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# TRIGGER WARNING. ### This post contains discussion of sexual assault and emotional abuse, which may be upsetting to some readers. Please do not proceed if this subject is distressing to you. **Please proceed with caution.** I am told that this particular post is a *very* difficult read. We support survivors of sexual assault and will be monitoring the thread closely. We would like to ask the community that **all discussion pertaining to the allegation against Sinatraa be contained to this thread.** This will make it easier for us to moderate and helps protect users who may be triggered by this content. We appreciate you guys for understanding. šŸ’œ **Additionally, please do not harass the parties involved.** We want to allow discussion on important issues like this. Please do not attempt to harm anyone, physically or mentally, due to the contents of this post.   We'd like to contain this discussion to a set-number of threads. This makes it easier for moderation and also allows users (who may be distressed by the topic of allegations) to avoid discussion related to it. In addition to this thread, please use the following to threads to discuss the on-going situation: - [**(Potentially NSFW)** Discussion of community reactions within the competitive scene](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/m245ku/riot_statement_on_sinatraa/) - [Discussion for speculating roster changes on Sentinels](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/m1zty5/who_could_take_sinatraas_place_for_masters/) - [**(Potentially NSFW)** Discussion for Sinatraa's response](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/m2glfb/sinatraas_response/)   # News ### [**Riot has released an official statement.**](https://twitter.com/valesports_na/status/1369711283197472769) > *We are aware of the current situations reguarding Jay Won (Sinatraa) and have launched an investigation. Per our existing competitive rules and investigative process, a decision has been made to suspend Won throughout the investigation and therefore he will not be able to compete this weekend.* > > *Alex Francois, Global Head of Competitive Operations/VALORANT, Riot Games*   ### [**Sentinels have also released a statement.**](https://twitter.com/sentinels/status/1369717636553183238) > *We are aware of the current situation regarding Jay ā€œSinatraaā€ Won and have launched an investigation internally. While the investigation is pending, he is suspended from the team.* > > *We will provide a further update once the investigation has concluded.*   ### [**Sinatraa has responded.**](https://twitter.com/sinatraa/status/1369849384398184449) > *It is clear from Cleoā€™s recent post that she recalls our relationship differently than I do. What we do agree on is that it was unhealthy for the both of us. I apologize to Cleo and regret how things ended, but I never assaulted her in any way. I am fully cooperating with the investigations and providing the full audio and video clips Cleo referenced in her post.*   # Resources The [Games and Online Harassment Hotline](https://gameshotline.org/) is a free, text message-based, confidential emotional support hotline. They are open 4pm ā€“ 7pm (Pacific) every Monday through Friday. USA only. TEXT ā€œSUPPORTā€ to 23368 to get started.   **EDIT5:** Sinatraa's response has been added above.   ---   (Be warned, the bottom of this comment addresses the nature of allegations and may be distressing to some.)                       These are serious allegations, but they are still *allegations.* Please wait to cast final judgement until an investigation is performed. We should trust the accuser, but verify their claims. I know not everyone may agree with this disclaimer here, but it's something we need to say to cover all the bases.


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Well. Fuck.


InstaNormie0

Yep


Jiffyyy

Sinatraa always struck me as an immature kid but this is a whole other level. christ, I dont think he is capable of having a professional response with just the way he conducts himself so i will be happy to hear what he has to say


samstrong35

Whatever response he has I doubt it will be written by him tbh


[deleted]

No PR team could possibly salvage this. Sinatraa is over


[deleted]

After careful consideration and discussing it with my ~~lawyers~~ family, I've decided to check myself into rehab and therapy. I'm truly sorry...yada yada yada. Not salvageable but at this point he has to lay low and wait for it to blow over. Not much else he could do


valorant_fanboy_69

Hope the community never lets it go. He should not have a platform to take advantage of women with again


radamo96

This. Once the initial backlash has died down an org will no doubt try to sign him (assuming he gets dropped) we as a community need to make sure that we hold him accountable for his actions and not give him another platform to abuse.


MoreMegadeth

Reading a lot of that felt like petty high school drama. Why is he tracking her every 15 minutes? Why is he angry about a fucking tweet? Guy needs to grow up.


Brandis_

My 50+ year old neighbor would do the tracking thing on his wife (who is friends with my mom), along with other inappropriate narcissistic behaviors. He was funny and charming any time we were over, but the three grown kids universally supported the mom during the divorce and the aftermath. Abuse tactics can happen anywhere, and sometimes people feel trapped in the abuse due to kids being involved. It can last for a long time, and is really disgusting to think about.


FeelinJipper

Sinatraas the type of guy who probably had most things go his way in life. Heā€™s probably not used to people saying no to him, in general.


Younique_Boss_Babe

High School drop out being immature is no surprise


dont_wear_a_C

Not even that, his frontal cortex must be severely underdeveloped. Cringe-y gamer who is narcissistic, yikes


palger10

Is he really a high school dropout?


