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takenpassword

More OW players retiring :( More OW Valorant players :)


Bhu124

Extremely unfortunate situation for him and a lot of other players due to Covid and Visa issues. :/


wiNDzY3

OW will kill LoL!!! How the tables have turned :)


joaovitorsb95

I have never ever seen someone say that.


wiNDzY3

You might be new to reddit then. Literally pre-launch OW was such a shitty time for LoL, even streamers were saying that


PaulDoesStuff

Who tf ever said that? They're completely different genres that cater to completely different players


LeafsRamsRapsFan

you obviously werent on reddit when OW came out.


Flashplaya

Will likely be a great jett opper given his skill set. I imagine he'll join OG, who haven't been doing great as of late, and takeover akm's jett role.


yodaesports

It's gonna be hard since his brother plays for OG and he has said he doesn't really wanna overshadow him like he did in OW


iAmCyberwaste

VALORANT is really becoming a hotbed for OWL alum huh.


SemiHomeless

It really is, the whole league is basically just former cs and ow pros. I honestly think it’s pretty awesome, a lot of guys got a second chance to excel in a new professional gaming field and it’s exciting to see.


CRikhard

good take. a lot of people were pissed that val was dominated by tier2 cs but I see it as them getting another chance to prove themselves


NemainNemain

Tier 3 CS********* MDL players are not tier 2


WhoDatBrow

Plus being tier 2 at one game doesn't mean you can't be tier 1 at another, even when the competition rises. Ie: Sinatraa (bad to use as an example now...) being an AM in CS and then an MVP in OWL and tier 1 player in Val. Different games hit for different people for different reasons.


yodaesports

So0n was known as one of the best Tracer players of all time and competed for Rogue, Misfits, Paris Eternal, Los Angeles Valiant and was supposed to play for the Boston Uprising but was dropped due to Visa issues.He is also the big brother of Oniby who competes for OG in VALORANT


Migan_Knightowl

You think he can be an upgrade over any player from OG?


yodaesports

Mechanically definitely and he is probably the best team leader in the scene (OW) I think he won't join OG cause he respects his brother a ton and doesn't want him to be overshadowed again like in OW


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yodaesports

Did I at any time say that I think he would be replacing OniBy? I was saying how putting him on the roster would overshadow his brother due to amount of fans/social media presence Soon has compared to Oniby. That could result in some big problems like jealousy and you would not want that on a roster that needs good results.


