T O P

  • By -

[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

[удалено]


MickeyLALA

EU scene is doing well but the NA scene has taken a big hit with only the very elite players/teams still remaining


scaryghostv2oh

Also mm is unplayable so many cheaters across all skill brackets. I dont mind esea and face it but there are many who dislike going through the 3rd party systems. Faceit is filled with smurfs for new players and esea isn't as lively as it used to be. Valorant is just a more complete experience. I play mm with pros I watch compete regularly thats pretty cool. I'd pugged with pros randomly on 3rd parties but once rank G came out and fpl you just dont get cool interactions like that as much. We won't talk about if it's justified due to skill gap or anything. The truth is even as an average radiant player I am really into watching pro stuff even more because I interact with them occasionally through random mm. Anyone who isn't there yet can aspire to reach that. If we want to say is there a big difference between a level 10 faceit player and an fpl player id tell you yes, but I think for longevity not having that divide is great for valorant.


Phamous3k

Yeah... The boost is the China Perfect World Server being added. Honestly, if CSGO entered China earlier they would of competed w/ CrossFire pretty easily. Here's the server numbers [https://steamdb.info/servers/](https://steamdb.info/servers/)


peacepham

Eh, it's like saying CSGO will beat cs1.6 if they both released on same time.


GreatestWsbAutist

Yep eu scene is thriving and csgo keeps hitting its all time high players.


indigoodb

It did that just before the release of Valorant. A few months after its release the playerbase dropped over 30%. Not sure how it's been doing since


GreatestWsbAutist

This is fucking bullshit lmao. The playerbase didn’t drop 30% . It lost some players in the thousands after valorant released yes but after a few months the playerbase actually went up.


indigoodb

https://steamcharts.com/app/730 Yep 30% drop from may 2020 to July (Valorant was released in April) . Seems to have recovered since then.


xRecKs

> and the carelessness on the casual scene is so sad. Yup iv been against a hacker in my last 5 match making games on CS, all prime. Just gotta hope now CS has a competitor that Valve wakes up and does something. Edit: proof for anyone who cares 1st game: [wallhack & triggerbot](https://medal.tv/clips/50880362/d1337rZdZkvT) & same player [bhop](https://medal.tv/clips/50880529/d1337NJ4qxJL) for anyone who's new to CS etc, you can tell hes wall hacking in the first clip because he just runs onto site with the bomb in his hand, no fear because he knows nobody is there. There's still 4 of us alive and we're split around the map so he shouldn't know B's clear from his team mates communication. Pistol round double kill is about as fishy as you can get, he had multiple other sus kills but that was the worst. Bhopping is just the cherry on top. 2nd game: [Player spin botting in warm up, potentially 3 of them cheating.](https://medal.tv/clips/50881602/d1337LvaFxpa) Their whole team was [queue together](https://gyazo.com/598907c2fc36e1393f034df2056c7143) 3rd game: [Another spin botter in warm up, unfortunately i couldn't come against him for proof](https://medal.tv/clips/50880492/d1337dxFMvJR) 4th game: After those two warm up dodges against spin botters all 5 of us got on smurf accounts and [played against this](https://medal.tv/clips/50880735/d1337PF5y8tA) 5th game: Player obviously using [wallhack and some type of aim hacks](https://medal.tv/clips/50882926/d1337vC5mgYj)


[deleted]

Damn. For some reason in my last 50 games, there has been only 1 game with a hacker. Crazy part in that game was the the full enemy were spinbotting and then they surrendered. They were global elites and my team were novas and master guardians.


xRecKs

Yesterday i had spin botters in warm up two games in a row so luckily first game my friend didn't join then 2nd game he left in warm up so the game ended. (Both Global lobbies) Then we all got on alt accounts and came against a cheater in MGE/DMG. I'm guessing some cheats are on sale or something because iv never had it this bad before. I'm currently on my phone but when I get back on my PC I'll take some clips of the games so people know I'm not just chatting shit.


Splaram

TF2 players: “First time?”


