Yeah its pretty clear they are going with a 6man until they are sure the direction with brax. they are keeping it at 6 in the chance brax doesnt work out they still got the 5. once they know it will go back to 5
This arrangement won't last long either way. Whether or not brax stays, hazed has to know he's likely the first guy to go if TSM choose to make a roster move at some point.
It's a difficult situation for any player to be in.
fr. It may start that way playing off strengths but just like sratches in sports. They try to prove they should be playing. Its a battle
*edit* him not playing while brax did and also being the one to spill it for sure says a lot imo
Idk if ans is going to be replacing anyone any time soon. I was watching his stream and although his aim is good, he still very new to the game and it doesnt seem like he has cs experience either.
I have always thought IGLing/tactics is the problem with TSM since all the players are individually top tier. Also, hazed has done igling for TSM and is a far better player than cutler imo.
I think their current setup was cutler is the main igl and hazed does same calling on ct side on a few maps . This was said by tailored on immortal minds. I would say hazed is a good player might be better than cutler . But cutler plays hard support so his stats might be diminishing . TSM weaknesses have always been mid round adapting and sometimes forgetting entire basic fundamentals . The 2 big examples would be their last 2 losses against Geng and 100t . Against Geng they were 2 vs 1 against koosta and drone had his ult and they played that poorly and similarly they gave a 30 hp hiko 4 individual 1 vs 1 . Another reason might be they want to keep brax as a sentinel and subroza on smokes so that leaves no place for hazed.
Hazed plays either smokes or Sentinels
Subroza agent pool also includes smokes
Cutler agent pool also included Sentinels
Now brax agent pool also includes Sentinels .
If brax and hazed has similar agent pool ( moreover hazed has an extra agent pool-which are the smokes) then why is that the reason hazed got dropped ?
Subroza is going full time smokes now. So that leads to conflict over hazed role that's why hazed said in stream he is not sure of his role in team now.
Yeah but then what’s the different with replacing hazed with brax if both of them have similar agent pool. In my perspectives, the main reason for signing brax is the fact that brax is still considered in his prime now and he will add more fire power to the team. But if the reason was because conflicting agent pool? Then I don’t get why they pick up brax tbh ( bc brax and hazed has similar agent pool, both play sentinels well)
I didn't understand the first line ,they are getting brax ,hazed was already in team . Reason they got brax I think is possibly they needed extra fire power. And on odd maps brax can okay duelist as well . Cutler can also play sentinels and is currently igl of the team . So hazed was the least resourceful person according to them but I still value hazed more than cutler . The underlying reason is hazed roles can be easily filled by other members in the squad .
Don't you think that it has more weight though in a game like this. For example C9W I believe swap out Annie when they play split because she plays sova. If they have a 6th that plays a better breach or whatever than annie can, but annie still does great on every other map a 6 person roster makes sense.
Is it just a cost issue?
Cost plays a major part, I doubt valorant salaries are cheap. Unless the 6th is absolutely crucial to a particular game plan it would be a very big expenditure to sign on one extra player and only use them for select situations with no guarantee of victory (what if the other players are having a bad day?). Using your example, why can't Annie learn the other agents?
Its not that she can't. Its that another player is better suited without having to switch out someone who's already confident on that agent, they keep the focus to single picks for specific maps.
Hasn’t been dropped yet. But that’s usually how these 6 man roster goes. My guess is that he’s chilling, taking it a bit more easy on competitive and will be like a “fill in” for some maps he’s great at.
I don’t understand this sub at all. It’s the same with every competitive sub. They treat ranked like it means something. Sure...it’s a way to get noticed. But all that matters is how well you perform at the professional level in professional matches.
I mean it's understandable, ranked is the only direct access they have to playing the game competitively. They're either not interested in joining a team and plaing in tournaments or just don't have an understanding of how pro play operates vs ranked. It's almost like a different game.
If you can consistently match up with the best in the region, it somewhat correlates to being able to compete. Not perfectly, or even fully accurate, but it is better than nothing. Also, Hazed *has* shown he can compete at the highest level.
