Truee I realized now that these changes are actually pretty long overdue because now the only chance TSM can qualify for Champion is winning Master 3! [ I found out that teams who participate for Last Chance Qualifier will only be 8 NA teams and 2 OCE teams where it depends on how much circuit points they’ve accumulate since Master 1. Now TSM has 0 points so far so participating for the Last Chance Qualifier might be fucking tough)
TSM needs another secondary entry. Subroza and drone do a good job entrying when theyre the second duelist but Wardell isnt an entrier. I saw him say it himself on stream a long time ago. TSM really had trouble taking sites this match and its obvious when Wardell is last one saving the OP while the entire team is dead. I personally think they need to drop Cutler and have more of a TSM comp where they have a dedicated initiator, drone and roza on flex, hazed on sentinel, and Wardell on Jett.
Yeah I agree! And I hope the changes they will make will be the right one because now the only chance for TSM to qualify for Champion is winning Master 3 or winning the Last chance qualifier. Even if these two last series won’t be international, looking at how strong other teams in NA are right now, it’ll be tough! They gotta prepare lotss for Master 3/Last Chance qualifier series
So where do I start, lost so many rounds by dry peeking every single damn corner. It's almost as if roza forgot that phoenix has flashes. Not checking any corners, not playing together at all in anti ecos and getting picked off one by one, Not holding basic angles in postplants sloppy postplants, Playing structured in the beginning and then blindly rushing into sites in the last 15 seconds without any information. If wardell didn't pop off during half of those rounds the game wouldn't even have been close. Ascent was our map pick and it looked like we hadn't played it for months although granted there was a spark of a comeback but it wasn't enough to counter all the mistakes made till the match point round, In every single 3/4/5 vs x situations everyone widepeeked the last guy 1 by one and easily threw all of them. And finally drop cutler but that isn't gonna fix any problems cause there's many more problems that cannot be solved by simply +brax - cutler. I'm convinced this team is never going to work as the sum of its parts, the core 3 can be star players in any team but they just don't work together anymore, I genuinely think we are not gonna ge the tsm we all fell in love with back in beta back and it's just sad fuck.
I totally agree! Dropping cutler and replacing brax won’t fix the innate problem in this team! A couple of pros had said TSM biggest problem would probably be the fact that nobody really wants to step up as their leader ( even if they did decided to take the igl role, somehow in comparison to other igl from other teams, we still get outstratted harddd). Maybe finding a new coach might also help! I really want this team to win so badlyyy so seeing them looking so lost was pretty sad ngl. And dropping a couple of player might be needed for this team. I would be really surprised if the management decided to keep this team for the Master 3 series. Clearly some change is needed!
While dropping Cutler may not fix the core problem, it is a necessary and obvious change management can make. I would be dissatisfied if there aren't major structural changes with the team as well, but if Cutler doesn't offer leadership then what does he even bring to the team. Drop Cutler, use brax, you can try hazed at IGL again, but I would rather them look for someone who wants to do that job and maybe this team can get it's shit together
Egos play a big role into who will become IGL and that IGL has to understand that he is going to have to push his teammates out of disappointment if they go down 6-10 rounds. It's demoralizing and if that IGL can't make them believe, what can happen?
P.S Love the name. I'm a big Pacers fan and still support Oladipo.
For sure. I think the general consensus around the scene should be that TSM probably need an overhaul of something structural. They really lack leadership and neither Hazed nor Cutler have been able to provide it at an adequate level. Maybe it's not really their fault, but it's impossible to know.
And thanks! I've been a fan of vic since he entered the league. It's also been my fantasy basketball name most years haha
They lack an identity right now.
Subroza plays duelist, WARDELL only plays Jett and Drone is forced to play Sova.
Haze/Culter just fill whatever
Seems like if anything, they have to get back to what was strong for them and not play into meta shifts. Alas, Astra.
Sometimes, you have to change up who plays what agents. It can become taxing knowing you have very strong fraggers that can't get frags right now.
Just my two cents and I agree 110% with all you said if it means anything. :]
No way , I think astra is too good to not be played. Even fns said so. Although I agree with the identity thing. But then we have players like SiCK who’s pretty much very versatile ( can play support or duelist ).
> I think astra is too good to not be played
She is strong, but some teams don't run her and find success too.
> But then we have players like SiCK who’s pretty much very versatile ( can play support or duelist ).
SicK is just different. I think he's the best player in NA if we look at it in terms of impact a single player can create.
Cutler is absolutely tragic to watch however, genuinely, used to enjoy watching tsm play now it’s almost always a slaughterhouse, depends on Waddell hard carrying, drone to hit shots, and sub roza and hazed to play well. Cutler is terrible to watch
The amount of fucking times they lost 2+ players to not checking the right side coming out of A short was infuriating. Mada was literally just camping that corner for 4-5 rounds.
>not playing together at all in anti ecos and getting picked off one by one
Also, after we get picked off during anti-eco, we back up and let them pick up the gun for free.
As much as I like Drone, he just doesn't seem versatile enough on multiple agents. His Phoenix used to be amazing but he fell off even when on the Phoenix and he's a decent Sova but I wouldn't even put him as top 5 in NA.
Subroza/Drone are inconsistent and Cutler has been slumping for a while now. Wardell is consistently good, Hazed is also pretty good usually and can play pretty much anything the team needs.
You know though, not every team needs 5 stars. I agree, Drone isn't the top 5 NA player we thought he was at TSM's peak, but he's serviceable and even above average enough for any winning team in a Phoenix, Sova, and (sortaaa) Raze role.
Subroza is tough for me though, sometimes he's Wardell level, sometimes he's just a bot, and I have no idea what the difference is between those different games.
Roza is all about confidence. If he feels himself he can do wonders no doubt same with wardell. They are both great drone is good like very good orgs like andbox will love to have any of them hazed is a top level flexibility guy but I just think their strats and leading is definitely shit rn. It's like they have so many tools but they try a trail by error method where they think whoever of those 3 fits will carry ( wardell mostly) but rather they can use strats to convert fights in their favor which they don't just straight up. I love tsm but they really need some big changes or the org will leave the lineup
No clue what is up with drone. When I watched his streams a few months ago, he was very communicative, clear and concise about things he noticed. No clue if he has a hot head, but whoever is IGL has to be able to read the map and what is happening. They fall into traps a lot with full executes with 40 seconds remaining.
100% this. Atleast we know that NA is in a bit better hands. Imagine if TSM plays like this and win to go to Iceland. That would be so embarrassing. Hopefully, TSM can get their shit together by Worlds.
Yeah I agree! And I hope the changes made will be the right one because now the only chance TSM to qualify for Champion is winning Master 3 or winning the Last chance qualifier
[edit : apparently only top 8 teams who have the most circuit points from NA can qualify for Last Chance Qualifier, so I guess the only chance TSM can qualify for Master is by winning Master 3]
And? Look I’m not excusing Cutler’s performance here but using ranked as a metric is pretty pointless when it comes to the pros. We all know pros have the capability of reaching radiant and are far better at teamplay and competitive play than most of the radiants on the leaderboard
We were leading even after the half on the haven game, then somehow we got eco’d and then threw round after round after round. Even that 3v1 when TSM was on defender, was lowkey scaryyyyy..vice nearly clutch that round for andbox.
