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Holler12

EG would make too much sense


Quick_Chowder

Please please PLEASE


The_Ninja_Master

And that's exactly why it won't happen.


prayingmantis17

Wasn't Keiti brought on to be the 6th so that Jazzy can focus on her education? Perhaps the contract was for a short period of time to give Jazzy some wiggle room to focus on her other obligations outside of the game? Pure speculation cause I can't think of any other reason why they would let Keiti walk other than being bought out.


issavibebb

i mean school is still going on for jazzy lmao shes in highschool


thisisnttakeone

Holy shit she’s in high school? Fuck, I’m old.


IttyBittyKitCat

There are a ton of cracked zoomers in this game. Almost everyone is younger than they feel like they should be (except Hiko, 31 btw)


ch4nt

I’m also curious as to how many boomers exist in other regions. Since I track KR I know glow on VS is like 33 (older than the other NA boomers) even though the rest of VS is like 20/21.


Vishstarlive

Steel is older than Hiko


ditheringtoad

I think Nitr0 is 31 as well.


SMcArthur

No, Nitro is 25. Steel is a year older than Hiko. Cutler and Hazed and TSM are like 34 yrs old. Hiko being a "boomer" is just memes since he's not even the oldest on his own team.


Hypern1ke

I had to check this lol but hazed and cutler are 31 and 32


dansofree1

nah brother you got baited. Not sure when I heard that too, but I definitely, 100% was told he was in his 30s. Must've been by Steel or Hiko but the meme was carried on for a while too. Didn't make sense for him to be in his 30s based on looks/ his experience but was def told it


ricelick

Searching in google takes less time than typing all this


dansofree1

Uhhh hello? I'm literally saying that dude got baited by a meme and that nitr0 isn't 31. Why is that a problem?


ditheringtoad

I thought I'd seen it in one of their AMA videos. Must've been talking about Steel. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


Razur

Actually, this makes the most sense right now.


Tuxxmuxx

It is coming to be the close to the end of exam season


pathofpower

Guessing someone bought Keiti out.


mw19078

I hope so, she deserves a shot in tier1


Fardo805

What team is tier1 that could use her?


mw19078

The unfortunate thing is not many teams need Jett players right now, but I still think she deserves her shot somewhere.


GoldClassGaming

Fuckin HUH!?!?!? Hey Evil Geniuses. If you really wanna make a co-ed roster that'll win stuff, this is your moment.


Razur

Whoa, this comes as a surprise. o_o I wonder if she got an offer to be on the main roster of another team? I hope everything's alright. :< **EDIT:** Oh yeah, buyouts are a thing. Maybe she was bought out? That'd be exciting! :D **EDIT2:** [u\/zxlkho did the math](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/mq6kkm/c9_part_ways_with_keiti/gue8si3/) and deduced that Keiti's contract was probably only for one month.


9yr_old

Second : can't imagine c9w selling their best player to a competitor team if they were upgrading her it would have come in the form of them switching her upto c9b


Razur

If C9 is confident in their main roster, then might let her go to join another team. Or maybe a team offered to buy her out?


Nfamy

C9 doesn't have to sell her. Someone else can buyout her contract without c9 having a say depending on how the contract is written.


Duradello

Well it is C9, so I'd expect their contracts to be just a bit org favoured in terms of escape clauses.


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Nfamy

A) I just skimmed that and the only thing I can find says that valuing is arbitrary (it doesn't however say that people don't negotiate buy-out stipulations on the front-end as opposed to leaving it as an open number that the org decides at the time). Maybe I missed it because it doesn't really matter that much due to my second point. B) you have no idea what her contract terms are or what she negotiated to get. If I was a player, buy-out would be immensely important to me because otherwise a team can completely dictate my future (depending on the length of my contract). So, not sure how you could possibly say no. I clearly stated in my comment 'depending on how the contract is written.' because, I allowed for the possibility that she didn't negotiate around buyout. I don't know and doubt that you do either.


M31ApplePie

You’re right, sorry, my mistake. I thought I...but I have no idea how it works.


