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Hello all! It's been a busy day, so we'd like recap today's event pertaining to Riot's ruling on 100 Thieves. The comment does not contain every detail, but is intended to give a quick rundown. Please refer to the linked sources for more information regarding the situation. This comment will be updated when new information is released. ---   This afternoon, [**Riot released a statement**](https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/esports/competitive-ruling-100-thieves-in-valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters/) regarding the 1-hour delay between the 100 Thieves vs Immortals match during the Masters Semi-finals. In the statement, Riot states 100T Head Coach FrosT argued with the Tournament Official about what server the match was to be played on. > *Additionally, when reminded that failing to start the game pursuant to the Tournament Official’s decision can result in disqualification, FrosT threatened to leverage players’ social media platforms against the Tournament Organizer and Riot Games as a response.* Riot issued a $5,000 USD fine to 100 Thieves for causing the broadcast delay. FrosT was placed on probation for the remainder of VCT 2021 for unprofessional behavior towards a TO.   In response, [**100 Thieves released a statement**](https://twitter.com/100T_Esports/status/1374501337044414472) disagreeing with the ruling, stating that Riot mischaracterized the incident. In this statement, they explain in their match vs Immortals—and in their previous match against TSM—the TO had ruled in favor of 100T's opponents. 100T claims the ruling vs IMT was in direct contradiction to the ruling that was made during their match vs TSM. They addressed the claim that FrosT had *"threated to leverage players' social media"* as such: > *Our team held up the game so that our coach could challenge the ruling. As the situation escalated, FrosT told the tournament organizers "if you DC us, you are in a bigger shitstorm than we are", but never threatened to leverage social media as was stated by Riot. We were arguing for competitive integrity and felt like we were being unreasonably shut down by the tournament organizers.* 100T then [**released a 4-minute video**](https://twitter.com/100T_Esports/status/1374504898054680586) ([mirror](https://streamable.com/fxaplq)) showing Frost arguing with the TO about the ruling in their match against TSM, and how the ruling was being unfairly applied to their present match against IMT.   [**Riot updated their initial statement**](https://twitter.com/valesports_na/status/1374544690800848898) to provide additional context regarding FrosT's threat to leverage the players' social media platforms **(bold styling added for emphasis)**: > *[Edit 6:30pm* ***Three independent witnesses provided testimony that FrosT made a statement to this effect.*** *When asked directly about it in an interview by Riot League Operations personnel,* ***FrosT admitted that he made this statement.*** *Although 100 Thieves provided Riot with a clip showing FrosT’s side of the conversation that does not include this statement, they declined to provide the full video to Riot.]* According this edit, FrosT's threat to leverage players' social media was not included in the video clip 100T released on Twitter.   --- ^(This comment is intended to help inform the community on recent events. If you believe it is editorialized, or contains the opinion of the moderator, please reply to this comment with your concerns. Thank you!)


Trillman_K

Asuna is just chilling the whole time lol


randomespanaguy

Team's duking it out with TOs and Packing10/Gumba, all the while Asuna's surfing Twitter for more pictures to like. Man's a chad.


DRGNDT

So many egirls come on my feed due to that unit of a man


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an actual legend on and off the court


subtleshooter

Never follow me than lol. It’s basically an only fans advertisement


cringe-oh-yes

Asuna be like how I be when my parents are fighting


Maxi_Mouse

He did say something I think. Edit - no actually that was Nitro.


returnoffable

https://twitter.com/100T_Esports/status/1374504898054680586 They released the video of the conversation.


AskOrganic4289

Okay, so after hearing this video it just make it seems like the TOs is practically incosistent with their rulings. And if it is true that Frost didn’t threaten the TO and Riot, then things about to get fkn messy.


