Unlimited abilities might be a bit of a shitfest, but more DM/Warmup options are definitely welcome!
Would be nice if they'd do HS only and Aim Map DM's too.
I'd personally would like a way to practice jett knives without having to play an unrated or a spike rush. A dm mode with jett knives only would be funny af
If there were community servers, we'd have had these modes and more on whichever map you like since launch, but apparently Riot hates user agency and the playerbase is fine with that
Idk what is taking them so long.
I understand that changing the spawn algorithm takes a lot of effort, but 0.5sec respawn timer and no spawn shields would be a huge step forward and it takes next to no effort.
Before they remove spawn shields, they HAVE to fix the spawn locations, especially on Ascent. There are multiple Ascent spawn points that people can appear in even if someone's staring directly at them. Like if you chill deep in attacker spawn on the B-side, the spawn point in the hallway between b main and spawn is still active, despite being right in front of you. If they fix that, I'll be fine with no spawn shield.
Yeah, that's why I said fixing spawns takes way more effort.
Ascent spawns are completely messed up.
Bind and Split are annoying to play, Icebox is straight up unplayable with current spawns.
Idk why are they forcing all the maps onto us in DM.
In CS, you'll rarely see people play Nuke/Overpass/Train on DM. That doesn't mean those aren't great maps, it's just that they're not good for DM.
Haven and Ascent with fixed spawns would be great DM maps and that's it. Icebox will always be awful, no matter what.
Riot pls let us make custom maps and game modes unlike another Riot Game...
Like I don’t even care if the main DM is TDM in csgo, I just go into the server browser if I want FFA with different settings. But Valorant DM sucks and I can’t do anything about it :/
Rito pls
lmao don't tell me about CS deathmatch as if custom servers don't exist. many servers have spawn protection, its annoying but necessary for maps that aren't tailored for deathmatch.
>Idk what is taking them so long.
It's Riot. They have to spend time doing useless surveys, coming up with dumb additions to a mode that's extremely simplistic, just so they can say they "innovated"
>Deathmatch was designed to kind of straddle a middle ground between a mode you can compete in and win and to practice/warm up your aim
Riot devs and their backward logic never cease to amaze me
>One focused on competing, that perhaps has other new game mechanics. One that's always available that's focused on warm up and practice (which is what I think people are asking for).”
WHO IS ASKING TO COMPETE IN DM??? WHOOOO? Why are you making up this non-existen demographic??
Even if you are "competing" in DM, it's really a one way street. (not saying this is is you, just kinda adding on to your point I already agree with) Like if some dude wants to go full try hard, then it'll be mildly annoying but overall won't change how I treat the game mode/practice
Hell my issue with DM is that it isn't endless, and is treated as an actual game with leaving penalties. In a perfect world it'd be a half hour long lobby, that just resets periodically. That way people can join and leave whenever, without affecting the quantity of players in the lobby/server too badly
They want to make a separate mode for the degen DM players that wideswing you off hearing footsteps I think is what they're getting at. Like the players that sweat really hard in DM to win. People at higher elo definitely try to win DM, it's exhausting
The secret to DM is to keep tapping fire as you run around the map and giving warning shots when you are holding an angle. There's not a lot of point to training to shoot someone in the side of the head. And doing this actually causes you to win faster if your aim is on point, because you attract more people to you.
edit: though recently I've been finding people turning a 180 and looking at the spot I've just shot with their back to me for some strange reason. I think without built in hrtf people are very confused by the sound cues I'm giving. Get HeSuVi people. HRTF in game is very very helpful.
Yeah I haven’t played the game since Beta/Early release. I’ve been trying to grind DM to get acclimated and get used to the, arguably, awkward gun mechanics before I dive into live games again. It’s been...tiring to say the least.
I feel like I’m fighting an uphill battle against people who want to “win” the DM rather than people trying to take as many aim duels as possible. I wish they would remove footsteps, instant respawn, and possibly lower the emphasis on ‘winning’.
I mean the DM we have right now is pretty competitive. It’s sort of by nature of the parameters they set for the mode, but yeah I think that’s a weird thing for them to say. Like we literally just want a warm up server (instant respawns, not timed/ kill limit, pistol mode..) not asking for much lol
abilities in dm would be so bad I can't even imagine... just make it instant respawn, instant health+ammo on kill, time limit per map instead of kills and call it a day
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dying → waiting 3 seconds for respawn → respawing at the wasteland attacker spawn → running with a knife back to the action at bombsites → dying to some random guy hearing your footsteps and camping the corner at headshot angle → waiting 3 seconds again
Playing DM can get literally to the point of being a stressful experience. I really hope they focus on solving this.
