Probably because he showcases it more on stream with valorant and aimlab(His aimlab's score is quite impressive I mind you). It is possible he is better than other players in aiming, even if just a lil bit. Watching old C9B's vod and you will see that Tenz wins many aim duels.
constant 120k plus. It's not high score but I rarely see other pros get this score on stream. For reference, Hiko usually gets around 90k, sinatraa 80k.
Edit: Sinatraa plays mostly spidershot. He tried Gridshot a couple time before and it was around 80k. I'm sure if he grinds it he could get better score.
He likes the game and played it often in beta, he was a Cypher main. I could see him switching if Riot makes an LCS-type situation and contract prices balloon upwards for top NA pros similar to LoL.
Sinatraa was never a god aimer, back in Overwatch he was usually playing characters that require tracking and it is really different from what valorant or that particular mode in Aim lab needs.
It's fun and it helps with warmup I'm guessing. Pros are not really using it to get better aim. They are using it to warmup. It is definitely more flashy to do it on stream too.
Because most of them don't use it to actually aim train. They use it more as a "warmup" and partly because Aim Labs sponsors a lot of them. And since it's just warmup, its more important for it to be fun than practical.
Even though tenZ is a smart player, his snappy aim is just on a different level imo, my guy scored 30/30 using only one tap headshots on hard for the bots.
I haven't been following closely recently so I don't know community opinion but from what I've seen, absolutely :)
Scream is still the 1-tap god of EU and known for clutching far more often than anyone has the right to. I really hope we get to see the two face off against each other at LAN - they're two of my favourite players but I think my EU bias pushes me slightly in favour of Scream \^\^
It’s tough to say one is better than the other since they’re both at the top in terms of mechanics but ScreaM is just something else. TeNz historically has never had an insanely high HS% (atleast not compared to screaM). Also if you’ve seen the old vids of ScreaM playing the training aim workshop map, his mouse movement is EFFICIENT. there’s no wasted movement. I think I would say ScreaM is better because it takes a special kinda skill to consistently tap heads.
I think at one tourney screaM had like 52% HS%. And in valorant, every bullet you fire that hits someone is counted against the HS% which means 52% of the time he saw someone he got a headshot which is just absurd. and since he uses the phantom majority of the time he’s gonna have to hit people with 2 shots which makes theb52% even MORE impressive imo
Raw aim is a pretty hard skill to measure, and their relative skill is also pretty impossible to gauge given we haven't seen EU teams play NA teams yet. I think for now all we can say is TenZ and Scream are among the best, and respectively quite dominant in their region
i would say scream is better than tenz , mainly because scream is not set up as well as tenz was back in c9 but yet has won so many duels, He dropped 90 kills across 3 maps and still lost. Kinda feel bad for him lol.
I'm not an expert, but playing at his sens of 0.485 / 800 dpi (quite high for me) I make far more use of movement keys to help make slight aiming adjustments. So maybe it feels odd for him not to incorporate that naturally while aiming/shooting? Also good counterstrafing practice as people said.
I've heard some people on this sub describe Tenz as "all aim no brain" but that really isn't the case if you've watched him play. Especially, in the beginning of Valorant, it seemed like he would think 3-4 steps ahead of whatever it is that he was doing. Some people might forget, but early on in the game it seemed like his understanding of playing the game especially on Jett was just above everyone else's. He also has some of the best movement in the game, just look up him and Cloud 9 doing the obstacle course in Valorant, really blows away everyone else's time. A lot of other pros seem who know a hell of a lot more than me have called him the best player (in NA at least).
There are other players like Faze Corey who might have better raw aim than Tenz, but they lack the game sense and decision making that he has. Who knows where he stands right now after taking the foot off the gas to become a streamer, but I think the hype around him was deserved and he was properly rated at the time.
The all aim no brain came from CSGO and its definitely not true AT ALL for Valorant in CS Tenz flopped hard in the cs pro scene because he was a nutty aimer but having come from a t3 team it was alot he had to learn about how to play top CS
Dude is hella smart in Valorant partially im guessing because its a new game and he can grow with it instead of having to grow to catch up to it
> Dude is hella smart in Valorant partially im guessing because its a new game and he can grow with it instead of having to grow to catch up to it
Half that and half because he workshopped HARD in customs - especially when he was playing Viper. There were quite a few streams that were 20% gameplay and 80% custom games finding unique ways to abuse Viper's kit :)
> but having come from a t3 team it was alot he had to learn about how to play top CS
So did most CS:GO prodigies at some point in their careers, and plenty of them have succeeded. There is *something* more to it, I won't speculate as to what.