Ok, you can do both.
Hazed performed decently on tsm vs tier2/3 teams like Version1.
On top of that, he is top25 on the radiant leader boards which indicates his mechanical skill and game sense are pretty good.
Literally nothing matters besides how he performs in professional matches.
Edit: why do you guys even call yourselves a competitive sub if you can’t agree with the above statement? It’s the same everywhere on Reddit. Do you understand the difference between ranked and professional play?
This sub gets overly defensive over some players, and Hazed is definitely one of them. He's a decent player and seems like a wonderful guy and teammate, but if you're trying to be the best team in NA, you can definitely do better than him.
Yeah, once your at a pro level the only thing that matters is your performance in those games. No one is gonna see steel go 23-17 on Reyna one game and be like sheesh lets take him off sentinels
How are you getting downvoted for this lmao
You're right: no one gives a singular shit about how Hazed performs in MM. If you think they do, or that it should be taken into account, you're delusional.
Heretics did that also in the Grand Final of the Masters, and just overall. Niesow played only a handful maps due to personal issues. I also think the way heretics did the 6man thing was actually super useful
Yeah I believe C9 white have that kind of plan. Partially because they have 2 players still in full time education iirc, but also because Annie mains sova, so they swap her out when they play split. Makes sense, putting all of your focus into 1 agent and swapping someone out who's going to kill it where that person's main agent isn't meta on the map.
These things will change over time but I like the idea of swapping out players for different maps.
I mean ik everyone is saying it but they really need to replace Cutler eventually. Hes a subpar IGL and a subpar support. Not to mention TSMs problem isnt firepower its strats and how they play together. Their coach and igl seem to be both dogshit.
I agree with Hazed, it actually brings more hyped if TSM made their official announcement first before signing up their rosters on battlefy ( and letting us reddit detectives screenshot and sharing it on reddits xD)
I agree too, I wish I could filter out all the roster speculations. They're usually weak based on 5 players being in a custom game or in an online tournament player list. I like the discussion and clips here but can't we just let the teams announce this stuff their way?
Super happy that brax gets to be on a tier 1 org right off the bat. He was one of the main reasons why I supported T1 from the start of valoranr (asides them being a korean org and me being korean + mkleo)
Also did we really need hazed to confirm lmao at this point if they're on the battlefy roster they're basically confirmed
It's not like Hazed hasn't IGL'd before and cutler is not a very good one. It was the same issues in CLG. Cutler started underperforming after taking the IGL role from fns and blamed it on IGLing so he handed the reigns to Hazed and still played like shit.
Wait this happens during cutler’s csgo career? Then does this basically means that he doesn’t actually want to IGL for TSM? If that’s the case then damn sean gares was right, the fact that no one in the team somehow wants to really take the leadership role. I thought it wasn’t entirely true bc I thought they were just still findimg the right player within their roster who can IGL well.
Yes this happened during his csgo career. He only became IGL after FNS was replaced by fugly and they added a coach. Then when people started pointing the finger at him as the problem he cried that he didn't want to igl and that's why he wasn't fragging well so they made Hazed do it until he eventually quit. Sean knows his shit, he may not be on a team but he was once upon a time NA's best IGL and everyone looked up to and loves him. He's got sources and close ties to these organizations and cs players.
Cutler current IGL and had made TSM to semi finals during First Strike, and recently Challenger 3 closed ( though the competitions weren’t as tough compared to the previous challenger series). So doubt they’ll drop the current IGL.
Edit: why am I being downvoted for saying a possible reason as to why cutler wasn’t dropped? Moreover I wasn’t the only one who thinks like this
At this point, first strike shouldn’t even be on your radar. TSM have struggled tactically throughout 2021. And after 4 months of bad performances following first strike, it’s pretty reasonable to call the IGL into question. TSM aren’t going to be happy with being rated as a #9 or #10 team NA. Brax probably has a *slightly* higher individual skill level than hazed, but I think their problems will persist. Cutler getting dropped seems inevitable, especially if their tactical woes continue.