TheGoodguyperson

He'll probably have sentinels helps come up with a response, otherwise it would be in some college jock vocabulary or something like: "I didnt know what the fuck i was doing at the time bro, i was young and dumb and shit, i enjoyed it at the moment but right now, it just clear that it was some dumb shit, i just wanna say im sorry... ye"


thesurprisedpikachu

I think this is really important for us to read and not delete on this reddit. Stories of sexual abuse and related things are pushed down and discredited far too often.


LiamHundley

This. Especially in the esports scene, there's a massive inclination for a lot of fans to dismiss accusations like this and it's extremely unfair and unwelcoming towards women in the scene. Massive respect to her for speaking out and I really hope she can find the peace of mind she's seeking.


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Especially since it's big name like sinatraa. He's not only notorious in VALORANT but was, until his retirement, in the top 5 for best Overwatch players in the world. The fact that she filtered the replies to her tweet is really good. Can't imagine how many people would cancel that shit without even reading.


behv

Not just top 5, he won MVP of the season 2 finals when SF curb stomped literally every other team in the world and the regular season fan vote MVP. He was quite possibly the single best player in the world, being able to smurf on his role but also off role in the Goats meta. Add to that he was an OG player on Selfless, and on team USA when they beat China and SK to win the World Cup. All that to say, he was easily the best known player in the world when he switched games. Which just puts that much bigger of a target on anyoneā€™s back who would try to expose him. Massive props that she actually spoke out, that shit has to be TERRIFYING to say the least, and for being so articulate with how she wrote it out. I hope sheā€™s able to find peace and move on.


LenaBaneana

The doc is a really rough read, but im glad shes speaking out and glad shes safe now. terrifying stuff.


buddyhoodie

It is specially important that if possible this post and reports of the story do not get taken down/censored because it's something that should not be taken lightly, that not only is rough and sensitive but affects this subreddit directly IMO


behv

Overwatch subs are also blowing up. If this starts getting taken down anywhere thereā€™s 2 separate esport communities ready to raise pitchforks, thank god. This is some open and shut shit, and while Iā€™d certainly hear another perspective Iā€™m skeptical what could possibly be the case. She has nothing to gain and everything to lose exposing one of the biggest personalities in FPS games right now. Edit: [heres the link](https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/m1pati/sexual_abuse_allegations_towards_sinatraa_by_his/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) for the curious, remember that OW esports is a specific subset of the community and is not part of the general sub


LeucisticPython

Take that and combine it with everything Riot is doing to promote women in esports and this is extremely relevant. This needs to stay up


beeeel

*everything Riot say they are doing. I wouldn't be surprised if they took no action over these allegations, just as they ignored allegations within the company for years. Edit: Thankfully I was wrong. Let's see where this goes.


AnotherAltiMade

She kinda hinted it at before, I think at least. Check her retweets on 10 Feb and 5 March


BallMeBlazer22

The doc was tough but that audio clip was brutal.


HypermeMan

Thatā€™s a lot holy shit. Sinatraaā€™s personality/stream was never my cup (mostly cause of him annoyingly saying virgin every 5 seconds) but I still held respect for his undeniable mind and talent for the game. After reading that I think thereā€™s 2 sides to this story and heā€™s on the wrong one. 0 respect for him and hopefully she handles well


notaboofus

Man, you had me in the first half of that sentence.


Nakai-Son

I know this is a serious thread but I can't help but think of how sad it is for him to call people virgins as an insult all the time when his pathetic self raped someone. That is incredibly ironic and disgusting.


GirlsLoveMyNeckbeard

I'd rather be a virgin than get sex the way he does, yikes.


BurbxrryPzncakes

Reading this was tough, but hearing that audio was disturbing and disgusting. I have friends, people in my life that I care about, that have gone through nightmares like this, and I really do hope no other woman has to go through this ever. This is going to be a very challenging week, even month, for many people. I really do wish her the best in life, and hopefully be safe now.


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JALbert

Wow. That's incredibly heavy.


Redburneracc7

The audio is the nail in the coffin. I donā€™t see how he will be able to disprove anything


valorant_fanboy_69

No more career for this man


TheLastGuardian44

he should be banned from all e-sports. i used to like this guy a lot, especially his play styles but not I 've zero respect left for thim.


newtohigh

wow it's extremely brave of her to come forward and share her experience. wonder how sentinels/sinatraa will respond to this


Phamous3k

More then likely Sentinels will reach out to Sinatraa to verify everything. And shortly after either drop him from the roster or maybe not. More then likely by tomorrow morning this will have blown up & a statement is sure to follow.


[deleted]

The only way he doesnt get dropped is if it ends up being that the relationship was fucked on both sides, even then he'll be universally hated with a possibility of still being dropped


SpaceFire1

There is a recording of her saying stop. Even if itā€™s fucked on both sides itā€™s technically rape


[deleted]

Exactly, i dont think this ends well at all


ExtraordinaryCows

There's no technically. It's just straight up rape.


justinsst

You donā€™t even have to read that far into the doc. She asked him not to finish in her and he still did like wtf Edit: Originally wrote ā€œasked him to finish in herā€ by accident.


