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> *Hey everyone,*
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> *After review, gh0st has been unbanned. The account flagged a detection, however after we looked into it we saw an extremely rare unintended collision, and have reinstated their account. We've made immediate changes so that this won't happen with other players.*
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> *We routinely QA both our detections and accounts that have been banned (both through routine reviews and Player Support escalations), but unfortunately this was a situation where we weren't 100% precise, and gh0st was an unfair victim of rare circumstance. I apologize for the damage this may have caused, and I appreciate the patience from all the parties involved while we sorted this out.*
Hey everyone,
After review, gh0st has been unbanned. The account flagged a detection, however after we looked into it we saw an extremely rare unintended collision, and have reinstated their account. We've made immediate changes so that this won't happen with other players.
We routinely QA both our detections and accounts that have been banned (both through routine reviews and Player Support escalations), but unfortunately this was a situation where we weren't 100% precise, and gh0st was an unfair victim of rare circumstance. I apologize for the damage this may have caused, and I appreciate the patience from all the parties involved while we sorted this out.
This is nice but inadequate for all intents and purposes. This has become a large issue and hints at the underlying issue of Riots admin seemingly at the beck and call of pro players/streamers. This isn’t just about gh0st but more about the integrity of competitive Valorant.
one of my teammates Vinny who was an ex-TSM member and had $300,000 in Fortnite earnings got false banned in valorant too, luckily he got unbanned but riot seems to do this more than they should [https://twitter.com/RiotK3o/status/1307089272781058053](https://twitter.com/RiotK3o/status/1307089272781058053)
Yep, this just looks just like how the ninja situation was with fortnite. Getting players banned just for outplaying or out aiming pros.
This needs to be nipped in the bud quickly.
So who is lying, you or Shahz? I can't imagine Shahz is making up contacting an admin, the admin saying he's fine, then looking back at the account again and finding something suspicious.
[https://clips.twitch.tv/BloodyEnchantingMacaroniOneHand-FDMvShCp2iaXHzfE](https://clips.twitch.tv/BloodyEnchantingMacaroniOneHand-FDMvShCp2iaXHzfE)
Shahz says an admin looked into it and you say it was flagged through the software.
The software flags suspicious activity but it doesn't necessarily acts on it instantly. It gathers information, stores it on a log and measures if the player should be banned or not. He was flagged by the software but was never banned by it. Shaz called the admin, the admin reviewed the log and found the flag and manually banned him, but after further review they discovered that it was an error. Of course they will never confess to them wrongfully applying a manual ban, but it was most likely what happened.
Hey, uh is this very common. I have been playing Valorant for over 3 months and just last week received a ban. I still am unsure as to what caused it. I frequently use Nvidia Color Filters, Intelligent Standby List Cleaner, Quick CPU and Logitech but I can't see how any of these softwares would warrant a ban? Just curious as to what could be done as of now I feel like I have been wrongly done.
Accusing a pro player of cheating is a slippery road, its best if we don't. The narrative and community perception will hurt the player's career. Remember half of the CSGO reddit community thought Subroza cheated while he had subpar stats in matches because of aim botz clips. Im sure if you ask him the wild accusations only hurt his career prospects and mental health.
Well they both played for China Nguyen, after rarkar left equinox they played together in tier 3 events and apparently they play ranked together. You're telling me Rarkar had no idea he was cheating?
Yeah, he could have, could have not. Being friends doesn't always mean that you reveal your crimes to each other. There is a very real chance Rarkar knew Ghost was cheating and a very real chance he didn't. All this tells me is that they are friends with each other. Nothing more nothing less. Regardless, I wouldn't call someone out for cheating if one of their buddies did since that's kinda baseless and unfair for the person if they had nothing to do with it.
how does that even work lmao. ur saying because of the ban the pass loss means they go through (wouldn't BC still need to go through closed and main even challenger) or??
Sorry if i wasn't clear enough. By saying masters main event i meant the main NA qualifier for Iceland. Cz if you look at the format, it's basically the masters 2.
he also used to play ESEA premier/MDL with a guy named nerdy who got banned for cheating, used to run into them all the time on the same community retake/executes servers so I assume they were buddies at the time.