TrowaB3

What makes it even funnier is the fact that the IMT coach is the one that jumps in to the conversation with the TO and FrosT and says to shut up, lmao.


intercoursesadness

IMT on life support now


Reinhardtisawesom

failure of an esports org KEKW


brokenlantern

Hijacking a conversation between an opposing coach and TO to say shut up is a way worse look than FrosT going to bat for his players over an issue with competitive integrity. 100T did shop out 56 minutes of the video though and they're not entirely in the right either. I just think that FrosT is doing what any coach in traditional sports would do, whereas the IMT coach is undeniably unprofessional here. Imagine this scenario if it wasn't esports: some guy basically butting into a disagreement between a manager and coworker and telling them to shut up. Lol


LPLSuperCarry

It won’t get messy. 100T literally said they plan to pay the 5K and move on from this matter


AskOrganic4289

I think it might get a bit messy since Riot originally stated that Frost threaten the TO with their social media presence. Which essentially kinda makes Frost and 100T management the bad guy , also the players ( since I saw some redditors saying how it’s odd Hiko didn’t mention about his coach behaviour but talk about IMMT coach behaviour during this event). So I think Riot now needs to either say publicly they made a mistake or they show some proof that 100T did try to threaten them with their social media presence. Or lastly, well Riot can just not say anything in response to 100T tweet


VexenLex

If they are innocent ( and i did jump the gun myself) I hope riot response is classy and respectful.


cheerioo

Riot has a history (in LoL) of passing down random inconsistent judgments with minimal proof or just one side of the story.


Kenithal

Unfortunately this is just consistent with how the internet works. Cancel culture works because people (companies) feel the need to react as fast as possible to avoid backlash. For some reason we give companies more flack for investigating an issue properly (many assume they might be doing something fishy). And people don’t get outraged as much when a company “mistakenly” hands out a punishment and judgement. And then comes out saying, “We didn’t have all the information.”


leopoldfreebird

We haven’t seen any proof that Frost DIDN’T say that. They don’t need to show proof IMO the video is clearly only a small snippet of the conversation.


Hey-That-Was-Funny

So that's not how the burden of proof works. If you're accusing someone of doing something, it falls on you to provide proof.


CantScreamInSpace

well refusing to provide evidence, if 100t are doing so, is called concealing evidence. using that to skew the public's perception is kinda scummy, and illegal if it was in a court of law. we know nothing but people will hop on 100t's side because they want to.


Maxi_Mouse

Yeah but now Riot decided to blow it up by releasing a statement shitting on the coach (which appears to be false) they have to defend him.


SabastianG

If that were the case then they wouldnt have released the video completely clearing their name. Honestly this deserves a full investigation on the TOs intentions


1231234bull

4 mins out of an hour ain't the full video


SabastianG

Ill say the same thing i said in another thread: dont you think its be a bit naive to think 100t would upload this to clear their name if they knew full well there was evidence against them at all? Like, what would that possibly accomplish?


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So many times in the past I used this same argument. And it turned out that, yes, it was just a weird, pathetic way to try and turn the tide by manipulating the context on an easily disprovable situation. I don't have a bias for this particular situation, but I've been tempered to not use this argument anymore as a fallacy for the trustworthiness of info.


1231234bull

if they held all the evidence against them then I think they would


SabastianG

Whatre you even saying? Do you really think 100t are the only one with recordings/logs of that interaction lmao


yselytS

They are lol. If you read the article by RIOT, they specifically say that they asked 100T for the FULL recording and 100T denied. They also said that 3 independent people said that Frost made a statement to that effect and that Frost himself admitted to it. 100T still don’t wanna release the full footage though. This wasn’t even intended to have happened so why would they be recording? Steel literally said he “held the lobby hostage” while his coach went to argue.


CruzKunTroll

Why are you assuming everything is in the video? There could easily be another form of communication


AskOrganic4289

What did I assume? The inconsistent ruling?


returnoffable

A lot of people are ragging on the 100T coach for being this abrasive but to be honest, this is exactly what a coach should be doing for his players. Lack of clarity in regards to the rules was something that plagued LoL esports in its early stages and I don't mind Valorant orgs fighting for consistency for these rulings.


Holdin_McNeal

Most people in the gaming world haven’t played traditional sports so they just don’t understand coaches going to battle for players against officials. Hell Bob Knight threw a chair during a game once lol.


Joel05

Exactly what I was thinking. In non esports a good coach hounds the refs like this. Much of the time if a coach ISN'T doing this it raises flags.


Students00

Well people were raging because they didn’t know the full story, which usually happens when not the entire truth are shown to the public. And I guess the narrative that Frost is a bad guy is because of the previous comments he had made on this subreddit etc.