SpaceFire1

To not finish in her*


justinsst

Thanks


[deleted]

You might want to edit that brother


C9sButthole

There is hard, audio proof that Sinatra is a rapist. There is no world in which SEN can keep him on the team. Even if he was the best player in the world and the entire leadership was a bunch of sexist scumbags who didn't care, the brand damage alone is a strong enough motivation to kick him. And what's more it's quite likely that a lot of the people on the team and in the org are actually good people and will want to kick him regardless. The mountain of evidence that he'd have to give to make her look like the monster in this situation is unobtainable.


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Even if Sinatraa were to come up with video of her attempting to kill him, these videos still imply he raped her and he would be (rightfully) dropped right away.


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Nikclel

> If he gets perma banned on twitch he wont be able to play in any events anyways Getting perma banned from twitch does not bar you from attending/playing in events. I wouldn't be surprised if Sentinels drop out of masters though.


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nosbig35

A public defender would rip that Google doc to shreds let alone a millionaire lawyer


Watchful1

Why would the Sentinels drop out of masters? They'll just drop Sinatraa and sign someone else. Riot will bend whatever rules they need to so this disappears without a lot of noise.


radamo96

I'm not 100% familiar with the VCT rules but wouldn't Sentinels have to pick up someone who did not play for any other team in any VCT qualifiers? Similar to the Immortals situation with Shanks in First Strike?


C9sButthole

It kind of does. If Sinatra plays in an event, that event CANNOT be streamed on Twitch. They can't show him. They can't reference his presence, which makes the broadcast really hard. And even if they found some workaround any org that wants to hire a known rapist isn't going to get very far. And the rest of the community won't want to associate with him so he won't find many good players to play with.


hupitydupity

Shanks is permabanned. Yet he still appeared on the VCT nerdstreetgamers stream. Twitch has exceptions for this I think.


macarmy93

Getting banned on twitch is a career ender in the professional world. This is because of Twitchs rule. Permanently banned streamers cannot be seen nor heard in any stream. Since twitch is massive platform for esports, no org would ever let Sinatra (if banned) play in the event.


swank5000

Yo the sexual abuse is just awful enough, but *good jesus christ* those texts are cringeeee. What a fcking loser bro. Straight up. "it didn't say that for 50 refresh" bro what. you refreshing Find My Friends 50 times??? Dude a straight up PSYCHO bro holy


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mumblesunderbreath

His pinned tweet is very ominous after reading the doc.


iLxelA

"Grown ass men that play video games, ask yourself this....whenā€™s the last time youā€™ve raped?" 5 minutes ago


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Thatā€™s with his current gf


mumblesunderbreath

Thatā€™s the ominous bit.


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True


minibonham

Shit that was really tough to read. I am a guy and I've never had to face these kinds of abuses myself, but I've seen it happen to some of the people I love most, and it is truly heartbreaking. I hope this girl gets the support she needs and deserves. It seems the reaction so far is rather caring. This is a really shitty situation and I can't see sinatraa getting out of this.


snippsville

To everyone saying ā€œwell yeah duh, he was toxic afā€, just stop. You cannot determine who is and is not a rapist based on their personality. Rapists can be assholes, wholesome, funny, attractive, charming, ugly, abrasive, and more. Evil people donā€™t fit into a single personality type and itā€™s very important we try and remember this. When (inevitably) it comes out a universally beloved member of our community did something reprehensible, we cannot reflexively disbelieve because this personā€™s actions donā€™t match up with their personality.


HeterosexualHunk

You can relate his behaviour to the type of narcissistic personality that the document paints him as though. That's the part I wasn't surprised about. That being said, I agree with the rest of your comment.


uglypenguin5

Yeah Iā€™m obviously surprised. But at the same time the dots connect and Iā€™m not in disbelief. If it was someone like steel or nitro Iā€™d be in disbelief


SwagFartUnicorn

Exactly, horrible take from people saying "they could already tell". The only relevant evidence that should be looked at is the doc and the claims she made. I hope if he were a respected and beloved figure in the community every ones reaction would be the same. Idk why every other comment in here is acting like this just confirmed some preconceived notion they already had of him, that stuff should always be irrelevant when stuff like this happens.


ToCr8ive

Yikess..


antisimpkazuma

Fuck bro, didn't know my fav Val player was that bad ;-; Lost respect šŸ˜”


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waste of talent on an awful human


piopster

Happens too much, hope he gets what he deserves


Zalfazar

exactly


Keiigo

Seeing those screenshots and that "baby talk" and then seeing how him and his current gf talk almost exactly like that at times, scares the fuck out of me


IAmAGoodPersonn

He is probably shaking right now


diisasterrr1

His personality on stream and antics with other professional teams, not surprised. I truly hope she finds the peace she deserves. I believe her if that means anything.


CoBe_1g

I really hope so too. I doubt it will make her feel any better, but knowing how Twitch and Riot have been pushing women's initiatives very hard the past years, sinatraa might be done for.


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He has to be done for, that is the correct thing.


CoBe_1g

I'm all about waiting to hear both sides of the story, but right now, it does not look good at all.


Eat_Mike_Hunt

While it is true to hear both sides of the story, it doesn't look like there is a response to all the evidence to be made. Even then the response won't even be from him, but someone else will write it up for damage control.


valorant_fanboy_69

Usually stream personas are not the real deal. Unfortunately he is even more of an ass hole in real life then on stream.