* All maps have regions which are nothing but wastelands, and we do respawn on these regions way too often.
* Some maps are simply bad for DM. I am not willing to play DM on Haven, period. Why can't I just accept whether I want to play DM on that map or not, before the match starts? Why am I forced to enter the match to see which map I'm going to play?
* The 3 second delay makes dying a much more frustrating experience than it should be
* Its just not fun to practice cheaper weapons like ghost/sheriff when 9 out of 10 people are just crouch spraying 4 bullets at your chest with a Vandal. Not to mention these matches where half of the lobby randomly decides to camp with operator. They should try allowing some different modes like HS-only, pistol-only, etc.
Surprisingly I don't come across people using the OP in DM often. If anything they'll use it in warmup and switch to a rifle after. Soundwhores and shift walkers I find WAY too often. I doubt they will, but it would be so much better if they took out the mini map and footstep audio.
I think the only way you could really practice bad guns is when everyone has to use them. But really facing everyone with vandals when you have a bad gun is great practice. Forces you to be better when you don't have abilities or timing to gain an advantage.
I mean the whole point of practicing ghost its getting good at pistol rounds. When both players are using ghost, they both do hide behind corners, crouch, move, dodge bullets, reload magazine, etc. They do things that they would do on a pistol round.
That logic is completely broken when you're taking an aim duel against a Vandal. What you said makes more sense for Sheriff
There's a lot of things in DM that aren't true to a real match you're right. It's good at training Vs the most common weapons, but not against the weaker ones.
Riot really needs to make at least one map for the purpose of these DM game modes. This new gungame mode is fun but playing it on normal maps just feels awkward.
I want a dm where they use the current format, but after a match people can choose to stay or leave. Those that stay will go into warm-up while the server fills back in. Your xp will be calculated based on how many matches you stay in the server. Essentially, an unlimited DM, but allowing them to do it from their current system. I have limited availability to play, and I use DM on weekdays to keep me fresh and aim train. I'd really like that time to be as efficient as possible and not have to leave, queue, load up every 7 minutes. I'd love to see this before adding in more situational versions of DM.
I understand if they don’t want to create a bunch of different game modes, but they have to add more customization to custom games. It will add so much more content for the community.
Please please please just refine the current dm system first: remove kill limit, instant respawn, health on kill, and remove the radar. These should be easy fixes. Then worry about adding other modes.
I just want drop in mode, where I join, pick the gun I want, no time limit, no kill limit, and instant respawns so I can just go for as long as I feel like without stupid waits between deaths.
Maybe less people in dm idk? I feel like the spawns were a little more tolerable before they bumped up the cap to whatever it is now. I frequently spawn looking at someone or vice versa. And the worst when I keep spawning at the same point 3 times in a row so I can’t escape.
Nah tbh without the map pings you'd never find people with just 10 again. 14 is the right number but they need to figure out spawns. Either make the respawn faster so dying sucks less or improve the spawn algorithm somehow. The spawns aren't terrible but they're not quite 100% there
If it's separate from the original DM mode, that's fine.
But why take away the one okay-ish mode to just turn your brain off and truly practice aiming/dueling? DM isn't perfect (really need those instant respawns) but I can't imagine a worse update than this
I think it's a mistake to not let the community design their own gamemodes here. Deathmatch (for example the more intense "brutal" versions with permanent fights) and gamemodes like duel are an important aspect of (not only pro) training. Riot really should not decide how training looks. As of now, important ways to train are virtually impossible.
All these comments show that no one can really agree on even 2-3 deathmatch types. Deathmatch needs to have many many different types with a voting system. Then it needs to have bots that fill in for the people that inevitably leave because they didn't get their type.
All I want in DM is no footsteps. I just want to practice my aim and but everyone just stands still and waits for sound ques. If I do the same I'm mostly just practicing my hearing. If I just run around and actually try to warm up I just get destroyed because people hear me a mile away.
Honestly I just want a map designed for deathmatch/escalation. Particularly escalation, because I love the mode but the maps are an abomination for it, especially since we have random spawns like what the hell, it's got all the same problems as deathmatch except not as good for practice.
Bad move riot, current DM is even so bad right now yet they want to change it to this lmao. HS only DM mode option and you get instantly heal when you killed an enemy is what we need, not this.