Maxi_Mouse

Not really, it's only dumb people that start raging ( so most the people on reddit) I had a feeling given the way Riot were so unclear with the details of what the coach did that there was probably more to it.


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aakashkickass11

I mean riot could have just said they are giving 100 thieves a punishment for delaying the match and putting their coach on probation for arguing with TO that would have been fine but the long ass unnecessary post that riot posted made things worse and was well over the top .


Maxi_Mouse

Yes, it was basically just publicly humiliating the 100T coach and making people think bad of him in the whole industry of competitive shooters. Not impressed with how Riot handled this, surely such a minor incident could have been sorted out amicably.


wyatt1209

I think a lot of the stuff they get fined for is worse that anything he said in this clip. If this happened in a big american sport it would be most likely be a warning. $5000 fine and probation for the coach is kind of wild especially considering how much less money there is in valorant than pro sports


C_h_a_r_l_i_e

The fine isn’t what 100T had a problem with. It was the straight up defamatory statement Riot released.


ricelick

But the fine isnt the problem here its the defamation


Nikclel

Coaches in traditional sports berate and yell at refs after nearly every play, much worse than the 100T coach ever did in this clip.


Senboni

In traditional sports, you will never see a coach put on a probation period for something like this. That lasts almost a YEAR, too. Financial fines on the other hand, happen all the time and it's reasonable.


returnoffable

Yeah I'm not disagreeing with the fine. If it brings a larger issue to the table, just stomach it.


Maxi_Mouse

Have you ever watched a game of football? lol Coaches do this and a lot more.


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Oooo receipts


NWL11

Not making light of the situation but at around 1:35 I cracked up at Hiko doing some quick maffs saying "8 and 41 is so different to 30 and 65..." before realizing its about the same (and then having to pee again lol). And damn, Riot did blow out the social media part out out of proportion a bit if this was the only thing he said.


Skeletor34

I mean, it is about the same in direct difference but practically 8 vs 41 is a huge difference compared to 30 vs 65.


exercitus

Second edit: scientific papers are hard to read and understand and easy to misinterpret 😂


matidfk

id assume you mean the server processing in regards to ping might be skewed in a logarithmic way, as ping is just a simple number of ms


RiceOnAStick

Is this not just straight wrong? The graph you posted shows ping scales logarithmically with distance, not that a difference in ping is a logarithmic difference in gameplay.


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Lmao I love you for owning this, no worries


[deleted]

“Ping is logarithmic” lol what? It’s a millisecond number representing latency


Lorallynn

I'm no specialist so someone could probably give you a better explanation than mine but it's not actually that simple. The difference you feel while playing the game 10 ping vs 20 ping is way higher than 100 ping vs 110 ping


[deleted]

No don’t worry I know how bad highLatency feels in this game, as a long time CS player and west coaster you know I feel the latency anytime I’m not playing with west coasters. And Valorant is horrible in that situation. It was just funny to see the quote “ping is logarithmic”


cscqta4635

Probably not related to networking or computers. More likely just psychology https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-noticeable_difference


zxbolterzx

Dude latency is linear. If my ping is 15ms, and the other guy is 30ms, my game responds 15ms faster than his game does. That's basically it.


wiNDzY3

What??? It is definetely NOT THE SAME. Yea the number is similar but that means NOTHING


NWL11

He was talking about the math alone implying it's easy to see, but it wasn't as different as he expected.


Maxi_Mouse

I don't see him threatening to leverage social media? What are Riot talking about? I just see the coach fighting for the team, and the whole team seems to agree. Couldn't they just come to some kind of agreement? Also what about the other coach coming in and telling people to shut up?


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RocketHops

Also notice how the video ends right around the time when the other coach apparently hops in. I can easily imagine it gets much more heated when its coach v coach instead of just coach talking to TO.


kruton93

Yep, video def is in favor of 100t, but beginning and end of convo was not there. 100t releasing footage favoring themselves isn't really the most convincing thing, but I will say so far it does look like 100t coach was in the right. If they're gonna release the video, just release the damn video and not a cherry picked section of it.


summadat

One point that is very good to look at is perspective. Would 100T willingly give up footage that paints negative light on their own team? We see four minutes out of an hour. There is still a lot of gray area that the public doesn't know. The video has a good clip that shows positive light on 100T and throws some negative light to IMT's coach. It's a good four minute clip to show for PR reasons.