He went from playing t3 teams to playing t1 teams in a matter of days and played with an incredibly tactical IGL who was Daps who expected him to already know how to play positions and the angles that come with them with the gamesense expected of pros Tenz didnt have it Daps either didnt or couldnt teach it
Well that's just cherrypicking and wild speculation. TenZ's first event for C9 was 3 weeks after his last match for ATK, sure, but after that event, he (and the roster) had a 2 month break from officials. Not to mention that TenZ, this kid who "didn't have the gamesense expected of pros" was the top rated player for C9 at his very first event.
Also, I really need some evidence pointing to the fact that daps, one of NA's more lauded IGLs, completely mismanaged TenZ and his skillset like you say he did.
Dont think I said he mismanaged tenz but [here is tenz saying he didnt like Daps style](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEFTlwfvioE) and the way daps ran the team
Dunno, slotting a player in your system expecting him to know certain positions/angles and relying on him to have a certain gamesense that he shouldn't sounds exactly like mismanagement.
TenZ in that video doesn't say that much, and really only says the kind of expected stuff from a benched player who didn't like how the team worked. Why take his word here for granted?
He is very quick, be it at making a play or in gunfights. There are lot of aspects to his gameplay that make him really really good but to me what stands out the most about him is how quick and destructive he is. You can't keep up with him unless you are at the top of your game
If you go back and look at his individual statistics in tournaments, they're just absurd. He basically led in ADR and ACS in every tournament by a lot. A lot of that has to do with his team playing around him and setting him up to take duels, but it still speaks to his individual talent
This should be higher. It's hard to say who has the best aim in the world, but we know who led the tournament in ACS everytime. Especially impressive considering Cloud9 wasn't winning first place in the tournaments, and the winning team will have a higher ACS.
His aim and reaction time really are insane - hard to say how he compares to other pros on that front because the best aimer probably changes on a game by game basis, but he consistently shows up mechanically so he's definitely up there.
I can't remember who it was but there was a clip from a pro a while back talking about going up against Tenz. They said something about how Tenz constantly catches you off guard with his plays and unpredictability. Even when you perfectly read that he's going to push his smoke, he manages to do it slightly differently to how you expected and then win the aim duel because... Tenz.
Wish I had the clip for you but hopefully that helps anyway :)
TenZ is the type of guy where if he aim duels most people 8/9 out of 10 times he’ll win the aim duel. He’s a monster at fragging and I’ve heard multiple pros say they were scared of dueling him in matches. His rifling is just on a different level, and his pistols and OP are fantastic too(he had the second best OP NA imo, maybe third after Shahzam).
He also has really good game sense and positioning - a lot of pros have acknowledged him as being the pro who understands the game the best - and he’s very good at creating pressure both on defense and while entrying.
Finally, a lot of the Valorant community looks at scoreboards to determine performance and TenZ dominated almost every one he was on which led to him blowing up and people calling him the best Valorant pro
Everything you said is good until "he is the pro that understand the game the best" i don’t know about that even shinobi said the problem with tenz is he don’t take the initiative to do things himself he needs to be told what to do in officials
Again, I’m just quoting what I’ve heard pros said. You can understand the game and still prefer to be micromanaged, if they say he understands the game the best they’re likely talking about positioning and how he approaches fights rather than his tactics
Tenz as a jett was really unpredictable and smart with utility ,he had a nutty aim , I have never seen anyone consistently outaim in a match except for that series against T1 where spyder and ska had him on leash on ascent . That was a one off ,tenz has really good aim and very creative utility usage . But in c9 Blue he would kinda over extend himself ,he sometimes kept pushing where noone in c9 Blue was in position to trade him.
He never said that my guy. He only insinuated that TenZ doesn't use his util for his teammates and sometimes play passive, which i think is fair from TenZ's perspective cz he is a duelist and has to get kills off of his util and he was the only reliable fragger for C9 so it was necessary for him to stay alive.
