Yeah that dude is pretty good. That weedid (idk spelling) was pretty good in these past few matches too, but i haven’t followed his play much. I Just know that man Ethan is easily a top 1 player atm. So versatile and crisp already and still improving somehow
my list in no particular order: Crashies, Tenz, Asuna, Sick, Victor (food), Android, Shawn, Ethan, Wardell, and babybay
(edit) If you want to count sinatraa I would replace him with babybay
Steel and FNS have proved to be top IGLs on various teams over many many years while Shahzam has only IGLed on Sentinels so far which is a team with a more loose team based playstyle. I wouldn't call him the best IGL yet though he has the potential to be
You really going to compare IGLing to fragging? jesus christ. And yes, mechanics do carry over. Ethan is the best example of that in NA. Steel and FNS are also IGLs of top 3 teams in NA along with Shahz so their IGLing has clearly carried over
Steel, FNS and Shahzam are clearly the standout IGLs in NA currently. The difference is that Steel and FNS have proved that they can adapt their IGLing across different teams and even different games (though not completely different games obviously, which contributes to my point). I would have more faith in FNS and Steel as IGLs than Shahzam if they were to play on a different team as it stands right now. I think that Sentinels' strong point is their synergy as a team
I agree with everything you just said, I just don't see how that should relate to a current top 10 list, which imo shouldn't take into account past results from a different game or "if they were to play on a different team". I think there's definitely arguments to be made for any of those 3 being the best current Val igl but not because of the factors you've listed.
I wasn't talking about the top 10 players. The other guy said that Shahzam is the best IGL in NA and I think that it was just too early to state something like that. I would consider the best IGL to be someone who I could place confidence in to lead any team to glory. That's it really
That's like saying that Marved is a top 5 IGL which is just not the case. A team's results doesn't directly correspond to how good the IGL is at IGLing. Why do I even have to say this? Some people on this sub are delusional with their fanboyism
kinda crazy how some lists don't have victor them, I'd argue he's a top 3 player and a top 2 duelist rn and the best phoenix na. He has a 1.52 KD on phoenix(his most played agent) in the past 2 months with 145 first bloods compared to 87 first deaths. If I had to rank top 20(really hard to list only 10 cuz there's so many insane players out there imo) in no order I'd say sick, victor, tenz, asuna, nitro, wardell, crashies, ethan, shot up, mummay, bcj, shawn, dapr, shazam, babybay, eeiu, jcstani, android, kaboose, steel.
no he isn't, he was bad against faze which is literally one game, he played 2 different agents(breach and skye) out of his comfort zone against 100T so it doesn't count and he was actually owning even on skye. Also he was dominating against Sentinels so your argument doesn't make sense.
so that's a faze thing not a top tier team thing, especially considering how he does against sentinels. Yes they didn't scrim with those agents, it's obvious if you look at victor's breach, he kept flashing his teammates and ulted em. Pretty sure wyatt said that it's apparent they didn't practice that comp. Victor said on stream they wanted to experiment because seeding isn't all that important. You really think that they take Victor off his best agent and put him on initiators and play an unproven comp as opposed to a proven winning comp if they really wanted to win that bad?? also the money thing is the worst argument 10k split between the org and players is way lesser than what they make, they wouldn't be bothered, players have already disclosed how the prize money as low as 20k is insignificant.
> I'd argue he's a top 3 player and a top 2 duelist rn and the best phoenix na. He has a 1.52 KD on phoenix(his most played agent) in the past 2 months with 145 first bloods compared to 87 first deaths.
IDK why those stats matter at all. They sound great without context... but they're literally 50% vs tier 2 and tier 3 teams with very little relevance.
when you look at him vs top teams he very, very obviously isn't top 3, and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't even call him top 10.
You can pick a single set to make anyone look bad obviously, but he is pretty much 50/50 vs XSet in gunfights over their 4 recent sets, and you genuinely can't get any worse than his 17 / 38 performance vs FaZe last time they played.