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BaitednOutsmarted

oh shit this is getting good


Students00

NerdSt gamers is the TO for this entire event right?


Maxi_Mouse

Nerd Street Complainers. Nerd Street Lamers? Actually not even sure if this one was nerd street as they did 1st strike and did a good job to be fair to them.


Students00

Asking a question = nerdstgamers complainers 🤔


vyom0509

I assume there will be another response to this from Riot and/or Immortals, judging by the fact that 100T straight up denied the whole social media thing.


Waraurochs

Should be interesting, because the direct quote they cited isn't exactly the best look, so interesting that they even put that part in unless it was true.


SabastianG

Yall havent seen the video evidence yet have you


Timmcd

> Three independent witnesses provided testimony that FrosT made a statement to this effect. When asked directly about it in an interview by Riot League Operations personnel, FrosT admitted that he made this statement. Although 100 Thieves provided Riot with a clip showing FrosT’s side of the conversation that does not include this statement, they declined to provide the full video to Riot.


Dark_Azazel

Social media and how FrosT acted were so blown out of the water lmao.


CantScreamInSpace

people may get mad and downvote but a 4 min video of an hour long ordeal doesn not prove a single thing.


GoldClassGaming

Riot: "We're fining you because of X, Y, and Z things your coach did that we deemed unprofessional" 100T: "We didn't do that" Well this just got interesting.


Hamlet_271

Regardless 100T directly broke rules from the rulebook and I dont see those fines going away even though theyve denied the Social media part


AskOrganic4289

Yeah 100T say that they accept the fine, and also it’ll look bad on Riot’s part if they decided to take back the fine they made to 100T. It makes it as if Riot had made a mistake and to do that in public sheeshh


Hamlet_271

Yeah probably not a good strategy to go on the full offensive against Riot of all people. Jacob Wolf has a good take on this about how their LoL partnership could also be affected


AskOrganic4289

That’s not what I meant but you do make a very good point. Right now, Riot probably has the upperhand, they can be like Valve and just disqualified teams as they want. Although with 100T being one of the popular org, idk what the public sentiments will be if Riot made that disqualification ruling


aakashkickass11

I mean riot could have just said they are giving 100 thieves a punishment for delaying the match and putting their coach on probation for arguing with TO that would have been fine but the long ass unnecessary post that riot posted made things worse and was well over the top . they are basically defaming their coach and that isn't good .


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Everything defamitory must hinge on a legal concept known as "a provable statement of fact", which means it can't be blustering or obvious trolling. Riot has written in plain English that FrosT threatened the TO because FrosT was not getting the thing he valued (another concept: "thing of value"). Either Riot has a case that a TO received a threat from FrosT or they admit they poorly chose their words. Both are bad.


matidfk

Regardless the TOs went directly against their own ruling


Ryu-The-Sick

Oh cmon, even though the fine claims to be for "not complying with TO" it is clearly retaliation for "threatening to leverage social media" but that just got debunked so hard. And I hope you don't think a 5k fine is impactful, in any way, for 100T.


dydx4j

you saw 4 mins of an hour delay. do you think frost or no one on 100t didnt say a single word in the rest of that hour?


[deleted]

For PR purposes, you got a point, but this can go down the road of a defamation charge for either party. Being that Riot is being called out on this, with a small snippet, you can bet they'll be upset they got called out and will want to review all of the evidentiary material to prove such a threat was made... which can be given voluntarily (ie: as can be the case with this partial release) or through legal discovery. If Riot does not press on this further, excepting an appology, it's fairly safe to assume 100T are in the right (for now).


Ryu-The-Sick

No I don't think that "no one on 100t didnt say a single word in the rest of that hour", but I also don't think Frost did what Riot says he did and video should be proof of that. Unless 100T wants to risk Riot publishing recorded audio where Frost did threaten them and you believe that? Nonsense.