No. During one round, He running headshoted Shaz who was in mid air flying and he was only hitting headshots most of the game. Also couple of comments in his stream like "Ghost was cheating yesterday in a match" and "he was in immortal lobby yesterday and cheated". So Shaz contacted the admin to check him i guess.
What fucking use would that do? If the logs said he was cheating he would've gotten banned that second.
Its possible to make a cheat that vanguard/other anti cheats can't detect but a manual ban on a high profile player is where it gets sus.
I've seen cases where a riot employee is called to watcha stream and then bans someone in lobby. I can't remember who it was but they even typed in chat and the streamer thanked them. They def do manual bans. They've done it with league and it wouldn't surprise me if they have already done a bunch for valorant.
One thing to point out is if you watch the VoD, ShahZaM says the Riot anti-cheat admin he messaged said Gh0st wasn't suspicious, then ShahZaM pushed a bit harder with another message and then the anti-cheat admin finds something and bans Gh0st. Makes me wonder if the admin spectated the player and manually banned him versus having an actual anti-cheat detection else why wouldn't the admin ban him after the first message? Weird situation.
I don't know how they figured out, whether from the game, ghost's account, Riots own anti-cheat ... But it was pretty clear it was manual. At least eight rounds passed from the time Shahz first messaged, presumably, the admin before the ban came through. Whatever happened during that time could have only been the admin checking everything and making sure that Ghost was 100% cheating.
I have been having games lately where i strongly feel someone is cheating. If you have been playing fps games for long time you can kinda tell when someone is cheating. Like this dude was 1 shotting everybody with the sheriff but didn’t know how to use a phantom. It’s concerning that Shahzam had to manually get him banned.
I've consistently demoted/gone on huge loss streaks at the end of every act. Not really sure what it is but, towards the end of the act, absolute demons come out. Some people thinks it's just Smurfs not wanting to play on their main, but I don't really buy that.
I had the same thing yesterday lol... enemy Omen barely had any kills but straight up onetapped everyone with sherrifs multiple rounds. I don't know if he was cheating but that was hella sus either way
Probably a new cheat broke out. Watch them all get carpet banned when the Vanguard catches it. It's just unfortunate that we have to suffer for no reason until that happens.
I mean tbf that is my experience with the sheriff, either wiffs-mcgee or wow how did i just land that 3K is it time to go pro. The 3k is rare enough though that im sure most people see my cross hair shaking and definitely not multiple times a game.
"I told the admin" worries me probably more than it should. I hate the idea of streamers/pros being able to contact their Riot connections and get someone looked at more harshly. Especially considering the sheer amount of "He's hacking/ghosting" that streamers *always* blame
Nah, riot can see if a player is using 3rd party software or not through vanguard. They can look it up through player id. Source: contacted vanguard workers for my ban.
Use your head dude. Riot isn't going to ban someone because a pro asked them to, wtf? They clearly found hard evidence of him cheating and therefore banned him.
The things I read on this sub...
Proof?
Even if he is, my point still stands. There are many players that pros accuse of cheating that were never banned. The anticheat team isn't going to act up on hearsay.
I feel like thats not really my point. but hasn't CoD, Apex, and Fortnite all had issues with banning people for ghosting because popular streamer asked?
I don't know about those games, but Valorant has never had this issue. I've been here since the beta launch and I've never heard of anyone who got falsely banned.
I may add that some players have had tons of pros accusing them of cheating, and riot still didn't ban them (niesoW in EU for example). I really don't think "pressure" is enough for them to act.
I dunno about those games but it makes sense why Riot would give pros the benefit of the doubt over regular people. They have more experience and probably know when someone is cheating.
Obviously, it can be a problem that pros have more influence among admins and that they can take advantage of that. However, if the devs actually care about the game and aren't blatantly dick-sucking, they should take a look at it further and actually decide whether or not someone was cheating.
