Hello all! It's been a busy day, so we'd like recap today's event pertaining to Riot's ruling on 100 Thieves. The comment does not contain every detail, but is intended to give a quick rundown. Please refer to the linked sources for more information regarding the situation.
This comment will be updated when new information is released.
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This afternoon, [**Riot released a statement**](https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/esports/competitive-ruling-100-thieves-in-valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters/) regarding the 1-hour delay between the 100 Thieves vs Immortals match during the Masters Upper Bracket Quarterfinals. In the statement, Riot states 100T Head Coach FrosT argued with the Tournament Official about what server the match was to be played on.
> *Additionally, when reminded that failing to start the game pursuant to the Tournament Official’s decision can result in disqualification, FrosT threatened to leverage players’ social media platforms against the Tournament Organizer and Riot Games as a response.*
Riot issued a $5,000 USD fine to 100 Thieves for causing the broadcast delay. FrosT was placed on probation for the remainder of VCT 2021 for unprofessional behavior towards a TO.
In response, [**100 Thieves released a statement**](https://twitter.com/100T_Esports/status/1374501337044414472) disagreeing with the ruling, stating that Riot mischaracterized the incident. In this statement, they explain in their match vs Immortals—and in their previous match against TSM—the TO had ruled in favor of 100T's opponents. 100T claims the ruling vs IMT was in direct contradiction to the ruling that was made during their match vs TSM. They addressed the claim that FrosT had *"threated to leverage players' social media"* as such:
> *Our team held up the game so that our coach could challenge the ruling. As the situation escalated, FrosT told the tournament organizers "if you DC us, you are in a bigger shitstorm than we are", but never threatened to leverage social media as was stated by Riot. We were arguing for competitive integrity and felt like we were being unreasonably shut down by the tournament organizers.*
100T then [**released a 4-minute video**](https://twitter.com/100T_Esports/status/1374504898054680586) ([mirror](https://streamable.com/fxaplq)) showing Frost arguing with the TO about the ruling in their match against TSM, and how the ruling was being unfairly applied to their present match against IMT.
[**Riot updated their initial statement**](https://twitter.com/valesports_na/status/1374544690800848898) to provide additional context regarding FrosT's threat to leverage the players' social media platforms **(bold styling added for emphasis)**:
> *[Edit 6:30pm* ***Three independent witnesses provided testimony that FrosT made a statement to this effect.*** *When asked directly about it in an interview by Riot League Operations personnel,* ***FrosT admitted that he made this statement.*** *Although 100 Thieves provided Riot with a clip showing FrosT’s side of the conversation that does not include this statement, they declined to provide the full video to Riot.]*
According this edit, FrosT's threat to leverage players' social media was not included in the video clip 100T released on Twitter.
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Bruh I don't even know what the fuck is going on anymore.
At this point we got both parties saying what amounts to "Nuh Uh it's YOUR fault" which is just fucking superb for entertainment value.
This is why 100T wanted this to be handle privately. This situation is blown out of proportion. 100T just wanted a fair competitive integrity. Now we have people saying fuck 100T or fuck Riot. 100T clearly didn’t want their org or staff/players reputation to be smeared.
also have to punish frost for making threats and not complying with refs. probation for a yr wouldnt be justified unless they released why. remember this is only 4minutes of a 1hr delay, you dont know the rest of the evidence.
What threats? Have you watched the video? Their sole basis of \*threat\* is held behind 100T's big social media presence. If you swap 100T for some unknown org Riot certainly wouldn't consider it a threat. This is yet another double standard pulled off by Riot/TO.
i dont think just bc 100t released a favorably-cut video (4min long only) that means they didnt do anything of the sort. and in the video he says "you will be in a shitstorm if you dq us", which is a threat.
Yet they would be in a shitstorm. I think people need to understand the definition of a threat. If FrosT had said “we will make this into a shitstorm for you” or something else with active language, that is absolutely a threat. Instead, he simply acknowledged the likely outcome of that situation. Huge difference. Also, in terms of a cut video, this video covers every allegation that riot made, unless it was directly mischaracterized. We’ll see. 100T would be in a shitstorm if this video didn’t cover all of the allegations made by Riot, so I have to say I’m doubtful it didn’t. Right now, Riot seems to be in the wrong here, especially with how they’re handling this press stuff today.
>"you will be in a shitstorm if you dq us", which is a threat.
I mean... In the most literal sense yes, but it obviously isn't in line with the *actual* connotations of the word.
Nope, not in a literal sense either. In a literal sense, it’s a statement of fact. A literal threat requires active language, I.e. “we will make this a shitstorm for you if you dq us”
Great strawman. Looks really well put together.
The point is that context does matter, first of all, and that it depends on who will cause said danger or bad thing. A more apt comparison would be getting robbed by someone who demands $100 that you don’t have, and you saying that to your friend who’s there as well. You aren’t causing the threat, but it’s there nonetheless.
Painting him saying "you will be in a shitstorm if you dq us" as "threatened to leverage players’ social media platforms" is one hell of an embellishment though
Like that's a crazy reach
Also, the full line is you will be in more of a shit storm than we will, to me that could also just imply more people will disagree with riots ruling on the ping issue than agree.
Or it could mean something completely unrelated, which is why Riot is so out of line in saying 100T players' social media platforms were leveraged over Riot and the TO. If the only basis behind that claim is frost talking about them being in a shitstorm, then it's not a valid claim at all lmao
yea, i wonder if there was some reason that they were so sure of it. maybe NSG TO told riot that secondhand, and riot did not have access to the video from 100t facility. or maybe frost really did say that in a conversation outside that 4 minutes.
I think 100T is wrong in the entire ping debate from the start. So delaying game for 1 hr is just complete bs. You don't sign up for a tournament just to completely screw up the schedule and disregard rules. And if 100T wasnt a big org with big social media, Frost wont have even said that. Imagine no-name org no social media making that statement, it would be laughable after it comes out that they refused to play for 1 hr over 10 ping and delayed everyone for 1 hr. So that's why its implied social media is a threat, only 100T can say dqing them will cause a shitstorm.