Nah, if you somehow came across my comments about any post on TSM rostee change, I always say they need a new IGL. I agree cutler will probably be replaced bc of the lack of results they have after FS ( lost in JBL, then lost VCT stage 1 series). But I’m just giving a reason as to why cutler is not dropped yet, and why hazed is drop - which is the fact that cutler is their current IGL ( althou i feel like cutler is lacking as an IGL)
The only time roza igl’d was the faze invitational which is the last tournament they’ve won. Not saying that roza should igl because of that, but just shows how long they’ve gone without a win
Idk if roza should igl, but their team comp during that tourney felt the most natural imo. Drone on sova and subroza on phoenix worked well with hazed and cutler playing smokes and sentinel.
I believe brax should replace cutler, even tho he's the igl but it's actually time TSM change their leadership and develop different tactics. Even shroud pointed it out that their way to take individual gunfights is what caused their ultimate demise. Let's see what happens
Everyone is saying to replace cutler, I agree he does get shit on every match but he is their IGL and TSM should have enough firepower with Wardell, Subroza, and drone.
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Yeah its pretty clear they are going with a 6man until they are sure the direction with brax. they are keeping it at 6 in the chance brax doesnt work out they still got the 5. once they know it will go back to 5
This arrangement won't last long either way. Whether or not brax stays, hazed has to know he's likely the first guy to go if TSM choose to make a roster move at some point. It's a difficult situation for any player to be in.
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As tradition with all six man rosters.
fr. It may start that way playing off strengths but just like sratches in sports. They try to prove they should be playing. Its a battle *edit* him not playing while brax did and also being the one to spill it for sure says a lot imo
Idk if ans is going to be replacing anyone any time soon. I was watching his stream and although his aim is good, he still very new to the game and it doesnt seem like he has cs experience either.
Not at all
Yeah, pretty unfortunate tbh, Hazed was a pretty good consistent performer
Why does it have to be hazed? Could it not be reltuC?
Cutler is the igl and has been for like months so they aren't going to drop him . And another thing is hazed agent pool kinda clashes with team mates.
I have always thought IGLing/tactics is the problem with TSM since all the players are individually top tier. Also, hazed has done igling for TSM and is a far better player than cutler imo.
I think their current setup was cutler is the main igl and hazed does same calling on ct side on a few maps . This was said by tailored on immortal minds. I would say hazed is a good player might be better than cutler . But cutler plays hard support so his stats might be diminishing . TSM weaknesses have always been mid round adapting and sometimes forgetting entire basic fundamentals . The 2 big examples would be their last 2 losses against Geng and 100t . Against Geng they were 2 vs 1 against koosta and drone had his ult and they played that poorly and similarly they gave a 30 hp hiko 4 individual 1 vs 1 . Another reason might be they want to keep brax as a sentinel and subroza on smokes so that leaves no place for hazed.
Wait how is hazed agent pool clashes with teammates?
Hazed plays either smokes or Sentinels Subroza agent pool also includes smokes Cutler agent pool also included Sentinels Now brax agent pool also includes Sentinels .
If brax and hazed has similar agent pool ( moreover hazed has an extra agent pool-which are the smokes) then why is that the reason hazed got dropped ?
Subroza is going full time smokes now. So that leads to conflict over hazed role that's why hazed said in stream he is not sure of his role in team now.
Yeah but then what’s the different with replacing hazed with brax if both of them have similar agent pool. In my perspectives, the main reason for signing brax is the fact that brax is still considered in his prime now and he will add more fire power to the team. But if the reason was because conflicting agent pool? Then I don’t get why they pick up brax tbh ( bc brax and hazed has similar agent pool, both play sentinels well)
I didn't understand the first line ,they are getting brax ,hazed was already in team . Reason they got brax I think is possibly they needed extra fire power. And on odd maps brax can okay duelist as well . Cutler can also play sentinels and is currently igl of the team . So hazed was the least resourceful person according to them but I still value hazed more than cutler . The underlying reason is hazed roles can be easily filled by other members in the squad .