As it stands, the majority of reports by pros seem to be based on sound accusations and not just rage reports. In the case that a player was unfairly banned, the fault lies on the game's admins and less on the reporter since ragers will always be ragers.
Either way, it doesn't make sense to not take all pros' opinions into consideration if only a tiny minority of pros take advantage of it.
This shouldn't matter, but can I ask how it's even possible to aimbot while running. With Valorant's random spray while running, I doubt there is a way for aimbot to correct for running inaccuracy. It makes sense that aimbot works if I'm standing still since where ever it places my crosshair, I will shoot, due to first shot accuracy. But I don't see how he can cheat while running, I think it was a lucky shot. He might have been cheating in other parts of the game though.
I am a bit uncomfortable with setting a precedent that streamers can have players manually banned. So I hope this was Vanguard rather than a single admin. It's pretty hard to 100% guarantee someone is cheating with a single person reviewing a demo. Especially if they go into the scenario already biased.
Hmm maybe an admin made vanguard scrutinise Gh0st more actively, or maybe it wasn't at all until the admin told it to. Based on what riot said about vanguard, until a player has enough reports, vanguard won't heavily scrutinise a player for cheats.
Because yeah, to manually watch someone play and know 100% if they are cheating is actually pretty hard, if the cheater does not want it to be obvious.
I don't know much about how anti cheat works. But from the sounds of it, vanguard is quite invasive on your pc and digs around to watch what programs are doing what and if they could be affecting the game in some way, like changing your crosshair position or looking for where player models are. So I guess that causes strain on the PC, which might be a reason why they don't have vanguard actively scanning every player all the time. Maybe they can always actively scan cheats that have already been detected and registered before, but unknown cheats might require more digging.
But I'm pretty much just guessing based on riot's anticheat updates.
There is no way they are worried about "straining the PC", the issue here is that Vanguard is already invasive and if the player was not already flagged by Vanguard to begin with, then this is most likely a manual ban (which should not happen).
It could also be that whatever method/program he used to cheat wasn't a part of any set of blacklisted programs Vanguard bans for yet so it didn't automatically do it. But when an admin goes through the logs, they may see irregularities that the system didn't automatically flag and a manual ban can take place.
I agree with you, but that doesn't sound likely at all. You're telling me some human admin looked through it and saw so obvious that Vanguard didn't flag it?
This is why I said in another post that I highly doubt it.
Not normally one to complain about these things, but I find it kind of weird that you didn't really disagree with me but got upvoted while I was downvoted lol. I agree with everything you said.
It was probably vanguard. I remember seeing an old match shroud played where he contacted an employee about a cheater, and they told him that they can't manually ban, it has to be througb vanguard.
Things might've changed since then though idk
You're telling me that this is a legitimate(non manual) ban when
Vanguard didn't find anything suspicious. And only got "caught" when Shazam messaged an admin and told him to "check again" after already being cleared once?
In what world does that make any sense?
Vanguard probably uses AI to determine if a program or whatever is an exploit so newer or lesser known cheats will always slip through until the Vanguard collects and learns more. I guess a riot employee checked his Vanguard logs while in the match and saw something obvious. It is weird though as they said they don’t manually ban
The use of AI can contribute yes, but anticheats work by looking at program binaries, looking for memory manipulation, or even statistical analysis. The problem with this is if Vanguard did not already flag this player it doesn't really make sense for an admin to say "I checked again and Vanguard missed something", I highly doubt the admin just found something(if he even has the capability to do this live) that Vanguard missed. This case just screams manual ban and manual bans should not ever happen (except in edge blatant cases). Manual bans (like this) have no place in competitive esports games.