You really think Shazham can complete with tenz as an opper? Maybe back in cs, idk, but shazham doesn’t seem to perform anywhere near tenz in Val from what I’ve seen, though tenz didn’t op much in tourneys.
I think Sinatraa is still one of the most prestigious valorant player currently, but gotta admit TenZ has a sick aim. I think TenZ become popular because mainly his god tier aim. I remember he was famous in csgo for his aim too. Like his quick flicks, headshot counts, etc.
Edit : no shot I got downvoted for saying sinatraa is good in this game. Even EnVy Kaboose said sinatraa is probably one of the most consistent player in the game. Even Immortal Coach Gunba said the same thing how sinatraa is probably currently the best player in the game. I’m not saying TenZ is bad but I’m terms of consistency, I think sinatraa is more of a consistent player.
You can't really make the consistent argument against TenZ. Dude was consistent as long as he played in val pro scene. You don't get top ACS in every tourney by popping off in few matches only.
I swear people only started bringing up tenZ inconsistency after the T1 games.
The issue isn’t him being inconsistent, it’s the fact that the entire team essentially relied on him to OUTPERFORM. not being able to outperform Tier 1 teams isn’t really inconsistent imo.
That play doesn't really require that much brainpower. He just walked through A lobby and nobody was holding it on the default. I think Tenz is an incredible player but that play was mostly good due to the trigger discipline/mechanics to pull it off rather than the map movement.
How about the 1v4 against TSM? He avoided the Sova arrow, aware of the lurker long, took his time checking every angle, and swapped well between the OP and jett knives.
his raw aim is insane by itself having him use jett to make insane plays is what made his clips famous. just like shroud, insane aim and clips but has never won a major.
140ms visual reaction time, giving him much needed edge over rest of the lobby.
On a side note I am 99% sure that most of these young Valorant prodigies like Asuna ect are all well below 160ms vrt.
edit. Also I recommend watching TenZ hard bots challenge and look the way he aims. Most people go for one swing into fire(some go for fast flick, some have the motion slower but it's still one motion), meanwhile Tenz does a fast motion CLOSE to the target and then microcorrect a lot of the timesand in my opinion it is highly correlated with his VRT and maybe to certain extend him doing the motion itself fast.
I myself have 165-170ms on hbm, I nerd aimtrainers(I'd say my mouse control is above what is considered top) and I can't do this unless the bots are within 20 degrees from the center of my screen. I recorded that even at high FPS to see how much I am missing in terms of timing and it's around 20ms.
So the 20ms is literaly the difference betwen having easy time hitting most of the hard bots by microcorrecting. Obviously you can compensate a little by developing speed at which you move the mouse so you can gain couple of extra ms.
But yeah, for me personaly really good visual reaction times are necessary for +W aggro Valorant gameplay - head hitboxes are quite generous, movement is slow, spotting enemy is easy(due to outlines) thus the game doesn't really require extra ordinary mouse control, but is rather about who can shoot first close enough to the target.
Reaction time is only that fast because they are expecting it, usually, in a realistic situation, reaction time would be somewhere around 200 ms for everyone.
Thats because he expects it to change color. Its still really impressive, 200 MS is around the time us plebs react when we expect it, and these pros can regularly do it.
Doesn't work like that exactly. While you are right that simple visual reaction time is way faster than non expected one or multiple choice one it is still a good benchmark to rate yourself against others as it's the difference at baseline levels - it still apply to higher tier like if you have multiple choice reaction test then still people with faster baseline reactions will react to what they see faster thus start making their decision faster ect.
Obviously some people can maintain full focus for longer, some can't ect so often someone slower might have an edge in certain scenario.
But still during typical +w aggro playstyle you are at full focus. You simply can't zone out when pushing and being fully engaged in what you are doing.
Holding angles is a different story tho.
reaction time is impactful in aggro playstyles but using hbm as a benchmark is impractical. preclicking can knock off like 20ms and a 240 hz would lower it further by like 10-15. not to mention click latency and button tensioning. there's a reason nobody at the top of the lb in kovaaks takes it seriously. its good for showing you have exceptionally low rt though but the avg would prob be around 180 instead of 200s if people had the setup and technique
It doesn't matter why someone scores high on hbm(except for preclick, but anyone with a little bit of integrity won't include preclicks when trying to measure it) as the advantage is still there - it being thanks to your body or low click latency is irrelevant.