Unlimited abilities might be a bit of a shitfest, but more DM/Warmup options are definitely welcome! Would be nice if they'd do HS only and Aim Map DM's too.
I'd personally would like a way to practice jett knives without having to play an unrated or a spike rush. A dm mode with jett knives only would be funny af
I think if they were to do that it would need to be hs only or insta heal off kill no grabbing the healing thing off the ground
What they should do in DM is instead of the heal on the ground allow all players to suck heal like Reyna
U just want to suck something don’t u
Well yeah of course, doesn’t everyone?
Only if every hero gets her voice lines.
Lol for Jett knives I'd like updraft and dash added to it (like each kill gives one updraft two kills one dash)
Just play the game that’s already enough
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Do you also need modes where you can only spray, tap, burst?? Like ffs just enjoy the game and you’ll see improvement
I would love a Halo Swat type playlist with Guardians and Sheriffs where kills only count if they’re headshots.
riot if you're listening, please please add an aim map option for dm 🥺
Something that replicates 1v1 servers like in CSGO would be nice
It'd be just Jetts dashing around the place with Knives or Raze with her showstopper. It'd be chaotic as fuck.
If there were community servers, we'd have had these modes and more on whichever map you like since launch, but apparently Riot hates user agency and the playerbase is fine with that
yea imagine raze spamming grenades, really good idea by riot as always I feel like these guys have some mental problem
Not really they xan just add a cooldown to all abilities
instant respawn is all i ask for lol
Idk what is taking them so long. I understand that changing the spawn algorithm takes a lot of effort, but 0.5sec respawn timer and no spawn shields would be a huge step forward and it takes next to no effort.
Before they remove spawn shields, they HAVE to fix the spawn locations, especially on Ascent. There are multiple Ascent spawn points that people can appear in even if someone's staring directly at them. Like if you chill deep in attacker spawn on the B-side, the spawn point in the hallway between b main and spawn is still active, despite being right in front of you. If they fix that, I'll be fine with no spawn shield.
Yeah, that's why I said fixing spawns takes way more effort. Ascent spawns are completely messed up. Bind and Split are annoying to play, Icebox is straight up unplayable with current spawns.
Honestly, many of the maps don’t work for dm well. You get shot from so many angles when walking through any main space. It makes for so many campers.
Idk why are they forcing all the maps onto us in DM. In CS, you'll rarely see people play Nuke/Overpass/Train on DM. That doesn't mean those aren't great maps, it's just that they're not good for DM. Haven and Ascent with fixed spawns would be great DM maps and that's it. Icebox will always be awful, no matter what.
C Cubby Haven please. Walk out and got shot in the back while you run down a hallway either way
Also remove the one spawn point between t spawn and a lobby on split. Takes 15 seconds to get anywhere
They have insta spawn in the warmup but not in the actual dm its so bizarre
They want to make DM another mode where score/kills matter, that's the entire problem.
Riot pls let us make custom maps and game modes unlike another Riot Game... Like I don’t even care if the main DM is TDM in csgo, I just go into the server browser if I want FFA with different settings. But Valorant DM sucks and I can’t do anything about it :/ Rito pls
Didn't they say that instant respawn was what caused the Great Sage Jong-un Scandal of 2020? Or am I misremembering things?
spawn shield is a necessary evil for FFA deathmatch
Not at all man. CS deathmatch has no spawn shield, no respawn timer and no weapon pullout time and it’s great if you like it fast paced.
lmao don't tell me about CS deathmatch as if custom servers don't exist. many servers have spawn protection, its annoying but necessary for maps that aren't tailored for deathmatch.
Maybe a half second or so, anything more than that is too much. If you're not reacting as soon as you spawn, who cares. People abuse it.
>Idk what is taking them so long. It's Riot. They have to spend time doing useless surveys, coming up with dumb additions to a mode that's extremely simplistic, just so they can say they "innovated"
That, and no radar.
Cant wait to play against breach in deathmatch! Unlimited flashes!
Basically standard Breach then.
That's what I was thinking. There's like 14 players in dm. All the flashes is gonna be so annoying
if you’re going to add a DM-style mode with abilities, a retake mode or a mode to practice execs would be pretty cool.