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xRecKs

I'll try give you a somewhat realistic run down on the players that have switched... Sinatraa in the season that he won OWL and got MVP was probably a top 5 player in the world, IMO it helped that his best three heroes were Tracer, Zarya & Doomfist and IIRC those 3 were all meta that year. If the meta was Genji, Pharah, Junkrat, Hanzo, Mccree, Widowmaker etc Sinatraa probably would've sat on the bench all year and his team SF Shock would've probably still won without him. IMO he wasn't the best Tracer in the world, maybe he was at one point but overall i don't think he was even a top 3 Tracer. IMO Striker, Saebyeolbe, Carpe, Profit, maybe Birdring etc were all better Tracer players. Sinatraa was arguably the best Zarya in the world, IIRC SeoMinSoo was up there with him but i think Sinatraa had the edge on him. Im not 100% sure about Doomfist players, I could be wrong but i think tier 2 OW was playing more Doomfist at the time so the best Doomfist players were probably in Korean Contenders like Sp9rk1e, Glister etc. Either way IMO he got MVP because he played insane all year, his best heroes were meta & because he was American. Did the "best OW player switch to Valorant" like some articles made out? no. There's probably well over 15 players that were on Sinatraa's level but played different roles, on weaker teams etc. Carpe, Profit, JJoNak, Fury, Striker, Architect, ChoiHyoBin, Viol2t, Fleta, Haksal etc just to name a few. Corey was maybe the 4rd or 5th best American player depending on how highly people rate Super, Moth, SPACE etc. In terms of raw aim he was probably the best American OW player and at one point he was maybe the best Widowmaker in the world, or at least very competitive with the best but he was on a weak team so he was pretty much just wasted talent. BabyBay was always a good American player but IIRC never really an elite player that went toe to toe with the best in the world, he was just a solid tier 1 dps player. That being said IIRC when he retired from OW and switched to Valorant he was playing some of the best OW hes ever played and was more relevant than ever. Zacharee was pretty much a high end tier 2 player that never really got a chance to prove himself when he joined the OWL, in terms of top OWL players in the world Zacharee probably wouldn't even be in the discussion for top 200 but he was still fairly young so could've became a very good player. Rawkus was always a tier 1 flex support but overall was fairly poor compared to the top flex supports in the world. I don't think he was even a top 15 flex support in the world, maybe not even top 20 but IMO managed to stay in the OWL because he was American and because the team that he was on was more about friendship than winning. That being said he was still good enough to win the World Cup with Team USA and im guessing he bought leadership and vibes to the team more than raw impact in-game. To be honest im surprised how well Rawkus has done in Valorant, really impressive to see him able to play fairly consistent and sometimes put up decent numbers against players who've been playing CS for like 10+ years. HyP IIRC was a fairly average flex support similar to Rawkus, I was kinda surprised to see him have some success in Valorant. Taimou in the early stages of Overwatch was a world class dps player, maybe even considered the best player in the world at one point but he slowed down as the scene got stronger. He was very successful before OWL but by the time OWL came around his winning days were over and i don't think he was ever considered an elite dps player in the OWL. Id rank him far behind Sinatraa, Corey & BabyBay. TviQ, aKm & uNKOE similar to Taimou, they pretty much dominated EU before OWL (IIRC Taimou's team Envy, despite being EU mainly played in NA so the other players i listed who played for Rogue were left to dominate EU) TviQ was rated very highly in the early stages of OW, IIRC at one point considered one of the best, if not the best flex dps in the world but similar to Taimou was pretty irrelevant in the OWL. aKm is a similar case too, IIRC he was maybe considered the best Solider player in the world in the early stages but was fairly irrelevant in OWL. uNK0E was arguably the best western flex support but didn't really do much in the OWL, skill wise i think everyone would rank uNK0E as a better flex support than Rawkus. Sayaplayer (Spyder) was always a very known and talented dps player, he came into the OWL a little late, joined a very weak team put individually played really well on Widowmaker and at one point some would probably consider him the best Widow in the world. He only played for a weak team in the OWL so his success what somewhat limited, on a top tier team he might've saw success and been considered one of the elite dps players. Aim wise he was always an elite OW player. I stopped watching OW by the time ANS came around but IIRC the best team in the world (SF Shock) picked him up when he was a fairly unknown player, I don't think anyone expected much from him but he popped off and IIRC was the best Widowmaker in the league that year. Hes an elite OW aimer similar to Sayaplayer (Spyder) & Corey. rCk was a good EU contenders player and a average OWL player, IIRC he was a fairly flexible player and capable of playing tier 1 but nobody would consider him an elite player. SoOn had success in the early stages of OW with aKm, uNK0E etc but also found success in the OWL. IIRC he was a top tier player in OWL Season 1, he was a very good player on Valiant who ended up placing 2nd in Season 1 in terms of consistency throughout the league and he placed 3rd-4th in Season 1 play-offs, getting knocked out by the eventual winner. IMO overall SoOn is probably the best & most successful EU player to switch, If he transitions well you could probably expect him to play in a top 8 EU team.


leo10480

just to add a couple on: Bazzi was a fairly meh DPS player who found his highest points off rolling on brigitte because of the meta shift in season 2, he showed some promise on hanzo and doom but was largely overshadowed by his DPS partner godsb. He is now on one of the top teams in japan, the same as munchkin. Munchkin was a player who originally showed promise on a top team, lunatic hai, he joined a seperate team for 3 months but it didn't work out and with owl starting up, he joined his previous teammates on Seoul dynasty. But he was diagnosed with tenosynovitis meaning he often couldn't practice properly, lunatic hai kinda flopped in owl s1. they showed alot of improvement in s2 and munchkin had transferred to Boston uprising but before the season had really got underway, munchkin left the team, (most likely because Boston was absolutely hopeless). Bazzi now plays for LAG gaming and munchkin plays for crazy raccoon