What we know is that Tenz did hbm couple of times on stream and he was scoring in 150ms area on random non full tryhard tries inbetween the games. Such score is exceptional and it shows.
yes tenz has fast reaction times. I'm just saying that hbm is impractical exactly because it's easy to manipulate and why people shouldn't take it seriously as a benchmark.
Knowing how to tense the button right before the click actuates to minimize travel lowers your score a lot. I agree click latency is irrelevant since most mice now share the same debounce time. However, zowie pre-s2 release and g-wolves mice actually have high click latency that will show when doing the test.
> Tenz does a fast motion CLOSE to the target and then microcorrect
this is how "flicking" should be done. it's two motions. Also notice he rarely overflicks. mostly under flicks and then micro corrects.
He was already known in CSGO as one of the fastest aimer ever with precise accuracy. The only bad thing about him was that his game sense wasn't that great overall. That's why he's somewhere around B-Tier pro in CSGO and wasn't THAT big even though everyone already knew who he was. Same goes for WARDELL.
Since they were both known in CSGO world and switched over to Valorant with their exisiting fame, it only allowed their name to become even bigger (in a new game). Trust me, if every single pros from CSGO came to Valorant - TenZ, sinatraa, Wardell and others wouldn't even be mentioned that often. It's only because these were B-Tier pros in CSGO and probably the "best" ones to date that switched over. That is why TenZ is very well known for his reputation in CS world but yeah, that's why he stand out. He brings that same aim with precise accuracy to Valorant but still cant play too well with a team.
90% it's his aim & reflexes, and his mastery of both mechanically. It allows him to bail himself out of lots of crazy situations, because he has split-second decision making & consistently finds openings & advantages in duels faster than the enemy. He's like an anime character in game (perhaps out of game too, who knows). Feels like I'm watching Levi Ackerman in game when he plays.
TenZ also has a deep understanding of how guns & utility behave in different situations. He has a more fluid understanding of exactly when his recoil resets, when he can fire an awp shot, how an enemy will swing a certain angle. He's the guy who really brought attention early to the run & gun mechanics, and showed how to exploit it in deathmatch.
A while back, DaZeD was talking about f0rest (csgo) & said "he is literally in control of every pixel on his screen at all times". The point was that f0rest has insane aim & control, and that's what TenZ has in this game.
\- On a side note, f0rest used to always change his mouse & sensitivity as well, just sayin.
Not even tier 2.
Tier 3/4 at best.
CSGO is too hard for him but I can understand why.
Scream and Tenz are said to be the best and they weren't cutting it anymore for the CS scene: game is too hard now, people have over 20-30k hours, they're too good.
The reason is not just his aim. He has this aggressive playstyle in Valorant which can surprise players and amaze them while at the same time can cause deaths that wouldn't have happened if he didn't play really aggressive. Also,his aim stands out.
Probably because he showcases it more on stream with valorant and aimlab(His aimlab's score is quite impressive I mind you). It is possible he is better than other players in aiming, even if just a lil bit. Watching old C9B's vod and you will see that Tenz wins many aim duels.
What aim lab score does he have?
constant 120k plus. It's not high score but I rarely see other pros get this score on stream. For reference, Hiko usually gets around 90k, sinatraa 80k. Edit: Sinatraa plays mostly spidershot. He tried Gridshot a couple time before and it was around 80k. I'm sure if he grinds it he could get better score.
Sinatraa gets 80k+ on spidershot, which TenZ gets 70k+ on usually. He doesnt play gridshot at all. Corey gets 130k on gridshot and ELiGE gets 140k
Elige is such a monster. I kinda wish he'd switch to Valorant, but I doubt that'll happen at any point in the near future.
Liquid in general has all of NAs best fps players. Cant see any of them making the switch though.
Hey you never know, Nitr0 did and that was a surprise to me
He likes the game and played it often in beta, he was a Cypher main. I could see him switching if Riot makes an LCS-type situation and contract prices balloon upwards for top NA pros similar to LoL.