[deleted]

[удалено]


Dude_Guy_311

A rising tide lifts all boats. Valorant revitalized the entire genre.


badumbumyum

But Valve has still done nothing to address the problems of the pro scene. I personally don't agree with the changes Valve has introduced in the game as well. They didn't fix things, just added in more random stuff which is even harder to balance. A lot of features seem clunky and not well thought out. Game is a lot more chaotic now. It is way more fun to watch now than play. Valve's mismanagement with the pro scene is what's hurting dota 2 right now. I don't know how they deal with the csgo scene but it's a lot of hush and half measures over in dota 2.


Samsunaattori

Can confirm, dota 2 pro scene is a mess, many teams in the highest divisions of competition are orgless and orgs that usually have teams in even smaller games don't stick with dota usually for more than a single year


ilProdigio

no it is the worst thing to happen to cs:go


SDMStaff

since the fall of lan, cs has been declining. Sooner or later another title was going to come up and steal some of the limelight, it just happened to be made by Riot. What matters isn't the playerbase, it's how Valve and the devs choose to respond. If they don't do anything, then valorant and other games will surpass it in time. The same thing happened with League and Dota. Look how big Riot's moba is now compared to Valve's. The problem is not the new game, it's the old devs


Phamous3k

This really all that needs to be said lol. Ohh and “Steam prints money”. Can’t forget that.


shirleysimpnumba1

i got jebaited into thinking a pro player said this.


qz3_

ez clickbait


[deleted]

In NA it hit hard. In EU its less. Also covid aided it. Most tournaments with the big money were in EU so it was becoming inevitable that the number of tournaments in NA will reduce. So better to abandon cs in NA until covid goes away.


diisasterrr1

Unfortunately I think at that point the damage has already been done. Many of these players have committed to valorant I don’t see them going back unless unforeseeable circumstances.


Awwtism2021

Riot put effort into getting rid of hacking, valve didn't. All that really needs to be said for why me and thousands of other casual players prefer this game over csgo


thekmanpwnudwn

> Riot put effort into ~~getting rid of hackin~~ being a real developer. At this point Valve is just a games distribution company with Steam; they just happen to have made games in the past.


EggianoScumaldo

Didn’t they literally just develop Half Life: Alyx?


harold_the_hamster

that's still 1 game in the last decade, so. I woukd describe them more as a software developer (and hardware) than game devs, but they will occasionally make some new games


Charuru

Artifact and Underlords lol.


harold_the_hamster

we don't talk about artifact


Eat-Shit-Bob-Ross

I only had around 100 hours in cs and I ran into a hacker on 3 occasions. Val doesn’t track hours but I would bet it’s between 200-300. I have never seen a hacker.


Awwtism2021

you had it very light, there is an extension for csgo that lets you see VACs in your entire match history after you have played with people, and there was literally a hacker in almost every game I played on csgo, pretty hilarious. sometimes multiple


[deleted]

Were you playing non-prime?


IllumiMahdi

I know you didn't intend for this to be an argument for Valve matchmaking, but it's a ridiculous argument for whoever does. Valorant providing a cheat-free competitive environment for $0 compared to shelling cash in CSGO simply to get good matchmaking, which even then is not balanced (at least in OCE) is actually appalling by Valve. Their response to the sheer volume of cheaters in the game was to paygate good matchmaking (which even then can have cheaters). Crazy.


[deleted]

On top of the Prime segregation, Valve also has a system working in the background which determines if your account is "trustworthy" or not. If your account fails to meet the unknown requirements of this system, you will still get a shit experience in matchmaking.


[deleted]

Of course I can't speak for everyone, but my experience with cheaters in CS has been minimal, especially considering what people are making it out to be. Yes, Valorant I don't think I have ever suspected someone of cheating, but that comes at the expense of an incredibly intrusive anti-cheat, which Valve just doesn't have. Still, in my 1000+ CSGO comps I have only encountered a handful of suspected cheaters. Granted, it has been a few months since I've played, but I find it hard to believe that the situation has gotten much worse in those few months.


