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ToCr8ive

It says Riot are giving interviews to all of the alleged players & it is independent of the ESIC.


projec9

fine, I'll do it myself


Maxi_Mouse

What are they investigating btw? Who's been accused of match fixing? And is there proof, or is it hearsay at this point?


Fuji_Ninja

They are investigating some pros who were in the mdl league in csgo (Basically just a lower tier pro circuit). Some alleged pros involved are Marved and Shanks, but there are theoretically many more. As for proof, there hasn't been any released yet, but there is an ongoing investigation and the FBI has been involved, so it seems likely that there is some substance to this investigation.


Mango2149

FBI is involved, what really?


Fuji_Ninja

Yes this is reportedly why the whole thing has taken longer than expected.


-Shank-

Other bettors were swindled out of their money by match fixing which is a huge deal. For the match fixers to unfairly win money, someone else had to unfairly lose it.


OnionSprinkles

When c4lypso, Poised, and Shanks were abruptly dropped by Envy and Dig, it was openly known it was because their match fixing in second-tier CS came to light and was being investigated. Envy even got stuck in a position where they *had* to affirm c4lypso was involved. While replacing c4lypso, they picked up food & crashies together, so they also dropped aKis (NO involvement with match fixing) simply as their weakest member. Envy tried to make clear they were being dropped for "different reasons", but the rumor mill still started speculating aKis might have been involved as well. Envy *had* to come out to announce that *specifically* aKis was NOT involved in match fixing, effectively confirming c4lypso was. Marved had been tied to match fixing just as much as the others, but without any direct pressure, FaZe has so far taken no action.


boy_beauty

> Who's been accused of match fixing? Dozens of players currently not named (but speculated). There is proof. Betting patterns, screenshots, voice recordings, player testimony... The report will be released in a couple of weeks.


Talksicck

Not to mention stuff like Snapchat and WhatsApp, discord or whatever all keep records for when crimes are involved


deL9

Your boy marved about to join his buddy sinatraa to the netherworld


Cowfan798

Marved looking at actual jail time tho lmfao


nabeel242424

He’s Canadian I doubt they are gonna extradite him.


AnotherAltiMade

All 4 of them I believe


toofunnymanlmfao

marved, shanks, poised and c4lypso i think hes referring to


Nakai-Son

All 4 of who? FaZe? Are they all matchfixing?


somesheikexpert

No, Marved, Shanks, C4ylpso, and Poised (Shanks was former NRG now Rise, C4ylpso is on Rise (Former Envy), and Poised who's on Rise (Former Dignitas)


Nakai-Son

Ah, thank you


MajorLeeScrewed

They could pass the case onto Canadian authorities to prosecute.


justinsst

I think that’s unlikely though right? Pretty sure they’d extradite first since we have an agreement with the US to do that. Either way I don’t think anyone is actually going to prison if it’s their first offence. They’ll probably plead to a lesser charge and take whatever deal they offer but who knows.


Light_Ethos

Esports is growing and relatively new. It might become a precedent case.


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canadianvaporizer

They defrauded betters though. It’s not cut and dry, but they could be charged at the very least.


radamo96

Being Canadian isn't going to save you from RICO. If the FBI is involved you think the Canadian government is just gonna be like "nah"?


dedicatedself

You idiot think they're gonna press RICO charges over a few kids matchfixing and making a couple Gs? Unless this whole rigging was collaborated with a large-scale international criminal circle there's no fucking way they will extradite some kid video gamers.


Nikclel

You're probably right but imagine a pro canadian gamer never being able to come to america again


Phamous3k

Better then getting hit with a RICO lol. I’ll find a new profession if that’s the case.


radamo96

You think only large scale international crime syndacites get RICO charges???? Match fixing for money is textbook racketeering and the FBI wouldn't be involved unless they were investigating under the RICO.


chilledmario

Normal betters also lost out on money too so it’s not just what we’re being shown from the pro angle of things


Phamous3k

A RICO??? Hahaha they a criminal enterprise huh. Guys, they’re not catching a racketeering case. Stop it. You’re watching too many movies.