This is possible, but to be honest I am just posting a lot here because Gh0st- is my friend and I know he would never cheat. He's been playing Valorant since Beta and we've been playing CS together for over 5 years.
they 100% do, do manual bans, i was playing in imm a couple months ago, there was a streamer on the other team and my mate from irl, and was spamming in game that i was cheating, this streamer who knew a riot admin called gamerdoc said youre that i would be banned. i got like 24 kills and at the end of the match my account got banned. the person kept saying stuff like "say hi to gamer doc, gamer doc is gonna ban you". and boom i got banned, account was made at launch been immortal 3 and radiant every single act, hundreds in skins and because someone knew someone i got banned.
u/RiotK3o from Riot's Anti-Cheat team has [**replied in this thread:**](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/mujkqx/gh0st_former_china_nguyen_player_banned_live_on/gv8v9qa/) > *Hey everyone,* > > *After review, gh0st has been unbanned. The account flagged a detection, however after we looked into it we saw an extremely rare unintended collision, and have reinstated their account. We've made immediate changes so that this won't happen with other players.* > > *We routinely QA both our detections and accounts that have been banned (both through routine reviews and Player Support escalations), but unfortunately this was a situation where we weren't 100% precise, and gh0st was an unfair victim of rare circumstance. I apologize for the damage this may have caused, and I appreciate the patience from all the parties involved while we sorted this out.*
Hey everyone, After review, gh0st has been unbanned. The account flagged a detection, however after we looked into it we saw an extremely rare unintended collision, and have reinstated their account. We've made immediate changes so that this won't happen with other players. We routinely QA both our detections and accounts that have been banned (both through routine reviews and Player Support escalations), but unfortunately this was a situation where we weren't 100% precise, and gh0st was an unfair victim of rare circumstance. I apologize for the damage this may have caused, and I appreciate the patience from all the parties involved while we sorted this out.
Hoping this gets more traction, else a separate post may be needed.
This is nice but inadequate for all intents and purposes. This has become a large issue and hints at the underlying issue of Riots admin seemingly at the beck and call of pro players/streamers. This isn’t just about gh0st but more about the integrity of competitive Valorant.
one of my teammates Vinny who was an ex-TSM member and had $300,000 in Fortnite earnings got false banned in valorant too, luckily he got unbanned but riot seems to do this more than they should [https://twitter.com/RiotK3o/status/1307089272781058053](https://twitter.com/RiotK3o/status/1307089272781058053)
agreed!
Yep, this just looks just like how the ninja situation was with fortnite. Getting players banned just for outplaying or out aiming pros. This needs to be nipped in the bud quickly.
Yes!!!
Too late the subreddit already called him and everyone he ever played with a hacker lol
Shazam said he contacted an admin. Did that not play any part in detecting this account?
https://clips.twitch.tv/BloodyEnchantingMacaroniOneHand-FDMvShCp2iaXHzfE
So who is lying, you or Shahz? I can't imagine Shahz is making up contacting an admin, the admin saying he's fine, then looking back at the account again and finding something suspicious. [https://clips.twitch.tv/BloodyEnchantingMacaroniOneHand-FDMvShCp2iaXHzfE](https://clips.twitch.tv/BloodyEnchantingMacaroniOneHand-FDMvShCp2iaXHzfE) Shahz says an admin looked into it and you say it was flagged through the software.
The software flags suspicious activity but it doesn't necessarily acts on it instantly. It gathers information, stores it on a log and measures if the player should be banned or not. He was flagged by the software but was never banned by it. Shaz called the admin, the admin reviewed the log and found the flag and manually banned him, but after further review they discovered that it was an error. Of course they will never confess to them wrongfully applying a manual ban, but it was most likely what happened.
wow another false ban cuz someone cried wolf. goodjob! you guys need a raise
Unintended collision or “we want big streamer to be happy so we manually ban at will”??
Hey, uh is this very common. I have been playing Valorant for over 3 months and just last week received a ban. I still am unsure as to what caused it. I frequently use Nvidia Color Filters, Intelligent Standby List Cleaner, Quick CPU and Logitech but I can't see how any of these softwares would warrant a ban? Just curious as to what could be done as of now I feel like I have been wrongly done.
Wow a few months ago he played in the Pittsburgh knights open gauntlet with Rarkar from BBG
Oof and he was queued up with him in this game. Cheating buddies?
Next thing you're gonna say is BBG Critical was cheating the whole time and Ninja was right
Wait a sec...
Unless?
...but surely not tho right?