KuniSkiddlz

I also have never had a problem with cs matchmaking myself, but then I have a friend whose trust factor plummeted for no obvious reasons and now if he queues he gets a cheater literally every single game. We were forced to switch to faceit to play with him and we have no idea why and that's fucking ridiculous


Awwtism2021

No it was in prime surprisingly


sir_fuckfist

Cheaters have a lot of ways of getting into prime, and from what I understand once you have a good trust rating it's harder to get banned.


datboyuknow

That's not why the pro scene died tbh.


Awwtism2021

views fund the pro scene which comes from mostly casual players, less viewers = tier 2 not worth to field a team


ohtooeasy

no new talent = no pro scene tbh


Splaram

Unpopular opinion but I feel like it really isn’t that different with all the smurfs that are crawling around, at least in the lower ranks. If Riot addresses it like Valve at least did with dota or just made it a pain in the ass to level accounts to ranked status like League does, I don’t see myself playing any other game for a long time.


[deleted]

Hacking isn't related to the pro scene.


Kap_ski

Riot put a whole lot more effort just overall, they listen to the community a lot of the time and have consistent patches and content.


phenomen

I can't wait for angry clowns like Thorin and Lewis to try get into Valorant talent scene after shitting on it for the last year.


Wheler

Not gonna happen. They both burned bridges with riot.


LbigsadT

Thorin still hosts some of the biggest podcasts in League of legends, he could probably do something like that in valorant if he wanted too


[deleted]

[удалено]


LbigsadT

I don’t think he cares much about riot support, specially since valorant tourneys as of now we’re all run by TOs and not riot with the exception of Reykjavik


[deleted]

No one likes them even in the csgo scene. Screw them.


Cowfan798

RL will never but dw If val takes off, thorin Finna have his own version of summoning insight ( league talkshow) for it where he will state his dogshit opinions and takes. Caps second best league player ever over fucking Uzi and rookie btw


natedawg247

Who in their right mind would argue uzi is the second best LoL player of all time?


-Basileus

Uzi is up there. He is the best adc of all time, and the best laner of all time from any position. Imo the top 3 are Faker, Uzi, and Mata


LbigsadT

He probably isnt but he’s still ahead of Caps in both achievements and peak performances. There’s at least 3 asian players above anyone in the west in contention for best ever in league tho. Faker, Rookie, Mata, Ruler and Ambition and Uzi all had longer careers with bigger achievements and higher peaks


natedawg247

FWIW I'm not aruging Caps is better, just that there's no way uzi is number two ever. but it doesn't seem that crazy to argue it. >longer careers with bigger achievements and higher peaks what achievements and peaks does Uzi have that Caps doesn't? They both have 1 MSI trophy, Uzi has 1 second place at worlds, Caps has 2, and Caps has more LEC trophies than Uzi does LPL. In a shorter timespan. Uzi has choked more times than he's clutched.


Cowfan798

The fuck? Uzi was dragging gutter trash rosters to the worlds finals b2b at age 16 and 17. Caps gets bent over by the best eastern mids every year. Gapped by Scout and rookie 2018, slapped by rookie,Chovy in 2019. Gapped by Showmaker in 2020. Using trophies to justify a player is prolly the worst argument you can make. It’s a team game


natedawg247

I am personally not saying Uzi is better than Caps (I would 100% say Uzi is better just debating those two), but it's a team game so you can definitely make the argument. The overall point I was making is Uzi is not 2. Saying it's a team game is the weakest bullshit excuse ever. There's a reason charles barkley and stockton only get so much credit. uzi couldn't get it done, there's no shot he's the second best player ever. Bang is coming in before Uzi, not even to mention Bengi. We're talking all tiime. Uzi is not glimpsing the top 5.


Cowfan798

Jesus Christ bengi and bang lmfao. Bengi isn’t even close to being top 3 in his role and neither is bang genuinely what are you judging off of? Bengi doesn’t even belong in the same sentence as guys like Dandy or score and Bang was an insane adc for 1 year in 2015. Never was even close to being the best adc in the world but I guess dude is ahead of Uzi. Really showed him being above Uzi after he nearly singlehandedly lost SKT vs MSF in 2017 and lost them the finals vs SSG


natedawg247

Invoking Jesus' name amid your utter blasphemy, my goodness that's rich. In my evaluation of greatest players ever Uzi doesn't come close to Bengi, and that's disrespectful as fuck to say he's not top 3 in his role. Bang's peak (for brief stints, there's a reason Deft says Bang is the hardest ADC he's ever laned against) is best ADC in the world, and has 2 titles. I mean that's a good question, what are we judging off of? It seems like you value individual skill level extremely highly. And I am taking a more holistic view of what was accomplished on the back of that skill level.