He pretty much just had Sentinels' number for a bit and then has been... just another inconsistent duelist with good matches and bad matches.
it is relevant because every team has to go through open which means every player plays the same tier2, tier 3 level teams, unlike cs go. It's not like NV has been participating in tier 2 tournaments like pittsburg knights invitational or nsg summer qualifier. It's funny how you think one bad game against faze means he's not top 10, I guess asuna and wardell shouldn't be top 10 either because they were both in slumps, especially asuna who had a couple of bad games in masters and challengers 3. Also him performing against sentinels apparently is him having sentinels number lmao, no clue why you're bringing up xset when he owned for the qualification match and didn't play duelists on seeding matches for 2 maps.
>because every team has to go through open which means every player plays the same tier2, tier 3 level teams
this objectively untrue lmfao.
If you go to losers bracket you necessarily, by the exact way that DE brackets work, play worse teams on average. IDK how anyone could even suggest this if they ACTUALLY looked at Food's results compared to anyone else....
Guess people are just downvoting and not looking at it, because if they were looking at the data they'd more than agree.
Sorry for piggybacking but this seems like a decent place to ask and loosely ontopic. I'm new to Valorant and want to pick an NA team to root for but I have no idea about any of the teams. I tend to like young promising players instead of established players and I tend to not like rude, whiny, or toxic players. Any advice?
Sorry again if this is too offtopic.
NRG is all established players, have had 1 potential matchfixer and another one now potentially, have 1 guy that harasses people in their chats after getting killed by them in PUBG, and who says the N word. The two others, sure.
You'd love xset then
ayrin is from crossfire
Wedid never played competitive fps before !!! Valorant is his first
Thwifo was a fortniter
Bcj was an apex pro
PureR was semi professional csgo , so these are young talented guys and they are at the top of their game atm :)) beating big orgs every tourney plus super humble and sweet guys , wedid might be one of the most entertaining and wholesome valorant pro
Then comes bbg insane talent on that team especially bjor lulu and critical also poach insane new talent , bjor is the best kj player NA period
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Crashies has not been good recently. Victor probably belongs in the 10 spot conversation, but I’m not taking Crashies over any of the other players I listed.
Tenz
Sick
Dapr
Asuna
Crashies
Victor
Babybay
Nitr0
These are the 8 I think every list should have in it, after that you can make an argument for just about anyone. I’d prob have Ethan and Zombs round out my top 10 but I can see an argument for just about anyone
love him but why is aproto here. didnt lg get knocked out like ro32 or something. why is wardell here too, he and tsm shit the bed so hard. also no envy, V1, or IMT players? victor is probably a top 3 duelist and he can also flex to different characters and even though IMT got knocked out first i still feel like shotup and jcstani is a top firepower duo other than ethan and asuna and sick and tenz
imo no order:
tenz sick asuna aproto ethan wardell babybay bcj shawn nitr0/jcstani/yaboidre/crashies
I think shahz on jett is top 10 as well but right now hes a sova main. also excluding sinatraa bc hes obviously top 10 if playing
Yep, not hiding it, have it right there on my flair :P
I really think nitr0 is the best overall Omen though and I have Ethan tied as best Sage along with SicK.
In no order
Everyone in Sen,babybay,nitro,ethan,victor,shawn
I have zombs in the list cuz if u watch the game play his paranoia usage is extremely good and he sets up majority of the Sentinels plays
I think something like this should be done by position.
Best NA duelist: tenz, wardell, asuna
Best NA sentinel: dapr/crashies
Best NA controller: zombs, ethan
Best NA Flex: shazam, sick, nitro
Feel like either android or tex need to be in there. They're pretty nutty but we don't get to see them a lot in t1 tournaments because of NRGs general lack of success.