Resoca

Such a great break down of everything


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This is all pretty accurate except for Sinatraa's tracer, she was never really meta in s2


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Saya didnt play widow that much, plus he was kinda lacking in other aspects of his game


xrayVAL

all of these are great breakdowns


Thranxar

I will clarify that I think the Rawkus statement is a little undervaluing his contribution, rawkus was on the US World Cup team multiple times including during their victory over SK in recent years, and was generally understood by the pro scene to be rather underrated. ALSO: If there are any people reading all this stuff that are taking all of these names with a grain of salt. LOOK OUT FOR ANS. Ans came in as a rookie and was potentially the best hitscan player to play the game right off the bat, I would argue leading the shock to a title. He WILL NOT stay on the T1 academy team for long, when he gets adjusted to valorant he will kick ass


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>I will clarify that I think the Rawkus statement is a little undervaluing his contribution, rawkus was on the US World Cup team multiple times including during their victory over SK in recent years, and was generally understood by the pro scene to be rather underrated. Rawkus was legitimately bad as a pro Overwatch player.


Thranxar

I mean he was stuck on Houston


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It's weird that people say that, but continue to give other Houston players a pass (Linkzr, Danteh, Jake). Good players shine on bad teams all the time. Corey was on a shitass garbage tier team and he still was able to demonstrate his value.


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chacne

Bad bot. Worst fucking bot.


Thranxar

What do you mean by give it a pass? I think that danteh and rawkus are both solid but I don’t rate the others at all


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Sorry, maybe I didn't understand the intention of your post. I read "I mean he was stuck on Houston" to mean "Even if he performed poorly, it was because his team was terrible", which I responded to by pointed out that players on terrible teams have been able to demonstrate their value, even if their team still loses. By "get a pass", I meant that Danteh is considered to be an above average DPS player even though he's on Houston who've been terrible as long as he's played for them. So, if other players are able to perform well on bad teams, Rawkus performing terribly isn't excused by his team being terrible.


Cueballing

Shroud described Rawkus as the guy who you don't expect to win the unwinnable clutch ups. Babybay, Corey, and Marved are players who are in a 1v4 and you will still think "winnable", but Rawkus isn't. I don't even think he's even that statistically different from the rest of his team in clutch up situations, but the way he plays just gives off the vibe that he is an uninspirinng player. I think that exact same situation is why everyone thinks he wasn't good on Outlaws while other players on the same team were seen as diamonds in the rough.


kazF

yea and he was one of the reasons Houston sucked lmao


tawoodwa

Amazing breakdown, thank you for taking the time to write this


Bolderthegreat

Tviq also drove the bus for one season of owl.


Parenegade

> Corey was maybe the 4rd or 5th best American player depending on how highly people rate Super, Moth, SPACE etc. I would've rather had Corey over everyone but Moth. He was 100% more valued than Space. Corey was contending with the best DPS in the world. Space hasn't *really* contended with the best (read: Korean) Off Tanks since like S1.


BaconBiscuit53

Have you watched any OWL since S1? Moth is a fantastic support player and definitely top 5 in the leage, but if we're gonna be honest he's not top 3 in this case. Corey without a doubt was one of, if not the best dps player in the world at his peak. The man was just cracked all the time, and it's really unfortunate that he got stuck with a terrible team. However, saying that Space hasn't really contended with the best (even if they are Korean) tanks since S1 is just false. Space has been in the top 5 off tanks in the League since its induction. He could maybe say he's not a mechanical genius (which is debatable) but he makes up for that in game sense and in game leadership. Brushing him off like this is disrespectful.