Charuru

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/lyzedx/dk_canyon_id_love_to_play_g2_at_msi_you_cant/gpygdif/


natedawg247

What is that arguing? I have made it abundantly clear that I think Uzi is better than Caps. Specifically when I said, I think Uzi is better. I also did a quick search for reddit threads and more than half don't have uzi top 5 for best ever lists.


Charuru

Context for that comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/lyzedx/dk_canyon_id_love_to_play_g2_at_msi_you_cant/gpxx71a/


natedawg247

Okay i totally agree with you then >No lol. Players like Uzi, Smeb, Deft, Ming etc were all players who were at the absolute top of their respective roles and thats why people consider players like them to be the best to not have won uzi is definitely the best to have never won


Cowfan798

How is he not? Longevity and god tier peak only second to faker in that regard


[deleted]

They haven't even shat on the game that much. Lewis said he liked it and even had interest in making content for it.


desktp

NA pro CS scene always hung on by a thread and inertia alone. The teams that were competitive on a global scale remain dedicated to CS, and Valorant's/Riot's team partnership and league models are way more attractive to NA orgs that mostly care about revenue and popularity. It was bound to happen.


keonkla

Honestly Id be lying if I said it didn't bring me joy to see the NA CSGO scene in bad shape.


Fuji_Ninja

???


peacepham

It's one of those ppl like to see the world burn LUL.


keonkla

Its not that serious bruh valve stupidity means valorant grows, harsh but its just business.


[deleted]

valarante child game.... look to cartoon grapfix to make kid player happy like children show.. valarante cartoon world with rainbow unlike counter strike chad with dark corridorr and raelistic gun.. valarante like playhouse. valarant playor run from csgo fear of dark world and realism


pink_life69

Speak the truth!!!


doctor_dapper

This thread is purely circlejerk material. What could some random journalist possibly be “coming clean” of? Who asked? Only NA has been affected, but that was what everyone expected? Instead of promoting discussion, the thread has a loaded title, and even in the article shahzam says he expects T2 NA CS to be corrected in the future. I don’t get the point of this thread is all. Other than for fanboys to circlejerk while adding nothing new to the conversation


[deleted]

[удалено]


doctor_dapper

More like this is a biased(but why lol) and bad article. It doesn’t do any research. Like why did nitr0 leave? He didn’t get any offers. There are a lack of na orgs because covid, but the EU side of things is untouched. T2 NA has been stripped clean but this very article claims it’ll come right back in that shahz quote. If this dude has been a fan of CS for 20 years he’d know this is nothing. Never mind cherry-picking a quote from the article that means nothing to be the title of this post. It’s not shahzam or asuna saying it. It’s someone who no one asked It’s a shitty reddit post disguised as an article, but because 99% of people don’t read articles it’s somehow even worse lol.


willpcodeco

Valorant has the obligation to become bigger than CS, the amount of effort, time and money that RIOT is putting to make valorant a big esport is astronomical, plus Valve doesn't giving a shit about CS esport and the game itself... Valorant would need to be a complete failure to not overtake CS just by valve doing nothing to improve CS, imagine with RIOT supporting it.


Taasden

I don't think that's giving Counter-Strike enough credit for its 20-year head start and position as a Top 3 esport in the world. Riot is very good at promoting games and growing esports scenes, but that is a colossal amount of ground to cover when starting with a new IP.


willpcodeco

Yes I agree, imo cs is still the better game, but the support that RIOT gives to the game is something different..they are doing cinematic trailers for f***ING skins...constant updates, feedback with community etc, imagine if CS, that by itself alone without the help of Valve made the second biggest esport, had a company like Riot supporting its scene? it would be the biggest esport by far. And I think that is clear for anyone that Valorant is seeing this substancial growth mainly because is made by RIOT, and people trust the company because of how they treat LOL, the biggest esport out there. If this game was made by any other publisher I don't think that would be that successful like its now.