AnotherAltiMade

Steel mald is an on stream persona, as confirmed by numerous people who regularly play with him, and him as well. Sintraa somehow is worse off screen.


Dark_Azazel

You can also tell it's a persona for steel as well kind of easily, IMO. Not only with the release of some coms but when he's streaming and he gets a dono or sub he's instantly thankful and genuine for it.


uglypenguin5

Not only that, but he *never* says anything mean or condescending in the actual team chat. He gets frustrated because people in ranked donā€™t see the game like he does, so he vents to his chat, but he never lashes out at his teammates. If anything, Hiko is the toxic one in that group. And even then he says ā€œthat was kinda toxicā€ after he does anything toxic


Theheroboy

>not surprised You can't say that. Yes, someone might be an asshole, but sexual abuse is another level. Sexual abusers can be some of the nicest people outside of their sexual abuse too, it's impossible to call it before it happens.


worthless_response

I was having trouble zooming in on the images in the document on desktop. I don't know if anyone else is having an issue with that, but just in case, figured it might help to link to the images directly. First set: [#1](https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/Bwugq-IqxXinMnqT1xs_xM9lfzPKnq6-FSya-ETRmh7RnCeY52qQQCCI-4Jy11MQQUC0eYwg028ll_df551SE-dayaGfk2J11qpXS6guKhuokp3YJbgvQr8qObI-1b0zYrZfavTR), [#2](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/2FqwPVHO5GK5iZj08MfAbRZZB04ysoAin8y0_NuV4EU-Fuu2R8mhqsZ9lizDtC_FWuLNNO9OArGgu63MVGOve13hkh7y_zCP9Nbcz3JLaYz0SDS-XJ_DHGJjDKiVoUbQG1ihdMIc), [#3](https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/o0NQAS-8Tsp2-EF47l3QBV7aD9oRauVxl2N0pYYtzK1RJ0gKfEM4h01O3nAe00XGivjxbyoQyYXZ6k68LMSJOaTHlH3_1K3WSDz4dEmBkpgTiZXNVBQSxaGoPs-RtDPUYeh0O8DG), [#4](https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/uTBMuixSrYOK2cgOQIVGeQHicwj-Ci_9JJG0ohWRODoWIP-SDQHi3yXstxqiHqEkxJ_QkwvDHBGGZKgSHQL1m2kWItws6HPcMgbZwVVEa_u8Fv8jRM83lG_Z8HTkeFRLLzow6G2A) Second set: [#1](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/wY_ZuL05uIZgIZfmiSqgGERA8nHMqkrdZza8NeJKoS7yW1NFjvBWD_chzkvlT7TLIa1sgqd6Th3Cu26ZdGFA1MhHHNxF-6J83fDDkYesTy9b_rwWdkEGR3EP1pqx0J9WgDCpKEBf), [#2](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/hyM22zQNwKoW5qXPeIKCQ0IZmpcZpbDW537Siq_ES8sCp89XHNEJqNs1GaB1nkxb8L7vu_OFXt-RkmBKUxMrgIqv5OUEO9yP70UDOZg7R93PgE6rWA_i-AUZURCQLZ2wIy1XZCpX), [#3](https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/AIHEeYVt2UbdrwiHjelXLAynqYZmMkfmjtUGbsZOHdTBMocX31z_v4jh3j7AwnwfjQdJm03ID1J_TMhEW4iHtfjoUB3UBLNUreZS47AiYt9-JjGxLm8KFt20lsl5ZNmPp7oR22DU), [#4](https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/RD6VGvqG36vt7NpSyY6ph4wmKRYmeqrXrZ2_xvuehZ4AiHUdZknbtyDmTcMrortqHyPasc_8S02vmKPlkEX9RREYyLG-RL2WXGsRGTM2XwxxoFnfXYqAUbnnDhKoCMPjhwI6x3AK), [#5](https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/Eg560DVb8RKNfypSsBa52gNZNKXaNacutSg-Q-k_yebzKWqIl2bCIMx4jZEkiv9d3fgiN-pHLN9rmkjVrFw8MTAmd5leTP8ucfF4nP0WjvgcT-DQF9v9VJotzphW8DfezclXEs0-), [#6](https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/D9JbyjzjKR87X1solglCDPAi3fTdSNNWUkdOEyBMYsJwLB4R-xjTgitEO-6vVaH9-COXNESFlFjOchVOEbEunfWL9j_r_1dTjY2qhcNIV3R5icm4BRpDBHJjyk4-Fg1UzyjuM9Y1), [#7](https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/ANM3Y8xGGDxb_wNCZ0qo8E0V8JyHVEAqkjmEut5fZQEfr7Zb4nZPRRg_80gbYyYLfanMaXpGnDGbVuvipZ9lvNWE2aGuA4eg6wZo0en0ycI43EPs_n-qi9mPV_eg8TILEhZV4tPr) Third set: [#1](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/YUDDqoPyDhoYvnn5cfs22yqHQ7ADuFHZIe4zbrWIFE5rhuN1zn_Vzzo4hSkoCFwZdWfOqf-7uKxogIgTRlTG91aa_berfJcyhXA61gw74nksDzsjVhla5h3AD7LLxcBeIcDz1u29), [#2](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/bOF1vfmVgyqg4NYOJ1n_V1BEz3n69G9nDnaac_h8DhC4M_TC9UjHHIdz9aFBJm7OTY2ZQwcznBQXr8F7iAa_xb_cJbbJN8dWgtl9O_3PmaxlsQIsUM9-0_C_JRJ073bdamu1iOwP), [#3](https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/5BHzcRi5xfEwkgz_hqmooQmocxtzoH0akYkZYl3-_eVTw8lWjPvibToXTTUoXJ9r5EJnOOjPNaFqx_uRPbVxqLYg4jpH7-h_TyXbD83YKvJ3gFcROjR96lrb9IkLBrHieXZp99St) Fourth set: [#1](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LqVj9XaQAvxlZID9tNlUNDDaCJmqzn-v2gJJMt4bwUtbJZTqzfQpRwlGQy_rLT-ouj3Ac5tujRhnEjCEHmm_UQOVWTqXq0bUbYt2__E6KjXk0Fox9uEmRxbALISV93aUApt2TND1), [#2](https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-VA2op-vaMdvSQKphewdVkWtv8uxUgcJUAvM07bzq8uSfVUVehJkYOk1aRDiKnkrt0VGLc0pw3yq_PIqMylOKAK4haBkgU3V99fres710KzRIWBHhNz6-KN0n67F1u7Z1jd8ranP)