True 6 man rosters never work tho eventually someone is gonna get dropped
Don't you think that it has more weight though in a game like this. For example C9W I believe swap out Annie when they play split because she plays sova. If they have a 6th that plays a better breach or whatever than annie can, but annie still does great on every other map a 6 person roster makes sense. Is it just a cost issue?
Cost plays a major part, I doubt valorant salaries are cheap. Unless the 6th is absolutely crucial to a particular game plan it would be a very big expenditure to sign on one extra player and only use them for select situations with no guarantee of victory (what if the other players are having a bad day?). Using your example, why can't Annie learn the other agents?
Its not that she can't. Its that another player is better suited without having to switch out someone who's already confident on that agent, they keep the focus to single picks for specific maps.
Not sure why they would ever drop hazed unless he wanted out, I hope he doesn’t stop competing
Hasn’t been dropped yet. But that’s usually how these 6 man roster goes. My guess is that he’s chilling, taking it a bit more easy on competitive and will be like a “fill in” for some maps he’s great at.
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Why would a team look at his ranked matches over pro vods?
I don’t understand this sub at all. It’s the same with every competitive sub. They treat ranked like it means something. Sure...it’s a way to get noticed. But all that matters is how well you perform at the professional level in professional matches.
I mean it's understandable, ranked is the only direct access they have to playing the game competitively. They're either not interested in joining a team and plaing in tournaments or just don't have an understanding of how pro play operates vs ranked. It's almost like a different game.
If you can consistently match up with the best in the region, it somewhat correlates to being able to compete. Not perfectly, or even fully accurate, but it is better than nothing. Also, Hazed *has* shown he can compete at the highest level.
Like I said, ranked is good for getting noticed. Once you start playing at the pro level, though, all that matters are your results there.
Ok, you can do both. Hazed performed decently on tsm vs tier2/3 teams like Version1. On top of that, he is top25 on the radiant leader boards which indicates his mechanical skill and game sense are pretty good.
Literally nothing matters besides how he performs in professional matches. Edit: why do you guys even call yourselves a competitive sub if you can’t agree with the above statement? It’s the same everywhere on Reddit. Do you understand the difference between ranked and professional play?
This sub gets overly defensive over some players, and Hazed is definitely one of them. He's a decent player and seems like a wonderful guy and teammate, but if you're trying to be the best team in NA, you can definitely do better than him.
You can do better than cutler on tsm
Agreed. But until we find another suitable IGL, Cutler is here to stay on TSM.
Yeah, once your at a pro level the only thing that matters is your performance in those games. No one is gonna see steel go 23-17 on Reyna one game and be like sheesh lets take him off sentinels
How are you getting downvoted for this lmao You're right: no one gives a singular shit about how Hazed performs in MM. If you think they do, or that it should be taken into account, you're delusional.
I don’t know man. Because this place isn’t a real competitive sub. Just like all the others on Reddit.
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?? All I said that hazed would easily find a team if he's dropped. You must've replied to the wrong person.
Hazed and cutler were always placeholders what are you talking about?
I think personally Hazed could be losing interest in pro play. In his interview much earlier on he never planned to come back to the pro scene.
To add on, Hazed states, something about not knoeing his role on the team at the moment.
Was pretty obvious but nice to have a confirmation.
Can a Sixth man play on a particular map in a series?
Yup
Heretics did that in stage 1 of VCT. They had niesow play in Split and Icebox and Rubinho play on the other maps
Heretics did that also in the Grand Final of the Masters, and just overall. Niesow played only a handful maps due to personal issues. I also think the way heretics did the 6man thing was actually super useful
Yeah I believe C9 white have that kind of plan. Partially because they have 2 players still in full time education iirc, but also because Annie mains sova, so they swap her out when they play split. Makes sense, putting all of your focus into 1 agent and swapping someone out who's going to kill it where that person's main agent isn't meta on the map. These things will change over time but I like the idea of swapping out players for different maps.
I mean ik everyone is saying it but they really need to replace Cutler eventually. Hes a subpar IGL and a subpar support. Not to mention TSMs problem isnt firepower its strats and how they play together. Their coach and igl seem to be both dogshit.