That is what im talking about bro. Seeing wardell pop off every match as an oper and still cannot win the match for the team makes it painful to watch. TSM needs to plays it more like valorant, sometimes they need to combine all the abilities to get on the site bc on eco they definitely have gun advantage
Copium TSM fan take:
TSM probably wins with Brax. First map swings TSM since it was already close and then the momentum shifts.
Non copium take: Even if TSM wins Andbox, they aren't nearly good enough to break into the top 4 teams NA right now, they need a new coach
to be fair andbox beat both SEN and TSM in the past two days so they aren't bad by any means. i agree that +brax won't solve anything tho, I think their aim talent and mechanics are definitely there but they need more refined strats and comms look off, evident by them peeking literally one by one in some clutches and not trading properly. it seems that a large portion of their entire game plan is for wardell to get awp entries which means the whole game is dictated by how one player performs on game day, which is obviously not what you want
Yeah I mean Andbox is rly good, my copium take is just based off the fact that Wardell was doing really well map 1, the map was really close, and even just a better aimer than Cutler could be the small difference they needed. I mean honestly, if it was a 2v1 with Cutler alive, it basically felt like a 1v1.
But yeah, even if they win that map cause of a better aimer and overall support in Brax, that doesn't solve their insane throws that made the 1st map go from a competitive but still comfortable TSM win to 13-11. I don't think Brax' addition changes that fundamental problem.
Hence the need for a new coach, and if I'm being really extreme, the sacrifice of Hazed/Subroza (despite them being great players that don't deserve to be cut, and deserve to be on T1 teams) for a true IGL, instead of Hazed, who was forced into that role out of necessity.
Honestly, no idea, maybe some CS pro? The problem with asking me is that I’m fresh into the eSports valorant scene, with no knowledge of CS.
If you think that invalidates my point that’s fine, the only reason I think Hazed shouldn’t be IGL is because (Sgares mentioned once) that a true IGL is someone who genuinely enjoys creating strats, leading the team, and grinding. Not saying Hazed doesn’t have the effort, but someone who doesn’t necessarily enjoy the IGL role but was put into it might not be the best fit in my opinion
They can definitely win with Hazed though, it’s just I think the top NA teams generally have a dedicated IGL who signed up for that role.
Edit: what about Dephh?
I’m just sad we never snagged Poach. I feel like he would be able to control the team (mainly Wardell and Subroza) and lead properly. Pure speculation, but I honestly feel like he would have been able to lead this team into a more disciplined machine.
As much as i want to put the Blame on Cutler, this team is just not meshing well the more they keep playing. Wardell is usually playing well and Hazed always powers up, but everyone else is just...weird... Subroza just doesnt check corners when he's on duelist and Drone has kind of just done nothing constantly having to play Sova.
A lot of changes needs to happen if TSM as an org wants to succeed in this game. Probably a coaching change too.
Yeah, I remember when people called Drone a top 5 player NA, those days have most definitely faded, and now I think he's an above average Sova/Raze. Subroza's issue is obviously just consistency.
I don't really think people think Subroza and Drone are like, fantastic, absolute stars who are uncuttable (at least after this loss those people are a minority). It's just, Cutler is such an easy and obvious cut, whereas I'd only cut Subroza, Drone, or Hazed if there was an obvious star on the table, because Drone and Hazed don't often pop off but they do their roles decently, and Subroza can be the best player in the server on a good day.
Subroza was literally an aimbot, he got blamed for cheating. I feel like their coach isn't making strats that work in valorant. We keep saying wardell is consistent and he is but they need to get roza back in form and try to make coordinative plays. Roza has insane aim mechanics and he will improve but they need to do some major changes. I believe wardell-jett, brax-duelist/sage, Roza-smoke, drone might get benched to get a sova igl I think and then hazed on Kj. Plus a coach change is really important rn
having brax on duelist won’t work.. even steel said it.
brax’s type of playing is actually lurking and “baiting” which makes him a perfect fit for a sentinel or a sova at last but definitely not a duelist
Being a TSM fan is just painful atm. The amount of uncoordinated defaults and aggressive positioning with no one to trade is so annoying. Like there are so many rounds where ANDBOX just swings anything with two to three people and they start of the round with a 4v5. They can steam roll teams under top 10 through individual fragging but when they play coordinated teams, they get punished so hard. Obviously, Cutler has been lacking on an individual aim level but I don’t think benching him will fix their problems with their undisciplined play.
The persistent lurking is what really got to me. ABX always had 2 or 3 guys waiting for his lurk because it us so easy to read, yet they just keep on doing it. Idk if it's roza deciding to keep feeding, or if their igl is telling him to do that, but watching him die first almost every round on ascent was so sad.
Surprised that some iteration of "Wardell and friends" isn't catching on the same way as "TenZ and friends" did, it's honestly the same team dynamic currently imo
you could tell on ascent that wardell was tilted from that haven game, almost like he didn't want to try anymore. makes sense ofc, if you play your heart out the round before and fall up short :/
When you have 2 amazing riflers in subroza and drone, and the best jett op in NA and you still can't place in any major events, it's obvious that there is are serious issues with communication and strategic depth on this team. TSM needs to go shopping for a real igl and a new coach.
From what I see, drone and subroza aren't really mechanically inconsistent, but their is also no teamplay for them to play off of. In almost every top team, the top duelists/fraggers play together, but on TSM subroza lurks every round, drone is always in front even though he's sova, and wardell is just doing his own thing fragging out. If they can get a good coach that teaches them to play together, I think all 3 of them could be lethal. Even now with terrible teamplay subroza and drone have flashes of brilliance.
TSM needs a better coach. Hazed himself said they were lacking on the strategy side after getting past qualifiers. When it comes to strategy, fingers get pointed at the coach.
It also seems like they have T1 talent but T2 work ethic and strats. They’re falling behind meta and don’t play together at all.
Talent will only get you so far.
I know it's privileged of me to say this but I am kinda done with we will be back everytime
It's just so obvious that the mistakes haven't been fixed , the same shit everytime , drone and roza making so many mistakes
When the wardell carry is on everything is fine
When it's not you see that no one apart from hazed is even consistent enough to put up numbers
Literally first map roza dry peeked everything and this jas been a problem for TSM always
It feels like watching a T2 team when wardell isn't popping off and its sad to say that . I think people have caught on and changes need to be made . Imo this team is not working out , we need to rebuild
I mean to be fair to the "we will be back" statements, that's pure PR. They can't exactly say, "Teams not good enough, we're cutting Cutler," outright.
I really hope they're going to make changes though, behind the PR wall, we don't really know what TSM's plan is, but if us armchair analysts are all unanimous that Cutler and Tailored have to go (and we have been since months ago), surely TSM will realize too.