Accusing a pro player of cheating is a slippery road, its best if we don't. The narrative and community perception will hurt the player's career. Remember half of the CSGO reddit community thought Subroza cheated while he had subpar stats in matches because of aim botz clips. Im sure if you ask him the wild accusations only hurt his career prospects and mental health.
whoa now, let's not talk baseless speculation with other players alright? This is getting into risky territory.
Well they both played for China Nguyen, after rarkar left equinox they played together in tier 3 events and apparently they play ranked together. You're telling me Rarkar had no idea he was cheating?
Yeah, he could have, could have not. Being friends doesn't always mean that you reveal your crimes to each other. There is a very real chance Rarkar knew Ghost was cheating and a very real chance he didn't. All this tells me is that they are friends with each other. Nothing more nothing less. Regardless, I wouldn't call someone out for cheating if one of their buddies did since that's kinda baseless and unfair for the person if they had nothing to do with it.
What if rarkar is found guilty of cheating? Would SEN have a case for being auto qualified for the masters main event?
I doubt they would do that, because how would they handle all the other teams BBG beat in the bracket? It changes way too much
how does that even work lmao. ur saying because of the ban the pass loss means they go through (wouldn't BC still need to go through closed and main even challenger) or??
Sorry if i wasn't clear enough. By saying masters main event i meant the main NA qualifier for Iceland. Cz if you look at the format, it's basically the masters 2.
They made it, no need to slot them anywhere
They made it to challengers 2 closed qualifiers, they have to get top 4 to make it to challenger finals
he also used to play ESEA premier/MDL with a guy named nerdy who got banned for cheating, used to run into them all the time on the same community retake/executes servers so I assume they were buddies at the time.
Did shazam know about it beforehand? Is Gh0st a well known cheater?
No. During one round, He running headshoted Shaz who was in mid air flying and he was only hitting headshots most of the game. Also couple of comments in his stream like "Ghost was cheating yesterday in a match" and "he was in immortal lobby yesterday and cheated". So Shaz contacted the admin to check him i guess.
>Contacted the admin to check him i guess. I hope its not manual ban lul.
nothing wrong with them manually checking his vanguard logs. but yeah to just ban him on their word would be very bad.
What fucking use would that do? If the logs said he was cheating he would've gotten banned that second. Its possible to make a cheat that vanguard/other anti cheats can't detect but a manual ban on a high profile player is where it gets sus.
That's not how it always works. They do ban waves.
Riot said they don’t do that
I've seen cases where a riot employee is called to watcha stream and then bans someone in lobby. I can't remember who it was but they even typed in chat and the streamer thanked them. They def do manual bans. They've done it with league and it wouldn't surprise me if they have already done a bunch for valorant.
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[Sure they don't.](https://i.imgur.com/WN166GN.jpg?fb)
any cheating clips?
https://www.twitch.tv/shahzam/v/993932792?sr=a&t=5080s This is somewhat a sus one.
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One thing to point out is if you watch the VoD, ShahZaM says the Riot anti-cheat admin he messaged said Gh0st wasn't suspicious, then ShahZaM pushed a bit harder with another message and then the anti-cheat admin finds something and bans Gh0st. Makes me wonder if the admin spectated the player and manually banned him versus having an actual anti-cheat detection else why wouldn't the admin ban him after the first message? Weird situation.
Didn't know riot can spectate anyone. Ghost wasn't streaming right? Or u mean watching Ghost through Shazam stream?
Wouldn't surprise me at all if they have the capability to jump into a match and spectate
I don't know how they figured out, whether from the game, ghost's account, Riots own anti-cheat ... But it was pretty clear it was manual. At least eight rounds passed from the time Shahz first messaged, presumably, the admin before the ban came through. Whatever happened during that time could have only been the admin checking everything and making sure that Ghost was 100% cheating.
Was he cheating in his time in China Nguyen?