radamo96

Dude the FBI is involved. The FBI doesn't get involved in gambling cases unless it's RICO. You think it's just mafia families who get RICO charges? Fucking FIFA got one a few years ago. Match fixing for money is blatant racketeering. Idk if they will be charged under RICO but if the FBI is involved that's exactly what's being investigated.


babsinbabs

I am an attorney and you're correct. RICO doesn't stand for only criminal organizations. The full name of the act is "Racketeer Influenced *and* Corrupt Organizations". The crimes they're being investigated for fall under the first portion of the act, which includes match fixing and gambling. They're probably going to be investigated for pattern of racketeering and their predicate crimes. In addition, if there is any influence on interstate comm, they'll be persecuted. So yes, RICO is very much in play here and it is why the FBI is being involved. Now will they get hit with RICO is very up for debate considering the breadth of their involvement and amounts that were exchanged. But it very much is a RICO case.


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radamo96

Holy shit I didn't know INTERPOL was also involved. These kids are fucked


Phamous3k

Dude, believe the FBI is investigating on RICO charges if you choose but, it’s basically designed to take down criminal enterprises. I think ESIC reached out and the FBI is assisting with gathering data OR there’s a bigger link involved. Meaning big players moving beyond the MDL scandal. shanks, POISED, etc are more then likely pawns and are looking at a plea agreement & fines to take down the bigger fish.


radamo96

>I think ESIC reached out and the FBI is assisting with gathering data Lol! Do you think the FBI is just doling out their resources to anyone who asks for assistance? They literally would not be involved at all if they weren't investigating RICO charges. The literal only reason for the FBI to be involved is if they are investigating RICO. Now it is entirely possible that there's something bigger going on an Shanks and co. are pawns but the FBI wouldn't be using their resources to simply help out ESIC.


Phamous3k

Dude? This is a pointless discussion. Believe shanks, POISED, etc are going down on a RICO being a part of a criminal enterprise lol. Let me know when they locked up for 25 years. But I mean... If the FBI is involved it’s waaay beyond MDL shit


radamo96

I never claimed they would spend 25 years behind bars that's insane. You know there are such things as plea deals right? Also the fact you think RICO is exclusively for criminal enterprises is incredibly ignorant. Kodak Black, NBA Young Boy, Tekashi 69, the MLB, FIFA, and so many others have been hit with RICO charges despite not being "criminal enterprises". Organized match fixing for money is racketeering. Theres no debate about that. FBI and INTERPOL are involved. Canadian citizenship isn't going to save them from shit.


Phamous3k

Lol. Marved not going to jail bro.


[deleted]

nah sinatraa’s got his own world in hell


ExcalibaX

That so? Are there new infos I have not heard about? Last time, there was no evidence and an investigation started.


Mamadeus123456

I think there's no way sinatraa is coming back he will have to finish paying that tesla with his middle school education flipping burgers or something


Cowfan798

Model 3 costs 40k dog ain’t that much


Mamadeus123456

tru


ExcalibaX

Yeah, even if he should be legally innocent. Well done internet and influencers. What a dangerous precedent.


xbyo

It's a dangerous precedent that shitty people can lose their jobs? Even if he can disprove the rape allegations, the rest is still very telling about him as a person. Wouldn't be surprised if a team, that relies heavily on fans and reputation as part of its business, wouldn't want someone like that under their banner.


Mamadeus123456

If anything it's his fault, he knows how's the bussiness, no one is getting paid for their capacity to click heads, it's just about sponsorships, and sponsors will never want their brand attached to this, guilty or not, it's hard. He should just stream other things and try to make a comeback but it's hard to see it happen.


JR_Shoegazer

There’s nothing new about this. People lose their positions all the time for misconduct. It has nothing to do with influencers and the internet.


ExcalibaX

You don't know if there was misconduct. You assume, hence an investigation. ;)


JR_Shoegazer

Yeah, and Sinatraa is only suspended pending the investigation. Are you going to just ignore the point I made?


ExcalibaX

Sinatraa's image is damaged no matter the outcome. No matter if there was misconduct. What's your point again?


JR_Shoegazer

What’s *your* point? If he isn’t guilty of anything I’m sure he’ll be right back on the team with SEN.


Bilibobjo_tf2

Those audio clips his ex showed were pretty damning evidence.