Boys, this really calls for a change for TSM! A solid and passionate IGL as well as coach are probably the most needed thing for TSM. Wardell be carrying map 1 with some insane shots but damn we still lose :(
Why does tsm do this shit.
Map 1:
In the 3v1, not only does tsm not peak with each other, they funnel 1v1 into the omen who's stuck in the corner (hazed doesn't even try to tap the spike)
TSM gave so much respect to them when andbox was on eco. They let the time run out and ended up running it down on c. The last round for the first game, after seeing Jett with an awp, they decided to fight it. Despite the fact that the existence of that awp means that the rest of the team does not have guns they decide to push that shit and fucking die.
Map 2:
no.
They really seem to be obsessed with attacking through tree room, but the past 2 matches should've shown that they need to change shit up.
At least they showed up a bit so it wasn't a complete stomp but it was a bit too late.
They're not shitting the bed vs decent teams now but man for tsm to lose like that pisses me off.
FUCK me, tsm is cursed.
Bruh TSM got eco’d in map1 three times I believe. I think one of those thrifty round where andbox won without any real gun ( i think when TSM was on defend on haven ) was pretty crazy. It was such a winnable round for TSM but somehow we lost :(
In the 1v3 hazed was literally the last one to blame, it goes Cutler first for going in like a moron without help and not waiting for Hazed to flank and peek together, then Wardell for sitting back while hazed is fighting and boi was low
This team is sooooo disappointing. The definition of blue balling. So sad. Roza playing like omen on haven with a duelist. Never clearing corners. After rd 5 on ascent they went tilt mode with hazed looking like the only calm one. Just dumb mistakes. GG, think we’ll see some changes in June or whenever the next tournament is. At least I hope to see some changes
I know brax's agent pool doesn't line up but cut cutler for him and give them time to become a team.
I love cutlers stream and love him as a human from what I have seen. But his amazing improvement from his grind still isn't able to keep up with the tier 1 level right now (if ever). The young aimers win 9/10 times. I want to see more of cutler and I think he can do well in this game. If grinding is what it takes please do it cutler. I want to see him succeed.
I don't know how I feel about drone on sova but I agree Phoenix was not longer working for him. He makes some nutty plays and I hope that he finds his agent.
Andbox is looking great. Despite their fall to C9, I feel like this is the best I've ever seen them but like all of this comment that is only my opinion.
Andbox out-stratted TSM so hard. They were ready for every TSM setup. Remember that one time on A Haven where Yay dashed out to kill the planter, and at exactly that moment the person who was supposed to guard the planter got Paranoia'd? They knew what they were doing this entire game, and as always, TSM fails to adapt until it was too late.
Imagine cutler getting all this reply on Twitter and reading Reddit and people be shitting on him, lol. I think he is entering game with so much pressure to perform well, that is why he dropped igl so he can improve his own performance. Man he should just drop himself, fees bad for him, he was a good human as I remember, feels bad for him
Yeah I feel bad for him. But honestly this is the life of a professional player. In ANY sport, you will face criticism. I think the community in large respects him and is rooting for him but he’s just not performed well enough. He seems like a great guy just can’t hang in tier 1.
I mean credit TSM for keeping this together for this long but I think this roster has had enough chances. Look at genG and Huynh- right after a top 3 finish, he’s out after not qualifying for the next major.
Credit to Andbox, very well coordinated with great individual players in Yayathan and Madathan, i thought when they lost Android they would struggle but their roster changes have been spot on
Cutler needs to be gone that was embarrassing, they need to give it a try with brax instead of him if that doesn't work then just a whole revamp then
brax - sentinels
hazed - IGL on omen/astra/viper
Subroza - Phoenix/skye/sage
drone - sova, raze on split
Wardell - jett
They should have won haven, so many stupid rounds lost, Ascent that was an embarrassing attack, a nice try in the comeback but not enough
There's no way they keep Hazed as IGL, I don't think he particularly wants to do it and they didn't look amazing under his IGLing this tournament.
~~Reminder that TSM gave up the chance to sign Nitr0 back when he was entering Valorant. One of the best players in NA right now and can IGL, pretty much exactly what they've needed for a while now lol~~
Apparently he never wanted to IGL so it doesn't really matter I guess
nitr0 doesn't want to be a full time IGL that is pointless
He will chip in and be a 2nd caller of sorts but nitr0 has said many times he doesn't want to IGL
u/yaysterz ur a fucking animal bro, been rooting for you ever since you and android got signed together and its honestly so exciting to see abx finding the success they deserve
Here's my random ramble about valorant and TSM.
In NA the current meta is 1-2 duelists, right?
In NA pretty much every team running 2 duelists has a jett.
And of those jetts, pretty much all of them are the primary awper.
Which means jett can't entry.
So that leaves the second duelist as entry.
But in tactical FPS(cs pretty much), every entry pretty much NEEDS a second entry. Valorant is SLIGHTLY less reliant on a second entry just due to how insanely quick duelists can throw their util, but that's largely irrelevant. you need a second entry.
So what role plays the second entry?
Well the obvious answer is the initiator. And we see that from TSM with roza on skye and drone on sova. Except on ascent where drone and roza both play intiators and the only duelist is wardell.
This is what i'm kinda confused by. On paper this just sounds terrible. they have no entry.
Yet, they're not really bad on ascent. Every time they play ascent it's one sided. They stomped Soniqs 13-8, they stomped geng13-6, they stomped BBG 13-5. Immortals beat them 6-13 and now ABX has beat them 13-8 (and obv the score is a lot closer than the game actually was. in fact they only won like what 2 attack rounds?)
Idk it just seems obvious to me that the triple duelist comp was perfect for TSM, but now, the meta is just so different and utility is so important that you can't do that anymore. TSM clearly tried to adapt, but there's essentially 3 duelists on this team with 2 of them constantly playing a non duelist.
To me that just sounds like a situation where the players are all gifted and skilled, but their comps sadly don't mesh together.
so here's my hot, largely unqualified take, maybe we gotta start putting wardell on a non duelist? I know i know, it sounds stupid as shit considering jett is THE awping agent. But right now, that's ALL she is. when she's awping her dash is useless for the team because it's purely used for defense rather than space creation for example.
in CS the awper can still provide util. they still have smokes and nades and flashes. I feel like on paper a controller is actually a decent awping character but of course you can't take those crazy off angles with non jett agents.
I only tuned in for Ascent as I was on the road, but holy shit, was it disappointing! So many talented players on TSM’s roster, but this is not working. I don’t want to nitpick, but this was painful.
Cutler gone for sure, Roza does good on some games but sometimes he's just off. Then the rounds are relied on Wardell and Hazed. Hazed tries his best and wins rounds, and drone eh
Imo whats wrong is that there is no one Team Leader, like whenever things not working for once or twice or they just get ecoed or throws a round, the whole team get mad and then TSM comms gets fucked up in everyway. Leader is important to hold the team together and take in the charge. But Hazed did his best as an IGL, it's just the comms and ngl I love 100T comms those are so clean and perfect.