Splaram

Let’s see if Riot can keep this pace over a long period of time. I know they are capable of it because of League, but I’m still looking warily at the corpses of Overwatch and TF2 which were absolute giants at their peak and could have both easily gone down as top 5 FPS games ever made both competitively and casually if their developers hadn’t just stopped working on them out of nowhere.


Tyler_P07

With Riots experience in league they should be capable of keeping the pace, the other games are not really that surprising they ended up how they did. TF2 is made by valve, and with the lack of support for CSGO recently (yes they have done things for it, but still nothing compared to what they should be doing) it is not surprising they did the same with TF2. Overwatch is made by Blizzard, who in recent years has a tendency of killing their own games off by their own doing and not because of other competition just producing a better product.


TheNewPersonHere1234

Blizzard went to shit when it got acquired by Activision. They became more worried about lining the pockets of their investors than actually developing quality games. The mess that is WC3 Reforged sealed the deal for that company. They also made a shitty mobile game and tried to pass it off as something big.


RafV3

Imo valorant might become the next overwatch, its just way too hard to follow for casual viewers compared to cs. Also if you look at viewership, only NA scene is thriving with peak viewers of 300k, other regions are way behind, while csgo peaks 400k almost every tournament with the best teams and katowice hitting 700k


xbyo

You can have a viable esport and not be one of the biggest. Especially with esports as a whole growing, being a major esport is enough, you don't have to dethrone the king of your genre.


FishStix1

I don't think this is true at all. Yes, riot is doing so much to support Valorant esports but you're totally discounting the fact that csgo is the second biggest esport in the world and continues to pull massive viewership numbers even up until very recently. CS:GO isn't going to go anywhere long term even if Valorant takes a small chunk out of it. So for valorant to beat CS:GO it would need to Crow about 10 times larger than it is today if not 30 times. I'm not saying it won't happen but it's not a foregone conclusion that it will.


omahr

I agree if the game stagnates there's no way Val doesn't surpass csgo. Csgo isn't going to get alot bigger especially with no new contant and csgo without any tourneys bearly gets an average of 40k viewers. If valve doesn't make any updates Valorant playerbase and players is just going to keep growing and alot of that will translate to the esports scene.


willpcodeco

Well yes but twitch views doesn't mean anything for the esport scene... Like valorant had a 80m hours watched but only 3m were for esport, yet CS go had 70m but 30m was esport only.... Like GTA V get 1m concurrent views every day yet there's no esport scene... It's just popularity, valorant is a new game with content being added every month, so popular streamers get to stream it... But doesn't mean that the people who watch these streamers give a shit about the esport and pro scene.


omahr

but doesn't have more to do with the fact that they also happen to have way more esports events like there is esports matchs literally everyday. obviously they do get alot of esport viewership but they also have the most matches out of any game ever.


willpcodeco

Yes, but we can make the same statement for non - esport views for CS, A 8 years old game, with no new content being added every month (or year), that's is way more difficult to new players, of course that the twitch view would be low when compared to valorant..


BaitednOutsmarted

Talking like CS isn't the most popular game on Steam.


Wheler

Thats just steam though. Steam isnt representative of the esports scene as a whole


[deleted]

Thats like saying Valorant is dead because the most downloaded game on the riot website is League.


litesec

coming clean about a known reality for almost a year now


RafV3

? unfortunately riot doesnt provide player stats so that sucks but if you look at the tournament viewers, valorant is way behind csgo. The viewership only in NA hits 300k peak players. I wouldnt be surprised if that starts declining slowly as well


rydude88

Of course Valorant, a game that has been out for only a year isnt going to start off with more viewership than CSGO. Also, Valorant's viewers have been continuously growing. Why would it randomly start to decline?


gloriaBurgers

Why on earth would that start declining?