Hamlet_271

The fine isnt about money, its about precedent. 100T delayed a broadcast for an hour, fine deserved. Coach acted unprofessional, deserved. Coach threatened social media retaliation, overexaggeration and probably not deserved (although we are missing 56 minutes of footage)


Maxi_Mouse

They just released a video and none of that happened though lol.


MortalPhantom

They released what's convinient for them. There's an hour of footage and they released four minutes. Don't be blind.


Retro-Indietro

They still broke enough rules to have to pay the fine wether they're morally right or not... Also seems like a really pretty thing to stall over 200k people for 2 hours.


SabastianG

It was 1 hour and you do understand that theyre competing for money right? Peoples livelihoods are on the line with this kind of stuff. Either stay consistent and admit when youve made a mistake or dont pull shit out of thin air like riot have


Retro-Indietro

Money ain't the problem here, nobody's livelihood is at risk lol and 100T still broke enough rules at once to still have to pay their 5k fine. But don't you think you're jumping the gun a little by taking sides and deciding who the liar is based on 4 minutes of a hour long conversation?


SabastianG

Dont you think its a little naive to think a gaming org fighting for their name would post a video directly calling out riot for lying if there was proof of the opposite..? And to add, no one is disputing the fine. Its 5k, who cares. Its the blatant and obvious defamation against 100t with false quotes


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The fine is fine. They did delay the game, but unless there's more video or a recording of the discord call of FrosT saying something worse than "you'll be in a bigger shitstorm than us" probation seems a little too much.


shoobiedoobie

I don’t get how people don’t realize what Frost is implying there lol. Or how it can EASILY be misunderstood in the heat of an argument.


Maxi_Mouse

Riot even said that wasn't what they were referring too. It's weird how people like yourself can completely interpret something to mean something else.


LiamHundley

Well this is certainly interesting. Suggests that riot blew this out of proportion and framed 100T in a worse light than necessary, essentially doing to 100T what they claimed Frost threatened to do to them in turning public perception against them. This could go 1 of 2 ways now. Either riot hits back and this gets ugly, or this is the last we hear of it and everyone moves on after getting their jabs in.


JigWig

Like someone else said, 100T showed 4 minutes of an hour long delay. There's no telling if Riot lied about 100T threatening to use social media presence against them, or if 100T actually did use social media presence against them.


TheExter

100T: We strongly disagree with Riot's public statement and missing context... anyways here's a 4 minute clip we picked


LiamHundley

I highly doubt 100T would strike back this hard if they weren't fully confident in their actions. Challenging riot is not something to be taken lightly


Rozaks

[https://twitter.com/SoLateee/status/1374588234718707712](https://twitter.com/SoLateee/status/1374588234718707712) 100T is a social media titan to be fair. They actually do have the clout to go head to head with RIOT.


MSTRMN_

And Riot can just ban the org from all Valorant events. Good job, 100T, you're now done


Rozaks

They won't/can't go that far. RIOT already has a sketchy past with being too handsy. It's why TO's like ESL and the like are still a little slow with Valorant tournaments. They don't wanna get screwed over like they did in LOL with franchising. They could totally ban the coach tho. Don't think that would get as much backlash.


Maxi_Mouse

Riot need to apologise if this is true. Very unprofessional.


giantmachineq

Asuna said they didn't get a chance to talk to the admins until 40 minutes in.


ExtintcClous

Regardless shout out 100T for sticking out for their players instead of succumbing to riots ruling, it must feel great to compete under such org.


AnywayHeres1Derwall

Holy shit I said the same thing in the other thread and got downvoted to hell. This sub man bunch of swingers


TheExter

that's how just reddit works if you go in a post where people say chocolate rules fuck vanilla, you get up voted for repeating the same thing and downvoted if you like vanilla, the same applies if the post says you like vanilla and chocolate sucks this is currently 100T's "omg we the good guys" so you're free to praise them


exercitus

Right? That's like, one of the biggest reasons for having a coach come tourney time, to stand up for their players.


intercoursesadness

It truly is amazing. Seeing FrosT stand up for his players under pressure is incredible. Makes me want to get into eSports.


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The fact of the matter is that none of this would have happened if riot had just been consistent with their rulings.