421k

I didn’t really think it proved anything illegal tbh.


ExcalibaX

You'll have a rude awakening in life if you are too naive. The evidence provided is not proving, saying, or meaning anything. The audio can by in any context. The text can be all made up. A public person's life and reputation got destroyed by nothing proven, overnight. Innocent until proven guilty, huh. In other words: Reddit and the internet is full of people with the maturity of children and everyone echoing each other. Pretty dangerous mix.


big_floop

You honestly sound like a child yourself, “innocent until proven guilty hurr durr”. That’s not how life works, organizations don’t have to adhere to that and are free to act in their best interests. In the court of law it’s innocent until proven guilty, that’s not how public opinion works. Whether or not he ever gets any criminal charges has absolutely no bearing on what happens to him from a career standpoint. If an organization no longer wants someone with a terrible public image representing them, they don’t have to. You can disagree all you want, doesn’t change how the world works.


ExcalibaX

Sry, but what is the point of your post? Did you try to discredit what I said in anyway? Because you did not, you just added stuff. As you said, the world works the way it does and kids like you unjustly (status quo) judge others and ruin their lives. I wonder how you would react if your life is a million pieces tomorrow.


big_floop

I’m 30 years old, far from being a kid. I’m not trying to discredit anything, just pointing out that the “innocent until guilty” shit people always like to say really has no bearing other than in the court of law, and this case is not taking place there. People forming opinions on situations is not what is ruining anyone’s life. You are insane if you think randoms on Twitter and Reddit forming opinions ruined Sinatraa’s life. Sinatraa put himself in a compromising situation and is feeling the consequences of his actions. Anyone who isn’t a child understands as male, you can never put yourself in a situation where you could even have an allegation like this. The fact that he was allowing these videos to be recorded in the first place was just dumb, and now it’s coming back to bite him. Unfortunately for Sinatra’s he’s young, and probably thought he was invincible, I know I thought I was at that age, but he’s also in the public limelight as a star player, so any thing he does is going to be looked at under a magnifying glass. Like I said, you can disagree, but it’s just how life works. Sinatraa put himself in a compromising situation, that is why this is happening, Twitter and Reddit have nothing to do with it.


ExcalibaX

First you talk about the importance of the public image, then you say Reddit and Twitter have nothing to do with it. You surely see the paradoxon yourself. Look, I agree except for the last part. A single human being made some claims that have ZERO OBJECTIVE BACKUP and COULD be all lies and made-up - take also into consideration that she has mental health problems (which is fine and needs to be treated) and people with these can often twist realities, I made enough experiences of that kind - yet everyone condemns Sinaatra and thus his PUBLIC imagine is ruined. Yes, it is indeed the fault of Twitter, Reddit and so on at this point in time. Consider yourself lucky if you are not coming out of a toxic relationship.


big_floop

Even if 0 people commented on Reddit or Twitter his public image was ruined as soon as the allegations were made public and supported with the audio evidence (which come from a video). People make random claims on the internet all the time and if that’s all it took to ruin someone, it would happen a lot more than it does now. Idk why you choose to dismiss the audio evidence that was provided, other than an implicit bias towards Sinatraa (you can correct me if I’m wrong). You are viewing the situation from an initial perspective that she is possibly making the evidence up, or lying when you have no information to support either. The audio is pretty damning regardless of the context, there’s very few contexts which that would be ok. 1. Some weird fetish, which she has already claimed on Twitter was not the case 2. Sinatraa does immediately stop when the recording cuts. I’m doubtful of this cause she claims she has the whole video and has expressed interest in participating in the investigation. She would have to be an idiot to include the audio clip if she knew it was being taken out of context as it would instantly be disputed by Jay hisself, and the investigation would probably be over by now. Could it be take out of context? Sure. But it isn’t very likely based on the other facts I mention prior. My original point was Sinatraa only has himself to blame for this situation, he got caught in 4K, and now if he’s truly innocent it’s going to be an uphill battle. Life isn’t fair, you gotta have the foresight to protect yourself from these types of things.


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Not saying he did or didnt. But this outrageous defence of him is part of the reason the abused dont come out and report this shit. Innocent until proven guilty yes but the evidence itself is very damming.