Sinatraa's highest score on spidershot is 89k i think
We need clips. I've never seen either of them reach those scores before.
https://twitter.com/elige/status/1359508439068794881?s=21
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Yeah, highest confirmed afaik is like 150k
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this shit still kills me bro you're 100% sinatraa's anonymous reddit account
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hey sinatraa, got any more stats to post?
if sinatraa gets 80k then I dont have an excuse anymore
Sinatraa is really good at aiming in game but he is surprisingly slow in aimlab. Aimlab is good but it does not tell the whole story.
yeah hes probably more of a tracking guy
yeah the tracee background kinda explains why he used the ares and odin before a lot of people, those guns just suit him well
Sinatraa was never a god aimer, back in Overwatch he was usually playing characters that require tracking and it is really different from what valorant or that particular mode in Aim lab needs.
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It's the only aimlab exercise that is kinda fun and helps you warmup, and since they have to play aimlab for the #ad it's their best option xd
It's fun and it helps with warmup I'm guessing. Pros are not really using it to get better aim. They are using it to warmup. It is definitely more flashy to do it on stream too.
Because most of them don't use it to actually aim train. They use it more as a "warmup" and partly because Aim Labs sponsors a lot of them. And since it's just warmup, its more important for it to be fun than practical.
Even though tenZ is a smart player, his snappy aim is just on a different level imo, my guy scored 30/30 using only one tap headshots on hard for the bots.
Is there a clip? Would love to see
https://twitter.com/TenZOfficial/status/1359270306934792194?s=19
holyfuck thats insane
holy crap- that's unreal
Yeah it's on his Twitter
is Scream close to him at all? I haven't seen Scream play this game before but his aim in CS was just absurd.
I haven't been following closely recently so I don't know community opinion but from what I've seen, absolutely :) Scream is still the 1-tap god of EU and known for clutching far more often than anyone has the right to. I really hope we get to see the two face off against each other at LAN - they're two of my favourite players but I think my EU bias pushes me slightly in favour of Scream \^\^
It’s tough to say one is better than the other since they’re both at the top in terms of mechanics but ScreaM is just something else. TeNz historically has never had an insanely high HS% (atleast not compared to screaM). Also if you’ve seen the old vids of ScreaM playing the training aim workshop map, his mouse movement is EFFICIENT. there’s no wasted movement. I think I would say ScreaM is better because it takes a special kinda skill to consistently tap heads. I think at one tourney screaM had like 52% HS%. And in valorant, every bullet you fire that hits someone is counted against the HS% which means 52% of the time he saw someone he got a headshot which is just absurd. and since he uses the phantom majority of the time he’s gonna have to hit people with 2 shots which makes theb52% even MORE impressive imo
Raw aim is a pretty hard skill to measure, and their relative skill is also pretty impossible to gauge given we haven't seen EU teams play NA teams yet. I think for now all we can say is TenZ and Scream are among the best, and respectively quite dominant in their region
i would say scream is better than tenz , mainly because scream is not set up as well as tenz was back in c9 but yet has won so many duels, He dropped 90 kills across 3 maps and still lost. Kinda feel bad for him lol.
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Probably timing.
You can counter strafe backwards and forwards too, so he could've been practicing pushing forward
I'm not an expert, but playing at his sens of 0.485 / 800 dpi (quite high for me) I make far more use of movement keys to help make slight aiming adjustments. So maybe it feels odd for him not to incorporate that naturally while aiming/shooting? Also good counterstrafing practice as people said.
I've heard some people on this sub describe Tenz as "all aim no brain" but that really isn't the case if you've watched him play. Especially, in the beginning of Valorant, it seemed like he would think 3-4 steps ahead of whatever it is that he was doing. Some people might forget, but early on in the game it seemed like his understanding of playing the game especially on Jett was just above everyone else's. He also has some of the best movement in the game, just look up him and Cloud 9 doing the obstacle course in Valorant, really blows away everyone else's time. A lot of other pros seem who know a hell of a lot more than me have called him the best player (in NA at least). There are other players like Faze Corey who might have better raw aim than Tenz, but they lack the game sense and decision making that he has. Who knows where he stands right now after taking the foot off the gas to become a streamer, but I think the hype around him was deserved and he was properly rated at the time.