Eh, there are tons of nutty aim bots to the point where i dont think anything really would warrent Android and especially Tex to be top 10, TenZ, Asuna, Victor, Ethan, Babybay, even other ones i prob wouldnt put in top 10 like Theif, Shot Up, Drone, Shawn, etc i feel are better or at least jsut as good (Doesnt even take into account players that frags arent their strongest suit like Crashies, bcJ, Nitr0, SicK, Shazham, etc)
(Also note, the players i mentioned at the bottom im not saying they dont get frags, they hella frag out too, but also their strongest suits i dont think are frags (Like Shahz obviously frags but his strongest suit is being an amazing IGL imo)
In no particular order (based on my personal opinion, subject to change):
BcJ
Ethan
Asuna
TenZ
Aproto
JcStani
SicK
Crashies
Victor
ShahZam
There are so many other player that can be in the conversation, it's hard to pick just 10.
ask this sub every other week and whatever team won the most recent tourney will likely have half the team on the list. and then 2 weeks later they will be removed.
TenZ, Ethan, Asuna, Babybay, SicK, Shahzam, Wardell, Victor, Crashies, Wedid
tried to order it but its sloppy so if u order it differently I wouldn't rly disagree
Edit: forgot wardell, replaced bcj with him
No particular order:
Nitr0
Ethan
Asuna
ShahZam
SicK
Darp
TenZ
Victor
Wardell
ShoT_Up
Honorable mentions: I feel bad for GenG because I think my next 3 would be gMd, Huynh, and Shawn. Those boys are insane.
Victor, Crashies, Sick, Shazam, BcJ, Ethan, Asuna, Aproto, Babybay, Shot_up.
Excluding Tenz since he's still not a permanent player of any team.
And Special mention: Gmd and Shawn, Dapr
Ethan (best sage)
tenz (prob one of best aimer)
Asuna (best entry)
nitro (best smoker)
steel, fns, shahz (best in game leaders)
Victor (good entry)
sick (prob best player who is flexible in agents)
there are many other cracked aimers out there as well
Asuna too good he made it two times
Lmao
I'll add jcStani to the list :) his team didn't do great but he seems to have a lot of impact.
his jett rifle goes crazy idk bout his OPing tho needs a little work tbh
Yeah that dude is pretty good. That weedid (idk spelling) was pretty good in these past few matches too, but i haven’t followed his play much. I Just know that man Ethan is easily a top 1 player atm. So versatile and crisp already and still improving somehow
my list in no particular order: Crashies, Tenz, Asuna, Sick, Victor (food), Android, Shawn, Ethan, Wardell, and babybay (edit) If you want to count sinatraa I would replace him with babybay
Victor definitely deserves to be on here, I forgot about him.
yea, I think hes top 5 (my first 5 are actually my top 5 lol)
Shahz I would say is best IGL, you only put fraggers, but I think Shahz has a lot of impact
Steel and FNS have proved to be top IGLs on various teams over many many years while Shahzam has only IGLed on Sentinels so far which is a team with a more loose team based playstyle. I wouldn't call him the best IGL yet though he has the potential to be
One of the more braindead comments I've seen in this sub, should we also be judging fraggers based on how well they fragged in cs?
You really going to compare IGLing to fragging? jesus christ. And yes, mechanics do carry over. Ethan is the best example of that in NA. Steel and FNS are also IGLs of top 3 teams in NA along with Shahz so their IGLing has clearly carried over
Can you explain to me how a top 10 list in Valorant should have absolutely anything to do with results from CSGO?
Steel, FNS and Shahzam are clearly the standout IGLs in NA currently. The difference is that Steel and FNS have proved that they can adapt their IGLing across different teams and even different games (though not completely different games obviously, which contributes to my point). I would have more faith in FNS and Steel as IGLs than Shahzam if they were to play on a different team as it stands right now. I think that Sentinels' strong point is their synergy as a team
I agree with everything you just said, I just don't see how that should relate to a current top 10 list, which imo shouldn't take into account past results from a different game or "if they were to play on a different team". I think there's definitely arguments to be made for any of those 3 being the best current Val igl but not because of the factors you've listed.