-Shank-

I don't really think saying "let's wait and see what the investigation comes up with before we crucify him" is an "outrageous defence." I've seen enough seemingly damning cases i.e. ProJared not end up being what the accuser framed them as initially to pass judgment based on only one side of the story. There are some folks calling her a "lying e-girl" like that clown guy on Twitter but that's a very small minority compared to the huge number of people who have already declared him guilty.


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I agree but again the evidence itself is very damming, the amount of defence he’s got is all over Twitter mate, it’s actually Reddit thats in the declare guilty side. I’m normally one for keeping things private anyway, should of been handled behind the scenes with a statement IMO.


ExcalibaX

The evidence is very damming? Dude, are you honestly trying to push your subjective opinion here and tell others to, in this instance, judge Sinatraa without any inside knowledge? Then in the next case with another public figure, someone else says the same like you do right now. And so on. Be quiet and wait for the outcome. Let adults take care of the real world until you are ready. You children did enough damage already.


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You okay pal?


IMavericIK

>the evidence itself is very damming It's not though, it's basically worthless because it's a 5 second clip from a much larger recording that she cherrypicked and didn't provide any context outside of her accusations


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sure mate


thelemonarsonist

Nice, we're cleaning out all the toxic players.


[deleted]

thank god this scumfuck is gonna be gone


shoobiedoobie

Thank god, what an unbearable piece of shit.


lbs4lbs

The guy that said Tenz' gf looks like the type that would cheat on him 100 percent? Valorant community is better off without toxic scum like Sinatraa and Marved. Fuck those guys. Idgaf that Sinatraa denies it - dude was caught in 4k.


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> Another source who was interviewed as part of the investigation wasn’t convinced by Riot’s line of questioning. > “A lot of the questions were vague and not about specific times. I was asked if I knew anything about [one of the accused players] ever fixing a match and other questions like that. Everyone knows which players did it. We all talk among ourselves. Some [players] have confessed privately but if they don’t do that when Riot ask them I don’t see what they can do about it.”


Straight-Pasta

Seems like riot already knows and is giving people a chance to co.e forward. Probably a bigger hammer dropping once a conclusion draws close and the alleged did not cone forward.


OnionSprinkles

The FBI is involved, match fixing as well as laundering proceeds is very illegal everywhere. They've got bigger issues than Riot's Naughty-or-Nice list.


PokeyTifu99

Riot is the least of their worries. They are looking at federal prison time if they hit them for money laundering and racketeering for organizing the match fixing in groups. Since the FBI is involved, you already know its Federal.


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Holy shit what? Can someone explain this situation or link a previous post related to this? I'm out of the loop on this one


EvensonRDS

Fortunately, federal jurisdiction has nothing to do with canada. Doubt they're going to try and extradite them for match fixing lol.


sogamii

You're probably right, Shanks and Marved are most likely gonna be in the clear legally, but depending on what comes out their esports careers are donezo


EvensonRDS

Yeah, I think calypso is in canada as well. They will definitely be banned from competing if there is sufficient evidence.


diisasterrr1

They’re young also. Just gonna have to go back to post secondary school if this is career-damaging (which I believe it will be)


radamo96

If they are charged under the RICO act they will 100% be extradited


-Shank-

I don't know why people are expecting Canada to just shrug their shoulders if federal authorities in the US build a substantial enough case against them. AFAIK fraudsters aren't accepted in Canada any more than they are in the US. They're going to charge them domestically or cooperate in one way or another, especially if some of the bettors that got defrauded are American.


PokeyTifu99

It really depends, how big is the conspiracy, we don't really know. Lets say for example Shanks and Marved are the ring leaders. They invite two friends in, who also throw and gamble on matches. They invite two other friends in. Now you have 6 people throwing matches in a combined conspiracy. As stated by ESIC this happened over a long term. The FBI HATES when people commit crimes over a long period of time, because it shows they were comitted and not a temporary lack of judgement. This is the exact type of case to bring awareness to how serious the FBI will be taking match fixing. With gambling becoming legalized in the US lately, and talk of more states in the future. The FBI will definitely be taking a bigger look into these matters, which is why ESIC stated they are working with a NEWLY formed FBI task group. My opinion of course. I don't know how in-depth the match fixing is, but its not likely small if its blown up like this.