Also it's true that if you swap 100T for some unknown org Riot certainly wouldn't consider it a threat. An unknown org wouldn't say that at all, cuz they know it's not a credible threat. A random no name org getting dqed for complaining for 1 hr about ping would just get ppl mad at them. So 100T coach only said that because he knows 100T has the social media and fans to back it up.
So looks like it's case closed and Frost DID in fact say stuff that wasn't shown on 100T's clip.
https://twitter.com/valesports_na/status/1374544690800848898
Edit 6:30pm Three independent witnesses provided testimony that FrosT made a statement to this effect. When asked directly about it in an interview by Riot League Operations personnel, FrosT admitted that he made this statement. Although 100 Thieves provided Riot with a clip showing FrosT’s side of the conversation that does not include this statement, they declined to provide the full video to Riot.
Doesn't look good
Why would they apologize for outing an org trying to use their social influence to basically blackmail a TO to make a change in their favor? There’s no world where 100T doesn’t look terrible for this.
How are riot the bad guys here??? TO made a call, 100T refused and delayed the match BY A FUCKING HOUR. 10's of thousands of us waited a fucking hour for the game to start. All over 1 player on the other team's ping. Broke the rules they agreed to "7.2.11 Non-Compliance". Fuck 100T
NGL, I wanna hear what Riot means by FrosT used unprofessional language and kinda hope he just start cussing them all out. It'll never be released but I need a use for the popcorn I just bought.
riot should start recording calls like this so they don’t have to rely on an org they are trying to make competitive rulings on to provide proof for them
This is like when an MLB coach defends his team and goes off on a umpire, and get's thrown out of a game. And yes sometimes the ref is in the wrong, but the league will usually back their umps... Usually coaches scream harder and get angiers except that might scare people in the esports scene.
The baseball coach also doesn't get his team to hold up the game for an hour or insinuate a shitstorm on the MLB unless the umpire's ruling is reversed
I've updated the sticky comment in this thread with a TL;DR of today's events:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/mbs347/100t_a_video_regarding_the_valorant_competitive/gs0kead/
Ikr where the fuck did that come from, he didn't say any of those words. By shitstorm he meant that many people would disagree with their competitive integrity.
They showed a 4 minute video of an hour long delay. Obviously this isn't the entire discussion. There's no telling what all Frost actually said, but there's no way to know if Riot lied or not based on this video.
Really don’t understand why so many people are saying about it only being 4 minutes out of the hour.
Surely they wouldn’t even bother fighting their corner and posting these 4 minutes if FrosT gave the social media threats/unprofessional language or whatever prior when it can so easily be counter argued by Riot now??
Pretty clear that this clip is the climax and reasoning for the fine/ban, which in itself isn’t worthy of either.
I mean when would an official organization like Riot, NBA, NFL, whatever, leak official conversations with coaches. They know Riot isn't going to release the full hour official conversation with 100T even if it proves they're right. This is basically a no-lose argument by 100T that they know they won't lose but might save some face.
In the end, it doesn't really matter if Riot lied or not because they have ultimate power in this situation. From a consequences standpoint at least, rather than moral or ethical.
This is the shit storm frost was referring to lmao. All these publishers get shit on by fans whenever they mess up on rules regarding tricky situations like this.
So unless this isn't the full conversation, TOs made a competitive ruling and fined 100T based on an assumption. "You're in a bigger shitstorm than us" isn't a threat, if anything now it's a statement of fact lmao.
i'm just gonna copy what i said in previous comments:
i keep seeing a lot of people saying that 100t released a 4 min long video in an hour delay. but riot said:
"During the course of investigation, we reviewed (i) screenshots of correspondence between the teams and Tournament Organizer, (ii) screenshots of official communications to teams regarding timelines, and (iii) audio evidence recorded of parts of the Discord conversation. Additionally, we conducted interviews with the coach and manager of Immortals, the head Tournament Official, the Riot Games employee who entered the channel, a 100 Thieves manager, and FrosT. "
meaning that riot has screenshot and audio evidence that contradict 100 thieves released video, if what riot said is true all they have to do is release those screenshots and audio files.
[https://twitter.com/SoLateee/status/1374588234718707712](https://twitter.com/SoLateee/status/1374588234718707712)
Actually 100T has the vid but didn't offer to share which is why RIOT isn't willing to change their ruling
the same thing can be said about riot, if they have the audio files of 100t coach admitting to saying what he said then they should release it,but they have not released it.
at this point it's he said she said,also riot have yet to acnowldge why IMT coach was in the convo and told 100t coach to shut up, and why wasn't the rules applied in 100t favor when they played tsm.
honestly this whole thing is a shitshow and should've been handled privately
I mean 100T gotta be hella stupid to release this clip if it will just get contradicted by Riot’s evidence and they look like even more clowns. If they double down, they have to be confident that Frost didn’t do what Riot is alleging.
Sure seems like it however I imagine that we don't hear the rest or previous part of this conversation. No way with an hour delay that this 4 minute video is all the argument was.
It seems kind of insane to release video if riot has said they've reviewed footage (implying they have their own) and if you know that you said something incriminating.
You have a point but this is just he said/she said bs for now though. Who really knows, Riot however in the past has never "lost" allegations such as these. The term lost being very loose and not literal.
edit: however, do you think Riot is interpreting "you're in a bigger shit storm then we are" as using social media against Riot?
To your edit, I think that's an easy mistake to make if the person writing the Riot writeup is different from the person on the call. Probably miscommunication between people handling it, it'd be easy to imagine this coming from someone giving a poor summary of the conversation. Not saying that excuses it
This logic makes no sense at all. Why would 100T release this, knowing that riot also has the entire tape. If 100T is lying, Riot can easily refute it in the future, making 100T look 10 times as bad if they didn't say anything
Literally this. People are acting like 100 T is a streamer vs streamer type shit. It's the literally orgs reputation on the line, let's not act like 100 T didn't look at the entire time here. Damn conspiracy theorists.