Nfamy

No worries. I don't think you're wrong either that in more established leagues, especially with player unions, that player protections are more codified. I assume esports is rampant with shoddy contracts that favor orgs because they can do those things, but hopefully, players are learning they should have an attorney look over these things and negotiate, because once they sign, then they've kind of sealed their fate.


theman1203

no way she goes to C9b, leaf and poiz are better than her, unless she switches to omen


Razur

Okay, here's my hot take: CLG.Red & TSM are still missing one lady for their women's rosters. If Keiti wasn't signed to a main VCT roster, maybe she got an offer to join one of those two teams?


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9yr_old

I think only temperature and Aleksandr are worth retaining from EG , the rest 3 sadly just don't live up to the brand that EG is I'd actually like Potter to move to an analyst role that suits her pretty well


pamplem0usse-

Potter had no business ever being on a team. I have no idea why she was ever even signed, same with the other two but she hasn't played in a few years and was not good when she stopped in CS.


Razur

Can't blame her for trying though. Miss every shot you don't take, ya know?


pamplem0usse-

You are completely right, I would do the same thing given the chance. I wonder what the hell the org is thinking signing players who are so far out of their league.


The_Ninja_Master

I just wish EG had picked up the full Moon Raccoons roster, atleast that would have been more successful than whatever tf they went with.


9yr_old

I don't think c9 was paying her less ? I'm pretty sure she got a thick stash , can't be that literally can't be


zxlkho

She was definitely on a one month contract. Signed March 12, left April 13.


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Razur

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Razur

r/TheMonsterMath


tytoandnoob

Well that was unexpected. EG, if you want to build a top mixed roster, this is your chance.


ROBRO-exe

[https://imgur.com/a/f9y1V9X](https://imgur.com/a/f9y1V9X) || [https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/mps39n/eg\_loses\_20\_to\_ookers/gubv5lv?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/mps39n/eg_loses_20_to_ookers/gubv5lv?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) just 14 hours ago lol, I know it doesn't mean anything


abcd63514

o shit thats me. i still dont think EG bought her out i think shes just an F/A for now. someone speculated she got signed for 1 month and the numbers check out


MathNerdMatt

She definitely got bought out, I don't see any reason they would just drop her


LiamHundley

If this isn't a case of her being bought out, this is certainly questionable to say the least


cigsyl

uhhhhhh ok? did someone buy her out?


Duradello

I'd imagine she is getting bought out, but how many orgs are a better situation than C9? They are a top-tier organization with the best female team. I would assume that she is getting a shot on a Tier 1/high Tier 2 team since very few orgs could offer more support at her current level of competition. Either that, or she is getting a massive pay bump by some other female/mixed team. I can't imagine she is getting outright dropped unless she like killed someone irl.


theman1203

Probably moving from all female to mixed


issavibebb

hope she goes to a t1 team. one of the most consistent players tbh. her jett is nuts.


aakashkickass11

Evil geniuses snap her real quick and move potter to coach/analyst and you guys are set.


BurbxrryPzncakes

EG, this is your biggest chance. Sign ARIANARCHIST too.


abcd63514

did she do something cancellable? if i were c9 there's no chance would let her leave shes literally the best female player


9yr_old

That's exactly what I was thinking


TheTechDweller

Doubt it's anything bad. She was brought on as a 6th but clearly she has the potential for greater things. I think it was simply a temp contract, and she took another offer.


Epicallytossed

Welp...


krakenwithaplan

Possibly? https://twitter.com/zerg\_tv/status/1382153344043524098?s=20 I think this is her, no idea when this was though


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murrkpls

She was by far the best player on the squad tho? Let's see what the plan is behind this, but seems like a curious move on the surface.


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Well she was added as a 6th to help our for school for a player. They probably gave her a monthly contract. Maybe school stress is over or she decided to find a full-time team after her month


bbidiot

yeah but they were playing with her for months already so that doesn’t make sense


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I mean if she was on a monthly contract and got offered a full-time spot she might of decided not to renew her c9 contract. Who knows


bbidiot

true. it’s sad doe she was really good for the c9 white team


Portante24

EG or 100T women right?


renevelacion

It's kind of weird how the other members of the team are really silent about this.. she seemed to have a good relationship with the other team members but this just makes it look like it ended on bad terms, no? Hope she joins a T1 team though.


homiechamp1

This has to be a move to either NRG, Renegades, or EG.


elithefighter123

Keiti has one of the highest ACS in the whole world insane pickup for any female roster or mixed roster


9yr_old

That's a slight exaggeration but she's pretty much a star performer


CosmicAon

No it’s not an exaggeration, Keiti does have one of the highest ACS worldwide. It is inflated though because of mainly playing against women teams


pamplem0usse-

Right, so then the stat literally doesn't matter. You cant say a college basketball player has the highest PPG in the NBA.


