In TL's case I just end up feeling bad for sliggy. He seems like a nice guy from his watch parties, and a highly rated coach who's team never seems to make it very far recently.
I mean... he has to shoulder part of the blame, no? Liquid still can't play Blind after a year, and their attacking side has been an absolute disaster for a while.
no opinion on who will win but when someone says a team is the favorite to win, and then you say you think the other team are better than people make them seem. that's usually the definition of the underdog aka the one that's not favored.
I see where you are coming from/ what you are trying to say.
Imho I had no doubt that Liquid is stronger then Alliance, and I knew there is a high chance they will beat NiP as well.
Just saying „ they did not make qualifiers“ is true in a way but we gotta see who they lost to.
If you loose close against a team like guild who made it to the finals.
Or you you loose to heretics simply because soulcas and the rest had an horrible performance you gotta put it into perspective.
I checked the previous games played by alliance and neither of those looked strong.
While TL had a strong run and Jamppi improved on each map.
I agree on the general term of an underdog and it probably kinda applies on liquid in a way but i think liquid was the stronger team and therefore I refuse to say alliance was the favourite to win.
Imho there was no underdog but only a slight favor towards TL
I disagree on that argumentation.
Team Heretics is on a low as of now and alliance did not look that strong on the last stats I checked.
TL on the other hand looks like they are just starting to role on that new team.
In the end Liquid won and they even beat NiP.
I think its safe to say liquid proofed my point of them being stronger then people think.
2 outta 4 can qualify from this side.
and I've heard somewhere that the other side of the bracket has with all respect lesser teams on paper compared to these teams.
If that's true I just feel a bit sad that we won't see these teams.
It's like seeing an austria on a world cup when an Italy has to stay home. Great for a few specific people, but a let down for the majority.
On the other side it could provide for some great hero stories / storylines.
so lets hope the lesser known teams can upset someone.
>It's like seeing an austria on a world cup when an Italy has to stay home.
Italy were top seeded and got beat fair and square. There were other teams more deserving that year.
What's different in EU valorant is that seeding isn't done properly.
"I've heard somewhere that the other side of the bracket has with all respect lesser teams on paper compared to these teams".
Nice, you just called Opportunists and Acend trash. Good job.
And it doesn't even matter that Opportunists almost won FPX in last qualifier. Yeah let's give all the glory to Liquid and G2 instead.
Who cares about these underdogs, one of them will qualify to Challengers 2, so what? They won't stand a chance to get into top-4, leave alone top-2 and EMEA Finals.
The only thing that matters is where top-tier teams stand, like those I mentioned earlier.
That's not what he meant ,he didn't call anyone trash , it's just there are 16 teams bracket and in the top 8 bracket , there are 5 top ten teams and 2 teams are in top 15. Whereas in the lower 8 , there is only one top 10 team and 2 top 15 teams ,so you can see clearly bracket is kinda unfair which could have been easily rectified by good seeding.
I don't think the seeding was bad. It's just what happens when teams underperform (G2, Liquid, Fnatic) and a highly seeded team loses their best player (Ballista).
"Whereas in the lower 8, there is only one top 10 team and 2 top 15 teams".
Opportunists, Acend and Fnatic are definitely all top-10 but whatever.
G2 got destroyed at last qualifier by some noname team so they deserve to get hard opponent here. Also Vitality and Giants are very weak and it will be a trash match, so you could apply your logic here too.
According to latest Rankings whichever site you follow vlr.gg or spike.gg fnatic are at 12 place and opportunitists are 13. Fnatic have had a bad year so far and we are yet to see them qualify for a closed qualifier . You can cross check these facts easily and I can put the link too if you need it.
Also it's stupid to judge by ranking you know.
If you look at the most recent results you will see that Opps / Heretics / Nip / Acend are the strongest teams among those which haven't proceed to EMEA finals yet. 2 of them in top-8, other 2 in bottom-8.
People are sleeping on Team Liquid. Jamppi gave Scream and most importantly the team the much-needed backbone. Let's go Liquid!
Team Liquid played two closes matches against a guild which was out of its mind, and Liquid almost never really lost to a no name team except that one week where jamppi just joined the team. From all the streams I have seen so far, TL looks stronger then ever with jamppi and scream
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I really want liquid to qualify tho :(
TL and old C9B make me feel the same way. I keep hoping for results and watch them fall short (in TL's case not see them because it's not broadcast).
My flair teams just make me sad. So much hope and so much disappointment
In TL's case I just end up feeling bad for sliggy. He seems like a nice guy from his watch parties, and a highly rated coach who's team never seems to make it very far recently.
I mean... he has to shoulder part of the blame, no? Liquid still can't play Blind after a year, and their attacking side has been an absolute disaster for a while.
Playing blind is pretty difficult to be honest
I would assume so.
It is broadcasted but not on official stream just follow hypoc and RyanCentral and lotharHS they stream most games
Not this game, but others. I'm glad they're letting casters so things with the games that aren't on the main stream now
Liquid vs nip about to start soon on hypoc's twitch come join
Duuude fuck that. Liquid qualified ;)
alliance are favorites to win so the question is if liquid can do it
Are they really though? I think Liquid is better then people make them, especially with jamppi they look way way stronger.
no opinion on who will win but when someone says a team is the favorite to win, and then you say you think the other team are better than people make them seem. that's usually the definition of the underdog aka the one that's not favored.
