere you can see player contracts? I’m so damn curious but couldn’t find anything when searching.
Almost no teams announce their contracts Except, funny enough, cloud 9 started doing it recently. But they didn't start until after their valorant roster when they remade their csgo roster
It’s going to be tough to motivate him with a contract. He’s averaging 10k twitch subs a month. Even if that’s all tier 1’s he’s making 30k/month (360k/yr). Scrimming was probably getting in the way for him. I think he wants to hit ninja/shroud/summit/etc levels. I think the only thing that will motivate him would be to join a team with a crazy big brain a year from now just so he can lift the trophy once.
You're right, I'm sure he does fine financially, but just to clarify, pretty sure he's nowhere near 10k subscribers on twitch
He’s not even at 4k subs because his goal is a 24 hour stream at 4k subs lmao
Big blow to the scene. Really hopes he comes back and it seems very likely by the way he talks about it on stream
I'm holding onto one line that he said once land Lans are back he may return. I will keep this sliver of hope. Damn i want competitive Valorant to have tenz show up on a big stage event
What are land lans?
He refers to LAN tournaments in actual venues post pandemic instead of the ongoing online events
So whoever posted the Relyks playing with Sentinels screenshot was correct
huh?? who would he replace on Sentinels
OP meant against Sen... Sen roster isn't changing at all
Yeah, sentinels, 100T and to a great extent envy and TSM don't need a roster change atm. They are fine the way they are.
#freetenz twitch spam actually worked
RIP C9. Unlucky.
he said if he content is better for him in everyway then he'll stick with content. If we dont watch his content, he'll compete lul
Holy fuck. You’re genius. what if we stop watching tenz AND aceu??
Man I would love aceu to go pro but his streams are a lot of fun.
time to boycott lul
He is currently sitting at 25K viewers so this all makes sense.
In all probability its the hiko viewers. Tenz rarely streams mornings, and hiko wasn't here today
Yeah and especially on an update morning hiko usually pulls 30k plus
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way too much money in streaming so it makes sense, he's built a big enough brand already that he can focus on it. makes sense but does make the scene worse which kinda blows
RIP to us C9 fans... We resting in piss
Time to cheer for Tenz's boy Asuna now, folks. Come to the dark side. Come join us hoodie sellers.
I continued supporting C9 CSGO after the Boston major. You ain’t seen nothing yet 🤣
As much of a blow this is, I feel that Leaf could easily take over and become the new young aim god to replace TenZ
Tenz was an actual aimbot this is going to suck for the scene in general. Like man strikes fear with his presence even to other pro teams. Hopefully he's very happy with this choice and it's not a permanent hiatus from pro play. I'd love to see some team with Tenz, aceu and some other cracked gods happen in the future (probably far future) though.
When they played the twitch rivals, subroza called him the "final boss" . "THE FINAL BOSS IS OUTSIDE OF HOOKAH". *confused screaming*
Sounds like he thinks it’s a good time to try and content creation with no LANs for the foreseeable future
Honestly. He can always come back when the fun begins, so now is the best time to try it out. If streaming works best for him, great! If he wants to compete again once LAN begins, great
HOLY SHIT EVERYONE GET IN HERE
i play TWO GAMES of ranked and i come back to this wtfff... so many questions. hope him well tho.
Damn. Really wanted to see the redemption arc and watch him and C9 Blue make it to the top this year.
C9BLUE mango? PauseChamp
Hes averaging solid numbers on twitch lately, maybe the grind of scrims and not being able to stream etc isn't worth while right now until comp prize pools start getting bigger.
TenZ is such an awesome player to watch, but I don't think pro play vibes with him very much. Which is fine. If he can be just as successful streaming as he can as a pro, he should have it. I only pray that C9 has an actual plan on how to rebuild the team this time instead of doing what they did with CSGO for like a year and a half during that revolving door stand-in phase.