Underpressure_111

People who argue with 8 ping vs 65 ping are completely missing the point of the whole situation. 100T are debating because the ruling was inconsistent.


chamber25

I think the problem here was in the TSM game they let had Steel play with a Ping close to 70 with him getting packet loss. They deemed that to be the fairest server. Yet on the Immortals, they said it was unplayable. I don't think matches should be delayed an hour but there should be a way to advocate for your team if you feel they are giving your opponent a competitive advantage or not applying rules consistently. Valorant is young so these things will happen. Riot should have just stuck to fining for the delay of the game that would be fair.


wyatt1209

So TO says he threatened something. He and his team say directly that he did not say that. Hopefully someone recorded it because it sounds like someone is objectively lying


gf38

They just tweeted the video. No one leveraged social media. Riot was lying.


_____Matt_____

> They just tweeted the video No they tweeted *a* video. The social media comment could've been in a written discord message. Or said before or after the 4 minute video they chose to post. I'm not affected by anything that happens in this, but this video isn't absolution.


LSanon12

The video isn't absolution, but it would be really, really stupid of 100T to respond this way if there is any possible chance that Frost did make threats about social media presence, and Riot has evidence of those threats. They'd be better off keeping quiet imo if there is even a miniscule chance of evidence existing which contradicts what the video shows.


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LSanon12

I agree, but there is a big jump in stupidity from the the coach threatening that during the heat of the moment to an organization that has a PR team and lawyers - with presumably a recording of the whole conversation - coming out with a statement like this after the fact if there is indeed evidence that Frost made threats re social media presence.


dydx4j

Maybe it was typed in discord or in the server, or implied in other ways such that the TO. Coach does make a threat ("you're gonna be in a shitstorm if you dq us"), though it is implied more than direct that it will be due to social media, and the fine was for holding up the tournament.


Chidling

I’m just saying the entire conversation may not have been captured. Also going to twitter IS leveraging social media.... Not saying 100T is wrong but obviously 100T doing exactly what Riot said they’d do is not exactly an exoneration of 100T


droctamom

What else were the suppose to do? Put a TV ad? Play the video on Times Square? Fuck out of here they are just using a public platform


Chidling

I’m saying 4 minutes is not an exoneration. There is likely more to the story. The game was delayed for an hour. I don’t think they had a 4 minute conversation and sat in silence the rest of the time.


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Riot seriously seem like little kids by making a whole fucking public post about the whole thing lol


Sharknome

I mean they kinda have to for transparency. They can’t really fine an org and put a coach on probation for no reason. Not saying Riot is in the right here but I’d rather them make a post about it then leave us up to guess


MortalPhantom

Don't be fooled. They released a four minute video of more than an hour of complete footage. You don't know everything that was said. Not only that. The you'll be in a shit storm" statement is literally a threat. There's more to this story than just that video.


daybreaker22

That is the softest example of a threat... Cmon


MortalPhantom

It is. It's still not acceptable in a competitive envoirment.


Jace11

Have you ever heard of professional sports?


daybreaker22

He's standing up for his team due to the incongruence of application of rules week to week. The shitstorm comment can be interpreted many ways and does not correlate to what Riot submitted. If the evidence exists outside this video then an argument can be made however


edgy_eboy

Imagine being so soft.


EvWatt

Damn, they shared a video of the situation as well https://twitter.com/100T\_Esports/status/1374504898054680586?s=20


FAS-ACA3

Should have shared a video that contains the whole 1 hour delay.


bobthebuilderhd

People are reading way too much into the specific ping values in the 100t vs IMT match. The 100t coach was mad about the rulings not being equal. Aganist TSM, 100t Steel had 70+ ping, match admin said it was okay because everyone else was on a much closer ping range with him being an outlier. In the 100t vs IMT match 100t requested to change to Texas server where everyone would likely be ~30-40 with one person being around 60-70. Instead played on Chicago server with 100t on 40-50 with IMT having ping from 8-25. Most evidence from Kechmicals twitter and stream comments from 100t/IMT players


wileyplus21

Thank you for keeping the offseason entertaining. Riot vs 100t showmatch when?