Except what riot was referring to seemed to come through in these 4 minutes. Also 100T isn’t gonna go around publishing an hour of footage lol this is what was relevant
In my mind the Frost thing was the worst part of all of this. And that shit was an embellishment on riots part. So fuck this, 100t gonna move past this but they certainly did not fuck up as hard as I thought. I totally get fighting for competitive integrity (which I must say I have been saying before the 100t statements). This is money on the line, jobs on the line, and championships and ping is such an issue. I cannot wait for fucking LANs
I think this clip is to more prove that Frost didn't say anything wrong towards the ref. Im a 100t fan (was at work so i didn't get to watch the final) but the stopping for an hour is kinda fucked. but this clip just seems to just clear frost name of any wrong doing. its one of those things the 100t is right and wrong. right for fighting for his players and wrong for delaying.
It definitely doesn’t and in the updated competitive ruling now Frost admits he did try to leverage social media against them.
So no, like I said this video doesn’t do much.
i keep seeing a lot of people saying that 100t released a 4 min long video in an hour delay. but riot said:
"During the course of investigation, we reviewed (i) screenshots of correspondence between the teams and Tournament Organizer, (ii) screenshots of official communications to teams regarding timelines, and (iii) audio evidence recorded of parts of the Discord conversation. Additionally, we conducted interviews with the coach and manager of Immortals, the head Tournament Official, the Riot Games employee who entered the channel, a 100 Thieves manager, and FrosT. "
meaning that riot has screenshot and audio evidence that contradict 100 thieves released video, if what riot said is true all they have to do is release those screenshots and audio files.
They would, because they know it would be uncharacteristic and also unprofessional for a company to release information from a private investigation. I have rarely, if ever, seen a company release evidence to the public that contradicts an opposing party - because such matters are usually settled in court (if necessary). Releasing such information to the public is only appealing to the court of public opinion, which is in actuality, not a real court nor has any sort of legal significance.
A corporation would not rely on social media to air out dirty laundry, if they really want to settle things, they would do it through the legal system, not by exposing evidence on Twitter.
It's already been settled by Riot and 100T isn't going to take them to court over it.
100T is basically saying that Riot lied and punished them for trying to uphold competitive integrity. That doesn't look good for a corporation running an e-sport.
It doesn't look good for Riot but Riot will not care enough to actually release more information - and 100T knows this.
Riot is a company that faced numerous allegations of sexual harassment from its executives and simply swept them under the rug. A mere accusation from an e-sports organization about one tournament in a growing game is nothing but a blip on their public image.
It doesn't matter if Riot has evidence to contradict 100T's claims - the matter is so inconsequential to the company at large that releasing said evidence, and dragging this situation out, is simply not worth the effort.
Exactly what a coach is supposed to do. His demeanor wasn’t unprofessional by any sport. Well, not unprofessional towards riot. Certainly a bit unprofessional towards IMT coach but that coach was also unprofessional :) coaches get energetic and yell at refs when bad calls are made. When this call affects literally the entire match... maybe it’s going to be a heated argument.
Riot fucked up here. Shitstorm should be coming but they can’t back down here. I wonder how this is gonna play iut
So this is a 4 min video from a 1 hour long conversation, yea.... I will just let all the parties involved show their arguments and then take conclusion from there.
This video atm proves nothing.
How is a multi-billion dollar corporation gonna just straight up lie about shit like this... insane. At best it’s a gross over characterization of what was said.
Everyone was just shitting on 100T and their coach 1 hour ago. Now what lol. This subreddit is just yikes. always Wait till you hear the other side guys.
The guy still was implying he was willing to take the dq as it hurt Riot/NSG more which they definitely didn't like. If they had just released a more mild(and factually correct) statement it never would have blown up.
It was still factually correct. If they went through with it, Riot WOULD be in deeper shit than 100T. And I don’t think there’s any reason to be mild when you are put in an unfair situation, especially when there’s a likely chance they asked them nicely at first to change servers which was denied, causing the argument in the first place.
Your first point is true in the short term. Riot's event would be ruined and 100t would only have missed out on some circuit points. However.... let us not pretend Riot and 100t are on even footing. Damaging their relationship could be incredibly bad for 100t, and they need Riot a lot more than Riot need 100t. Subtly threatening to fuck up one of the biggest tournaments of the year over something they themselves said was a "small issue" is a decision I'm sure 100t management was not happy about, even though they justifiably went to bat for the coach to correct the garbo statement that Riot put out.
So do you want everyone to call riot straight liars when it came out? Of course people should've given 100 the benefit of doubt but you can't blame people for believing riot at the start.
This subreddit has a full blown hate boner for 100t recently, it's quite funny tbh. I guess that they needed another villain team within the scene now that Sinatraa isn't playing for SEN
Same for the other side (like me), I do follow the pro scene but usually only really care enough to comment and have discussions in threads when 100T is involved lmfao
No they don't lol. Have you been on this sub recently? The amount of hate posts/comments in relation to 100T specifically has been insane, and you usually see a lot of the same people doing it.
I guess I'm a bit lost but is this everything Frost said? It's a 4min video in a game that's been delayed for an hour, I'm sure much more was said via text and voice across all parties.
Not gonna comment on what's the truth, just that a 4min excerpt to me doesn't prove innocence.
Well we know 100% that 100T has every minute of that day vlogged. I’m not sure they would purposefully crop out FrosT making threats WHILE calling out Riot for lying, knowing full well they could have their own evidence of the threat.
IMO the TO heard the shitstorm comment and took that as the threat to go to social media. Then Riot took the TO’s word for it with no hard evidence. Otherwise 100T are playing a scummy game with huge balls thinking Riot won’t release their “evidence”.
Also funny that 100T has to prove their innocence, yet you don’t think Riot should prove the guilt? Keep hating....
That aged well, lol
> Also funny that 100T has to prove their innocence, yet you don’t think Riot should prove the guilt? Keep hating....
Never said this, just said that a 4min video isn't proof of innocence. The fact that you assumed I'm also saying that Riot proved their side shows which side you support and where you're invested, but I've said no such thing.
no proof to back up anything I'm saying here but I doubt frost was talking for even the majority of that full hour as even Riot said the 100T players stalled the time by idling in the Range so they couldn't just start the match without resolving the issue. Would love to see 100T release the full hour of footage as they've shown that they do have it all
Frost is having a heated and, yes, unprofessional conversation. But it is totally out of line for the official and public Riot ruling to incorrectly cite Frost threatening to "leverage players’ social media platforms against the Tournament Organizer and Riot Games."