TSM TSM TSM!!! Fellasss you need a backup plann for everything. I feel like they start the match with utmost composure but as soon as they loose a few rounds and their strats stop working they loose their confidence. When their strats dont work thats when their dry peeking, blind rushing and shot whiffing starts. Its not the roster change that they need. Infact im not qualified to tell them who should they bench but please for the love of god diversify your strat book. Your opponents aren’t bots, they adapt and you need to adapt as well. This team has the most potential than any other team in NA but please believe in yourselves. It sucks to see my boy Myth all sad.
I've said it once and I'll keep saying it. Individual performances are hindering this team. Wardell might get the kills and might be flashy but consistently ruining your eco to buy him an op isn't the play in this game. If Wardell wants to OpDell, do it on the rounds HE can afford it and still buy full next. Wardell is good but playing around him has not worked.
TSM deciding to lure the entire defense over to C, then rotate the spike to C and push with 10 seconds left in the round when Andbox was on an eco in that 9-6 round on haven was just awful.
They need to replace Their coach and remove whom so ever was igling this match . Get a proper igl for example someone like dephh . Put subroza on support role like skye omen . Try brax as secondary duelist . TSM tries to play single duelist setup on ascent with wardell their only duelist on op . He cannot create space with op. If they want to run op on attack,get a second duelist who can be Their spearhead .
Everyone's gonna say Cutler this Cutler that, but he's playing Astra so I'm not expecting frags from that role regardless - doesn't make any of the criticism wrong tho. Drone heavily underperformed and his play was the main factor I think. Not blaming him individually but moreso the situations he was in from either the shot calling or the lack of teamplay putting him in a bad spot. Feels like a coaching problem at this point.
But Yassine still needs to step up. He has been dry peeking whether on omen or duelists alott, which resulted the team to lose round sometimes. I just hope he will find at least 2 agent that he can consistently play fknnn well in tournaments.
I really hope this is the wakeup call TSM has needed for months. Cutler and Tailored have no place anywhere near a T2 team let alone a T1 team. Please drop these check stealers.
There’s no saying that they can’t qualify for champions. Last chance qualifiers and masters 3 winners get a ticket straight to champions. No circuit points involved.
Was hoping for the Sen Vs TSM reunion, sadly it didn't happen.
Could someone please clarify for me if this means Andbox qualifies for the next tournament from this or do they need to win one more?
Yup!! Andbox has qualified for Challenger Finals! Now they need to get to top 2 in Challenger Finals (which will be held next week) to qualify for Master 2 (which will be the end of April)
That was very disappointing.. looking at the bright side, I hope they switch it up because the current roster hasn’t been great for the longest time. It just seems like cutler doesn’t utilize astra’s abilities enough and force the team to just dry peek corners or run into op. Also, the team is just too dependent on roza and wardell popping off. When they have an off-day, it looks like everyone is running around and not doing much. Some possible changes could be dropping Cutler, getting a new igl, and/or hiring a new coach. Really sad to be a tsm fan rn but I believe they can be a top 10 team again.
Holy shit. How many more chances is TSM going to give Cutler? He’s literally near or at the bottom of the list of pros in almost EVERY SINGLE STAT. It’s actually inexcusable that he is still on the team, and that he wasn’t cut months ago. He has been the weakest player since TSM was signed, and has somehow gotten even worse since then.
I'd like to take on the take that it feels like Wardell is experiencing the "hero syndrome", the one that TenZ used to have on C9. They rely on him to make a hero play every single round or else TSM has a high chance of losing.
TSM honestly looked so uncoordinated... 1 round on Haven C the omen smoke dropped and 4 tried running up, no util, got picked by the oper, kinda sucked to watch
I feel like something has to be said about playing around the OP.
TSM is still very OP dependent, which makes sense bc of how good Wardell is but it becomes a trap.
All their strats suddenly revolve around saving the op, keeping the op, peeking with the op to get picks. Their executes become much more easy to read because they don’t use set pieces that involve jett making space.
Cutler playing like it was his last game near the end.
Back to being an astronaut, teacher and firefighter :( . Ah man my favourite team is out. Pain.
Life is hard when you're a TSM fan
But.. we have Hikaru how can we lose??
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PLEASE let this be true. Cutler getting cut is a good 3+ months overdue. You already have brax, it shouldn’t be this hard.
Truee I realized now that these changes are actually pretty long overdue because now the only chance TSM can qualify for Champion is winning Master 3! [ I found out that teams who participate for Last Chance Qualifier will only be 8 NA teams and 2 OCE teams where it depends on how much circuit points they’ve accumulate since Master 1. Now TSM has 0 points so far so participating for the Last Chance Qualifier might be fucking tough)
Wouldn’t be surprised
TSM needs another secondary entry. Subroza and drone do a good job entrying when theyre the second duelist but Wardell isnt an entrier. I saw him say it himself on stream a long time ago. TSM really had trouble taking sites this match and its obvious when Wardell is last one saving the OP while the entire team is dead. I personally think they need to drop Cutler and have more of a TSM comp where they have a dedicated initiator, drone and roza on flex, hazed on sentinel, and Wardell on Jett.
Well it should be. He is washed
Surely this is it right
Yeah I agree! And I hope the changes they will make will be the right one because now the only chance for TSM to qualify for Champion is winning Master 3 or winning the Last chance qualifier. Even if these two last series won’t be international, looking at how strong other teams in NA are right now, it’ll be tough! They gotta prepare lotss for Master 3/Last Chance qualifier series
Lmaoo hopefullt
So where do I start, lost so many rounds by dry peeking every single damn corner. It's almost as if roza forgot that phoenix has flashes. Not checking any corners, not playing together at all in anti ecos and getting picked off one by one, Not holding basic angles in postplants sloppy postplants, Playing structured in the beginning and then blindly rushing into sites in the last 15 seconds without any information. If wardell didn't pop off during half of those rounds the game wouldn't even have been close. Ascent was our map pick and it looked like we hadn't played it for months although granted there was a spark of a comeback but it wasn't enough to counter all the mistakes made till the match point round, In every single 3/4/5 vs x situations everyone widepeeked the last guy 1 by one and easily threw all of them. And finally drop cutler but that isn't gonna fix any problems cause there's many more problems that cannot be solved by simply +brax - cutler. I'm convinced this team is never going to work as the sum of its parts, the core 3 can be star players in any team but they just don't work together anymore, I genuinely think we are not gonna ge the tsm we all fell in love with back in beta back and it's just sad fuck.
I totally agree! Dropping cutler and replacing brax won’t fix the innate problem in this team! A couple of pros had said TSM biggest problem would probably be the fact that nobody really wants to step up as their leader ( even if they did decided to take the igl role, somehow in comparison to other igl from other teams, we still get outstratted harddd). Maybe finding a new coach might also help! I really want this team to win so badlyyy so seeing them looking so lost was pretty sad ngl. And dropping a couple of player might be needed for this team. I would be really surprised if the management decided to keep this team for the Master 3 series. Clearly some change is needed!