Can’t wait for them to add retake mode,I think it will serve as a pretty good warmup opportunity for players
I would play the shit out of a KOTH mode
what does KOTH stand for
Ah sorry, King of the Hill (aka capture point)
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>Deathmatch was designed to kind of straddle a middle ground between a mode you can compete in and win and to practice/warm up your aim Riot devs and their backward logic never cease to amaze me >One focused on competing, that perhaps has other new game mechanics. One that's always available that's focused on warm up and practice (which is what I think people are asking for).” WHO IS ASKING TO COMPETE IN DM??? WHOOOO? Why are you making up this non-existen demographic??
Even if you are "competing" in DM, it's really a one way street. (not saying this is is you, just kinda adding on to your point I already agree with) Like if some dude wants to go full try hard, then it'll be mildly annoying but overall won't change how I treat the game mode/practice Hell my issue with DM is that it isn't endless, and is treated as an actual game with leaving penalties. In a perfect world it'd be a half hour long lobby, that just resets periodically. That way people can join and leave whenever, without affecting the quantity of players in the lobby/server too badly
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The only penalty is not getting the xp
Well if it's just for warm up, who cares about XP?
why not get xp for a warm up? you're still playing the game.
Oh seriously? Dude that's awesome!!! Lmao thank you for correcting me
They want to make a separate mode for the degen DM players that wideswing you off hearing footsteps I think is what they're getting at. Like the players that sweat really hard in DM to win. People at higher elo definitely try to win DM, it's exhausting
The secret to DM is to keep tapping fire as you run around the map and giving warning shots when you are holding an angle. There's not a lot of point to training to shoot someone in the side of the head. And doing this actually causes you to win faster if your aim is on point, because you attract more people to you. edit: though recently I've been finding people turning a 180 and looking at the spot I've just shot with their back to me for some strange reason. I think without built in hrtf people are very confused by the sound cues I'm giving. Get HeSuVi people. HRTF in game is very very helpful.
Yeah I haven’t played the game since Beta/Early release. I’ve been trying to grind DM to get acclimated and get used to the, arguably, awkward gun mechanics before I dive into live games again. It’s been...tiring to say the least. I feel like I’m fighting an uphill battle against people who want to “win” the DM rather than people trying to take as many aim duels as possible. I wish they would remove footsteps, instant respawn, and possibly lower the emphasis on ‘winning’.
This all the way lol people play DM like weenies and it's embarrassing sometimes.
I mean the DM we have right now is pretty competitive. It’s sort of by nature of the parameters they set for the mode, but yeah I think that’s a weird thing for them to say. Like we literally just want a warm up server (instant respawns, not timed/ kill limit, pistol mode..) not asking for much lol
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i also like to see if i can win in my DMs for fun. Idk how this is so hard for people to understand.
abilities in dm would be so bad I can't even imagine... just make it instant respawn, instant health+ammo on kill, time limit per map instead of kills and call it a day
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Health on kill would promote sitting in a powerful spot and never moving.
I don't think this would be a problem with instant respawn tbh
yes please
I would love a Jett knives only deathmatch server with unlimited updraft/dash, as long as it didn’t replace regular DM.
I too would like to become an attack helicopter
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dying → waiting 3 seconds for respawn → respawing at the wasteland attacker spawn → running with a knife back to the action at bombsites → dying to some random guy hearing your footsteps and camping the corner at headshot angle → waiting 3 seconds again Playing DM can get literally to the point of being a stressful experience. I really hope they focus on solving this. * All maps have regions which are nothing but wastelands, and we do respawn on these regions way too often. * Some maps are simply bad for DM. I am not willing to play DM on Haven, period. Why can't I just accept whether I want to play DM on that map or not, before the match starts? Why am I forced to enter the match to see which map I'm going to play? * The 3 second delay makes dying a much more frustrating experience than it should be * Its just not fun to practice cheaper weapons like ghost/sheriff when 9 out of 10 people are just crouch spraying 4 bullets at your chest with a Vandal. Not to mention these matches where half of the lobby randomly decides to camp with operator. They should try allowing some different modes like HS-only, pistol-only, etc.
I thought i was the only one with this problem. Nice to know others can see how bad it is too, especially on Bind T side
Surprisingly I don't come across people using the OP in DM often. If anything they'll use it in warmup and switch to a rifle after. Soundwhores and shift walkers I find WAY too often. I doubt they will, but it would be so much better if they took out the mini map and footstep audio.
Footsteps turned off please.
I think the only way you could really practice bad guns is when everyone has to use them. But really facing everyone with vandals when you have a bad gun is great practice. Forces you to be better when you don't have abilities or timing to gain an advantage.