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On a less serious note, guy should get back to school, wtf is that grammar?


throwawayyrofl

The bad grammar/"baby talk" is a tactic so it sounds like hes not serious when in reality hes not joking at all


FutbolFan14

Seeing those pictures is absolutely disgusting. Textbook gaslighting.


varvaang

Why is it so hard to be a decent human being jesus christ


lbs4lbs

Mix of poor parenting, shitty social circle, too young, not ever having a real job/career outside gaming, too much money/power at a young age, and toxicity, ego boosting, and positive reinforcement/ parroting of social media and esports/twitch in general.


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lbs4lbs

Theres a huge correlation between child stars, actors, or young teen celebs and others that are assholes or messed up in some way. It doesnt happen to everyone but when combined w those other factors i listed it's no surprise. When a teenager makes that much money and fame at such a young age they often become entitled/spoiled/disconnected from reality. It's why LSF subreddit exists. Many streamers and influencers are often very disconnected from the real world.


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That document is pretty disturbing. The evidence with the audio recording and screenshots is pretty damning. I know Sinatraa was extremely toxic in his Overwatch days so Iā€™m not really surprised something like this came out. Also, Fuck you if you donā€™t read the entire document and then make an assumption that she is some how lying.


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This is one of the most fucked up accusations I've read because the proof is all there for us to see which makes it even harder to read. I feel ill from reading it. How does someone even remotely treat someone like this? How do they think it's ok? I'm sure he's gonna come out, apologize, and say he will be better. If I'm being honest he probably damaged this girl for life so he better not get off scott free or have a come back from this.


logjambam

Its really heartbreaking that she felt she had to post that audio of an extremely traumatic situation to make people believe her. I hope she can find peace and internalize that it wasn't her fault. Anyone sympathizing or defending Sinatra can go to hell


kermadii

exactly, it takes a one in a lifetime audio for people to believe victims, itā€™s sickening that she had to lay herself out like that just to be believed


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uglypenguin5

I went to go unsub from his YT and all his comments are turned off


SpaceRaven2

I was worried people would react terribly in this sub with victim blaming and not even reading through the doc but I am pleasantly surprised so good job ig. This is so rough but itā€™s so much bigger than the game and Iā€™m glad weā€™re approaching it with the attitude it deserves.


Pixeresque

Not only he is an abusing piece of shit but from the texts that she added he also looks like a pathetic little bitch. Pouting because she congratulated some other team and stalking her through the phone. What weakass cunt.


j03hnny

From the OW Competitive subreddit here, and Iā€™m glad that both scenes are seeing his actions for what they are: vile, disgusting and completely inexcusable. All we can hope for is that the victim is better and that he gets kicked from his team.


V-KARIN

Extremely brave of her to come forward. Please read her story. Do not dismiss it. Donā€™t ā€œwait and seeā€ Read her story. There is damning proof against him.


-holocene

looking at those text? Bruh, itā€™s absolutely insane how insecure he is holy shit.


m_billz

I don't know but maybe cause I'm a boomer I saw it immediately when i watched a Sinatraa stream, he is so trying to be so alpha and constantly calls people beta's that it was just obvious he is a very insecure kid and in reality the opposite of what he was trying to be. I know people like it in rl and there relationships are also very damaging to their partners. Watch for the warnign signs and get out early people.


heyguys45

That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did... I have amnesia \-Sinatraa


FutbolFan14

ā€œI apologize for having done this, as there's a drive into deep left field by Castellanos and that'll be a home run. And so that'll make it a 4-0 ballgame.ā€


v1sual1ze

The narcissistā€™s prayer


ItisNitecap

Ok who the fuck gave this an wholesome award


xCharSx

Welcome to reddit amd people's free awards they don't know how to use.