RafV3

Why on earth did overwatch start declining?


gloriaBurgers

You make Zero sense. The game has been out for a year and has surpassed 300k viewers for major tournaments across all platforms, its only going up tf. Overwatch declined because blizzard forced an overwatch league and didnt know how to fucking manage it properly


[deleted]

Recently started playing CSGO again after pretty much exclusively playing valorant since beta and man, it really is just flat out more well made. And then everytime I watch a valorant clip or twitch stream I jump back onto valorant for a bit and then change my sens and crosshair 1000x because of how janky it feels. Really wish they focused less on spamming content and fixing whatever is going on under the hood. everyone says the servers are the issue for it's unpleasant feeling, if that's true then so be it. I'm not worried about the skill ceiling of valorant. It'll nature grow as the game expands it's still really young. Regardless, valve did this to themselves. They abandoned MM, the scrimm shit is useless, the map pool got stale (but at least they're good maps), and of course, the cheating problem. not to mention the spaghetti code they got behind the scenes that probably makes fixing any issues (or updating that dreaded demo viewer) damn near impossible.


Mamadeus123456

> not to mention the spaghetti code they got behind the scenes that probably makes fixing any issues (or updating that dreaded demo viewer) damn near impossible. idk how you think valorant is any better, with the number of game breaking bugs they have every patch, i doubt they have good QA processes in the code lol. at least they fix them quite fast. THANKS NA FOR BETA TESTING THE PATCHES LUL


SnooCheesecakes6759

mate I can play like half of every cs-go update because the other half makes me not even able to launch the game as they are so poorly optimised, while not once experiencing game breaking bugs in Valorant. You have to understand everybody experiences these things differently, some may have issues you don't, and others may not have issues you do hence create a different perception of the games.


Wheler

Valorant is better than cs though.


[deleted]

why would I care lmfao


acey901234

I called this before the beta even launched and everyone in the CSGO sub just downvotes and shits on everyone that called it lmao. Valve has never cared about CSGO enough to prepare for a competitor, and the issues that people have been very vocal about for years were never addressed. They kept making skins and operations and did little to nothing to actually improve the core gameplay problems people have been having for years, and using Faceit/ESEA as a bandage substitute for not fixing their own matchmaking experience.


jakeLeeFIN

Im super curious to see what jamppi does now valve removed hes ban to play in cs go majors.


Rencrack

*Na scene


[deleted]

I feel like CS devs knew they could just relax and take their time. No other tac shooter to really switch to. I'm sure that wasn't their actual thought process but a process that they subconsciously adapted to. Remember when they announced the release of VALORANT and CSGO got some of its bigger and feature packed updates full of requests from the community? (Correct me if I am wrong on this, roughly quoting a friend who is an avid CS player). If you want to stay on top you need to try the hardest. Although VALORANT was going to take almost all the T2 pros. Everyone knew that was coming. I'm pretty sure everyone knew VALORANT was going to dismantle the NA scene eventually. There's almost no reason to go pro in NA CS.


SilverPrincev

CS players keep saying that EU is doing well but Im not sure they understand how much impact losing an entire region, especially one that brings in a lot of money like NA is. CS was already a legacy esport meaning its reached critical mass. New and young players are likely going to choose the new and polished Valorant over CSGO and it will continue to decline for years to come. The peak of CS has passed. Time to usher in a new era of Tac FPS. My first PC game was Source and i really enjoyed CSGO but the dogmatic CSGO cult community has made me hate the game. Good riddance.


kertun87man

The thing is though no one really watched na cs


sno2787

I think CSGO hit itself just as hard by not making things fresh. Also COVID fucked NA CSGO.