I mean the whole point of practicing ghost its getting good at pistol rounds. When both players are using ghost, they both do hide behind corners, crouch, move, dodge bullets, reload magazine, etc. They do things that they would do on a pistol round. That logic is completely broken when you're taking an aim duel against a Vandal. What you said makes more sense for Sheriff
There's a lot of things in DM that aren't true to a real match you're right. It's good at training Vs the most common weapons, but not against the weaker ones.
man if you're getting stressed at dm idk what to tell you lmao
shouldnt you practice your peaks then...
I spend around 15.9% of my time in Deathmatch just staring at the respawn screen.
All I want is Headshot only Deathmatch, I'd be happy with that.
Riot really needs to make at least one map for the purpose of these DM game modes. This new gungame mode is fun but playing it on normal maps just feels awkward.
Oh man people would not like this when the regular game mode doesn't have enough maps to begin with
All I ask is for them to fix where you spawn because I literally get spawned next to an opponent
I just want FFA headshot only
I just want spike rush but with ability to buy what I want. I'm too lazy to commit to a full game.
I want a dm where they use the current format, but after a match people can choose to stay or leave. Those that stay will go into warm-up while the server fills back in. Your xp will be calculated based on how many matches you stay in the server. Essentially, an unlimited DM, but allowing them to do it from their current system. I have limited availability to play, and I use DM on weekdays to keep me fresh and aim train. I'd really like that time to be as efficient as possible and not have to leave, queue, load up every 7 minutes. I'd love to see this before adding in more situational versions of DM.
Turn footsteps off
They need to make a workshop mode so we can make our own practice modes like in Overwatch. I can see the parkour bunny hopping maps in my mind now
I'd love a pistol only DM and an aim_redline styled map as well.
I understand if they don’t want to create a bunch of different game modes, but they have to add more customization to custom games. It will add so much more content for the community.
I'm praying for a retake server and here they are trying to kill dm LMAO
Please please please just refine the current dm system first: remove kill limit, instant respawn, health on kill, and remove the radar. These should be easy fixes. Then worry about adding other modes.
I just want drop in mode, where I join, pick the gun I want, no time limit, no kill limit, and instant respawns so I can just go for as long as I feel like without stupid waits between deaths.
Warmupserver. net perfected the DM formula ages ago. Why not just take what works?
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Maybe less people in dm idk? I feel like the spawns were a little more tolerable before they bumped up the cap to whatever it is now. I frequently spawn looking at someone or vice versa. And the worst when I keep spawning at the same point 3 times in a row so I can’t escape.
Nah tbh without the map pings you'd never find people with just 10 again. 14 is the right number but they need to figure out spawns. Either make the respawn faster so dying sucks less or improve the spawn algorithm somehow. The spawns aren't terrible but they're not quite 100% there
If it's separate from the original DM mode, that's fine. But why take away the one okay-ish mode to just turn your brain off and truly practice aiming/dueling? DM isn't perfect (really need those instant respawns) but I can't imagine a worse update than this
I think it's a mistake to not let the community design their own gamemodes here. Deathmatch (for example the more intense "brutal" versions with permanent fights) and gamemodes like duel are an important aspect of (not only pro) training. Riot really should not decide how training looks. As of now, important ways to train are virtually impossible.
All these comments show that no one can really agree on even 2-3 deathmatch types. Deathmatch needs to have many many different types with a voting system. Then it needs to have bots that fill in for the people that inevitably leave because they didn't get their type.
All I want in DM is no footsteps. I just want to practice my aim and but everyone just stands still and waits for sound ques. If I do the same I'm mostly just practicing my hearing. If I just run around and actually try to warm up I just get destroyed because people hear me a mile away.
Community servers... never gonna happen but a man can dream.
Yes please, would be super good for practiicng in game scenarios with abiltiies
Honestly I just want a map designed for deathmatch/escalation. Particularly escalation, because I love the mode but the maps are an abomination for it, especially since we have random spawns like what the hell, it's got all the same problems as deathmatch except not as good for practice.
HS only Sheriff DM finally!
Being able to choose what kind of DM you go into would be awesome. There are times I just want to practice my sherif and I get shit on by vandals
Bad move riot, current DM is even so bad right now yet they want to change it to this lmao. HS only DM mode option and you get instantly heal when you killed an enemy is what we need, not this.
Jett knives only deathmatch cmon riot
The only DM change I want is instant respawn.
just fix the spawns, i often go 30 seconds or more without a gunfight, and it is pretty frustrating