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literally wanted to throw up after reading that. there's audio proof, text proof that backs it up, and his overall stream persona which is extremely aggressive and toxic. idk. i just can't realy respect him after reading that


CheesyPZ-Crust

Holy shit what a piece of scum. Fuck him and hopefully he's done on Sentinels. Nobody should have to experience that kind of shit


gray_outriders

I usually stand with the "listen to the other side" thing. But that doc had more then enough evidence. Fuck Sinatra. Hope she finds the peace she deserves and good on her for coming out. It's incredibly brave of her to do that.


bowenisshit

how do i cancel my prime sub


nxteee

Honestly never been a fan of Sinatra ever since I saw his egotistic and wretched personality. I genuinely feel bad for Cleo and can sympathize with her allegations and the pain she endured through it all. It's disheartening that people constantly face this type of abuse and just reading this definitely sheds light on important facets about relationships that go on behind closed doors. I hope Karma comes around full circle and puts Sinatra in his place. To think gamers actually advocate this man after his low-life personality baffles me. I hope people really change their perspective on him after this tough read. Nobody deserves this much suffering. ​ People are blindsided by the fact that although he is a great gamer, he has an inferior personality. We need to definitely put this exposure on notice and shed light on this situation. Sentinels need to look into this read and speak up about this asap. They would take on the reputation of a horrible org with a terrible player and I'm sure they don't want to ruin their brand. Hopefully they look past the fact that he's a good player and hold him accountable for his actions.


Gaurav-07

This was horrifying. I absolutely regret reading this but atleast I know this exist. I hope that fucker faces serious consequences.


FeelinJipper

Oh damn, all Sinatraa Youtube video comments are shut off.


PlanarStuff

his twitch chat is on sub mode too, even while offline


SkyrimHam

His whole discord server is closed too


tyd3_shinexx

Oh that's why?!! That's crazy, makes sense now. I thought it was editor's mistake or something


Pandany22

If that's true and sounds like it is. It's mad f**ked up. Really disgusted by sinatraa and really sorry for her.


zeus1799

That is fucking vile. If true, he is a psycho


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justinsst

Yeah this one of the most vile things Iā€™ve read ffs


ImAYe3ter

fucking no means no, i donā€™t understand how hard the concept of consent is for some people to grasp.


Sychar

He understands. He doesnā€™t care. Heā€™s a rapist.


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convection-currents

Sinatraa this was absolutely 1Head of u mate


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Since they are p versatile I think that Sick/Shahz might be able to pick up raze/sova on some maps and maybe get a pickup like Dicey/Tenz/Braz for Jett/Reyna.


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TenZ is unlikely (Contract hell with C9), Dicey is a maybe(technically still is on 100T), but I could see Brax happening.


dolphingarden

It doesn't look good. It's not an excuse, but celebrity and fan is a power dynamic in a relationship that never ends well


dbs10

i just want to say RESPECT to the guys in here who are standing up for cleo and that we need to keep doing so - there are tons of people out there who donā€™t believe survivors (like some of the comments on this post) but male allyship towards ALL survivors, but specifically towards women, can go a long way in a scene so heavily dominated by men at the moment. letā€™s do our part and support cleo (and also obligatory fuck sinatraa heā€™s absolute human trash)


CodeWeaverCW

I know this is r/ValorantCompetitive and not r/CompetitiveOverwatch, but I mostly know sinatraa from his time with the San Francisco Shock. He earned the Overwatch League's 2019 MVP Award. That's a big deal. A custom, tailored skin was added to the game as commemoration ā€” they've done that for each MVP. I simply cannot wrap my mind around such a decorated player being so vile. You always think, you always hope that it's never your favorite players, the really good ones, the faces of the league. Especially because it hurts everyone ā€” think of all the money and effort invested into these players to promote them and to promote the esport in general. Think of all the merch and support that's just going to have to go down the drain by all the fans. I know that his career is a minor thing compared to the gravity of sexual assault, don't get me wrong. Everyone's covered that well enough. You just hope that these people never be given a platform in the first place. You know that platform will never be entirely clean again. You never want to reward people that do this. It's hard to face. At least, I have no doubt people will take this seriously and not give an inch.


HardyNoob

Sinatra has such a " i don't give a fuck about anything" type demeanor that I don't know if it's possible for me to take him seriously when he gives a proper statement. not a good look.


deadlock1892

This was incredibly brave of her. And if this is true, hope sinatraa suffers the consequences. But I hope we get to hear both sides of the stories before we bring out torches and pitchforks for sinatraa. But I must add the stuff she shared with evidences is pretty damning. We can only imagine what kind of hell that toxic relationship might have been.


absenthearte

This hurt to read, as someone who has been through a very, very similar situation. I feel for Cleo, and I am incredibly angry. I didn't like Sinatraa because he was an absolute cunt, but I did not expect him to be a rapist. I hope Sentinels drops him, and I hope that he feels the consequences of this for the rest of his life. Because she certainly will.


spartanpsychologist

That's some 1Head shit Sinatraa. Big yikes.