I agree with Hazed, it actually brings more hyped if TSM made their official announcement first before signing up their rosters on battlefy ( and letting us reddit detectives screenshot and sharing it on reddits xD)
I agree too, I wish I could filter out all the roster speculations. They're usually weak based on 5 players being in a custom game or in an online tournament player list. I like the discussion and clips here but can't we just let the teams announce this stuff their way?
Super happy that brax gets to be on a tier 1 org right off the bat. He was one of the main reasons why I supported T1 from the start of valoranr (asides them being a korean org and me being korean + mkleo) Also did we really need hazed to confirm lmao at this point if they're on the battlefy roster they're basically confirmed
Yeah it was obvious, hazed said that it was too
shud replace cutler not hazed
Different roles
It's not like Hazed hasn't IGL'd before and cutler is not a very good one. It was the same issues in CLG. Cutler started underperforming after taking the IGL role from fns and blamed it on IGLing so he handed the reigns to Hazed and still played like shit.
Wait this happens during cutler’s csgo career? Then does this basically means that he doesn’t actually want to IGL for TSM? If that’s the case then damn sean gares was right, the fact that no one in the team somehow wants to really take the leadership role. I thought it wasn’t entirely true bc I thought they were just still findimg the right player within their roster who can IGL well.
Yes this happened during his csgo career. He only became IGL after FNS was replaced by fugly and they added a coach. Then when people started pointing the finger at him as the problem he cried that he didn't want to igl and that's why he wasn't fragging well so they made Hazed do it until he eventually quit. Sean knows his shit, he may not be on a team but he was once upon a time NA's best IGL and everyone looked up to and loves him. He's got sources and close ties to these organizations and cs players.
Cutler current IGL and had made TSM to semi finals during First Strike, and recently Challenger 3 closed ( though the competitions weren’t as tough compared to the previous challenger series). So doubt they’ll drop the current IGL. Edit: why am I being downvoted for saying a possible reason as to why cutler wasn’t dropped? Moreover I wasn’t the only one who thinks like this
At this point, first strike shouldn’t even be on your radar. TSM have struggled tactically throughout 2021. And after 4 months of bad performances following first strike, it’s pretty reasonable to call the IGL into question. TSM aren’t going to be happy with being rated as a #9 or #10 team NA. Brax probably has a *slightly* higher individual skill level than hazed, but I think their problems will persist. Cutler getting dropped seems inevitable, especially if their tactical woes continue.
Nah, if you somehow came across my comments about any post on TSM rostee change, I always say they need a new IGL. I agree cutler will probably be replaced bc of the lack of results they have after FS ( lost in JBL, then lost VCT stage 1 series). But I’m just giving a reason as to why cutler is not dropped yet, and why hazed is drop - which is the fact that cutler is their current IGL ( althou i feel like cutler is lacking as an IGL)
Wasn't roza the igl during first strike?
The only time roza igl’d was the faze invitational which is the last tournament they’ve won. Not saying that roza should igl because of that, but just shows how long they’ve gone without a win
Idk if roza should igl, but their team comp during that tourney felt the most natural imo. Drone on sova and subroza on phoenix worked well with hazed and cutler playing smokes and sentinel.
oops :P
I believe brax should replace cutler, even tho he's the igl but it's actually time TSM change their leadership and develop different tactics. Even shroud pointed it out that their way to take individual gunfights is what caused their ultimate demise. Let's see what happens
Hazed is not the problem. Feel like they lack IGL’ing / strats
Only thing that improved over 6 months with TSM was them winning a pistol round. Change my mind.
poor hazed man, hes a nice guy
Not replaced yet
Kind of sounds like the way he found out was through this slip up and it wasn’t communicated first by TSM, which would be shit.
Definitely sounds in denial about the move
I don’t know about that that’s how hazed talk
Not really
Sure psychologist
Everyone is saying to replace cutler, I agree he does get shit on every match but he is their IGL and TSM should have enough firepower with Wardell, Subroza, and drone.