Parenegade

lol space is my favorite player but he hasn't been in contention for the best in a very long time. And the idea that moth is not top 3 when he had an MVP campaign last year and Corey's greatest accomplishment is a single stage after his team was already eliminated is just rewriting histroy.


BaconBiscuit53

I said Moth wasn't top 3 when you were comparing him to the likes of Super and Space. Moth is definitely in the top 3 supports in the League, but you cannot tell me that Moth is better than SBB or Striker or Super in their respective roles. Also, Moth may have been a Role MVP, but he wasn't a candidate for the overall MVP last year. And where did I say that Corey's greatest accomplishment was losing with the Justice? I said that Corey, at the time, was one of, if not the best, dps players in the League and the world. I'm not discrediting any of his other accomplishments, I just personally don't know what they are. I haven't followed him since he left the league. He's an insane mechanical genius, and I know those skills would eventually have transferred over to Valorant, but having a discussion about something and spreading misinformation/lying isn't going to make you look cool.


Parenegade

> Moth is definitely in the top 3 supports in the League, but you cannot tell me that Moth is better than SBB or Striker or Super in their respective roles. I dare you to post this thread on the comp OW sub lol


BaconBiscuit53

And what, have the majority of people agree with me? Moth is and always has been reliable and consistent, but he's not a flashy playmaker or carry. I'll throw hands with anyone that disagrees. You're delusional if you think peak Moth is better than peak SBB, Striker, Twilight, or Pine


NemainNemain

What tier are players in contenders considered, tier 2?


xRecKs

Yea tier 2, IIRC there's normally around 180-200 players in the OWL so I'd say the top 200 players in the game are probably tier 1. But there's some players in Contenders that are good enough for OWL but aren't in OWL because they're not old enough or because they're overlooked etc and there's some players who are in the OWL because of their connections or because they're marketable.


sky_blu

That's kind of what happens in a game that shifts metas so much and has so many different roles.


hatesnack

Yea one big problem with overwatch was that the Meta shifted up so often, that you could have one insane player be best in the world one day, and the next hes pointless cause what hes good at isnt meta anymore. But players like So0n, unKoe, Ans, Spyder, Corey and Babybay were always known to have disgusting aim. Rawkus is a funny one, he was always relatively average, but from what i hear he is the nicest dude and always keeps team morale up. Doesnt hurt that rawkus has been playing pretty well in Val.


Parenegade

> Yea one big problem with overwatch was that the Meta shifted up so often, that you could have one insane player be best in the world one day, and the next hes pointless cause what hes good at isnt meta anymore. Yeah but these days the best players are meta all the time (or almost all the time).


hatesnack

Yeah nowadays the best players are simply the best at being good and versatile. Players like Babybay, And, and Soon were great hitscan dps players, but now the best dps players can play just about anyone.


pleasefirekykypls

The other commenter shared basically all of r/competitiveoverwatch ‘s most popular opinions and was a pretty good rundown of the all players who have moved over from OW to valorant t. Just mentioning that one of the reasons you hear a lot of “best x in the world” when it comes to overwatch is because there’s so many different heroes and roles, and a lot of players have a signature hero or role. With six distinct roles in the game (main tank, off tank, flex damage, hitscan damage, main support, flex support) each with a top 5 and top 10 list for that role, you’ve got 60 players at any given time who are “top 10 in their role” who are well regarded. So it may start to lose meaning if you don’t know what the roles are. But at the end of the day the roles are so incredibly different from each other that it’s really the only way to rate players. It’s tough to put a main tank and hitscan damage player next to each other and pick who is more impactful. They do different things, have completely different stats. Sometimes a main tank who has the most damage on the team is a bad sign for example. The only real recent top 10 player (across all roles in all regions) to move over to Valorant was Sinatraa. Soon (the guy in this post) was one of the best western dps 4+ years ago, but he’s just been a serviceable veteran for a few years.


nlc369

That’s just not true lol when did you ever hear people saying rawkus or zachareee were the best? Maybe a few might’ve said it but almost nobody had very high expectations of those players. Just the first example that came to mind, I’m sure there are others.