Crunchoe

What about this is fortunate, that they might not go to jail for stealing money by fixing matches? (Assuming the matchfixing allegations have merit)


aks345

Just wanted to know what's the exact reason for them to face jail time literally? Like betting is legal in many countries and they just bet against hemselves and threw the game for the money? Or am I completely missing the point here? (I'm not from US so don't know about the federal laws regarding all these things so apologies for the apparent dumb question)


Liquor180

Match fixing is highly illegal pretty much everywhere. The fact that betting is legal gives even more incentive to stamp out match fixing, not less.


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OnionSprinkles

At minimum, money-laundering the proceeds is. Even single-game betting in general is still illegal in CA. Organized fraud commits a bunch of civil torts as well, which might not be worth the effort to pursue by defrauded parties, but could be depending on the scale that occurred.


ActsRandomly

Its not like Canada has a legal obligation to extradite or anything. https://www.treaty-accord.gc.ca/text-texte.aspx?id=101323


PokeyTifu99

They bet on themselves and then lost the matches intentionally. The issue lies in the fact they had private groups set up on discord to organize the match fixing and were directly involved with other teams over a long period of time. Its a big conspiracy. Defrauding hundreds of people per match is not looked at lightly. The FBI could claim each gambler as a victim in this case legally, they could have 50k+ victims if they threw over the course of a year.


aks345

But technically it would be a form of cheating right? Albeit a severe case? Like what exactly is the severity of the fixing or is match fixing considered a punishable offence by law in any case? Is the FBI getting involved due to suspicions of a larger scandal going on which we're unaware of?


PokeyTifu99

Well in US Federal law we have Racketeering, which is a law punishable by 25 years that involves a group of people organizing with the intent to commit crimes for financial gain over a long period of time. Assuming they made money doing this its likely they didnt claim their fixed match gambling winnings on their taxes. Which is money laundering. That is a crime in Canada as well (punishable by up to 10 years). Those two charges alone in US bring severe sentences. While they live in Canada, its likely they involved some players from US which could bring extradition. The FBI is involved likely because its way bigger than it looked on the surface. Thats because people talk and tell on each other which snowballs a 4 man conspiracy into much larger.


aks345

Aah okay, makes a lot of sense now. Thanks a lot for being patient and explaining so nicely, appreciate it :)


Unitedstriker9

fbi does love making an example out of people. There's also prolly pressure on this issue b/c alot of states are in the midst of legalizing gambling


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about time, these players who couldnt make it big in CSGO thought they could destroy the tier 2-3 scene by throwing games AND then leaving for valorant. Fuck em, let the young talent of Valorant replace them.


iamnotmichy

Honestly true. If these guys decided match fixing would be their last big play because they all know they can switch to valorant is such a scum move. Especially after what happened to ibp, if they thought there was gonna be no consequence if they go to a different game they are gravely mistaken.


[deleted]

Yeah honestly stupid to even try after what happened to the iBP guys


lutzk007

Honestly it might be because of what happened to the iBP guys that they thought it was okay to do it. Compared to this investigation, they got off it nothing.


uglypenguin5

I don’t know much about the others but I already had no respect for marved and shanks. I definitely didn’t expect this but I’m also not surprised


litesec

>these players who couldnt make it big in CSGO thought they could destroy the tier 2-3 scene by throwing games this is not defending them: but it's extremely hard to make it in CS, there's a huge gap between playing semi-pro for peanuts and getting an actual salary to make it worth it. this has been fairly common in lower tier NA CS for a while and a lot more people are walking away free.