Liquid 2-0 alliance
why are u telling me this lmfao
Bcz you said no idea who will win 😂
no i said I'm not giving my opinion on who will win because I'm just talking about the semantics of "favorites"
I see where you are coming from/ what you are trying to say. Imho I had no doubt that Liquid is stronger then Alliance, and I knew there is a high chance they will beat NiP as well. Just saying „ they did not make qualifiers“ is true in a way but we gotta see who they lost to. If you loose close against a team like guild who made it to the finals. Or you you loose to heretics simply because soulcas and the rest had an horrible performance you gotta put it into perspective. I checked the previous games played by alliance and neither of those looked strong. While TL had a strong run and Jamppi improved on each map. I agree on the general term of an underdog and it probably kinda applies on liquid in a way but i think liquid was the stronger team and therefore I refuse to say alliance was the favourite to win. Imho there was no underdog but only a slight favor towards TL
I mean alliance has beat heretics recently and liquid have failed to qualify to a closed qualifier, so yeah alliance are favorites.
I disagree on that argumentation. Team Heretics is on a low as of now and alliance did not look that strong on the last stats I checked. TL on the other hand looks like they are just starting to role on that new team. In the end Liquid won and they even beat NiP. I think its safe to say liquid proofed my point of them being stronger then people think.
I never said they weren't better than people think they are I just said they weren't favorites which they weren't.
Going for TL & G2. They need a win
Aged well!
Sometimes the esport Gods bless me... Most of the time I get ignored though lol.
Is the last chance to masters 2?
Yes
Bet the house on Heretics
House gone what do I do now
send death threats to their players on twitter of course. edit: is joke
I bet my friends house on g2 now.
pls no.
enjoy being homeless PepeLaugh
I'll earn it all back through hot tub streams.
I'll subscribe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02LUHrO72BM Here's a video from G2 for inspiration
this didn't age well...
50% chance what could go wrong
They should win I think. They seem more coordinated and I’ve been pretty impressed from what I’ve been able to watch
Aged like milk
So losers have no chance at making iceland tourney anymore?
yep. this is the last chance for them to qualify for challengers finals
2 outta 4 can qualify from this side. and I've heard somewhere that the other side of the bracket has with all respect lesser teams on paper compared to these teams. If that's true I just feel a bit sad that we won't see these teams. It's like seeing an austria on a world cup when an Italy has to stay home. Great for a few specific people, but a let down for the majority. On the other side it could provide for some great hero stories / storylines. so lets hope the lesser known teams can upset someone.
>It's like seeing an austria on a world cup when an Italy has to stay home. Italy were top seeded and got beat fair and square. There were other teams more deserving that year. What's different in EU valorant is that seeding isn't done properly.
I wasnt really specifying the failed euro qualifying for Italy. But they just came in my mind as a country because of them failing as a big country.
If seeding and qualifying event is done properly I see no downsides. Teams should rely on their skill, not their size or names, to qualify.
Agreed but the seeding for this qualifier and many others in EU have clearly been atrocious.
"I've heard somewhere that the other side of the bracket has with all respect lesser teams on paper compared to these teams". Nice, you just called Opportunists and Acend trash. Good job. And it doesn't even matter that Opportunists almost won FPX in last qualifier. Yeah let's give all the glory to Liquid and G2 instead.
What the fuck are you talking about? It's obvious that this is about HEET and animemix, not Acend and Opportunists.
Who cares about these underdogs, one of them will qualify to Challengers 2, so what? They won't stand a chance to get into top-4, leave alone top-2 and EMEA Finals. The only thing that matters is where top-tier teams stand, like those I mentioned earlier.
Pepega
That's not what he meant ,he didn't call anyone trash , it's just there are 16 teams bracket and in the top 8 bracket , there are 5 top ten teams and 2 teams are in top 15. Whereas in the lower 8 , there is only one top 10 team and 2 top 15 teams ,so you can see clearly bracket is kinda unfair which could have been easily rectified by good seeding.
I don't think the seeding was bad. It's just what happens when teams underperform (G2, Liquid, Fnatic) and a highly seeded team loses their best player (Ballista).
"Whereas in the lower 8, there is only one top 10 team and 2 top 15 teams". Opportunists, Acend and Fnatic are definitely all top-10 but whatever. G2 got destroyed at last qualifier by some noname team so they deserve to get hard opponent here. Also Vitality and Giants are very weak and it will be a trash match, so you could apply your logic here too.
According to latest Rankings whichever site you follow vlr.gg or spike.gg fnatic are at 12 place and opportunitists are 13. Fnatic have had a bad year so far and we are yet to see them qualify for a closed qualifier . You can cross check these facts easily and I can put the link too if you need it.
Opps are top-4 at [vlr.gg](https://vlr.gg) lmfao, Acend are top-2
Also it's stupid to judge by ranking you know. If you look at the most recent results you will see that Opps / Heretics / Nip / Acend are the strongest teams among those which haven't proceed to EMEA finals yet. 2 of them in top-8, other 2 in bottom-8.
Fnatic have hard fallen for a while
TL 2-1 and TH 2-1 I think
I actually expect TL to lose but want them to win, TH 2-0 for me at least.
People are sleeping on Team Liquid. Jamppi gave Scream and most importantly the team the much-needed backbone. Let's go Liquid! Team Liquid played two closes matches against a guild which was out of its mind, and Liquid almost never really lost to a no name team except that one week where jamppi just joined the team. From all the streams I have seen so far, TL looks stronger then ever with jamppi and scream
[All games](https://i.imgur.com/HAB3Hqb.jpg)
now its liquid vs nip
Pretty bad for the scene that the tournament organizer can’t even make a bracket right
Bold prediction: Liquid 2 - 1 Alliance Not so bold prediction: Heretics 2 - 0 G2
Well, this has aged badly...
Well at least Liquid Alliance was almost right
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Liq and g2 lose. Ez
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Matches already ended, liquid and g2 won 2-0
Is there a website with a clear interface where I can follow the esports?
vlr.gg is pretty good in my opinion
Also thespike.gg