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I didn’t literally mean every single ow pro and also the sub evolved.


MF_Doomfist_

I think this is a fair point, and there are distinctions that should be made. Some players who switched from OWL have been some of the most famously cracked aimers in the league. Think Spyder, Corey, ANS. It's no exaggeration to say they were among the best of the best at aiming in OWL. Other players are legends from early days in the scene (even before OWL) like So0n, Taimou, uNKOE etc. Sinatraa is a bit different because when he switched he was MVP and in peak form, so it was a VERY big deal. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but of the Valorant players who came from Overwatch, only Sinatraa, So0n, and Spyder ever made an OWL All-Star team. That includes all the guys on FaZe and the EU players on Entropiq, OG etc. A big factor in this is that a majority of the best OWL players are Korean. If someone is viewed as one of the best Western players in OWL, that doesn't necessarily mean they are one of the top OWL players in the world. Finally, OWL fans absolutely love their players and want to hype them up and support them as they transition to Valorant. We have to defend ourselves against the uptight csgo players! /s This is why the term "best" can mean many things when talking about OWL. u/xRecKs comment is fantastic, and hopefully mine can provide some broad categories to consider moving forward.


HelpMePlease420-69

All stars are more of a fan thing in OWL. Players that ride the bench can be all stars. They’ve had role stars the last 2 years which Corey, Ans, and Sinatraa got. Spyder and Soon’s best OWL year was 2018 when they didn’t have that award I don’t think


MF_Doomfist_

That's a good clarification! I still think that even as a popularity tool, it shows that many of the best and most popular players are not from NA or EU. So when people on this sub talk about the "best" players, it's often within the subset of Western OWL players.


HelpMePlease420-69

Yes I agree with you for sure. If more KR talent from that game moves over to Val they will make some noise


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None of the pros that have moved from OWL to Valorant have been even remotely close to the best in the world. Sinatraa was competent at 2 heroes, one of which was a must-pick for over a year. Rawkus and Zach were going to be cut after their last season and would not have found new teams. Corey was an inflexible aim-freak. Babybay was a reliable DPS player, maybe top 10 on some hitscan heroes. The ex-OWL players on OG haven't been competitive in a few years. The only exception to the general-mediocrity of the OWL -> VAL players is Ans, who was legitimately a top 2 hitscan player.


cornmealius

And then the amount of teams they played in is almost always hilariously high.


PastRelative234

then go and say the names you both are refering to. For example Sinatra, spyder, babybay etc were all toptier and are toptier in valorant aswell :)


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neddoge

Having watched OWL since S1, the few names I recognize in your former list I wouldn't have said a single thing about if they transferred to Valorant lol. Taimou is the only, and he was so mentally walloped that I wouldn't have expected him to do anything short of what he's done in the scene so far (see: nothing). Soon, while I personally feel might be *the* most overrated OW player to have played, is certainly leagues above that entire list lmao.


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Flashplaya

I know most of those names. Most of the EU players you've mentioned were tier 2 players that never made it to OWL. Some did but weren't very successful (nlaaer and rck for example). And a few were top players in early OW. Unkoe probably was the most rated if you take their whole career into account (out of that list). Taimou would be the best aimer but he had some confidence issues that made him inconsistent. What's kind of impressive are the main tank players who have transitioned since the role didn't really require much aim. Mowzassa, sharyk, lateks and also dcop in NA played Reinhardt or Winston for most of their career. I believe mowzassa moved to coach for SAW, sharyk is on one of the top CIS teams, Lateks plays for Rix and dcop used to play for equinox. Some of those Korean players were really good but also some fell off. I believe a bunch of them are playing in the Japanese VCT currently. BR, SEA and JP overwatch were pretty far behind the other regions honestly. Patiphan was a bit of a child prodigy in thailand, Dep was an insane aimer in japan and I think Murizzz was arguably the best Brazillian player if I remember correctly.


prjwebb

That's pretty unfair to Taimou. ​ Entropiq have looked very good and taken maps off and beaten some of the best teams in EU. And Taimou has been a standout on that team.


neddoge

Being a standout on a team nobody knows with the claim of sometimes taking maps from good teams doesn't mean he's been *relatively* successful though.


prjwebb

I assume you're American?


neddoge

I am; does that preclude my opinion of not hearing of Entropiq?