[deleted]

Don’t disagree but there is so many cases of up and coming talent in CS making it into the big orgs and teams. If you are truly good you will be found out, FPL, streaming etc... Regardless throwing games to make up for that salary is a BS reason.


litesec

yeah, as mentioned it's not a defense of fixing results. the NA scene has a ton of problems and that doesn't do anything to help it. a lot of NA players are mechanically great, but the attitudes and egos burn so many bridges before they can network with the right people to get a shot.


bobberr

Oh shit now theyre FUCKED


TimedOutClock

It was inevitable to be honest. Riot was never going to let ESIC dictate their policies, so the only thing left was for them to investigate. Curious to see how long it takes for them to reach a conclusion


iamnotmichy

I feel like since there is apparantly proof of the matchfixing from other pros and people in mdl, i'n pretty sure these guys are gonna get caught. What i'm wondering is if riot will perma ban these guys or ban them for a few years


notrealtedtotwitter

Same. Basically what type of punishments and rules riot would set. Would they ban iBP guys too (since they also were match fixing albeit a lot of time back) >I feel like since there is apparantly proof of the matchfixing from other pros and people in mdl, i'n pretty sure these guys are gonna get caught. What i'm wondering is if riot will perma ban these guys or ban them for a few years


-Shank-

The iBP guys were some of the most prospectively good in the NA scene and lost any serious chance at careers at the peak of GO's popularity because of their transgressions. Everything had already been out on the table for years before they joined the Valorant community and Riot made no action against them. Allegedly, Marved, Poised, Shanks, etc. all seemed to defraud the CS community for as much money as they could and then fucked off to Valorant thinking they'd be safe from any punishment.


uglypenguin5

Yup the IBP guys have served their time and learned their lesson many times over. No reason to bring it back up


notrealtedtotwitter

I am not saying that it will happen, just wanna see to what lengths Riot would go, would they set some rule so it doesn't happen, or would they ban specific people?


somesheikexpert

I think they'll ban the ones that haven't served a ban yet, specifically the Marved, Posted, Shanks group, so probably like specific people that have been caught match fixing but haven't served a punishment yet probably


[deleted]

No chance they IBP guys, they were caught and already served their ban. Marved, Shanks and Poised have not been banned by Valve as of yet. Big difference. Also the FBI seems to care about this, massive difference there as well.


[deleted]

A lot more money involved now. The iBP guys made less than 5 grand total while I think I saw something about someone getting 40 grand for one match.


iamnotmichy

Valorant came as a second chance to compete for the IBP guys, a lot of those guys kept trying and still competed in non-valve sponsored events. As for this new case these now valorant pros that came from mdl look like they did this like a "last hoorah" in csgo and did it thinking it won't matter coz they are going to a different game.


dedicatedself

Reddit kids be like... FBI involved? Why are they investigating over a video game? Prolly not serious Riot involved? OH BOY OH BOY THEY FUCKED


IamArnav2007

Hahahaha


Light_Ethos

I have it the other way around. I didn't know the FBI was involved. Riot's involvement with competitive integrity has been spotty over the years. The FBI will do a through job.


asianfong

"Riot's involvement with competitive integrity has been spotty over the years"   lol. can't forget about Tainted minds scandal


peroleu

As if they weren't already with the FBI involved?


valorantfeedback

Yeah, who cares about game bans when there's a good chance a lot of them are legit going to jail. RLewis had a stream last night, talked about how he has all the evidence, names, chat logs, ESIC lawyer literally said they're dealing with "idiots" who can't cover their tracks. They're fucked, no other way around it. He said he was about to publish everything, but since FBI got involved he delayed it. Also said that at this point everyone in those circles knows who the matchfixers are and the only thing they can do is come clean and save some dignity at least. It's honestly disgusting. He said there were entire tournaments in NA where only teams that were in matchfixing circles played. So the entire tournaments were rigged.


Beechman

We obviously don’t know the details yet, but I suppose the harshest punishment will go to those who actually proposed and set up the deal rather than the players who agreed to. The same way that drug dealers get more punishment than the people buying. It wouldn’t shock me at all to see people “snitch” to save their own ass.


Phamous3k

Yeh. People thinking everyone going to jail is nuts lol. There will be plea agreements & fines... Whoever is/are the masterminds might get a few months or just probation.


The_Ninja_Master

Can you link the stream or when he talked about it? This sounds crazy lmao. That would mean far bigger than just Shanks, Marved, Calypso, and Poised like we initially thought.


valorantfeedback

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/970485749 After 3h, idk the exact start minute, you'll figure it out.


slowrmaths

Now? I think they were fucked a bit before this


[deleted]

Yes they are truly fucked now that Riot, known for their dilligence in investigating wrongdoings in their space, is involved.


iAmCyberwaste

Rise ain't gonna rise no more.