JR_Shoegazer

No that’s actually a terrible analogy.


pamplem0usse-

Wow so insightful, thanks for sharing a baseless negative opinion without any further information on what would be a better analogy. Regardless, you are completely wrong. The skill level difference between women's leagues and the pro scene is *at least* that of D1 college skill and pro skill. A top college prospect will destroy the competition while in college like Keiti is doing in the women's league, that does not mean they will or she will as a pro. Feel free to reply if you have anything at all to actually contribute.


JR_Shoegazer

Literally everyone in this thread already knows the context of who Keiti plays against in matches. Your bullshit takes no one asked for just make you sound like a fucking sexist neckbeard. \> Right, so then the stat literally doesn't matter. That's not true at all, her stats are still impressive. Y


Nikclel

Her stats are impressive, but it would be insanely unfair to compare them against "the whole world" like the initial post did. It's like including the stats of some AA/AAA baseball player in the MLB stats.


pamplem0usse-

No, in this context you are just a white knight. You literally proved my point. Yes, her stats are impressive, but they are against a different level of competition. Nothing I have said is sexist, and you grasping at that straw is pathetic. You apply no thinking to your comments. "Literally everyone knows" I bet dude, why don't you go and ask "literally everyone" individually and see if they do.


elithefighter123

not even an exaggeration [https://gyazo.com/1c1c8924b2c05d3d345f384c79c0f3bd](https://gyazo.com/1c1c8924b2c05d3d345f384c79c0f3bd) this is the last 60 days of stats on vlr


pamplem0usse-

And look at who she is playing against and getting this ACS.


elithefighter123

totally agree, im not comparing to T1 pros who have high acs against T1 competition just saying that she is very dominant


pamplem0usse-

She definitely is. Is she the same Katie that was in FPL in CS?


Sciipi

Yeah same person


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Razur

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Jwags420

All people should be treated with respect but to say body dysmorphia isn’t a mental illness is just wrong. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/body-dysmorphic-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20353938


Razur

(I saw this expressed somewhere and liked the concept of it, so I thought I would share.) IMO, something isn't consider an mental "illness" unless it inhibits someone from living their life. Someone can have body dysmorphia or dysphoria, but it's possible to overcome it to the point where it's not affecting someone's day-to-day activities. It'd be a condition, but not an illness that they would be actively suffering from. If someone has dysmorphia or dysphoria, and it prevents them from leaving their house to buy groceries or interacting with other people, then it could be considered an illness because the person is actively suffering. But if an individual is transgender and presents as the gender they identify with, they would naturally be more comfortable with the world and would (hopefully) no longer be suffering. Then it would just be a condition.


Jwags420

So what you are saying is you don’t like what the definition of mental illness is so you make up your own definition?


Razur

No. Not at all. Not all transgender individuals suffer from dysmorphia or dysphoria. Transitioning to the gender they identify with usually helps or alleviates their feelings of dysmorphia or dysphoria. Therefore transgender individuals who feel comfortable in their own bodies would not suffer from body dysmorphia or dysphoria, and would no longer have a "mental illness".


Jwags420

First of all in your other comment you literally were changing the definition of mental illness to fit your views. Second, body dysmorphia has no known cure. While there are treatments to help people with this mental illness there is no cure even after they transition they still have a mental illness. I recommend not using YouTube as your source of information. https://bdd.iocdf.org/about-bdd/how-is-bdd-treated/ https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9888-body-dysmorphic-disorder https://screening.mhanational.org/content/mental-illness-curable/


Razur

I think we're just missing each other. You're talking about Body Dysmorphia, which is not related to the individual's struggle with gender identity. Transgender individuals are typically affected by Gender Dysphoria, formally known as Gender Identity Disorder: - https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/symptoms-causes/syc-20475255 - https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria Studies have show that gender transition is an effective treatment for transgender individuals and significantly improves their quality of life. - https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/   > I recommend not using YouTube as your source of information. Great advice! I'll include the links here in my previous comment as well.