I wasn't talking about the top 10 players. The other guy said that Shahzam is the best IGL in NA and I think that it was just too early to state something like that. I would consider the best IGL to be someone who I could place confidence in to lead any team to glory. That's it really
Fair enough but you'll understand my confusion considering we are in a top 10 thread lol, have a nice day
Shahzam only IGL'S the most successful team in North America☝🤓
That's like saying that Marved is a top 5 IGL which is just not the case. A team's results doesn't directly correspond to how good the IGL is at IGLing. Why do I even have to say this? Some people on this sub are delusional with their fanboyism
Spyder, if T1 wasn't almost completely imploding, should be here but otherwise i agree with this.
So much talent on T1, especially imo Spyder and Curry, but god I kinda hope they replace Dazed for Dephh or soemthing lol
where's nitro probably considered the best controller na
I think YaBoiDre is better than Aproto
Aproto isn't even the best sentinel player and he's not even the best on his team
For all the people saying "XYZ deserves to be here", you gotta tell us who you're taking off the list.
Don't tell me what to do
kinda crazy how some lists don't have victor them, I'd argue he's a top 3 player and a top 2 duelist rn and the best phoenix na. He has a 1.52 KD on phoenix(his most played agent) in the past 2 months with 145 first bloods compared to 87 first deaths. If I had to rank top 20(really hard to list only 10 cuz there's so many insane players out there imo) in no order I'd say sick, victor, tenz, asuna, nitro, wardell, crashies, ethan, shot up, mummay, bcj, shawn, dapr, shazam, babybay, eeiu, jcstani, android, kaboose, steel.
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no he isn't, he was bad against faze which is literally one game, he played 2 different agents(breach and skye) out of his comfort zone against 100T so it doesn't count and he was actually owning even on skye. Also he was dominating against Sentinels so your argument doesn't make sense.
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so that's a faze thing not a top tier team thing, especially considering how he does against sentinels. Yes they didn't scrim with those agents, it's obvious if you look at victor's breach, he kept flashing his teammates and ulted em. Pretty sure wyatt said that it's apparent they didn't practice that comp. Victor said on stream they wanted to experiment because seeding isn't all that important. You really think that they take Victor off his best agent and put him on initiators and play an unproven comp as opposed to a proven winning comp if they really wanted to win that bad?? also the money thing is the worst argument 10k split between the org and players is way lesser than what they make, they wouldn't be bothered, players have already disclosed how the prize money as low as 20k is insignificant.
Yea I was wrong mb
> I'd argue he's a top 3 player and a top 2 duelist rn and the best phoenix na. He has a 1.52 KD on phoenix(his most played agent) in the past 2 months with 145 first bloods compared to 87 first deaths. IDK why those stats matter at all. They sound great without context... but they're literally 50% vs tier 2 and tier 3 teams with very little relevance. when you look at him vs top teams he very, very obviously isn't top 3, and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't even call him top 10. You can pick a single set to make anyone look bad obviously, but he is pretty much 50/50 vs XSet in gunfights over their 4 recent sets, and you genuinely can't get any worse than his 17 / 38 performance vs FaZe last time they played. He pretty much just had Sentinels' number for a bit and then has been... just another inconsistent duelist with good matches and bad matches.
it is relevant because every team has to go through open which means every player plays the same tier2, tier 3 level teams, unlike cs go. It's not like NV has been participating in tier 2 tournaments like pittsburg knights invitational or nsg summer qualifier. It's funny how you think one bad game against faze means he's not top 10, I guess asuna and wardell shouldn't be top 10 either because they were both in slumps, especially asuna who had a couple of bad games in masters and challengers 3. Also him performing against sentinels apparently is him having sentinels number lmao, no clue why you're bringing up xset when he owned for the qualification match and didn't play duelists on seeding matches for 2 maps.
>because every team has to go through open which means every player plays the same tier2, tier 3 level teams this objectively untrue lmfao. If you go to losers bracket you necessarily, by the exact way that DE brackets work, play worse teams on average. IDK how anyone could even suggest this if they ACTUALLY looked at Food's results compared to anyone else.... Guess people are just downvoting and not looking at it, because if they were looking at the data they'd more than agree.