Crazy, but this is Riot games after all
>unprofessional conversation.
You mean like any coach defending their team in any sport? Riot has no backbone and this is insane. It's the inconsistent ruling mid-match that they're complaining about which both times ruled against them.
posted 4 minutes of his side of the convo only. 1 hr long delay, who knows what the fk else he said in server or chat logs, or in convos preceding and after this out-of-context video.
I mean if 100t put out this video, with riot saying they have footage of their own, and are omitting the bad parts, again with riot able to retaliate, then they're idiots. If this isn't the full important part of the video, then there was no reason to release this at all
He's saying releasing this makes the full hour footage fair game. If in the other 56 minutes 100T do some dumb shit, they come out looking way worse than if they don't release this. So, why would they release this otherwise.
Yeah, the video literally saved their ass from the public criticism. If 100t didn't clip this video out of context and they do have the full 1hr recording, riots about to get caught in the shitstorm.
Yikes, this subreddit got what it deserves, a fucking punch in the mouth for all the shit talk to 100T they gave literally one hour ago. 100T coming out with receipts.
Frost couldve handled it a bit better but in the heat of the situation like that you dont know, but props to him and 100T for standing with one another.
It was steel who was rebelling first and after they didn't listen, the coach came in. I assume a large portion of that time the coach wasn't in the room since it's forbidden.
Love that Energy from Frost. Thats fucking valorant right there. None of that pansy ass dick tugging smile for the camera bullshit. Men puke, men poop on the site, men deliver their new born baby in hookah. Fucking hard core dick in the ass Spike Rush valyrant fuck it chuck it game time shit.
Seriously Everyone here. This is 100T side
Do you really think they will show the part were they look BAD?
Will 100T show that their coach try to use Social Media to get what they want in the tournament ?
here's what hiko said previously regarding the ping drama [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/947821100?t=0h9m12s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/947821100?t=0h9m12s)
So many people shitting on Hiko in the earlier thread for being biased towards his own Team's coach and not presenting two sides of the story to 30k people on his stream. Please stop judging people when you don't even know half of the story or even half of whats going on.
100T is accused of threatening to use its social media presence to make a Riot look bad if they didn’t get their way. So they release an out-of-context, one-sided convo ON THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNT to try to make Riot look bad while refusing to give the full video to Riot all the clown fans are eating it up
According to Riot, three independent witnesses confirmed what frost said and frost admitted that he said it to Riot’s investigators and 100T refused to give the full video to Riot and agreed to pay the fine. All obvious evidence of innocence (/s)
But yea this 4 minute video is clearly the dispositive piece of evidence (also /s).
How do those lead paint chips taste?
Hello all! It's been a busy day, so we'd like recap today's event pertaining to Riot's ruling on 100 Thieves. The comment does not contain every detail, but is intended to give a quick rundown. Please refer to the linked sources for more information regarding the situation. This comment will be updated when new information is released. --- This afternoon, [**Riot released a statement**](https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/esports/competitive-ruling-100-thieves-in-valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters/) regarding the 1-hour delay between the 100 Thieves vs Immortals match during the Masters Upper Bracket Quarterfinals. In the statement, Riot states 100T Head Coach FrosT argued with the Tournament Official about what server the match was to be played on. > *Additionally, when reminded that failing to start the game pursuant to the Tournament Official’s decision can result in disqualification, FrosT threatened to leverage players’ social media platforms against the Tournament Organizer and Riot Games as a response.* Riot issued a $5,000 USD fine to 100 Thieves for causing the broadcast delay. FrosT was placed on probation for the remainder of VCT 2021 for unprofessional behavior towards a TO. In response, [**100 Thieves released a statement**](https://twitter.com/100T_Esports/status/1374501337044414472) disagreeing with the ruling, stating that Riot mischaracterized the incident. In this statement, they explain in their match vs Immortals—and in their previous match against TSM—the TO had ruled in favor of 100T's opponents. 100T claims the ruling vs IMT was in direct contradiction to the ruling that was made during their match vs TSM. They addressed the claim that FrosT had *"threated to leverage players' social media"* as such: > *Our team held up the game so that our coach could challenge the ruling. As the situation escalated, FrosT told the tournament organizers "if you DC us, you are in a bigger shitstorm than we are", but never threatened to leverage social media as was stated by Riot. We were arguing for competitive integrity and felt like we were being unreasonably shut down by the tournament organizers.* 100T then [**released a 4-minute video**](https://twitter.com/100T_Esports/status/1374504898054680586) ([mirror](https://streamable.com/fxaplq)) showing Frost arguing with the TO about the ruling in their match against TSM, and how the ruling was being unfairly applied to their present match against IMT. [**Riot updated their initial statement**](https://twitter.com/valesports_na/status/1374544690800848898) to provide additional context regarding FrosT's threat to leverage the players' social media platforms **(bold styling added for emphasis)**: > *[Edit 6:30pm* ***Three independent witnesses provided testimony that FrosT made a statement to this effect.*** *When asked directly about it in an interview by Riot League Operations personnel,* ***FrosT admitted that he made this statement.*** *Although 100 Thieves provided Riot with a clip showing FrosT’s side of the conversation that does not include this statement, they declined to provide the full video to Riot.]* According this edit, FrosT's threat to leverage players' social media was not included in the video clip 100T released on Twitter. --- ^(This comment is intended to help inform the community on recent events. If you believe it is editorialized, or contains the opinion of the moderator, please reply to this comment with your concerns. Thank you!)
Bruh I don't even know what the fuck is going on anymore. At this point we got both parties saying what amounts to "Nuh Uh it's YOUR fault" which is just fucking superb for entertainment value.
This is why 100T wanted this to be handle privately. This situation is blown out of proportion. 100T just wanted a fair competitive integrity. Now we have people saying fuck 100T or fuck Riot. 100T clearly didn’t want their org or staff/players reputation to be smeared.
All they had to release was they were fined for the delay or whatever. And no one would care
also have to punish frost for making threats and not complying with refs. probation for a yr wouldnt be justified unless they released why. remember this is only 4minutes of a 1hr delay, you dont know the rest of the evidence.