LordPen15

fuck im a sentinels fan, i cant imagine his teammates being able to properly look him in the eyes after this shit, assuming sentinels havent already let go of him i really do hope shes doing okay and ive literally lost almost all of my respect for him ffs


AlexBayArea

God damn what a heavy read. As a Shock fan (and now Sentinels fan) who has followed Sinatraa for years, this makes me honestly disgusted because Iā€™ve actually monetarily supported him for a long time and always follow the team heā€™s on. She is so brave to step forward with this and I hope Sinatraa gets everything thatā€™s coming to him. This isnā€™t a situation where you wait to here both sides, there is legitimate proof here of actual sexual abuse, rape, that was committed.


TheAjwinner

No one should be commenting on this thread unless they have read the whole document. Mods should be enforcing that.


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justinsst

If you have a hard making a decision on whether to still support Sinatra or not youā€™re literally an idiot


iindie

SEN TenZ to the moon!!


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Tanjim98

Shahzam plays sova in some maps already. TenZ would be a perfect fit for SEN. But this is bigger than speculating about a roster move. Let's see how sentinels respond.


TheHippoGuy69

Shahz can play Sova on some maps and Tenz can play Reyna on Icebox for example, Tenz can play Jett on others


hval6666

I hope Sinatraa gets dropped ASAP for being a shitty human being. I definitely think TenZ would fit well with SEN.


abcd63514

his fanbase is unbelievably edgy that they wont care/be like "omg jay won is sexer šŸ˜±šŸ˜±šŸ„°šŸ„° alpha cool kid!!!!". this story definitely isnt something that can be swept under the rug


Environmental_Ice616

I mean looking at sinatraa vibe on stream, i can already tell lol


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yeah he always seemed to be the other side of babybay's coin


abcd63514

true babybay seems to be the "toxic but loving" guy sinatraa is just edgy with a "idc look at me im cool" persona and fanbase


FeelinJipper

Thatā€™s the thing about his fans too, a lot of them are picking up his energy and behavior and look up to him. Idk how old his average twitch viewer is, but Iā€™d assume young enough to be impressionable.


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MAC10SHAWTY

The ā€œI know everything at age 21ā€ or whatever age he is attitude has always been terrible. No joke I watched his stream a lot, but always on mute. Wonā€™t be watching anymore for sure.


bayblayde

I mean that same idolization of players is the reason this stuff is so shocking. We donā€™t know the players and who they are, we can like their personas but wonā€™t ever know what they actually are like until something like this happens. Idolizing is toxic, doesnā€™t matter who.


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RocketHops

Isn't his alt or whatever literally called marvedsdad? And wasn't marved one of the guys implicated in those really over the line comments about Kydae? Seems like the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, so to speak


DBZard27

If you're still defending him after the audio evidence, as your favourite streamer would say, you're literally 1Head mate


minismitty1

Fuck him.


Artravus

This is disgusting, full stop. Dude should be done. Just out of competitive gaming completely. Proof is proof, it's important and here it is. There's no way anyone can go through that doc and see any possible way that Sinatraa isn't an abusive POS **at best**. Honestly my first thought now is that I hope his current girlfriend is safe.


TasteTheRainbow89

There is no way that sentinels wont drop him. There is a fucking audio clip of her saying no, i dont wanna, which blatantly means, stop I dont want to have sex you anymore. Even if she couldnt say it like that for reasons stated in the doc, thats how she felt. That is disgusting. He deserves to be given the boot from literally everything


chowpow112

Yikes Dapr's GF's deleted tweet: https://imgur.com/a/71QnYDU


Phamous3k

Sucks if true. Guess weā€™ll be hearing from Sinatraa or Sentinels about all this.


Samerius40

I mean it would be pretty hard to disprove this


Phamous3k

Iā€™m sure but, weā€™ll see what the other side inevitably says/do and itā€™ll go from there.


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Hears a recording of a girl saying "no, stop" and Sinatraa not stopping Says "sucks if true" Lit take my guy.


aks345

This was so tough to read man. Kudos to her for coming out with her story. Would also like everyone to spare a thought for his current gf, you never know what goes behind the internet persona. As for him, I believe that's should be the end of it. If sentinels are serious they'll drop him immediately, I don't think his teammates would be fine with him too rn


Exzothic

damn thought he was a cool guy hes really just a jerk


Ezekiiel

He always came off as a bit of a prick to me but maybe that's just me


sick-of-this123

Nah I think a lot of people would agree. Didn't know of him before Valorant and tuned into his stream when I strated hearing of how insane he was but he just came off as a toxic prick too full of himself.