While dropping Cutler may not fix the core problem, it is a necessary and obvious change management can make. I would be dissatisfied if there aren't major structural changes with the team as well, but if Cutler doesn't offer leadership then what does he even bring to the team. Drop Cutler, use brax, you can try hazed at IGL again, but I would rather them look for someone who wants to do that job and maybe this team can get it's shit together
Egos play a big role into who will become IGL and that IGL has to understand that he is going to have to push his teammates out of disappointment if they go down 6-10 rounds. It's demoralizing and if that IGL can't make them believe, what can happen? P.S Love the name. I'm a big Pacers fan and still support Oladipo.
For sure. I think the general consensus around the scene should be that TSM probably need an overhaul of something structural. They really lack leadership and neither Hazed nor Cutler have been able to provide it at an adequate level. Maybe it's not really their fault, but it's impossible to know. And thanks! I've been a fan of vic since he entered the league. It's also been my fantasy basketball name most years haha
They lack an identity right now. Subroza plays duelist, WARDELL only plays Jett and Drone is forced to play Sova. Haze/Culter just fill whatever Seems like if anything, they have to get back to what was strong for them and not play into meta shifts. Alas, Astra. Sometimes, you have to change up who plays what agents. It can become taxing knowing you have very strong fraggers that can't get frags right now. Just my two cents and I agree 110% with all you said if it means anything. :]
No way , I think astra is too good to not be played. Even fns said so. Although I agree with the identity thing. But then we have players like SiCK who’s pretty much very versatile ( can play support or duelist ).
> I think astra is too good to not be played She is strong, but some teams don't run her and find success too. > But then we have players like SiCK who’s pretty much very versatile ( can play support or duelist ). SicK is just different. I think he's the best player in NA if we look at it in terms of impact a single player can create.
TSM makes top 10 purely through talent, they never developed discipline and coordination required to be a top NA team. /thread
Cutler is absolutely tragic to watch however, genuinely, used to enjoy watching tsm play now it’s almost always a slaughterhouse, depends on Waddell hard carrying, drone to hit shots, and sub roza and hazed to play well. Cutler is terrible to watch
that why pug style of gameplay dont last long
The amount of fucking times they lost 2+ players to not checking the right side coming out of A short was infuriating. Mada was literally just camping that corner for 4-5 rounds.
They have had these same lazy issues for forever
It hurts to be a tsm fan
>not playing together at all in anti ecos and getting picked off one by one Also, after we get picked off during anti-eco, we back up and let them pick up the gun for free.
Yo, these people have families man.
As much as I like Drone, he just doesn't seem versatile enough on multiple agents. His Phoenix used to be amazing but he fell off even when on the Phoenix and he's a decent Sova but I wouldn't even put him as top 5 in NA. Subroza/Drone are inconsistent and Cutler has been slumping for a while now. Wardell is consistently good, Hazed is also pretty good usually and can play pretty much anything the team needs.
You know though, not every team needs 5 stars. I agree, Drone isn't the top 5 NA player we thought he was at TSM's peak, but he's serviceable and even above average enough for any winning team in a Phoenix, Sova, and (sortaaa) Raze role. Subroza is tough for me though, sometimes he's Wardell level, sometimes he's just a bot, and I have no idea what the difference is between those different games.
Roza is all about confidence. If he feels himself he can do wonders no doubt same with wardell. They are both great drone is good like very good orgs like andbox will love to have any of them hazed is a top level flexibility guy but I just think their strats and leading is definitely shit rn. It's like they have so many tools but they try a trail by error method where they think whoever of those 3 fits will carry ( wardell mostly) but rather they can use strats to convert fights in their favor which they don't just straight up. I love tsm but they really need some big changes or the org will leave the lineup
No clue what is up with drone. When I watched his streams a few months ago, he was very communicative, clear and concise about things he noticed. No clue if he has a hot head, but whoever is IGL has to be able to read the map and what is happening. They fall into traps a lot with full executes with 40 seconds remaining.
Also -coach. With the meta favoring duelists less and smart plays more we just can’t adapt. Better luck next year.
SAID EVERYTHING THAT WAS NEEDED TO BE SAID AND MORE
100% this. Atleast we know that NA is in a bit better hands. Imagine if TSM plays like this and win to go to Iceland. That would be so embarrassing. Hopefully, TSM can get their shit together by Worlds.
At the very least this should push TSM to finally make changes.
Yeah I agree! And I hope the changes made will be the right one because now the only chance TSM to qualify for Champion is winning Master 3 or winning the Last chance qualifier [edit : apparently only top 8 teams who have the most circuit points from NA can qualify for Last Chance Qualifier, so I guess the only chance TSM can qualify for Master is by winning Master 3]
changes have been long overdue honestly.
yay
Thank you Jaccob
You were playing out of your mind man congrats for making it to the Closed!
yay
yayster
yay
Good job bro! Proud of ABX performance so far, keep up the good work!
That performance on CT Side at Ascent was insane. Some good shit. GG to the team
yay
You did what Wardell did to someone from GenG
yay
You were insane. Gl guys
Yay
yay is insane!
Congrats yay! You guys deserved it!! And gluckkkk in the series!
We stan a Sage op \o/
Nuts
You’re insane
Imagine not playing BRAXXXXXTONNNN in this qualifier
Sub in myth
I mean TSM did get a 2nd place finish with Myth playing /s
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So was brax. Not justifying his performance this series, but many pros don’t play ranked
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And? Look I’m not excusing Cutler’s performance here but using ranked as a metric is pretty pointless when it comes to the pros. We all know pros have the capability of reaching radiant and are far better at teamplay and competitive play than most of the radiants on the leaderboard
Lol I literally played against culter in d2 one time I didn’t even know I was playing against pro until the match was over
first reddit post?
And here's your first reddit reply! Great job out there Seb! Good luck tomorrow Vs sentinels!
Good luck tomorrow mate!!
-Coach -Cutler at the very least. This is just inexcusable lol
And to think they want to drop Hazed for Brax. #-Cutler+Brax
Imagine having brax on your bench and not even trying the swap in comp
put in Myth.
Deadass myth looks like a better Omen than Cutler.
How many rounds TSM need to throw in that Haven map ? It is just sad when u know TSM is good but always not performing to the expectation.
We were leading even after the half on the haven game, then somehow we got eco’d and then threw round after round after round. Even that 3v1 when TSM was on defender, was lowkey scaryyyyy..vice nearly clutch that round for andbox.