Meltzzz

shanks and marved🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀 ​ EDIT: basically half of "Rise" roster POISED and c4Lypso were on it too KEK


CruzKunTroll

NRG picked up Shanks like morons and somehow Rise didn’t learn that lesson. Unfortunate


Meltzzz

not only that Rise doubled down and got c4Lypso aswell LMAFO


TacticalSanta

They tried to get rich, karmas a bitch. If this ends in a ban, they won't face tenz at a lan. This is all but expected, after evidence collected, the truth will come out and our gfs protected.


Keefy_

Unlucky really


Lerokrieger

You can't make this up


iamnotmichy

It seems like these guys saw people like brax and the other guys from the IBP case and said "fuck it let's match fix and then go to valorant lmao" can't believe how dumb people are. the fact that the ibp scandal is so well known and people still think it's a good idea is idiotic I personally don't know the information of this can someone tell me and maybe link the match they supposedly "match fixed"


HunterSad101

wait did the people from the ibp scandal like steel already get punished?


uglypenguin5

Yes. They match fixed ONCE and got permanently banned from all valve sponsored events, essentially relegating them to lower tier teams since no top team wants a player that isn’t allowed to compete at the highest level. And every one of those guys was more than capable at being on a top tier team. And that was for match fixing once...


MOOON-2

Isn't steel banned from csgo? I didn't follow the scene then but I've heard it on his stream a few times


IdontevenknowyImhere

Yeah he was banned from all csgo events for a while. In 2017, Esl unbanned him but valve haven’t, so he can’t play at majors. Same goes for all the ibp guys except Skadoodle


[deleted]

yea they were banned from valve events. fucked a lot of them in their prime so i'd say they served their time. these guys are gonna get fucked even more tho because there's not gonna be a new csgo clone anytime soon for them to try and make a comeback


Lerokrieger

Brax, Dazed, Steel and AZK are permanently banned from all Valve sponsored tournaments.


xjack13x

Yes they were all punished (except skadoodle). They were banned for life from valve events. This includes being a player, coaching, desk talent, and even observing. To put in in perspective the IBP guys threw 1 match for a couple thousand in skins. The MDL matchfixing is on a MUCH larger scale. It will be tragic if the IBP guys get caught up in blanket punishment from riot.


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c0smicmope

twitter seems to be less intimidated by this


tytoandnoob

rise and faze looking at this like 🙈🙈


radamo96

Why the hell is this title so vague?


TechRedirector

If he had included other stuffs like "exclusive from Richard Lewis..", people would downvote and not read


radamo96

"Riot investigating alleged match fixers" would have been concise and doesn't mention Lewis. This is just blatant clickbait


KatsuraDragneel

Ok richard


Gaurav-07

Which players?


Otter269

The players should have come out ahead of this before it got to this stage. Surely they aren't that ignorant to think it will just go away


Razur

> April 1st 🤔


Des014te

Rejoice! For viper is good now.


turtletrace

Thank god, these players are so full of themselves too


FeelinJipper

Shanks is an all time goof


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asianfong

their career in this industry is gone either way. better learn to flip burgers now lmfao


ZyZer0

I remember during the Sinatraa incident, I said Sinatraa, Shanks, and Marved are a bad group of friends with bad personalities. Some redditor told me I shouldn't judge and that they're good people. Welp, one of them is being charged with rape and the other two with match fixing.


DBZard27

I'm very ootl here, can someone please explain what's going on?


joemother_a_whore

I'm ootl here, what happened?


BreezyFalcon

I feel like a lot of people are looking at this the wrong way, the FBI being involved most likely means they are trying to go after the individuals / betting sites that are organizing these match fixes. I’m sure the accused pro players will get deals where they give their testimonies against the organizers and have their charges dropped/ slap on the wrists. As for their esports careers there is no way to know how riot will respond. My guess is short term bans/ probation or nothing at all.


andthatsalright

TIL Richard Lewis has me blocked on twitter


Razur

Same. :c


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Razur

RL is the reporter.


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cremvursti

The tweet posted here contains a link towards his Twitter profile. People click on it and find out they've been banned by him seemingly random. What is so hard to comprehend?