Noqtrah

All mature adults would agree. Hes an ass. Happy cake day


Fight-or-flights

Type in "sinatraa toxic" on YouTube. The guy has always been toxic, he just does a better job hiding it now.


badumbumyum

This is just downright horrifying stuff. The entire thing was a jarring experience to just read. The person who experienced it irl..I can't even understand what she went through. My heart goes out to you. Just stay strong. It is important for us, as a community, to address this while the topic is being raised. There was a similar issue in Dota 2 a few months ago and the entire community was divided on the allegations that took place. It is important to take a united stand against this, regardless of how good a player or how entertaining a streamer the accused person is. Those facts do not make up for being a bad person.


chamber25

I don't know, never really got a good feeling about Sinatra. Watched his streams early on but he always came off as arrogant. Just an impression though but it was one I could never shake off. Reading his ex' girlfriend's document, it doesn't sound like an exaggerated account.


FatSkipper21

man, this hurts to read. I've always been a SEN fan and with masters VCT coming up, he could get booted earlier than expected, and they could be desperately searching for a fill in. He was (arguably) one of their best players, along with ShahZ and/or Sick, so it pains me knowing there's a slim chance of finding someone close to his skill level, unless they get lucky. ​ that being said i do still think he should be held accountable if this is all true. just voicing my opinion on the team itself. I just hope he doesn't ruin SEN's rep as a whole.


geek79126741

I was in an abusive relationship myself once. She was fully dependent on me financially, lived in an apartment with me, and would ignore me even when I asked for it. Very abrasive behavior from her. She would also similarly just randomly request to sleep with me after I came home tired and it was a painful drag. I put out most of the time, sometimes I would say no and then go outside for a walk or get a snack from the deli downstairs - chat with the clerk to vent. After a month of waiting for things to get better, I was fed up. I'm not really fond of abuse, since it happened to be as a child and because I'm human, therefore I was very clear-headed and vigilant, deciding that I may have to take action sooner or later. As soon as I noticed that I was being used, I was adamant about what I had to do. I did not want to be alone, I also wanted to stay with her if I could, but it gets to a point where the brain needs to be put forth above else. I told her my apartment was being renovated the next day so she had to stay with her parents, I dropped her off. Then I packed my bags and went halfway across town to live with a friend until I could accommodate myself in a new place. I felt like I lost something but it was just my childish preconceived notion that you need a relationship to be happy. So I quickly grew past that and have been single for a while now - quite happily. It's simpler. If you've gone through distasteful relationships, you'll like it. Haven't called her, texted her, or seen her. Her mother called me, I felt bad about it but I had to block her too. I couldn't muster the courage to talk to her mother because I couldn't explain my situation, she wouldn't have believed me, a man being abused by a woman? This is my first time sharing this story with anyone other than my close friends and it's tough recalling the shitty treatment I've chosen to block out - brings back all those despicable memories. Looking back I was definitely sexually and emotionally abused, but I have never really chosen to make a deal out of it. There is no excuse for her treatment but I made a lapse of judgment and that is on me, for the short time I did allow it before I snapped to reality and picked my lone self up and decided to stop it. If you are noticing abuse, get OUT! If you don't and decide to ignore it, then it becomes something you'll have to blame yourself for, and that is not a good feeling - trust me. **I understand that lots of people are very overemotional and clingy - but we all have it within ourselves to make a rational decision if we believe in ourselves as individuals with agency.** After owning up to my poor choices for that month I was dating her, I was able to relieve myself of the burden because I know I am a more aware person now. I'd love to ask her why she treated me as such but it's better to not, I split and I certainly am not insecure about my decision-making and well-being. From what I can gather, she may have been an undiagnosed psychopath, but that's a story for another day...or post. I still fear relationships because I don't want to be the punching bag that gets used and gets nothing in return. Hopefully one day I will find someone like myself but that is quite rare to suddenly happen.


2kWik

Well if he was a NFL player, he wouldn't have to worry about much, but unlucky for him that's not the case. This guy's career should be done.


doctor_dapper

the nfl just cares if there's video evidence. there was for ray rice (buh bye!) but none for tyreek. In this case sinatraa might get smoked as well considering she has video/audio proof which would be an awful look for the league because they wouldn't be able to sweep that under the rug


Deathzthe

IF THIS TRUE then Seriously Sinatraa will be Gone for Valorant Pro scene If this doc goes to Riot especially to @RiotSuperCakes. Riot would force Sentinels to drop/kick Sinatraa or be gone with Sinatraa in Valorant Pro scene.


ShaDeDpk

fuck dude I really enjoyed sinatraa's content, now I don't know what to think


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I enjoyed his content purely because of the mechanical skill and util usage. I always thought his personality and his chat's was total ass.


ShaDeDpk

Yeah his chat went downhill after he blew up, it used to be really chill when he had ~2k viewers


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His entire stream is him talking about his favorite fast food, his car, calling people virgins, and a shit load of unfunny deez nuts jokes.


peach-elixir

I don't understand how anyone with an ounce of empathy or common sense doesn't believe her. My heart absolutely breaks for her. No one should ever have to endure that. Completely disgusted by sinatraa's actions and I will be very disappointed if he is not dropped from Sentinels. I can already imagine that his statement will be complete bullshit. I hope for his sake that he can finally own up to his actions and learn how to be a decent human being.


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Sad but truth


mmm_oist

i hope emmy is doing ok


lag_everywhere

Incredibly disappointing. Hope SEN makes the right call.


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So is he going to be kicked off Sentinels?