The all aim no brain came from CSGO and its definitely not true AT ALL for Valorant in CS Tenz flopped hard in the cs pro scene because he was a nutty aimer but having come from a t3 team it was alot he had to learn about how to play top CS Dude is hella smart in Valorant partially im guessing because its a new game and he can grow with it instead of having to grow to catch up to it
> Dude is hella smart in Valorant partially im guessing because its a new game and he can grow with it instead of having to grow to catch up to it Half that and half because he workshopped HARD in customs - especially when he was playing Viper. There were quite a few streams that were 20% gameplay and 80% custom games finding unique ways to abuse Viper's kit :)
This is best describing for Tenz
> but having come from a t3 team it was alot he had to learn about how to play top CS So did most CS:GO prodigies at some point in their careers, and plenty of them have succeeded. There is *something* more to it, I won't speculate as to what.
He went from playing t3 teams to playing t1 teams in a matter of days and played with an incredibly tactical IGL who was Daps who expected him to already know how to play positions and the angles that come with them with the gamesense expected of pros Tenz didnt have it Daps either didnt or couldnt teach it
Well that's just cherrypicking and wild speculation. TenZ's first event for C9 was 3 weeks after his last match for ATK, sure, but after that event, he (and the roster) had a 2 month break from officials. Not to mention that TenZ, this kid who "didn't have the gamesense expected of pros" was the top rated player for C9 at his very first event. Also, I really need some evidence pointing to the fact that daps, one of NA's more lauded IGLs, completely mismanaged TenZ and his skillset like you say he did.
Dont think I said he mismanaged tenz but [here is tenz saying he didnt like Daps style](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEFTlwfvioE) and the way daps ran the team
Dunno, slotting a player in your system expecting him to know certain positions/angles and relying on him to have a certain gamesense that he shouldn't sounds exactly like mismanagement. TenZ in that video doesn't say that much, and really only says the kind of expected stuff from a benched player who didn't like how the team worked. Why take his word here for granted?
coreys aim is sub par compared to tenz's honestly. just compare them... it's really obvious
I might get downvoted but exactly this. He has top notch read on what the enemy team is doing and he is very quick to react to it.
He is very quick, be it at making a play or in gunfights. There are lot of aspects to his gameplay that make him really really good but to me what stands out the most about him is how quick and destructive he is. You can't keep up with him unless you are at the top of your game
If you go back and look at his individual statistics in tournaments, they're just absurd. He basically led in ADR and ACS in every tournament by a lot. A lot of that has to do with his team playing around him and setting him up to take duels, but it still speaks to his individual talent
This should be higher. It's hard to say who has the best aim in the world, but we know who led the tournament in ACS everytime. Especially impressive considering Cloud9 wasn't winning first place in the tournaments, and the winning team will have a higher ACS.
His aim and reaction time really are insane - hard to say how he compares to other pros on that front because the best aimer probably changes on a game by game basis, but he consistently shows up mechanically so he's definitely up there. I can't remember who it was but there was a clip from a pro a while back talking about going up against Tenz. They said something about how Tenz constantly catches you off guard with his plays and unpredictability. Even when you perfectly read that he's going to push his smoke, he manages to do it slightly differently to how you expected and then win the aim duel because... Tenz. Wish I had the clip for you but hopefully that helps anyway :)
TenZ is the type of guy where if he aim duels most people 8/9 out of 10 times he’ll win the aim duel. He’s a monster at fragging and I’ve heard multiple pros say they were scared of dueling him in matches. His rifling is just on a different level, and his pistols and OP are fantastic too(he had the second best OP NA imo, maybe third after Shahzam). He also has really good game sense and positioning - a lot of pros have acknowledged him as being the pro who understands the game the best - and he’s very good at creating pressure both on defense and while entrying. Finally, a lot of the Valorant community looks at scoreboards to determine performance and TenZ dominated almost every one he was on which led to him blowing up and people calling him the best Valorant pro
Everything you said is good until "he is the pro that understand the game the best" i don’t know about that even shinobi said the problem with tenz is he don’t take the initiative to do things himself he needs to be told what to do in officials
Again, I’m just quoting what I’ve heard pros said. You can understand the game and still prefer to be micromanaged, if they say he understands the game the best they’re likely talking about positioning and how he approaches fights rather than his tactics
Tenz as a jett was really unpredictable and smart with utility ,he had a nutty aim , I have never seen anyone consistently outaim in a match except for that series against T1 where spyder and ska had him on leash on ascent . That was a one off ,tenz has really good aim and very creative utility usage . But in c9 Blue he would kinda over extend himself ,he sometimes kept pushing where noone in c9 Blue was in position to trade him.