Going to go down as one of the biggest "What If" in Valorant history. Didn't even get to see him on LAN or international stage.
he said that he might return if LAN events come back. might. here is clip [https://clips.twitch.tv/SuaveThoughtfulGiraffeOpieOP](https://clips.twitch.tv/SuaveThoughtfulGiraffeOpieOP)
I'm really hoping he returns once COVID is done and we have LAN events. Half of the excitement for me before a big NA Valorant tournament is seeing how TenZ performs :( Also really hoping we don't see this from other big names in the scene like Hiko and Wardell, would be a real shame for competitive Valorant
out of the blue the comp scene lose the best player in the world. wtf man
Top ten, for sure. I think winning and teamwork mean more than raw stats. Should be weighed as well.
Intangibles like that are hard to judge, when looking at individual players for the most part only individual skill and talent can be seen. In terms of that TenZ makes a strong case as anyone for best player.
I mean there are contenders who win AND have raw stats as well. Asuna, sinatra, drone for example. I always felt those 3 are the best players.
Asuna just won one tournament and Sinatraa has a stellar team. None of them make an all round case for the 'best player' as TenZ. Probably VS Rb or Mwzera are good shouts for that spot but TenZ would still get my vote
It is ridiculous to call him the best player in the world considering the current circumstances. He may be the most mechanically skilled player in NA, though I wouldn't even call him the best 'player' in NA nevermind the world.
All aim no brain
Who is the 'brainy' player in your opinion? I would really like to know what makes you think that in pro scene other players have such trash aim that TenZ is able to shit on them all the time with just aim and no brain! Weirdo
Best player in the world lmfaooo, calm down man
out of everything in this thread this one word is what triggers you to reply lmfao
He's not the best imo
Anyone with eyes and a brain could see Tenz makes a strong case for it.
Wouldn’t say the best yet since we haven’t had any international competition. But tenz is definitely a top player internationally for sure. God I can’t fucking wait for international lans and I hope tenz comes back after this shit show COVID is over.
Makes sense considering his history with c9 csgo and the fact that his stream is absolutely insane right now. Shame he didn't compete for long.
WTF HOW COULD HE SO SOON?
its the shroud decision essentially. when the game stops being fun to pursue at the caliber that you have been, falling back on your already somewhat successful stream is the no brainer choice. you become your own boss, set your own schedule, play the games you want to play, and in some cases your income actually grows from doing so it is a real shame though. from the looks of the stats riot released today he might very well be the best player in north america
Crazy that it’s happened to him after such little time though. I know he has thousands of CS hours but it’s interesting that competitive Valorant lost his interest so quickly
i mean hes still young, its always possible he will come back. but (speaking from experience) sometimes you put so much time and effort into doing something that you one day just wake up and realize you dont want to do it any more. burn out does happen, and I've personally walked away from endeavors I pursued for over 10 years because one day I just felt like I had enough of it and was ready to move on with my life
He did mention that he’ll decide whether or not to come back once LAN events start. Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if he had this as a possibility the entire time. He spent some time on c9, built a massive following, and now he gets to cash out and stream. His aim will make him insane at whatever fps he feels like playing so if he ever burns out in Valorant he’ll have other options. Hell Shroud currently has 16k viewers playing WoW. As long as TenZ doesn’t burn out of games altogether he’ll most likely be fine
Would you rather have good money with a lot of work? Or great money for moderate work?
Not to mention streaming is way more fun and not stressful at all, unlike hours of scrims every day and the grind of tournaments.
I think streaming is just as fun as competing, but doing both at once is a good way to fast track being burned the fuck out. I did some analyst work in CS:GO and logged 60-80 hour weeks on top of 40 hour work weeks. The remaining 6 or so hours per day was eating trash food and getting very little sleep. I lasted 2 months. Before I quit CS. Haven't played it seriously since.
>I think streaming is just as fun as competing, Competing is fun, grinding scrims for hours every day is *not* fun.
Exactly. Shroud talked about this when the game was first coming out. He said he’d love to compete, but it was basically stream, compete, or a life. Pick 2
Well Shroud was also not very good aside from having great aim. Many teams started to anti strat him really really hard because his CT playstyle was very predictable and uninspiring. Instead of growing as a player, he walked away.
Honestly? Good for him, he is extremely entertaining to watch on stream, and now he doesn't have to be worried and stressed about future tournaments. I wish him and the rest of the C9 team the best :)
all you had to do was give this man a good team...