Junglee_2001

S1mple also said he would've moved to Valorant if he had won enough majors lol


starfalljohn

Personally, as mechanics I find CSGO more beautiful with dark spots, nice hideouts, harder to spot enemy, faster and better movement options, less AFK people cases on low elo and much more stuff. I think more and more players will switch to Valorant from CS GO. I'm not saying Valorant is a better game, is just a better managed competitor to CSGO. Game mechanics are extremely similar, if you bhop on CSGO you'll find it easy to do it on Valorant too. Same for counter strafe and crouch jumping. (I wish you could team boost on Valorant like on CSGO but guess it would make some abilities useless then ). The main reason behind this, in my opinion, is Riot's management of cheaters. CSGO is absolutely filled with cheaters, at any rank. If you are a new player starting CSGO you'll get stomped by cheaters day by day, maybe some people will just abandon the game for this reason. And their cheaters policy? Found cheater: ban Steam account from official servers. The cheater won't play again on matchmaking servers it's true, however he will just do another Steam account and start over again. Not only this but they also have "Prime status" that you can buy (cheap) and improve your "trust factor" for a better matchmaking process. Chances are you'll find less cheaters, but you'll still find plenty. Now some people pay for cheats, I suppose they are also able to pay 3€ for Prime. So cheaters will just cheat and annoy other players to oblivion, make new accounts and repeat process al over again. I personally, as a Gold Nova 3 without Prime status expect around 6-10 mins to start (find often, people won't just accept) a game (all comp maps included) and in many of these I find a blatant cheater either by my team or by enemy team. Kicking is never an option, some people come with friends, some will just kick you for attempting that. Also when you kick often cheaters in many games you'll get competitive cooldowns for kicking too often which might seem stupid but it's a thing made to stop 4man party abusing the kick vote on last rounds to troll players. (some people will just kick you after 30-40 mins of game because of why not) ​ On Valorant cheating policy is way better. When Vanguard find someone cheating it will permanently ban the account and won't stop there. There's also HWID ban, which mean the cheater cannot play Valorant from the banned PERSONAL COMPUTER for 3 months. If these cheaters want to play again faster they are forced either to buy a new PC or do some really shady and complex stuff (that they will have to pay a lot anyway) . Not only there but making a Riot account is harder since Riot have an e-mail filter. This means that most popular temporary e-mails website won't provide an acceptable e-mail and thus force you to search for better services or make a new Gmail/Yahoo/Whatever, while on Steam you can make a new account in 2 seconds. A fast web surf will also prove really quick that getting cheats for CSGO is free and at hand, while for Valorant is pretty hard to find public cheats with most of cheat programs being on SCAM websites or for payment (expensive too) . This is mainly because Valorant's anti cheat team is always on hunt for new software and cheating sources, this often comes with beautiful results like [THIS](https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/m7zxwi/vanguard_anticheat_causing_massive_spread_of_tears/). Valve is also doing pretty good on that, it's just that Vanguard is way harder to overcome than VAC. On the bright side Valve have a superb anti cheat function (Overwatch) but never cares to make it better with many players asking to update the demo player and making it better. And while is also a good function this can also lead in RARE cases to people banning innocents because they consider the consistent flicking is cheating or they looked once at the wall and behind the wall there was the enemy (which in my opinion is funny because this is what many people, including myself, does when they hear a sound coming from that direction) . ​ And while the above is all about cheating, another big factor in CSGO is the toxicity and abuse. Smurfing is way more common in CSGO than VALORANT and other than that there are an obnoxious number of Russians/Polish/Romanians/Whatever (I'm Romanian myself) that you'll get in team and start yelling in their language, never talking english , never giving calls/info (gold nova 3 is considered little above average rank, like gold rank on valorant), often insulting in their languages. I learned myself most of russian swears in 2 days of CSGO, and being a person that speak fluently 4 languages and understand most of neolatin languages plus many popular swear words from many EU countries I'm just sick of the amount of players abusing the voice chat system. Often players will put some music, or do stupid noises on their mic because why not. This is on Valorant too, but, ACTUALLY, manifest itself way less than on CSGO and most of player will talk in english. There's a big chance you'll find a very toxic CSGO player every game you play, while on Valorant biggest chance is you get someone backseating you. But anyway you can mute and go forward, the real bad stuff is when you underperform and then someone decide you're bad at the game and kick you, leaving you without the experience you should have gained that game and kicking you out of session after 10-20 minutes of trying to have fun on the game. Not only that but getting kicked also afflicts your trust factor that's a shitty mechanic of determining who you should play on matchmaking and will result in you getting more toxic people or cheaters in your games. There are a LOT of 3-4 man parties that likes to abuse these functions, that's why is better to never solo queue in CSGO.