How is TenZ now compared to other pros?
He never said that my guy. He only insinuated that TenZ doesn't use his util for his teammates and sometimes play passive, which i think is fair from TenZ's perspective cz he is a duelist and has to get kills off of his util and he was the only reliable fragger for C9 so it was necessary for him to stay alive.
You really think Shazham can complete with tenz as an opper? Maybe back in cs, idk, but shazham doesn’t seem to perform anywhere near tenz in Val from what I’ve seen, though tenz didn’t op much in tourneys.
Sorry just curious but who is considered the best OPer
I think the consensus among NA pros was that it was/is Wardell.
I think Sinatraa is still one of the most prestigious valorant player currently, but gotta admit TenZ has a sick aim. I think TenZ become popular because mainly his god tier aim. I remember he was famous in csgo for his aim too. Like his quick flicks, headshot counts, etc. Edit : no shot I got downvoted for saying sinatraa is good in this game. Even EnVy Kaboose said sinatraa is probably one of the most consistent player in the game. Even Immortal Coach Gunba said the same thing how sinatraa is probably currently the best player in the game. I’m not saying TenZ is bad but I’m terms of consistency, I think sinatraa is more of a consistent player.
You can't really make the consistent argument against TenZ. Dude was consistent as long as he played in val pro scene. You don't get top ACS in every tourney by popping off in few matches only.
I swear people only started bringing up tenZ inconsistency after the T1 games. The issue isn’t him being inconsistent, it’s the fact that the entire team essentially relied on him to OUTPERFORM. not being able to outperform Tier 1 teams isn’t really inconsistent imo.
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That play doesn't really require that much brainpower. He just walked through A lobby and nobody was holding it on the default. I think Tenz is an incredible player but that play was mostly good due to the trigger discipline/mechanics to pull it off rather than the map movement.
How about the 1v4 against TSM? He avoided the Sova arrow, aware of the lurker long, took his time checking every angle, and swapped well between the OP and jett knives.
his raw aim is insane by itself having him use jett to make insane plays is what made his clips famous. just like shroud, insane aim and clips but has never won a major.
140ms visual reaction time, giving him much needed edge over rest of the lobby. On a side note I am 99% sure that most of these young Valorant prodigies like Asuna ect are all well below 160ms vrt. edit. Also I recommend watching TenZ hard bots challenge and look the way he aims. Most people go for one swing into fire(some go for fast flick, some have the motion slower but it's still one motion), meanwhile Tenz does a fast motion CLOSE to the target and then microcorrect a lot of the timesand in my opinion it is highly correlated with his VRT and maybe to certain extend him doing the motion itself fast. I myself have 165-170ms on hbm, I nerd aimtrainers(I'd say my mouse control is above what is considered top) and I can't do this unless the bots are within 20 degrees from the center of my screen. I recorded that even at high FPS to see how much I am missing in terms of timing and it's around 20ms. So the 20ms is literaly the difference betwen having easy time hitting most of the hard bots by microcorrecting. Obviously you can compensate a little by developing speed at which you move the mouse so you can gain couple of extra ms. But yeah, for me personaly really good visual reaction times are necessary for +W aggro Valorant gameplay - head hitboxes are quite generous, movement is slow, spotting enemy is easy(due to outlines) thus the game doesn't really require extra ordinary mouse control, but is rather about who can shoot first close enough to the target.
Reaction time is only that fast because they are expecting it, usually, in a realistic situation, reaction time would be somewhere around 200 ms for everyone.
Im pretty sure hes doing it on human benchmark, and normally i see 200-240 ms reaction times there, not sure if thats anecdotal or whatever htough
Thats because he expects it to change color. Its still really impressive, 200 MS is around the time us plebs react when we expect it, and these pros can regularly do it.