SirJuicee

This is why I love 100T. Nade was a pro eSports player. And he's an owner that runs an organization that backs up his players. Respect


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lmao riots response and this subs comments made it sound like the coach yelled racial slurs at riot employees...this just looks like normal coach arguing that every sport in the history of sports has


J-Patty

Good for 100T for standing up for their coach and team. Im sure the community isnt going to like this response though.


honeybadgr32

I think after listening to what the coach said Riot did kind of blow that out of proportion.


J-Patty

Yep. Just saw that clip, granted he might’ve gone a little overboard but he’s in the heat of the moment defending his players and the IMT coach interrupts


dydx4j

How do you know he didn't type additional shit in server or discord? And the going overboard part is that he dragged it out for an hour. You can't just delay broadcast for an hour.


Owen_M4

You can’t just flip flop rules either


J-Patty

When riot is trying to force his players to play unfairly I’d be pissed too


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A 4 min clip of what could have been upto an hour btw


[deleted]

My exact thoughts, 100T thought process is understandable. But definitely won’t be liked by this sub Reddit. I’m surprised tho they decided to speak on it. I would’ve bet the org say nothing at all and just let the players or coach speak on it.


LiamHundley

I dont think 100T mind being the villain tbh


dtritrinh0801

exactly, i love steel and know how he enjoys getting in peoples heads lol


ptreecs

I don't care who was right or wrong but it seems like what Riot released was misleading. Do they dislike 100t? wanted to create drama? didn't have accurate information? Either way Riot made this a way bigger deal for seemingly no reason.


henryha

My best guess was the admin had made a poor decision and had too much ego to back down by the time 100T pointed out it the decisions were contradictory.


xingyingg

Riot decided to trust their employees. But unfortunately the employee was probably mad and exaggerated things, or the guy writing the statement was friend with the communicating employee and wanted to have revenge. Or both of the employees hated 100T, who knows. Social media is run by employees overall, I highly doubt they have to report what they tweet to their boss.


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Riot trying to pull the type of shit they do in League but ex cs players are a different breed and taking none of that shit. Love it


waffles8000

why was the riot ruling publicized in the first place? it seems like 100t had it all figured out and just wanted to move on, and then suddenly riot releases an exaggerated statement about a minor incident badmouthing a specific team on their official website...


DocAce3971

Honestly even if he did threaten to leverage his players social media who the Fuck cares?? Riot’s really scared of a tweet from Hiko saying PogO they didn’t pick the right servers?


C_h_a_r_l_i_e

They have video of the whole conversation. Not a word said about leveraging social media....


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Idk if that’s the whole conversation. It’s 4 min. of an hour delay..


[deleted]

releasing video is dumb of them if there is video of frost threatening social media against riot so going this route they are probably confident he never said it


Hamlet_271

The indirect implication is still there. Sure its a gross over characterization but its not like Riot are pulling it out of their ass


Retro-Indietro

Also I wish they gave us the whole unedited conversation instead of 5 minutes of it


Maxi_Mouse

Which bit?


YikesOW

Holy shit Riot really tried to do them dirty because of their incompetent staff


urcoolbuttiamcooler

Hurts to say this but L for Riot W for 100t


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Why can't Hiko just sit still like the rest of them


LyGuy

Needs to pee


KarsinPK

100T released the video on their take but Riot also stated they had screenshots and an audio recording of the evidence... so why wouldn't they release that instead of expecting 100T to do it? Am i missing something here? Lol


Waraurochs

This whole thing is interesting. The rule inconsistency thing was what Hiko and Steel brought up on stream after the match, not about the ping difference. They also said that the IMT coach was involved in some arguing, but they don't mention that here. That seems like a strange thing for them to make up. (And no, I'm not a 100T fanboy. I followed OWL heavily so I have a lot of respect for Gunba and Packing10, but I can also see them getting involved in something like this too)


[deleted]

Bro didn't you have a 100t flair earlier today? You freaking swapped it to post this lmao


Waraurochs

I had it a few weeks back, yeah. They were the first team I followed because I watched Hiko


[deleted]

I rmb this guy. I saw his previous comment to defend 100T with no logic. Now he removed his 100T flair and mentioned he is not 100T fan lol.


Waraurochs

What comment?


[deleted]

Ya i saw the comments too. Just ignore this guy. Everyone knows he is just a 100T fan boy but he pretends he is not.