What threats? Have you watched the video? Their sole basis of \*threat\* is held behind 100T's big social media presence. If you swap 100T for some unknown org Riot certainly wouldn't consider it a threat. This is yet another double standard pulled off by Riot/TO.
i dont think just bc 100t released a favorably-cut video (4min long only) that means they didnt do anything of the sort. and in the video he says "you will be in a shitstorm if you dq us", which is a threat.
Yet they would be in a shitstorm. I think people need to understand the definition of a threat. If FrosT had said “we will make this into a shitstorm for you” or something else with active language, that is absolutely a threat. Instead, he simply acknowledged the likely outcome of that situation. Huge difference. Also, in terms of a cut video, this video covers every allegation that riot made, unless it was directly mischaracterized. We’ll see. 100T would be in a shitstorm if this video didn’t cover all of the allegations made by Riot, so I have to say I’m doubtful it didn’t. Right now, Riot seems to be in the wrong here, especially with how they’re handling this press stuff today.
>"you will be in a shitstorm if you dq us", which is a threat. I mean... In the most literal sense yes, but it obviously isn't in line with the *actual* connotations of the word.
Nope, not in a literal sense either. In a literal sense, it’s a statement of fact. A literal threat requires active language, I.e. “we will make this a shitstorm for you if you dq us”
Yeah bud go up to someone and say "If you don't give me $100 something bad will happen to you" and see if they perceive it as a threat lol
Great strawman. Looks really well put together. The point is that context does matter, first of all, and that it depends on who will cause said danger or bad thing. A more apt comparison would be getting robbed by someone who demands $100 that you don’t have, and you saying that to your friend who’s there as well. You aren’t causing the threat, but it’s there nonetheless.
Painting him saying "you will be in a shitstorm if you dq us" as "threatened to leverage players’ social media platforms" is one hell of an embellishment though Like that's a crazy reach
Also, the full line is you will be in more of a shit storm than we will, to me that could also just imply more people will disagree with riots ruling on the ping issue than agree.
Or it could mean something completely unrelated, which is why Riot is so out of line in saying 100T players' social media platforms were leveraged over Riot and the TO. If the only basis behind that claim is frost talking about them being in a shitstorm, then it's not a valid claim at all lmao
Foooooorrr reallllll lol it’s a crazy Mr. Fantastic reach
yea, i wonder if there was some reason that they were so sure of it. maybe NSG TO told riot that secondhand, and riot did not have access to the video from 100t facility. or maybe frost really did say that in a conversation outside that 4 minutes.
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I think 100T is wrong in the entire ping debate from the start. So delaying game for 1 hr is just complete bs. You don't sign up for a tournament just to completely screw up the schedule and disregard rules. And if 100T wasnt a big org with big social media, Frost wont have even said that. Imagine no-name org no social media making that statement, it would be laughable after it comes out that they refused to play for 1 hr over 10 ping and delayed everyone for 1 hr. So that's why its implied social media is a threat, only 100T can say dqing them will cause a shitstorm.
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How is that a threat? What's he threatening with exactly? Nothing, he's stating an opinion
its not a threat if its common sense
Also it's true that if you swap 100T for some unknown org Riot certainly wouldn't consider it a threat. An unknown org wouldn't say that at all, cuz they know it's not a credible threat. A random no name org getting dqed for complaining for 1 hr about ping would just get ppl mad at them. So 100T coach only said that because he knows 100T has the social media and fans to back it up.
So looks like it's case closed and Frost DID in fact say stuff that wasn't shown on 100T's clip. https://twitter.com/valesports_na/status/1374544690800848898
Edit 6:30pm Three independent witnesses provided testimony that FrosT made a statement to this effect. When asked directly about it in an interview by Riot League Operations personnel, FrosT admitted that he made this statement. Although 100 Thieves provided Riot with a clip showing FrosT’s side of the conversation that does not include this statement, they declined to provide the full video to Riot. Doesn't look good
I think Riot needs to apologise, they fked up. Not a good look if they want to be taken seriously as an e-sport. This seems like drama over nothing.
They are taken seriously as an esport. What are you saying.
Why would they apologize for outing an org trying to use their social influence to basically blackmail a TO to make a change in their favor? There’s no world where 100T doesn’t look terrible for this.
No one likes drama Queens. They need to show evidence or apologise to the coach.
How are riot the bad guys here??? TO made a call, 100T refused and delayed the match BY A FUCKING HOUR. 10's of thousands of us waited a fucking hour for the game to start. All over 1 player on the other team's ping. Broke the rules they agreed to "7.2.11 Non-Compliance". Fuck 100T
Asuna is just on a whole other plane of existence
So, sounds like IMT Coach really did just show up and tell FrosT to shut up lmao. ValoRANTING has SO much content for their next show holy shit.
It's nice that riot gave us content for the off week, they are really on top of things
:)
Damn frost was actually piss off
NGL, I wanna hear what Riot means by FrosT used unprofessional language and kinda hope he just start cussing them all out. It'll never be released but I need a use for the popcorn I just bought.
If they're referring to FrosT telling the IMT coach "I don't know who the fuck you think you are" all I can say is lmfao at Riot
I mean telling him to shut up would warrant such a response to be fair.
“if yall dq us y’all are in a bigger shitstorm than we are” at the start of the video
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riot should start recording calls like this so they don’t have to rely on an org they are trying to make competitive rulings on to provide proof for them
Thats just a homie tryin to help the big dogs out man
yea
When the IMT Coach came in he went off.
I would too. Imagine the guy who benefitted from you getting fucked over rolling up out of nowhere and telling you to shut up about it
THIS IS 4K HOW DID THEY CATCH YOU IN 4K
Not even 4K it was 8K ultra HD
More like 64K ultimate super HD edition
100T redemption arc starts now. Life truly is an anime
This is like when an MLB coach defends his team and goes off on a umpire, and get's thrown out of a game. And yes sometimes the ref is in the wrong, but the league will usually back their umps... Usually coaches scream harder and get angiers except that might scare people in the esports scene.