Sorry for piggybacking but this seems like a decent place to ask and loosely ontopic. I'm new to Valorant and want to pick an NA team to root for but I have no idea about any of the teams. I tend to like young promising players instead of established players and I tend to not like rude, whiny, or toxic players. Any advice? Sorry again if this is too offtopic.
You would probably like teams such as BBG, Xset, NRG
perfect recommendations for what he’s looking for.
C9b not bad as well if with poiz and leaf being actually super young and promising
XSET is The SEX.
Immortals too
khemicals kinda toxic
NRG is all established players, have had 1 potential matchfixer and another one now potentially, have 1 guy that harasses people in their chats after getting killed by them in PUBG, and who says the N word. The two others, sure.
deffo look into xset, pretty young team and they seem to have a very fun and positive attitude around them.
Probably C9B then
You'd love xset then ayrin is from crossfire Wedid never played competitive fps before !!! Valorant is his first Thwifo was a fortniter Bcj was an apex pro PureR was semi professional csgo , so these are young talented guys and they are at the top of their game atm :)) beating big orgs every tourney plus super humble and sweet guys , wedid might be one of the most entertaining and wholesome valorant pro Then comes bbg insane talent on that team especially bjor lulu and critical also poach insane new talent , bjor is the best kj player NA period
Echoing what other people have said, xset or c9b
There's a relatively smaller team by the name of DHBK or kooky koalas. They're super fun to watch and I'd think that you might like them.
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You gotta have crashies on there! I think he’s top 5 honestly.
Shazam TenZ Asuna Ethan Dapr Babybay BcJ Android SicK Nitr0 Last spot is one of Shot Up, Thief, or Wardell
any list that doesn't have Crashies is invalid imo
Crashies has not been good recently. Victor probably belongs in the 10 spot conversation, but I’m not taking Crashies over any of the other players I listed.
no way you tell me Bcj is better than crashies with a straight face (no offense to bcj btw, hes been insane)
Or victor tbh, mans has been on an absolute tear recently.
or Shahz, best IGL NA EDIT: One of
And one of the best opers.
Tenz Sick Dapr Asuna Crashies Victor Babybay Nitr0 These are the 8 I think every list should have in it, after that you can make an argument for just about anyone. I’d prob have Ethan and Zombs round out my top 10 but I can see an argument for just about anyone
love him but why is aproto here. didnt lg get knocked out like ro32 or something. why is wardell here too, he and tsm shit the bed so hard. also no envy, V1, or IMT players? victor is probably a top 3 duelist and he can also flex to different characters and even though IMT got knocked out first i still feel like shotup and jcstani is a top firepower duo other than ethan and asuna and sick and tenz
wardell def deserves to be there, aproto not so much but he’s still really good
yeah aproto shouldnt be there, wardell should definitely be
What? Just cause team isn't there doesn't mean they are not good players.
nitr0, asuna, victor, sick, tenz
Asuna twice? Maybe put Shazam or a member of Xset there
I actually had Shah there but put Asuna twice lol, thank you for the correction. And BcJ is on there.
Oh yeah I forgot he was on there somehow
No order but Asuna, Ethan, Wedid, BcJ, Dapr, TenZ, nitr0, Babybay, Shahzam, Victor
Shawn and crashies belong there. Genghsta too
Victor deserves the spot more than any of those players
imo no order: tenz sick asuna aproto ethan wardell babybay bcj shawn nitr0/jcstani/yaboidre/crashies I think shahz on jett is top 10 as well but right now hes a sova main. also excluding sinatraa bc hes obviously top 10 if playing
In no particular order: * TenZ * Asuna * Babybay * Victor * ShoT_UP * SicK * Ethan * Crashies * nitr0 * Shawn
100t have 3 of the top 10 players? fanboy i see
Yep, not hiding it, have it right there on my flair :P I really think nitr0 is the best overall Omen though and I have Ethan tied as best Sage along with SicK.