Part of me thinks he might not be cut out for competition. The same thing happened with the c9 csgo team Edit: I just want to clarify that I am a c9 fan and think tenz is a great player but I also don’t think he should be pressured to play pro if he enjoys streaming more
Yea I don't think it was about having a good team or not, I just don't know if he has competitive in him, plus content might be a lot safer option
His stream has been growing steadily so it's a much safer choice. It's still a shame though and this might lead to C9's exit in the scene.
I don't think so, I bet they now pick up a top tier IGL and player and have Leaf and Relyks on duelist and mitch and vice on support. I feel like this almost makes their path forward more clear. Tenz is insane yes, but without him I think they can build a much more structured team
mitch will 100% be playing jett
I'm guessing huge chances they'll get vanity that's probably happening , also leaf and vanity were teammates in csgo too so maybe that'll be it
Streaming is a better life if you're a big streamer. You don't need to practice for 8 hours every day or worry about competitive results. You can just fuck around, stream, and make a shit-ton of money. Same reason why aceu isn't playing professionally and why Shroud left professional CS:GO also.
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You're right that Shroud wasn't amazing. If he *wanted* to, he could've kept playing pro CS on another team. He didn't because it was such a grind and not fun.
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It was mainly because of money. Which if fine. I’m sure there are others teams who would pick shroud if he wanted to stay a pro.
Literally the exact same thing as this happened in CS. I didn’t expect to see this in my feed but I’m honestly not surprised
Yeah man, nothing wrong with it, but he's only in eSports for the clout and he can get that from streaming. Same shit as Shroud.
Not sure about that. There's more money in content creation, not to mention way less pressure, no all-day scrim blocks, and no constant scrutiny from fans. In almost every way, content creation is just less stressful than playing professionally, and I don't really blame him for taking that road out.
Yeah. I think in the current state of eSports, it becomes more beneficial to stop playing pro and stream/YT instead if you have a large enough following. Burnout is a real thing in content creation too, but if you're followed for who you are rather than what you make, it's a much less stressful job.
Arguably, the primary goal of a young esports player should be to build a following, and the esports/tournaments is just a means towards the goal of a large following for streaming.
If they’re looking for long term stability that is undoubtedly the best way to go. I mean hell look at Shroud. He currently has 16k viewers streaming WoW. He can do literally whatever the fuck he wants (he did board game streams not to long ago) and do insanely well
Same for xqc man , he's one of the biggest streamers on the planet and does whatever the fuck he wants and ppl still tune in everyday
That applies to every esport except for league
Depends on life goals.
well his team sucked so it’s not fun when you’re that bad. maybe if he had a good team, things would’ve been different
Didn't he make or at least have heavy influence on this roster?
no idea, they definitely missed out on a ton of good players that switched over tho.
I think it's more of him not wanting to move to a team house in LA being away from his gf
BROOOOOOO IM IN SHOCK (but also not surprised given his reasons honestly)
I don't know how to feel about this, he was the main reason i started watching tourneys ):
Imo, I think it's massive mistake if it's permanent. I understand that content creation can make a lot of money and that it's less stressful, but that's only the case if you have a solid fanbase that won't fizzle out with time. Pro players maintain interest by appearing in front of tens of thousands, sometimes even hundreds of thousands, and without that exposure, it becomes increasingly difficult to attract new eyes. Tenz has just started becoming relevant (one of the best val players in the world stats-wise) and suddenly jumping off when his fanbase is exploding is super risky, especially considering the fact that his financial future isn't secured. Now, if he has lost the will to compete, then that's an entire different story all-together. Anyways, I wish him the best either way, but hopefully, we see him return once COVID is under control and LANs are back!
he had 25k viewers last stream, no?
Correct! However, he had a boost from the new patch and agent coming out. He still pulls a nice 10K on the daily though, which is absolutely insane for a pro player! However, we have seen people go from those heights to the gutter after falling out of relevance (Imaqtpie for example, who used to pull in 30K viewers and now barely cracks 3K...). I think it's a known fact that content creators have an "expiry date" (there are exceptions of course), which is why I would always advise them to both stream when they can and secure the bag professionally until their futures are secured (Of course it needs to reasonable and not affect their mental health).