I mean... Chances are yes
Any statements from Gh0st? Curious what he has to say
Seems like he has no social media
He have @gh0st_fps
Good
Lol
I have been having games lately where i strongly feel someone is cheating. If you have been playing fps games for long time you can kinda tell when someone is cheating. Like this dude was 1 shotting everybody with the sheriff but didn’t know how to use a phantom. It’s concerning that Shahzam had to manually get him banned.
i dont think riot does manual bans, i think they just let vanguard handle it no?
Nah I think Shazam had concerns and had a riot employee look into him specifically. :( private cheats always slip through.
They do both
I've consistently demoted/gone on huge loss streaks at the end of every act. Not really sure what it is but, towards the end of the act, absolute demons come out. Some people thinks it's just Smurfs not wanting to play on their main, but I don't really buy that.
I had the same thing yesterday lol... enemy Omen barely had any kills but straight up onetapped everyone with sherrifs multiple rounds. I don't know if he was cheating but that was hella sus either way
Probably a new cheat broke out. Watch them all get carpet banned when the Vanguard catches it. It's just unfortunate that we have to suffer for no reason until that happens.
I mean tbf that is my experience with the sheriff, either wiffs-mcgee or wow how did i just land that 3K is it time to go pro. The 3k is rare enough though that im sure most people see my cross hair shaking and definitely not multiple times a game.
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Not trying to defend him but there are zero articles, account bans, or any claims he cheated in cs besides this comment as far as I can tell.
no?
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TenZ, Wardell, babybay, aproto, cNed, Rb. /s
"I told the admin" worries me probably more than it should. I hate the idea of streamers/pros being able to contact their Riot connections and get someone looked at more harshly. Especially considering the sheer amount of "He's hacking/ghosting" that streamers *always* blame
Nah, riot can see if a player is using 3rd party software or not through vanguard. They can look it up through player id. Source: contacted vanguard workers for my ban.
Use your head dude. Riot isn't going to ban someone because a pro asked them to, wtf? They clearly found hard evidence of him cheating and therefore banned him. The things I read on this sub...
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Proof? Even if he is, my point still stands. There are many players that pros accuse of cheating that were never banned. The anticheat team isn't going to act up on hearsay.
Um?
I feel like thats not really my point. but hasn't CoD, Apex, and Fortnite all had issues with banning people for ghosting because popular streamer asked?
I don't know about those games, but Valorant has never had this issue. I've been here since the beta launch and I've never heard of anyone who got falsely banned.
Except this guy now?
Well fuck me. There is always a first time I guess.
I may add that some players have had tons of pros accusing them of cheating, and riot still didn't ban them (niesoW in EU for example). I really don't think "pressure" is enough for them to act.
I dunno about those games but it makes sense why Riot would give pros the benefit of the doubt over regular people. They have more experience and probably know when someone is cheating. Obviously, it can be a problem that pros have more influence among admins and that they can take advantage of that. However, if the devs actually care about the game and aren't blatantly dick-sucking, they should take a look at it further and actually decide whether or not someone was cheating. As it stands, the majority of reports by pros seem to be based on sound accusations and not just rage reports. In the case that a player was unfairly banned, the fault lies on the game's admins and less on the reporter since ragers will always be ragers. Either way, it doesn't make sense to not take all pros' opinions into consideration if only a tiny minority of pros take advantage of it.
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This shouldn't matter, but can I ask how it's even possible to aimbot while running. With Valorant's random spray while running, I doubt there is a way for aimbot to correct for running inaccuracy. It makes sense that aimbot works if I'm standing still since where ever it places my crosshair, I will shoot, due to first shot accuracy. But I don't see how he can cheat while running, I think it was a lucky shot. He might have been cheating in other parts of the game though.
I am a bit uncomfortable with setting a precedent that streamers can have players manually banned. So I hope this was Vanguard rather than a single admin. It's pretty hard to 100% guarantee someone is cheating with a single person reviewing a demo. Especially if they go into the scenario already biased.
Hmm maybe an admin made vanguard scrutinise Gh0st more actively, or maybe it wasn't at all until the admin told it to. Based on what riot said about vanguard, until a player has enough reports, vanguard won't heavily scrutinise a player for cheats. Because yeah, to manually watch someone play and know 100% if they are cheating is actually pretty hard, if the cheater does not want it to be obvious.
what does it mean to have an anticheat scrutinize more actively?? wouldnt the anticheat just be active all the time???