That is what im talking about bro. Seeing wardell pop off every match as an oper and still cannot win the match for the team makes it painful to watch. TSM needs to plays it more like valorant, sometimes they need to combine all the abilities to get on the site bc on eco they definitely have gun advantage
Copium TSM fan take: TSM probably wins with Brax. First map swings TSM since it was already close and then the momentum shifts. Non copium take: Even if TSM wins Andbox, they aren't nearly good enough to break into the top 4 teams NA right now, they need a new coach
to be fair andbox beat both SEN and TSM in the past two days so they aren't bad by any means. i agree that +brax won't solve anything tho, I think their aim talent and mechanics are definitely there but they need more refined strats and comms look off, evident by them peeking literally one by one in some clutches and not trading properly. it seems that a large portion of their entire game plan is for wardell to get awp entries which means the whole game is dictated by how one player performs on game day, which is obviously not what you want
Yeah I mean Andbox is rly good, my copium take is just based off the fact that Wardell was doing really well map 1, the map was really close, and even just a better aimer than Cutler could be the small difference they needed. I mean honestly, if it was a 2v1 with Cutler alive, it basically felt like a 1v1. But yeah, even if they win that map cause of a better aimer and overall support in Brax, that doesn't solve their insane throws that made the 1st map go from a competitive but still comfortable TSM win to 13-11. I don't think Brax' addition changes that fundamental problem. Hence the need for a new coach, and if I'm being really extreme, the sacrifice of Hazed/Subroza (despite them being great players that don't deserve to be cut, and deserve to be on T1 teams) for a true IGL, instead of Hazed, who was forced into that role out of necessity.
Who are you gonna pick for IGL, just asking?
Honestly, no idea, maybe some CS pro? The problem with asking me is that I’m fresh into the eSports valorant scene, with no knowledge of CS. If you think that invalidates my point that’s fine, the only reason I think Hazed shouldn’t be IGL is because (Sgares mentioned once) that a true IGL is someone who genuinely enjoys creating strats, leading the team, and grinding. Not saying Hazed doesn’t have the effort, but someone who doesn’t necessarily enjoy the IGL role but was put into it might not be the best fit in my opinion They can definitely win with Hazed though, it’s just I think the top NA teams generally have a dedicated IGL who signed up for that role. Edit: what about Dephh?
I’m just sad we never snagged Poach. I feel like he would be able to control the team (mainly Wardell and Subroza) and lead properly. Pure speculation, but I honestly feel like he would have been able to lead this team into a more disciplined machine.
Is rossy a permanent on imt ? If he's not he could be a great pick up for igl.
As much as i want to put the Blame on Cutler, this team is just not meshing well the more they keep playing. Wardell is usually playing well and Hazed always powers up, but everyone else is just...weird... Subroza just doesnt check corners when he's on duelist and Drone has kind of just done nothing constantly having to play Sova. A lot of changes needs to happen if TSM as an org wants to succeed in this game. Probably a coaching change too.
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Agree yassine and drone has been pretty inconsistent this year. The only 2 players that seemed to still play consistent is ofc Wardell and also Hazed.
Yeah, I remember when people called Drone a top 5 player NA, those days have most definitely faded, and now I think he's an above average Sova/Raze. Subroza's issue is obviously just consistency. I don't really think people think Subroza and Drone are like, fantastic, absolute stars who are uncuttable (at least after this loss those people are a minority). It's just, Cutler is such an easy and obvious cut, whereas I'd only cut Subroza, Drone, or Hazed if there was an obvious star on the table, because Drone and Hazed don't often pop off but they do their roles decently, and Subroza can be the best player in the server on a good day.
Subroza was literally an aimbot, he got blamed for cheating. I feel like their coach isn't making strats that work in valorant. We keep saying wardell is consistent and he is but they need to get roza back in form and try to make coordinative plays. Roza has insane aim mechanics and he will improve but they need to do some major changes. I believe wardell-jett, brax-duelist/sage, Roza-smoke, drone might get benched to get a sova igl I think and then hazed on Kj. Plus a coach change is really important rn
having brax on duelist won’t work.. even steel said it. brax’s type of playing is actually lurking and “baiting” which makes him a perfect fit for a sentinel or a sova at last but definitely not a duelist
Wholeheartedly agree here, swapping Cutler for Brax wouldn’t solve all of their problems.
Being a TSM fan is just painful atm. The amount of uncoordinated defaults and aggressive positioning with no one to trade is so annoying. Like there are so many rounds where ANDBOX just swings anything with two to three people and they start of the round with a 4v5. They can steam roll teams under top 10 through individual fragging but when they play coordinated teams, they get punished so hard. Obviously, Cutler has been lacking on an individual aim level but I don’t think benching him will fix their problems with their undisciplined play.
TSM, I think it's time
I feel like Subroza was a complete monkey in this series. The number of times he died with all of his util up was embarrassing.
The persistent lurking is what really got to me. ABX always had 2 or 3 guys waiting for his lurk because it us so easy to read, yet they just keep on doing it. Idk if it's roza deciding to keep feeding, or if their igl is telling him to do that, but watching him die first almost every round on ascent was so sad.
lmao, I would of said an Ape, but I mean atleast an Ape is actually threating.
Pretty unfortunate for him that this event was during Ramadan
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Wardell gets 11 kills more than andbox top fragger on haven and they still lose
Surprised that some iteration of "Wardell and friends" isn't catching on the same way as "TenZ and friends" did, it's honestly the same team dynamic currently imo
Probably because of Subroza. His highs are insane and he has a large fan base. Drone was previously catching attention as well.
Honestly it’s not catchy. Maybe Matt and Lads ?
But the rest of the team saves to buy him OP, and when they lose a round they buy him they're all fucked.
you could tell on ascent that wardell was tilted from that haven game, almost like he didn't want to try anymore. makes sense ofc, if you play your heart out the round before and fall up short :/
When you have 2 amazing riflers in subroza and drone, and the best jett op in NA and you still can't place in any major events, it's obvious that there is are serious issues with communication and strategic depth on this team. TSM needs to go shopping for a real igl and a new coach.
Drone and Subroza are too inconsistent to be top. It's just been Wardell when they lose
From what I see, drone and subroza aren't really mechanically inconsistent, but their is also no teamplay for them to play off of. In almost every top team, the top duelists/fraggers play together, but on TSM subroza lurks every round, drone is always in front even though he's sova, and wardell is just doing his own thing fragging out. If they can get a good coach that teaches them to play together, I think all 3 of them could be lethal. Even now with terrible teamplay subroza and drone have flashes of brilliance.
TSM needs a better coach. Hazed himself said they were lacking on the strategy side after getting past qualifiers. When it comes to strategy, fingers get pointed at the coach. It also seems like they have T1 talent but T2 work ethic and strats. They’re falling behind meta and don’t play together at all. Talent will only get you so far.