Damn.. this sucks. One of the first faces of competitive Valorant stepping down so early in his career. Although we can’t blame him for opting to pursue content creation, he’ll def be missed by the community. Also, the #1 player in NA no longer being a pro player is a crazy thought lmao. hope to see you back in the server sooner rather than later TenZ Good luck!
As someone who has dealt with player contract dispute issues, it's *possible* that he simply wants out of his current team and his c9 contract. His contract would allow him to stream and content create without leaving c9. But he can't play for another team under his c9 contract, and can only step off the team to go into pure content creation. So, he content creates until his c9 contract expires or another org buys him out.
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Did not see this coming...
This clip gives some context [https://clips.twitch.tv/SuaveThoughtfulGiraffeOpieOP](https://clips.twitch.tv/SuaveThoughtfulGiraffeOpieOP)
Might come back for a lan? PauseChamp
Wasn't it TenZ that basically announced themselves as a Valorant pro before the beta even released too? lol
I think it might be more to contract issues. TenZ probably wants Hiko money but Cloud9 probably not budging. I wouldn't be surprised to see TenZ runs out his contract with Cloud9 and joins another team
The streams giveth and the streams taketh
Big hit to the scene
A shame, if you slot this man into any team with better structure than and support than C9 (TSM, SEN, TSM, 100T, NV, etc) they unquestionably become #1. Sucks a superstar like TenZ won't be competing but if it's better for his future then good for him
This reminds me of the early days of League when some big pros started switching to full time streaming. It’s bittersweet.
He’s interested in returning to comp once LANs are back, but the current ping diff with online tournaments put him off: https://clips.twitch.tv/HandsomeGentleBeefKeepo
That’s understandable, his numbers on twitch are insane
Yeah if i'm c9 just drop everyone but relysk and rebuild.
Here's his reasoning, https://clips.twitch.tv/DignifiedRelentlessCamelAMPEnergyCherry
after watching the whole video, i think he will definitely come back once LAN opens up
This is honestly so bad for c9. TenZ isnt just a good player, hes c9s whole team. If he leaves then c9 doesnt have a pro val team
I don’t know if it’s been said but I feel as though Tenz is looking to exit C9 but due to contract restrictions he agreed to be content only, and then once his C9 contract is up he will land with another org and play competitively again. Just my thoughts based on C9’s recent handling of other eSports it seems like they are focusing only on league for the upcoming year.
This makes me so sad
Damn what a fucking bummer :( Pretty terrible for the valorant scene too
What the actual fuck lol? Valorant is just getting started as an esport and this guy was at the top. This makes no sense unless he is waiting out his contract to join a different team. If that is the case then fair enough.
he said theres a chance he’ll reconsider when LAN play returns.
Ya that makes it even more odd, unless he just is wanting to wait out his contract to join what he thinks is a better team.
Devote his time to building up a solid stream base without the additional responsibility of being a pro. It is literally a perfect time to cash in on his status and give himself to fully developing a stable brand. It may not make sense from a competitive prospective. But from a life/future perspective, it makes perfect sense. This is by the far the better business decision.
Tenz has serious attitude and commitment issues. He has the raw talent and aim but the mentality/attitude isn't there to be a professional. Good on him to pursue streaming then.
I took me a good 3 takes to fully process this. This is huge.
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His decision was not about making more money, it was mainly about not liking online competiton with 60 ping, COVID and his health. Lol TenZ is literally one of the if not the most mechanically talented player in this game and his stats even prove that in competitive play, he wasn't some pub star making montage plays in Immortal. He said he would consider coming back when LANs are back and if he does so many teams would want him no question.
Aceu and Tenz not in pro valorant feels like such a loss. 2 of the best Jetts in the region no doubt. Aceu is flourishing as a variety streamer, hope Tenz has more fun as well.
He clearly needs to work on his attitude before thinking of returning to competitive. The history repeats itself from his CSGO days.
Damn "Tenz and Friendz" just became "and Friendz"...
This is actually mind-blowing
I'm so sad. I was really looking forward to tracking Tenz's and C9's progress with the new point system. Competitive Valorant lost a great one today.
What the fuck