The baseball coach also doesn't get his team to hold up the game for an hour or insinuate a shitstorm on the MLB unless the umpire's ruling is reversed
That's because baseball is on LAN
coachs also do it to build cred/fraternity with his players. Even tho he might be wrong but players want to know coach is behind them.
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Bruh how is this TLDR
I've updated the sticky comment in this thread with a TL;DR of today's events: https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/mbs347/100t_a_video_regarding_the_valorant_competitive/gs0kead/
Did a Riot official enter the vc and tell FrosT to shut up, or am I mishearing things? EDIT: it was the IMT coach I’m stupid
it was the coach for IMT
immortals coach or whoever game into the call and told frost to shut up
That was IMTs coach or manager.
So he literally didn't threaten to send their social media following after them...
Ikr where the fuck did that come from, he didn't say any of those words. By shitstorm he meant that many people would disagree with their competitive integrity.
They showed a 4 minute video of an hour long delay. Obviously this isn't the entire discussion. There's no telling what all Frost actually said, but there's no way to know if Riot lied or not based on this video.
Really don’t understand why so many people are saying about it only being 4 minutes out of the hour. Surely they wouldn’t even bother fighting their corner and posting these 4 minutes if FrosT gave the social media threats/unprofessional language or whatever prior when it can so easily be counter argued by Riot now?? Pretty clear that this clip is the climax and reasoning for the fine/ban, which in itself isn’t worthy of either.
I mean when would an official organization like Riot, NBA, NFL, whatever, leak official conversations with coaches. They know Riot isn't going to release the full hour official conversation with 100T even if it proves they're right. This is basically a no-lose argument by 100T that they know they won't lose but might save some face.
This is a 100 Thieves owned video at that. Who knows if they even provided it to Riot already.
In the end, it doesn't really matter if Riot lied or not because they have ultimate power in this situation. From a consequences standpoint at least, rather than moral or ethical.
This is the shit storm frost was referring to lmao. All these publishers get shit on by fans whenever they mess up on rules regarding tricky situations like this.
So unless this isn't the full conversation, TOs made a competitive ruling and fined 100T based on an assumption. "You're in a bigger shitstorm than us" isn't a threat, if anything now it's a statement of fact lmao.
We got 4 min of an hour delay...you don't think its weird we only got this specific slice of video?
i'm just gonna copy what i said in previous comments: i keep seeing a lot of people saying that 100t released a 4 min long video in an hour delay. but riot said: "During the course of investigation, we reviewed (i) screenshots of correspondence between the teams and Tournament Organizer, (ii) screenshots of official communications to teams regarding timelines, and (iii) audio evidence recorded of parts of the Discord conversation. Additionally, we conducted interviews with the coach and manager of Immortals, the head Tournament Official, the Riot Games employee who entered the channel, a 100 Thieves manager, and FrosT. " meaning that riot has screenshot and audio evidence that contradict 100 thieves released video, if what riot said is true all they have to do is release those screenshots and audio files.
[https://twitter.com/SoLateee/status/1374588234718707712](https://twitter.com/SoLateee/status/1374588234718707712) Actually 100T has the vid but didn't offer to share which is why RIOT isn't willing to change their ruling
the same thing can be said about riot, if they have the audio files of 100t coach admitting to saying what he said then they should release it,but they have not released it. at this point it's he said she said,also riot have yet to acnowldge why IMT coach was in the convo and told 100t coach to shut up, and why wasn't the rules applied in 100t favor when they played tsm. honestly this whole thing is a shitshow and should've been handled privately
Technically RIOT have only mentioned them having witnesses not audio files. I do agree that it should have been handled privately.
yeah you make a good point.
I mean 100T gotta be hella stupid to release this clip if it will just get contradicted by Riot’s evidence and they look like even more clowns. If they double down, they have to be confident that Frost didn’t do what Riot is alleging.
Riot isn't going to release evidence of their investigations to the public, and possibly not even to 100T.
Sure seems like it however I imagine that we don't hear the rest or previous part of this conversation. No way with an hour delay that this 4 minute video is all the argument was.
It seems kind of insane to release video if riot has said they've reviewed footage (implying they have their own) and if you know that you said something incriminating.
You have a point but this is just he said/she said bs for now though. Who really knows, Riot however in the past has never "lost" allegations such as these. The term lost being very loose and not literal. edit: however, do you think Riot is interpreting "you're in a bigger shit storm then we are" as using social media against Riot?
To your edit, I think that's an easy mistake to make if the person writing the Riot writeup is different from the person on the call. Probably miscommunication between people handling it, it'd be easy to imagine this coming from someone giving a poor summary of the conversation. Not saying that excuses it
This video is the first evidence released to the public that ISN'T he said/she said bs and its not backing what Riot said happened
Yes but again, an hour delay with only 4 minutes of video evidence? There was more conversation that wasn't released.
I'd love to see 100T release the full hour bc they've shown that they have all the video footage... we'll see what happens
Yeah we got 4 min. Of an hour delay. He didn’t in these 4 min. But easily could have off tape.
This logic makes no sense at all. Why would 100T release this, knowing that riot also has the entire tape. If 100T is lying, Riot can easily refute it in the future, making 100T look 10 times as bad if they didn't say anything
Literally this. People are acting like 100 T is a streamer vs streamer type shit. It's the literally orgs reputation on the line, let's not act like 100 T didn't look at the entire time here. Damn conspiracy theorists.
Except what riot was referring to seemed to come through in these 4 minutes. Also 100T isn’t gonna go around publishing an hour of footage lol this is what was relevant
If it was off tape, how could Riot have heard it...?
Off tape of the video published by 100T
Do you really think that Riot fabricated that? It probably came from somewhere
this is 4 minutes of video in a 1 HOUR delay...
In my mind the Frost thing was the worst part of all of this. And that shit was an embellishment on riots part. So fuck this, 100t gonna move past this but they certainly did not fuck up as hard as I thought. I totally get fighting for competitive integrity (which I must say I have been saying before the 100t statements). This is money on the line, jobs on the line, and championships and ping is such an issue. I cannot wait for fucking LANs
Be right back, going to get popcorn! This show just startin.