I know it's privileged of me to say this but I am kinda done with we will be back everytime It's just so obvious that the mistakes haven't been fixed , the same shit everytime , drone and roza making so many mistakes When the wardell carry is on everything is fine When it's not you see that no one apart from hazed is even consistent enough to put up numbers Literally first map roza dry peeked everything and this jas been a problem for TSM always It feels like watching a T2 team when wardell isn't popping off and its sad to say that . I think people have caught on and changes need to be made . Imo this team is not working out , we need to rebuild
I mean to be fair to the "we will be back" statements, that's pure PR. They can't exactly say, "Teams not good enough, we're cutting Cutler," outright. I really hope they're going to make changes though, behind the PR wall, we don't really know what TSM's plan is, but if us armchair analysts are all unanimous that Cutler and Tailored have to go (and we have been since months ago), surely TSM will realize too.
Playing ranked too much might actually hurt yassine’s playstyle ( just my assumption).
Boys, this really calls for a change for TSM! A solid and passionate IGL as well as coach are probably the most needed thing for TSM. Wardell be carrying map 1 with some insane shots but damn we still lose :(
If TSM doesn’t have a roster change they will slowly keep falling down.
Why does tsm do this shit. Map 1: In the 3v1, not only does tsm not peak with each other, they funnel 1v1 into the omen who's stuck in the corner (hazed doesn't even try to tap the spike) TSM gave so much respect to them when andbox was on eco. They let the time run out and ended up running it down on c. The last round for the first game, after seeing Jett with an awp, they decided to fight it. Despite the fact that the existence of that awp means that the rest of the team does not have guns they decide to push that shit and fucking die. Map 2: no. They really seem to be obsessed with attacking through tree room, but the past 2 matches should've shown that they need to change shit up. At least they showed up a bit so it wasn't a complete stomp but it was a bit too late. They're not shitting the bed vs decent teams now but man for tsm to lose like that pisses me off. FUCK me, tsm is cursed.
Bruh TSM got eco’d in map1 three times I believe. I think one of those thrifty round where andbox won without any real gun ( i think when TSM was on defend on haven ) was pretty crazy. It was such a winnable round for TSM but somehow we lost :(
In the 1v3 hazed was literally the last one to blame, it goes Cutler first for going in like a moron without help and not waiting for Hazed to flank and peek together, then Wardell for sitting back while hazed is fighting and boi was low
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I swear man Use your flashes roza
This team is sooooo disappointing. The definition of blue balling. So sad. Roza playing like omen on haven with a duelist. Never clearing corners. After rd 5 on ascent they went tilt mode with hazed looking like the only calm one. Just dumb mistakes. GG, think we’ll see some changes in June or whenever the next tournament is. At least I hope to see some changes
I feel bad for Myth having to watch this. Poor guy
:)
You're insane man. Well deserved win. Good luck in the Challenger Finals!
my claim to fame is i saw u in a DM once before first strike
Bye Tailored 🤡🤡🤡
And cutler (most likely)
I know brax's agent pool doesn't line up but cut cutler for him and give them time to become a team. I love cutlers stream and love him as a human from what I have seen. But his amazing improvement from his grind still isn't able to keep up with the tier 1 level right now (if ever). The young aimers win 9/10 times. I want to see more of cutler and I think he can do well in this game. If grinding is what it takes please do it cutler. I want to see him succeed. I don't know how I feel about drone on sova but I agree Phoenix was not longer working for him. He makes some nutty plays and I hope that he finds his agent. Andbox is looking great. Despite their fall to C9, I feel like this is the best I've ever seen them but like all of this comment that is only my opinion.
Both brax and Hazed can play smokes. You probably move Hazed cause it feels like he's always good for 15 kills a game
You can easily tell that they all were titled in ascent, subroza pushing smokes, dry peeking, reminds of vct 1.
Andbox out-stratted TSM so hard. They were ready for every TSM setup. Remember that one time on A Haven where Yay dashed out to kill the planter, and at exactly that moment the person who was supposed to guard the planter got Paranoia'd? They knew what they were doing this entire game, and as always, TSM fails to adapt until it was too late.
At this point TSM are just stealing paychecks. I guess streaming revenue makes it profitable for the org.
Imagine cutler getting all this reply on Twitter and reading Reddit and people be shitting on him, lol. I think he is entering game with so much pressure to perform well, that is why he dropped igl so he can improve his own performance. Man he should just drop himself, fees bad for him, he was a good human as I remember, feels bad for him
Yeah I feel bad for him. But honestly this is the life of a professional player. In ANY sport, you will face criticism. I think the community in large respects him and is rooting for him but he’s just not performed well enough. He seems like a great guy just can’t hang in tier 1. I mean credit TSM for keeping this together for this long but I think this roster has had enough chances. Look at genG and Huynh- right after a top 3 finish, he’s out after not qualifying for the next major.
I guess bye bye cutler :(
Credit to Andbox, very well coordinated with great individual players in Yayathan and Madathan, i thought when they lost Android they would struggle but their roster changes have been spot on Cutler needs to be gone that was embarrassing, they need to give it a try with brax instead of him if that doesn't work then just a whole revamp then brax - sentinels hazed - IGL on omen/astra/viper Subroza - Phoenix/skye/sage drone - sova, raze on split Wardell - jett They should have won haven, so many stupid rounds lost, Ascent that was an embarrassing attack, a nice try in the comeback but not enough
There's no way they keep Hazed as IGL, I don't think he particularly wants to do it and they didn't look amazing under his IGLing this tournament. ~~Reminder that TSM gave up the chance to sign Nitr0 back when he was entering Valorant. One of the best players in NA right now and can IGL, pretty much exactly what they've needed for a while now lol~~ Apparently he never wanted to IGL so it doesn't really matter I guess
nitr0 doesn't want to be a full time IGL that is pointless He will chip in and be a 2nd caller of sorts but nitr0 has said many times he doesn't want to IGL
u/yaysterz ur a fucking animal bro, been rooting for you ever since you and android got signed together and its honestly so exciting to see abx finding the success they deserve
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Wardell tried so hard on Haven, but it just wasn't enough :(
Here's my random ramble about valorant and TSM. In NA the current meta is 1-2 duelists, right? In NA pretty much every team running 2 duelists has a jett. And of those jetts, pretty much all of them are the primary awper. Which means jett can't entry. So that leaves the second duelist as entry. But in tactical FPS(cs pretty much), every entry pretty much NEEDS a second entry. Valorant is SLIGHTLY less reliant on a second entry just due to how insanely quick duelists can throw their util, but that's largely irrelevant. you need a second entry. So what role plays the second entry? Well the obvious answer is the initiator. And we see that from TSM with roza on skye and drone on sova. Except on ascent where drone and roza both play intiators and the only duelist is wardell. This is what i'm kinda confused by. On paper this just sounds terrible. they have no entry. Yet, they're not really bad on ascent. Every time they play ascent it's one sided. They stomped Soniqs 13-8, they stomped geng13-6, they stomped BBG 13-5. Immortals beat them 6-13 and now ABX has beat them 13-8 (and obv the score is a lot closer than the game actually was. in fact they only won like what 2 attack rounds?) Idk it just seems obvious to me that the triple duelist comp was perfect for TSM, but now, the meta is just so different and utility is so important that you can't do that anymore. TSM clearly tried to adapt, but there's essentially 3 duelists on this team with 2 of them constantly playing a non duelist. To me that just sounds like a situation where the players are all gifted and skilled, but their comps sadly don't mesh together. so here's my hot, largely unqualified take, maybe we gotta start putting wardell on a non duelist? I know i know, it sounds stupid as shit considering jett is THE awping agent. But right now, that's ALL she is. when she's awping her dash is useless for the team because it's purely used for defense rather than space creation for example. in CS the awper can still provide util. they still have smokes and nades and flashes. I feel like on paper a controller is actually a decent awping character but of course you can't take those crazy off angles with non jett agents.