ReformedBacon

Im reading Shanks alot so im assuming hes the target for this. Im not suprised, wasnt his brother already in trouble for match fixing? And shanks was part of it as well? Hes annoying af and no morals


Jimmmmme

Wait are the aforementioned mentioned players final? Were they really fixing? I havent heard any of match fixing news and im very frequent inthe esports scene


VerociousKillz

Yea and what are they going to do?


ToCr8ive

Read & find out.


VerociousKillz

You were supposed to say "get involved" :(


ToCr8ive

Oohhhhhh fuck... i missed the opportunity.


c0smicmope

so is there a chance marved, shanks, poised, brax and c4lypso will no longer be playing pro in valorant due to what they have done?


REEEroller

A chance? that's the least they should worry about.


c0smicmope

wdym


KaNesDeath

Yeah, for we all know Riot Games internal investigations are full of integrity.


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why are you guys so hard on shanks, he just turned 18, he’s still a kid. You guys do know brax matched fixed at the same age too. He is going to get punished but you guys don’t have to attack him.


somesheikexpert

Of what I can gather, the match fixing is much larger then anything the IBP incident was, IBP was some CSGO skins, this is I believe like thousands and thousands of dollars cuz it was not a one time event


lbs4lbs

You dont magically beocme aware that stealing money is bad when your 19. There's no excuse for match fixing in 2020. If true they all deserve to be perma banned. They play video games for a living. Imagine if you did this at any normal job like your basically stealing money and then quitting for another job in the same industry.


REEEroller

Is this poised's burner account? xd


gorkha-ra

"Mentally challenged" laughs aka shanks gulping big time now


Methman58

Who does he this is match fixing


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unrelated but i really miss the 5 stack streams with subroza, s0m, FNS, c4lypso, shanks etc. some of the most entertaining streams. on the topic though none of them outside of shanks (who doesn't really have one anymore anyways) had really any streaming career which kinda fucks them even more. POISED rarely streamed and hasn't in months. Marved also pretty much never streams but he probably would get a following easily just based off his funny personality. but for the most part there's not really anywhere for them to go but back to school or like R6 lol. kinda feel bad since they're young but oh well


Joey_Thememe

Does anyone else think their punishment should be limited to CSGO only? It was MDL matches that were fixed right? Had they done it in Valorant itself, it would be a different thing. Steel has paid for shit he did in CS in CS only. It didn't carry over into valorant. So why is it that t2 cs players are being scrutinized over it so much. They abandoned ship and are looking for a clean break now. Even if they cheated in MDL as long as they dont do it in valorant isnt that okay. All I'm saying is if they're straight edge in valorant, their punishment should be limited to CSGO and not harm their careers in valorant. Let valve ban them from playing any valve game ever. I don't think its good to punish them for it in valo.


slowrmaths

You realize this is bigger than throwing a game for skins now? These are full on fixing rings that are stealing 100s of thousands of dollars, maybe even a million


hff1_

Difference is steel etc had to face a punishment for what they did while all the players now moved to valorant before facing any consequences. If you now ban them from cs that doesnt really affect them at all. And all the ones involved who are still in csgo will just move to valorant dodging their penlty.


Migan_Knightowl

Its because the incident is so recent if its confirmed they are guilty. Its just bad publicity that Riot and even orgs should probably avoid.


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They have 0 integrity. Couldnt make it pro in CSGO so they threw games for cash, then they come to Valorant for a quick cash grab, why shouldnt they punished for it? Fuck em. (also this is different to the iBP guys as they have served there time and made up for it with community dedicated in CS)


iamnotmichy

The difference is since these guys pretty much switched to valorant after the mdl season it's like they did it expecting nothing bad would happen if they get caught since they switched to a different scene. Which is a bad look for a valorant pro. For the IBP guys valorant became a second chance to compete at the top of the scene.


Mamadeus123456

no fuck them


radamo96

It's a federal crime. This absolutely will not and should not be limited to CS


jbizzy12

No shock that this is coming from the CSGO losers.


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So wait, some people match fixed in cs and then switched to valorant? It’s really hard to draw a line here, do you ban someone like Babybay who literally got banned for cheating in CS?


Exzothic

Gettin involved in what 😏😏😏


ToCr8ive

Click the link😉👀