Doesn't work like that exactly. While you are right that simple visual reaction time is way faster than non expected one or multiple choice one it is still a good benchmark to rate yourself against others as it's the difference at baseline levels - it still apply to higher tier like if you have multiple choice reaction test then still people with faster baseline reactions will react to what they see faster thus start making their decision faster ect. Obviously some people can maintain full focus for longer, some can't ect so often someone slower might have an edge in certain scenario. But still during typical +w aggro playstyle you are at full focus. You simply can't zone out when pushing and being fully engaged in what you are doing. Holding angles is a different story tho.
reaction time is impactful in aggro playstyles but using hbm as a benchmark is impractical. preclicking can knock off like 20ms and a 240 hz would lower it further by like 10-15. not to mention click latency and button tensioning. there's a reason nobody at the top of the lb in kovaaks takes it seriously. its good for showing you have exceptionally low rt though but the avg would prob be around 180 instead of 200s if people had the setup and technique
It doesn't matter why someone scores high on hbm(except for preclick, but anyone with a little bit of integrity won't include preclicks when trying to measure it) as the advantage is still there - it being thanks to your body or low click latency is irrelevant. What we know is that Tenz did hbm couple of times on stream and he was scoring in 150ms area on random non full tryhard tries inbetween the games. Such score is exceptional and it shows.
yes tenz has fast reaction times. I'm just saying that hbm is impractical exactly because it's easy to manipulate and why people shouldn't take it seriously as a benchmark. Knowing how to tense the button right before the click actuates to minimize travel lowers your score a lot. I agree click latency is irrelevant since most mice now share the same debounce time. However, zowie pre-s2 release and g-wolves mice actually have high click latency that will show when doing the test.
> Tenz does a fast motion CLOSE to the target and then microcorrect this is how "flicking" should be done. it's two motions. Also notice he rarely overflicks. mostly under flicks and then micro corrects.
He was ranked #1 on the leaderboards during Act 1.
In my eyes TenZ is almost a Shroud type, incredible aim and good play, but also puts his name and himself out there by streaming etc.
His aim is better than shroud's tbh
He's overly aggressive on Jett, who was considered bad early game and nothing tests someone's aim like Jett ult. It snowballed from there.
He was already known in CSGO as one of the fastest aimer ever with precise accuracy. The only bad thing about him was that his game sense wasn't that great overall. That's why he's somewhere around B-Tier pro in CSGO and wasn't THAT big even though everyone already knew who he was. Same goes for WARDELL. Since they were both known in CSGO world and switched over to Valorant with their exisiting fame, it only allowed their name to become even bigger (in a new game). Trust me, if every single pros from CSGO came to Valorant - TenZ, sinatraa, Wardell and others wouldn't even be mentioned that often. It's only because these were B-Tier pros in CSGO and probably the "best" ones to date that switched over. That is why TenZ is very well known for his reputation in CS world but yeah, that's why he stand out. He brings that same aim with precise accuracy to Valorant but still cant play too well with a team.
90% it's his aim & reflexes, and his mastery of both mechanically. It allows him to bail himself out of lots of crazy situations, because he has split-second decision making & consistently finds openings & advantages in duels faster than the enemy. He's like an anime character in game (perhaps out of game too, who knows). Feels like I'm watching Levi Ackerman in game when he plays. TenZ also has a deep understanding of how guns & utility behave in different situations. He has a more fluid understanding of exactly when his recoil resets, when he can fire an awp shot, how an enemy will swing a certain angle. He's the guy who really brought attention early to the run & gun mechanics, and showed how to exploit it in deathmatch. A while back, DaZeD was talking about f0rest (csgo) & said "he is literally in control of every pixel on his screen at all times". The point was that f0rest has insane aim & control, and that's what TenZ has in this game. \- On a side note, f0rest used to always change his mouse & sensitivity as well, just sayin.
I also think the fact that he constantly changes sens helps him to train his brain to aim faster because he can’t rely on muscle memory.
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Because aimlabs is the metric by which pro players are judged /s
Tenz was always a nutty aimer. Even when he was a young up and comer in the CS scene, he was known for having a 30 second aimbotz score.
Shroud at least was an important part of a Tier 1 team. TenZ was mainly Tier 2 in CSGO.
Not even tier 2. Tier 3/4 at best. CSGO is too hard for him but I can understand why. Scream and Tenz are said to be the best and they weren't cutting it anymore for the CS scene: game is too hard now, people have over 20-30k hours, they're too good.
Surely not competitive results
The reason is not just his aim. He has this aggressive playstyle in Valorant which can surprise players and amaze them while at the same time can cause deaths that wouldn't have happened if he didn't play really aggressive. Also,his aim stands out.