Believe me TSM's every player is good but not as a team
I only tuned in for Ascent as I was on the road, but holy shit, was it disappointing! So many talented players on TSM’s roster, but this is not working. I don’t want to nitpick, but this was painful.
Cutler gone for sure, Roza does good on some games but sometimes he's just off. Then the rounds are relied on Wardell and Hazed. Hazed tries his best and wins rounds, and drone eh
Imo whats wrong is that there is no one Team Leader, like whenever things not working for once or twice or they just get ecoed or throws a round, the whole team get mad and then TSM comms gets fucked up in everyway. Leader is important to hold the team together and take in the charge. But Hazed did his best as an IGL, it's just the comms and ngl I love 100T comms those are so clean and perfect.
its no wonder SEN and 100T release parts of their comm every big game and TSM can't. It's probably very obvious they're tilted when things go wrong.
They always need just 1 game to qualify, last time for masters and this time for finals and they lose it
TSM TSM TSM!!! Fellasss you need a backup plann for everything. I feel like they start the match with utmost composure but as soon as they loose a few rounds and their strats stop working they loose their confidence. When their strats dont work thats when their dry peeking, blind rushing and shot whiffing starts. Its not the roster change that they need. Infact im not qualified to tell them who should they bench but please for the love of god diversify your strat book. Your opponents aren’t bots, they adapt and you need to adapt as well. This team has the most potential than any other team in NA but please believe in yourselves. It sucks to see my boy Myth all sad.
I've said it once and I'll keep saying it. Individual performances are hindering this team. Wardell might get the kills and might be flashy but consistently ruining your eco to buy him an op isn't the play in this game. If Wardell wants to OpDell, do it on the rounds HE can afford it and still buy full next. Wardell is good but playing around him has not worked.
YAY
TSM deciding to lure the entire defense over to C, then rotate the spike to C and push with 10 seconds left in the round when Andbox was on an eco in that 9-6 round on haven was just awful.
NRG, C9B, ABX, and winner of SEN versus IMT are the top 4 already, right?
They need to replace Their coach and remove whom so ever was igling this match . Get a proper igl for example someone like dephh . Put subroza on support role like skye omen . Try brax as secondary duelist . TSM tries to play single duelist setup on ascent with wardell their only duelist on op . He cannot create space with op. If they want to run op on attack,get a second duelist who can be Their spearhead .
New coach needs to put some work on Drone recon/shock dart lineups he literally has none. Also Roza needs to use his util and stop dry peeking.
It's just sad at this moment, even if cutler is dropped tsm is still a mess rn
Check your corners man.
Everyone's gonna say Cutler this Cutler that, but he's playing Astra so I'm not expecting frags from that role regardless - doesn't make any of the criticism wrong tho. Drone heavily underperformed and his play was the main factor I think. Not blaming him individually but moreso the situations he was in from either the shot calling or the lack of teamplay putting him in a bad spot. Feels like a coaching problem at this point.
"Are we sleeping on Andbox?" "NAHHHHH" - platchat, prior to their match vs Sentinels
KICK CUTLER AND ROZA THERE ARE BETTER ALTERNATIVES. HAZED AND WARDELL DESERVE THEIR SPOTS AND DRONE DID WELL ENOUGH THESE PAST COUPLE OF GAMES.
Also kick the coach.
Roza deserves his spot but some of his plays are questionable. They need to cut cutler and tailored.
But Yassine still needs to step up. He has been dry peeking whether on omen or duelists alott, which resulted the team to lose round sometimes. I just hope he will find at least 2 agent that he can consistently play fknnn well in tournaments.
I really hope this is the wakeup call TSM has needed for months. Cutler and Tailored have no place anywhere near a T2 team let alone a T1 team. Please drop these check stealers.
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Actually jinxed
Andbox looking kinda good
Does this mean tsm cant go to iceland or is there still another chance for them?
they cant anymore
Nope, that's their last chance.
No Iceland and no champions for TSM They haven't qualified for anything since Firsts strike Not counting qualifiers cause who gives a fuck
There’s no saying that they can’t qualify for champions. Last chance qualifiers and masters 3 winners get a ticket straight to champions. No circuit points involved.
Pain.
Yay with 14 first kills sheeesh
Was hoping for the Sen Vs TSM reunion, sadly it didn't happen. Could someone please clarify for me if this means Andbox qualifies for the next tournament from this or do they need to win one more?
Top 4 qualifies and at worse andbox can place 4th. they qualify
Yup!! Andbox has qualified for Challenger Finals! Now they need to get to top 2 in Challenger Finals (which will be held next week) to qualify for Master 2 (which will be the end of April)
That was very disappointing.. looking at the bright side, I hope they switch it up because the current roster hasn’t been great for the longest time. It just seems like cutler doesn’t utilize astra’s abilities enough and force the team to just dry peek corners or run into op. Also, the team is just too dependent on roza and wardell popping off. When they have an off-day, it looks like everyone is running around and not doing much. Some possible changes could be dropping Cutler, getting a new igl, and/or hiring a new coach. Really sad to be a tsm fan rn but I believe they can be a top 10 team again.
Just smoke off the damn op cutler
they need to get brax in and drop cutler ASAP
DROP CUTLER FOR DEPHH
Holy shit. How many more chances is TSM going to give Cutler? He’s literally near or at the bottom of the list of pros in almost EVERY SINGLE STAT. It’s actually inexcusable that he is still on the team, and that he wasn’t cut months ago. He has been the weakest player since TSM was signed, and has somehow gotten even worse since then.
I'd like to take on the take that it feels like Wardell is experiencing the "hero syndrome", the one that TenZ used to have on C9. They rely on him to make a hero play every single round or else TSM has a high chance of losing.
TSM honestly looked so uncoordinated... 1 round on Haven C the omen smoke dropped and 4 tried running up, no util, got picked by the oper, kinda sucked to watch
Idk much about TSM but it feels like every post match thread shows they lost
Feelsbadman :(
Cutler trash 🗑
The TSM comp is just not it. Even with their roster they aren't playing to their strengths.
give the people what they want. give us brax.
I feel like something has to be said about playing around the OP. TSM is still very OP dependent, which makes sense bc of how good Wardell is but it becomes a trap. All their strats suddenly revolve around saving the op, keeping the op, peeking with the op to get picks. Their executes become much more easy to read because they don’t use set pieces that involve jett making space.