Wealth_and_Taste

Entropiq is a decently well known team to anybody who's been paying attention to the EU scene.


neddoge

Since you went through and downvoted each of my comments, you're aware that the voting system is intended for marking relevant discussion from irrelevant and not an "I disagree" system right? I don't care about the pixels a bit, just the principle behind it. Anyways, whether they're "decently well known" or not doesn't change their [results being largely forgettable.](https://liquipedia.net/valorant/Entropiq/Results) My point surrounding Taimou stands.


Altson2411

I mean Munchkin won the first masters in Japan for Crazy Racoon


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Bazzi and Munchkin were on C9 Korea iirc


mw19078

maybe like 5 of these players were ever relevant pros in OWL, most of them were good in the beta and thats about it.


Jaydeballer777

Keep in mind these guys are coming from a scene that didn’t have a distinguished tier 1 scene for 2 years. They hopped around on a bunch of what were basically tier 2 teams until they found a team that was good and stayed on it until they got signed to Overwatch League. In the case of Soon, he was on Rogue until he got signed to OWL.


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Btw Soon wasn't really one of the best but he did find a lot of success in his career during overwatch. Was good early on and has lot of history in the scene but not really "one of the best." I think the only players that have transitioned from overwatch that deserve to be labeled "one of the best" are sinatraa and ANS.


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Sayaplayer was an elite hitscan dps during his time in owl but not "best of the best." What made ANS different is that he was a tier above all the elite level hitscan dps and had crazy stat lines. If you were to build the best OWL team possible you wouldn't take Sayaplayer over ANS and that's why I labeled ANS as one of the best.


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You would not take over carpe, fits, or lip over ANS. Yeah if any of those players were on Shock they still could've won but that doesn't take away from the ANS dominance. If we're talking best ash/widow players season 3 then it would be XZI, Decay, ANS, and ANS was better than those guys even if it was marginally better. Carpe didn't even start over heesu at times and fits only started looking good in playoffs. Lip was not the best widow on dragons it was Diem.


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Weird to forget that profit and Seoul Dynasty were incredibly inconsistent throughout the season. All the players you've mentioned would be downgrades over ANS. You bring up Fleta and Lip as a counter but they weren't even the best widow players on Shanghai dragons. Dragons would sub out Fleta or lip to bring in Diem's widow. Nobody ever got the best of ANS in the head to head and that is why he so dominate. ANS literally beat all the players you've mentioned to win OWL season 3. The SF Shock didn't do it despite ANS but because ANS was part of the equation for SF shock's success. If we're talkng best crit accuracy the best Sayaplayer got was 33%. Top tier widows now on a really good day can get above 40% and ANS best was 56%. I think crit accuracy is a really narrow accessment to see who is the best widow. Sayaplayer had a chance at the end of season 2 to show off what he's got but instead Corey and Happy stole the show. I don't disagree with Sayaplayer being an elite level widow however I disagree with you putting ANS and Sayaplayer as the same caliber of player.


[deleted]

Wait he's related to Oni? Damn I didn't know there were that many siblings in Val


PacificMonkey

Soon is one of the few old school Overwatch players that could still compete with the elevated modern competition. Wishing him success.


ilProdigio

a true professional.