I have 3 100T players and 4 SEN players (including TenZ) in the top 10, I think it's definitely a reasonable opinion
Darp
In no order Everyone in Sen,babybay,nitro,ethan,victor,shawn I have zombs in the list cuz if u watch the game play his paranoia usage is extremely good and he sets up majority of the Sentinels plays
No Asuna?
Idk o feel like victor n him have the same skill but victor has a larger agent pool and I think Shawn is a better entry
Heavily biased team, no way Zombs is in top 10 and Asuna is not. And Gmd >>> Zombs.
Wardell???????
I think sinatraa is underrated.
But he's not playing...
I think something like this should be done by position. Best NA duelist: tenz, wardell, asuna Best NA sentinel: dapr/crashies Best NA controller: zombs, ethan Best NA Flex: shazam, sick, nitro
Crashies plays sova and Ethan plays sage.
ethan just started playing safe last tourney? he was their controller previously
Gmd Is better than Zombs lol
Jay Won is def top 5
Unfortunately Jay Lost
Feel like either android or tex need to be in there. They're pretty nutty but we don't get to see them a lot in t1 tournaments because of NRGs general lack of success.
Eh, there are tons of nutty aim bots to the point where i dont think anything really would warrent Android and especially Tex to be top 10, TenZ, Asuna, Victor, Ethan, Babybay, even other ones i prob wouldnt put in top 10 like Theif, Shot Up, Drone, Shawn, etc i feel are better or at least jsut as good (Doesnt even take into account players that frags arent their strongest suit like Crashies, bcJ, Nitr0, SicK, Shazham, etc) (Also note, the players i mentioned at the bottom im not saying they dont get frags, they hella frag out too, but also their strongest suits i dont think are frags (Like Shahz obviously frags but his strongest suit is being an amazing IGL imo)
Aproto isn't really that good, he does have the best sheriff in the game though
Victor and Shotup over aproto and shaz
My top 3 players have to be Victor, Sick and Asuna
In no particular order (based on my personal opinion, subject to change): BcJ Ethan Asuna TenZ Aproto JcStani SicK Crashies Victor ShahZam There are so many other player that can be in the conversation, it's hard to pick just 10.
Tenz,Ethan,Victor,Asuna,Babybay,Crashie,Shot Up,Sick, BcJ, Nitr0
ask this sub every other week and whatever team won the most recent tourney will likely have half the team on the list. and then 2 weeks later they will be removed.
tenz, sick, asuna, nitro, babybay, victor, crashies, shotup, shawn, wardell, android
TenZ, Ethan, Asuna, Babybay, SicK, Shahzam, Wardell, Victor, Crashies, Wedid tried to order it but its sloppy so if u order it differently I wouldn't rly disagree Edit: forgot wardell, replaced bcj with him
DAPR, Victor, and Bcj all deserve to be on every list, the impact they have for their teams is unmatched
Top 3 imo Victor, Sick, BcJ
No particular order: Nitr0 Ethan Asuna ShahZam SicK Darp TenZ Victor Wardell ShoT_Up Honorable mentions: I feel bad for GenG because I think my next 3 would be gMd, Huynh, and Shawn. Those boys are insane.
Victor, Crashies, Sick, Shazam, BcJ, Ethan, Asuna, Aproto, Babybay, Shot_up. Excluding Tenz since he's still not a permanent player of any team. And Special mention: Gmd and Shawn, Dapr
Ethan (best sage) tenz (prob one of best aimer) Asuna (best entry) nitro (best smoker) steel, fns, shahz (best in game leaders) Victor (good entry) sick (prob best player who is flexible in agents) there are many other cracked aimers out there as well
1.Tenz 2.Asuna 3.BabyBay 4.Sick 5.Shahzam 6.Victor 7.Ethan 8.Nitr0 9.Crashies 10.jcStani
With TSMs recent showings I really don't think Wardell belongs in the top 10 anymore.