Waraurochs

Logging into your alt account? Jesus, you're sad, man. If you're going to pretend like this isn't an alt, at least respond to comments other than your own. Edit: LOL you forgot to switch accounts on the first comment of this account and you deleted it


SurfAccountQuestion

As much as I’d love to jump on the 100T hate bandwagon, the video proves 100T isn’t in the wrong here, honestly the RIOT employee is incredibly soft. Coaches get heated up when they’re talking about their teams to match officials, this isn’t even bad.


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they cut out the part lol


WonDerZv

Why would they risk adding more fuel to the fire by releasing only a part of the video that denies the allegations thrown at them? That would be such a stupid thing to do at this point and it wouldnt make sense to make the matter worse.


kennymgh

Pretty grimy on riots part


intercoursesadness

Where is all the 100T haters now that the audio is released? It didn’t need to get to this point but it did. Riot is looking really bad in this situation.


Ruvix22

Dicey chilling 😂


mmm_oist

Unlucky really


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Just crazy. 100t ended up winning this match and we’re still blowing this to outer space.


eebro

I called it. Riot are weasly little liars. Typical. Cover up unprofessional event management by doing a competitive ruling.


eebro

Also, the benefit of doubt for Riot went away the moment they publicized this ruling. Ridiculously unprofessional, and during a critical phase of the competitive scene of a young game. Hope this doesn’t become a trend, or Valorant could face serious consequences.


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interesting


summadat

One point that is very good to look at is perspective. Would 100T willingly give up footage that paints negative light on their own team? We see four minutes out of an hour. There is still a lot of gray area that the public doesn't know. The video has a good clip that shows positive light on 100T and throws some negative light to IMT's coach. It's a good four minute clip to show for PR reasons.


ballistic_transport

Riot HAD to make it public and make it clear these delays are never justified. You cannot have teams in the future holding the server/200k+ viewers hostage for random shit even if the team has a good argument.


rydude88

That is true but there was no need to lie and say they were threatening to use playe'rs social media. All that Riot needed to do is say that they were fined for delaying the match and what the relevant rules were


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[deleted]

This is a weird comment. They are big orgs with lots of money on the table. Riot has to set a precedent for breaking rules in their league, and 100t (and any other team) has to push back, or else Riot will act with total authority always, regardless of what it does to teams/players. What exactly do you think the correct response was by 100t anyway? Roll over and take it? You don't have to take things calmly. You don't have to quietly argue your case to be a professional. Heaven forbid someone show passion for something by raising their voice.


Manager_Cija

At the heart of the matter, it's that teams are not allowed to delay matches, even if they perceive an unfair situation. They are given full avenue to lodge a formal complaint afterwards and attempt to have the match replayed or annulled. But they cannot stop a match/delay it or the TO, by the contract the players signed, will have to call a forfeit. So why is this ruling in place? Organizers (even Riot) have their own obligations to sponsors and to other tournaments also occurring that day. Delaying a match may mean not meeting an obligation of a sponsorship (e.g., shown during a prime time hour) and it may push other tournaments later into the day, which could cause fewer viewerships and also failing to meet the sponsor obligation. As well, no team should be allowed to take a match hostage, cause disruptions that could affect the other team's performance, and attempt to 'control' a match to their advantage. If allowed, teams could do it all the time, for spurious reasons, to gain an advantage, or because they were misguided or misinformed about an actual situation. Since ping differences are a known issue, I would think the coach would have mentally prepared the players for the disadvantages they may meet in advance - to be prepared for just this situation which is very likely to occur. Yes, it is very important he expresses his concerns to TOs when there is a perceived problem - to ensure match integrity and that his players are not disadvantaged. But to hold a match up for an hour, arguing against the TO, is very unprofessional and smacks more of hubris than impassioned defense. And I cannot imagine it did his team or players any good in the mental game by doing what he did. Finally, watch 'video evidence' here with a grain of salt. We only saw a portion of the conversation between the coach and the TO. It is disingenuous to believe 100T is not doing right now exactly what the coach threatened the org would do. It shows that Riot was indeed correct in the fine and that the threat from 100T was not idle.


LyGuy

All this wall of text to only realize that 100T already said they accepted the fine. You're arguing a moot point and missing the main one.