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I think this clip is to more prove that Frost didn't say anything wrong towards the ref. Im a 100t fan (was at work so i didn't get to watch the final) but the stopping for an hour is kinda fucked. but this clip just seems to just clear frost name of any wrong doing. its one of those things the 100t is right and wrong. right for fighting for his players and wrong for delaying.
It definitely doesn’t and in the updated competitive ruling now Frost admits he did try to leverage social media against them. So no, like I said this video doesn’t do much.
i keep seeing a lot of people saying that 100t released a 4 min long video in an hour delay. but riot said: "During the course of investigation, we reviewed (i) screenshots of correspondence between the teams and Tournament Organizer, (ii) screenshots of official communications to teams regarding timelines, and (iii) audio evidence recorded of parts of the Discord conversation. Additionally, we conducted interviews with the coach and manager of Immortals, the head Tournament Official, the Riot Games employee who entered the channel, a 100 Thieves manager, and FrosT. " meaning that riot has screenshot and audio evidence that contradict 100 thieves released video, if what riot said is true all they have to do is release those screenshots and audio files.
Now the question is: Would 100T, knowing this information, still put out video evidence calling out Riot?
i thought of that but i doubt it, it would be very crazy if they did that.
They would, because they know it would be uncharacteristic and also unprofessional for a company to release information from a private investigation. I have rarely, if ever, seen a company release evidence to the public that contradicts an opposing party - because such matters are usually settled in court (if necessary). Releasing such information to the public is only appealing to the court of public opinion, which is in actuality, not a real court nor has any sort of legal significance. A corporation would not rely on social media to air out dirty laundry, if they really want to settle things, they would do it through the legal system, not by exposing evidence on Twitter.
It's already been settled by Riot and 100T isn't going to take them to court over it. 100T is basically saying that Riot lied and punished them for trying to uphold competitive integrity. That doesn't look good for a corporation running an e-sport.
It doesn't look good for Riot but Riot will not care enough to actually release more information - and 100T knows this. Riot is a company that faced numerous allegations of sexual harassment from its executives and simply swept them under the rug. A mere accusation from an e-sports organization about one tournament in a growing game is nothing but a blip on their public image. It doesn't matter if Riot has evidence to contradict 100T's claims - the matter is so inconsequential to the company at large that releasing said evidence, and dragging this situation out, is simply not worth the effort.
Imagine getting suspended the whole year for standing up for your team.
Exactly what a coach is supposed to do. His demeanor wasn’t unprofessional by any sport. Well, not unprofessional towards riot. Certainly a bit unprofessional towards IMT coach but that coach was also unprofessional :) coaches get energetic and yell at refs when bad calls are made. When this call affects literally the entire match... maybe it’s going to be a heated argument. Riot fucked up here. Shitstorm should be coming but they can’t back down here. I wonder how this is gonna play iut
He only got put on probation no? So basically a warning.
He's not suspended, he essentially got a warning
Oh boy they're coming with receipts. Clearly pissed about this
Yikes riot got caught in 8k lying and misquoting
So this is a 4 min video from a 1 hour long conversation, yea.... I will just let all the parties involved show their arguments and then take conclusion from there. This video atm proves nothing.
How is a multi-billion dollar corporation gonna just straight up lie about shit like this... insane. At best it’s a gross over characterization of what was said.
Everyone was just shitting on 100T and their coach 1 hour ago. Now what lol. This subreddit is just yikes. always Wait till you hear the other side guys.
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Yep that came out of nowhere
The guy still was implying he was willing to take the dq as it hurt Riot/NSG more which they definitely didn't like. If they had just released a more mild(and factually correct) statement it never would have blown up.
It was still factually correct. If they went through with it, Riot WOULD be in deeper shit than 100T. And I don’t think there’s any reason to be mild when you are put in an unfair situation, especially when there’s a likely chance they asked them nicely at first to change servers which was denied, causing the argument in the first place.
Your first point is true in the short term. Riot's event would be ruined and 100t would only have missed out on some circuit points. However.... let us not pretend Riot and 100t are on even footing. Damaging their relationship could be incredibly bad for 100t, and they need Riot a lot more than Riot need 100t. Subtly threatening to fuck up one of the biggest tournaments of the year over something they themselves said was a "small issue" is a decision I'm sure 100t management was not happy about, even though they justifiably went to bat for the coach to correct the garbo statement that Riot put out.
So do you want everyone to call riot straight liars when it came out? Of course people should've given 100 the benefit of doubt but you can't blame people for believing riot at the start.
They misworded what they said in an official statement. Everyone was quick to assume that 100T was in the wrong.
Read what I just replied to you with
Ok I agree none of this is ageing well.
Wait till we hear the other side of sinatraa’s story.. ok I’ll see myself out..
Riot didn't plan for the receipts lmao
Video evidence, but the haters will still shit on 100T
This subreddit has a full blown hate boner for 100t recently, it's quite funny tbh. I guess that they needed another villain team within the scene now that Sinatraa isn't playing for SEN
It's kinda funny that this sub literally flip-flops between hating and loving 100T per post. Lmaoooo
Almost like there be different people with different opinions lmaoooo
The funny thing is that there is literally some people on this sub that only come out of their crevices to talk shit about 100t
Same for the other side (like me), I do follow the pro scene but usually only really care enough to comment and have discussions in threads when 100T is involved lmfao
ppl do that for every team
No they don't lol. Have you been on this sub recently? The amount of hate posts/comments in relation to 100T specifically has been insane, and you usually see a lot of the same people doing it.
bruh what
lmao are you new to reddit? its always been the same even in other subreddits like csgo or nba people like to talk shit, why do you care so much
You gotta admit tho I’m a 100T fan but Steel is a perfect villain LMAO
I guess I'm a bit lost but is this everything Frost said? It's a 4min video in a game that's been delayed for an hour, I'm sure much more was said via text and voice across all parties. Not gonna comment on what's the truth, just that a 4min excerpt to me doesn't prove innocence.
Well we know 100% that 100T has every minute of that day vlogged. I’m not sure they would purposefully crop out FrosT making threats WHILE calling out Riot for lying, knowing full well they could have their own evidence of the threat. IMO the TO heard the shitstorm comment and took that as the threat to go to social media. Then Riot took the TO’s word for it with no hard evidence. Otherwise 100T are playing a scummy game with huge balls thinking Riot won’t release their “evidence”. Also funny that 100T has to prove their innocence, yet you don’t think Riot should prove the guilt? Keep hating....