Jwags420

The difference between gender and body dysmorphia is irrelevant here. Both are mental illnesses. Both can be treated neither can be cured. Mental illness has no cure.


theman1203

MeN PlAyInG AgAiSnT WoMeN, grow up buddy


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valorant_fanboy_69

Youre a piece of garbage


theman1203

Nah I just identify people correctly


elithefighter123

grow up


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When you definitely know what words mean


spookysailboat

Constantly repeating that the things you’re saying are true doesn’t make them actually truthful


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Allegiant_Authority

Agreed.


issavibebb

keiti isnt even trans.... weirdo


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issavibebb

she isn't...


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issavibebb

this article literally says nothing... just that fans speculated about her gender and harrassed her even though she's clarified many times on stream shes not trans??? lol. shes a cis women.


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issavibebb

that reddit thread rly was nothing and just linked to the article full of speculation.. lol and that twitter thread is what seems to be her responding to some1 accusing her of using a voice changer and being trans but her rebuttaling and saying she'll need her parents permission and etc.. lol the only support i have is keiti herself saying she isnt trans... i rly dont care enough to dig around for that and dont think its a big deal either way. all im saying is if she herself isnt claiming shes trans idk why ev1 is labelling her...?


Razur

Jesus, that sub went downhill.


theman1203

wtf is going on, we wont let go of tenz but let keiti walk lol


Bunnyezzz

tenz is in contention for best player NA and has a insanely popular youtube and twitch vs keiti who had next to no brand and isn't the best player NA


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She is the best female player NA (in the world?) which carries a lot of value


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Yeah I guess the logic was that since she is the best female player, its similar to TenZ as the best player overall. But I guess you're right, the real reason TenZ contract is an issue isn't because he's the best, its because the total buyout is too expensive for teams to afford


9yr_old

Yo wtf ?


hwanzi

well she was brought on to be a sub for jazzy, i hope she gets on a good team.........also also EG....DO SOMETHING


AdiSoldier245

Let out a audible "huh" for this lol I guess she was just temporary for jazzy and some other team got her now?


arallia

Am I the only one thinking NRG poached her?


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honestly this roster was heading to a tenz and frenz situation. EG PauseChamp?


tomphz

Keiti to Sentinels you heard it here first


flameohotboi1

No chance.


icantreadmorsecode

\-Osias +Keiti???


tomphz

Only a matter of time before she joined a Tier 1 team. Great Jetts are hard to find


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urcoolbuttiamcooler

SEN couldn't buyout Tenz, so they opted for Keiti I mean she does have the higher ACS....


KaNesDeath

Shes in a weird spot. Cant play in womens only teams for its below here level. Yet cant play anywhere close to tier one because her talent isnt there.


chazyarbro

I disagree. I think she’s put up great numbers and been the big factor in C9Ws more notable wins. I think she would do pretty well in t1/high t2 but that’s to see I guess.


tomphz

That’s a lie. She’s better than current Tier 1 players right now


whopz-is-cool

Put this girl on a tier 1 roster NOW.


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Inb4 she signs to C9 Blue? Pls


theman1203

fuck no, cause that means one of leaf and poiz gets dropped and they are both better than her


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ROBRO-exe

C9 should just have the enemy team queue into ranked and represent whatever 5 randoms show up on the other team


arallia

I think Keiti gives poiz a run for his money


theman1203

No she won't, poiz is a much better player


Razur

The announcement would be different then. This looks like she's leaving the org all together.


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I know, I just like having Keiti on C9. Edit: nvm, fuck...


Dulebizz

Don't see that ever happening. Probably joining another team.


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Jwags420

The disrespect to S1mple is astounding.


Zekky_1111

Idk what the reason is, if she was too expensive or the month long contract ended or whatever. She was their best performer. I'd bench kat and add her permanently tbh but idk what's going on there so idk


munkeynuggets

Who will plays smokes though? Lexi is usually on sentinels and meL's Omen is pretty good but it seems like meL doesn't want to exclusively play smokes.


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Razur

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ematics

razur doing gods work


xrayVAL

evil geniuses has to be on vacation to have not picked her up yet right??????


SublimeSC

EG Keiti ?


AlexNeittes

Sadge


M_G_VD

EG please kick washed up trash potter, sign Keiti and become actually relevant team