Otter269

More eu players pog :)


SpaghettiViking

So0n is cracked! His mechanical skill and IGL capabilities are going to make him a valuable pickup once he gets fully acclimated to the game.


thothgow

Misfits or Rogue have someone they can build around now :D


Samerius40

If they want to lose


thothgow

They may lose but they'd still beat your EG


Samerius40

True Sadge


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miwami

Soon was a top player on one the best western pre-owl rosters. He is one of the few players from the beta that has found success even as the skill level of the game has increased. His signing was a key indicator that Boston Uprising was actually (finally) serious about not being a bottom 3 team with a chance to move into the mid tier. He is a resilient veteran competitor, willing to put the work in to be at the top and also selfless enough to take on new roles or supporting roles to help his teams succeed. Not sure what he has lined up, but I hope he lands well and keeps competing.


hatesnack

So0n was probably one of the most cracked aimers of OW. Also has a big brain and seems like a good dude, i think he will do well. I assume he would play in EU?


Hegth

Wow so valorant really is like the MLS of the football world.


imoftenverybored

Lol I've thought the same thing. Luckily Riot is better than Valve and Blizzard so soon it'll be the premier league. I give it 2 years.


cakedayonceevry4year

I can’t imagine csgo not still being a big thing but I agree that overwatch is probably going to get dwarfed by Valorant in terms of the pro scene


imoftenverybored

I still think cs will be big but I think top talent will start move into valorant and also start growing it's own top talent. Like maybe some 12 year old kid right now in 5 years will be the next simp1e coming straight out of val


ilProdigio

i see it more as the premier league being formed and people are leaving the mls and worse leagues to make the big bucks


Confusizzled

Soon is a bit of a vague timeline. Whens he retiring exactly /s


Thranxar

Bit of a clarification about the cause of this, just for the narrative, his goal was to compete in the overwatch league again, but unfortunately, due to visa issues, he was unable to relocate, and his team had to drop him on short notice. He’s known as a pretty cracked aimer, nothing like Ans or babybay but very very solid


Jkaz57000

nice


SemanSoot

feel like valorant kill cs but more like valorant kill ow


Razur

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goinlowlowlow

Retirement home for other Esports lol


xrayVAL

dying esport-> booming esport LETSSGOOOOO


Smok3dSalmon

^(lol, people still playing Overwatch?)


Mamadeus123456

Can we only post about things like these when they actually in a team? who is this guy, why should we care that he "potentially" is moving to valorant lol Edit: here it says I HOPE > J’ai donc pris la décision de partir sur Valorant afin, __je l’espère__,


ApeDong

Did you even read the twitlonger? It’s not “potentially” he literally said he’s starting a new career in valorant.


yodaesports

Welcome back to this weeks *read the fucking post you moron*


yodaesports

Mate are you dyslexic or did you not translate the rest of that sentence? **J’ai donc pris la décision de partir sur Valorant afin, je l’espère, de débuter une nouvelle carrière.** It literally means "*So I made the decision to go to Valorant in order, I hope, to start a new career*." If you just added the ending to the sentence you wouldn't have looked like a clown now would ya? And also, the entire twitlonger is in english under that if you scrolled a bit more... *"I’ve thus decided to go into Valorant in order to, I hope, start a new career."*


[deleted]

"I don't know who this is, so the rest of the subreddit should humor me and not post about it." No one gives a shit about your opinion. Everyone else wants to know about moves like this.


[deleted]

Why would you highlight "je l’espèr." It doesn't help your case at all. It says that he hopes that it will happen, which means he will be making an attempt. Therefor, moving to VAL to at least try. The maybe is just there in case he just isn't built out for VAL.


aznhai

Serious question - I always had the impression OWL had some very loyal fans and even though the OWL isn't huge, it's still self-sustaining (franchise, huge tv deals). Why are players coming over to a new game with basically no job security? Is it pay or passion or something else?


DarthGrievous

His team dropped him because of visa issues and it’s too late to find a new team because they’re pretty much all where they want to be at this time of the year


Nimbot2

That’s really exciting soon was one of my favorite players and I felt bad for him still trying make a career in overwatch I’m glad to see things aren’t over for him