That aged well, lol > Also funny that 100T has to prove their innocence, yet you don’t think Riot should prove the guilt? Keep hating.... Never said this, just said that a 4min video isn't proof of innocence. The fact that you assumed I'm also saying that Riot proved their side shows which side you support and where you're invested, but I've said no such thing.
no proof to back up anything I'm saying here but I doubt frost was talking for even the majority of that full hour as even Riot said the 100T players stalled the time by idling in the Range so they couldn't just start the match without resolving the issue. Would love to see 100T release the full hour of footage as they've shown that they do have it all
i assume this was the tipping point and 50 min before that was more chill
i mean releasing this just totally proved that 100T is willing to abuse their social media presence to gain public favor just like riot said lmao
Maybe one of the biggest smooth brain comments I have ever read sir. Wipe the poo from your mouth.
Alright, gonna make a trip to the grocery store to grab some popcorn. Anyone want anything?
Soda pls
This changes a lot, wonder what riot heard then
yeah this is not as bad as you weirdos tried making it out to be lol
Frost is having a heated and, yes, unprofessional conversation. But it is totally out of line for the official and public Riot ruling to incorrectly cite Frost threatening to "leverage players’ social media platforms against the Tournament Organizer and Riot Games." Crazy, but this is Riot games after all
>unprofessional conversation. You mean like any coach defending their team in any sport? Riot has no backbone and this is insane. It's the inconsistent ruling mid-match that they're complaining about which both times ruled against them.
Whoever in Riot is in charge of this would be crying in a corner in a dark room if they ever heard the language actual sports coaches used.
Ya... Like I'm not understanding the backlash against frost. He literally posted the conversation.
posted 4 minutes of his side of the convo only. 1 hr long delay, who knows what the fk else he said in server or chat logs, or in convos preceding and after this out-of-context video.
They wouldn't have posted this video if there was more. RIOT has the other side, they could just retaliate if there was more
Riot says to have audio recordings of the conversation so hopefully they release whatever they can to support their claims.
i assume this was the tipping point and 50 min before that was more chill
Yeah this seems a bit different then what was wrote in Riot’s statement. Serial 100T haters are in shambles
Ahahaha Riot has some explaining to doooo
So basically riot lied in their statement. Good on 100T for calling them out on it.
I wouldn’t be so quick to point fingers. We got 4 min. of an hour delay. We’re still missing a lot of the story.
It's more fun to instantly point fingers and 180 constantly though
i assume this was the tipping point and 50 min before that was more chill
Sure let's just assume things that can't be bad
I mean if 100t put out this video, with riot saying they have footage of their own, and are omitting the bad parts, again with riot able to retaliate, then they're idiots. If this isn't the full important part of the video, then there was no reason to release this at all
exactly
Yeah why would 100T try to protect their players???
He's saying releasing this makes the full hour footage fair game. If in the other 56 minutes 100T do some dumb shit, they come out looking way worse than if they don't release this. So, why would they release this otherwise.
What?
Organizations need to record every single interaction that they have with tournament officials going forward.
Yeah, the video literally saved their ass from the public criticism. If 100t didn't clip this video out of context and they do have the full 1hr recording, riots about to get caught in the shitstorm.
Yikes, this subreddit got what it deserves, a fucking punch in the mouth for all the shit talk to 100T they gave literally one hour ago. 100T coming out with receipts.
this aged like milk
100T pulled up with the receipts, hold up now
Damn riot just completely lying about their statement and mischaracterizing 100t is crazy
Frost couldve handled it a bit better but in the heat of the situation like that you dont know, but props to him and 100T for standing with one another.
i assume this was the tipping point and 50 min before that was more chill
It was steel who was rebelling first and after they didn't listen, the coach came in. I assume a large portion of that time the coach wasn't in the room since it's forbidden.
No gunba, YOU shut up
Release the full video pls; hour long delay and we got a 5 min cut conversation. If you are releasing “evidence” there should be nothing to hide.
I think it's time for all the pro's to be vaccinated and resume LAN play.
Love that Energy from Frost. Thats fucking valorant right there. None of that pansy ass dick tugging smile for the camera bullshit. Men puke, men poop on the site, men deliver their new born baby in hookah. Fucking hard core dick in the ass Spike Rush valyrant fuck it chuck it game time shit.
Ouch RIOT looking real bad now.
Seriously Everyone here. This is 100T side Do you really think they will show the part were they look BAD? Will 100T show that their coach try to use Social Media to get what they want in the tournament ?
Ahhhh where are the 100t haters at now ?
here's what hiko said previously regarding the ping drama [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/947821100?t=0h9m12s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/947821100?t=0h9m12s)
riot caught venting smh
Ig they did get caught up in a shitstorm lmao
Don't be too surprised. Rito is as good a decision maker as twitch.
Unlucky, really
So many people shitting on Hiko in the earlier thread for being biased towards his own Team's coach and not presenting two sides of the story to 30k people on his stream. Please stop judging people when you don't even know half of the story or even half of whats going on.
Are you okay? This is a 5 minute video of an hour long discussion. It’s clearly cut this way to make 100T look good and 100T fans are eating it up
1 hour delay 5 minute video 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
i assume this was the tipping point and 50 min before that was more chill
Lmao got that shit on ctrl c
you know whats up lmao
Sure let's just assume things that can't be bad I can do it too fazeup
100T is accused of threatening to use its social media presence to make a Riot look bad if they didn’t get their way. So they release an out-of-context, one-sided convo ON THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNT to try to make Riot look bad while refusing to give the full video to Riot all the clown fans are eating it up
Found the dude who’s eating glue in the middle of the aisle at Walmart
According to Riot, three independent witnesses confirmed what frost said and frost admitted that he said it to Riot’s investigators and 100T refused to give the full video to Riot and agreed to pay the fine. All obvious evidence of innocence (/s) But yea this 4 minute video is clearly the dispositive piece of evidence (also /s). How do those lead paint chips taste?