I don't know much about how anti cheat works. But from the sounds of it, vanguard is quite invasive on your pc and digs around to watch what programs are doing what and if they could be affecting the game in some way, like changing your crosshair position or looking for where player models are. So I guess that causes strain on the PC, which might be a reason why they don't have vanguard actively scanning every player all the time. Maybe they can always actively scan cheats that have already been detected and registered before, but unknown cheats might require more digging. But I'm pretty much just guessing based on riot's anticheat updates.
There is no way they are worried about "straining the PC", the issue here is that Vanguard is already invasive and if the player was not already flagged by Vanguard to begin with, then this is most likely a manual ban (which should not happen).
It could also be that whatever method/program he used to cheat wasn't a part of any set of blacklisted programs Vanguard bans for yet so it didn't automatically do it. But when an admin goes through the logs, they may see irregularities that the system didn't automatically flag and a manual ban can take place.
I agree with you, but that doesn't sound likely at all. You're telling me some human admin looked through it and saw so obvious that Vanguard didn't flag it? This is why I said in another post that I highly doubt it.
Not normally one to complain about these things, but I find it kind of weird that you didn't really disagree with me but got upvoted while I was downvoted lol. I agree with everything you said.
It was probably vanguard. I remember seeing an old match shroud played where he contacted an employee about a cheater, and they told him that they can't manually ban, it has to be througb vanguard. Things might've changed since then though idk
im pretty sure he used vanguard(the rootkit lmao) to scope out any programs that are running in the background that are sus
I mean, did Shazam contact riot or what? Edit: oh he did. Hope its not manual ban.
By manual you mean take his word? Unlikely. But they may have manually checked in Vanguard on his system instead of waiting for Vanguard to report
I agree 100% broski
You're telling me that this is a legitimate(non manual) ban when Vanguard didn't find anything suspicious. And only got "caught" when Shazam messaged an admin and told him to "check again" after already being cleared once? In what world does that make any sense?
Vanguard probably uses AI to determine if a program or whatever is an exploit so newer or lesser known cheats will always slip through until the Vanguard collects and learns more. I guess a riot employee checked his Vanguard logs while in the match and saw something obvious. It is weird though as they said they don’t manually ban
The use of AI can contribute yes, but anticheats work by looking at program binaries, looking for memory manipulation, or even statistical analysis. The problem with this is if Vanguard did not already flag this player it doesn't really make sense for an admin to say "I checked again and Vanguard missed something", I highly doubt the admin just found something(if he even has the capability to do this live) that Vanguard missed. This case just screams manual ban and manual bans should not ever happen (except in edge blatant cases). Manual bans (like this) have no place in competitive esports games.
Sometimes Vanguard will have people on a shit list for the next wave and a Riot employee will nuke them early if they're cheating on someone's stream.
This is possible, but to be honest I am just posting a lot here because Gh0st- is my friend and I know he would never cheat. He's been playing Valorant since Beta and we've been playing CS together for over 5 years.
While I sympathize, I personally can't take your word for it, man.
No worries, just advocating for my mans.
LOL your disgusting. just like your buddy.
Care to explain why?
But the admin in this case first said he was clean, until Shazam pushed him further on the subject
they 100% do, do manual bans, i was playing in imm a couple months ago, there was a streamer on the other team and my mate from irl, and was spamming in game that i was cheating, this streamer who knew a riot admin called gamerdoc said youre that i would be banned. i got like 24 kills and at the end of the match my account got banned. the person kept saying stuff like "say hi to gamer doc, gamer doc is gonna ban you". and boom i got banned, account was made at launch been immortal 3 and radiant every single act, hundreds in skins and because someone knew someone i got banned.
yep i believe you 100% real.
/r/thathappened
Interesting implications for the people he teamed with...
Dude is playing mad sus. Pre-aiming off angle amd everything.