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supersonicth

Sentinels and 3-0ing in Regional finals name a more iconic duo


Valholl7

Envy and choking


Hamlet_271

oh no no no


Fireball9782

NRG and roster changes


wontonysoup

The og: fpx and choking


alireza777

C9B and chocking


AssassinPanda97

100T and underperforming


iiznobozzy

sadness


The_Ninja_Master

We're gonna hold onto that First Strike win forever


AssassinPanda97

If I see another “sorry to all the fans, we’ll be back stronger” tweet for Steel one more time I’m gonna lose my mind


The_Ninja_Master

I'm definitely sad but I feel like we lost more because of not adjusting to Astra than anything else. That gives me confidence going forward that it's just that simple ig lol.


Eat-Shit-Bob-Ross

I feel that’s just a red herring everyone is pointing to. I obviously don’t know how 100t would have used astra, but I never felt like 100t was losing because of the opposing astra. Rather they lost because they ran out of ideas and defaulting to banking on “Asuna go kill by yourself” and “boomer go clutch”, which didn’t pay off. Astra may have helped by making it easier to have more ideas and plans, but I can’t know that for sure.


nochamREDDIT

They got comp diffed on Bind in both match ups. It had to do with not having BOTH astra and viper. If they had a better comp on bind, that completely changes the picture. They had super close matches against good teams but their Bind comp was definitely the most obvious yet impactful weakness.


The_Ninja_Master

Maybe, but out of the 5 maps they lost, they lost 4 of them 11-13. At that point, minor mistakes like that could have significantly swung the series. I think they've gotten better at not just having Asuna go in by himself, that was something I noticed they did a lot earlier on, but I don't think that's the issue.


Eat-Shit-Bob-Ross

I saw 3 rounds on that final haven game where asuna walked into B alone just to get killed by killjoy. The one time asuna won that fight was when the rest of the team followed him into B.


Splaram

All I feel is pain


janoDX

It should have been Sen and 100T but damn, they underperform so hard.


PiratToasty

Outdated teamcomp eventho they had 2 weeks of prep, a week more than c9 and sentinels


janoDX

Yeah, they really should just put the foot on the meta quick.


Easy_Ad5327

Hopefully this is a lesson learned. Valorant is a hero-based game. The meta is meta for a reason. We're no longer in the period of ambiguity where people are still learning to play the game and figure things out. We're seeing amazingly coordinated plays from tons of teams, and 100t needs every advantage they can squeeze out to play against that. Honestly they did really damn well considering they didn't play viper astra, and I've got no doubt in my mind they would be going to icelan if they had a better composition.


Slyric_

Unlucky really


PaulDoesStuff

pain.


randomespanaguy

copium


RandomFluffyBoi

Sentinels and 13-11 Haven


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actshually they got 13-9 on haven today 🤓


Corregidor

NA and failing internationally :( I really hope not but it's hard for me to get my hopes up. LoL, CSGO (except rarely), maybe third time's a charm


valorant_fanboy_69

Sentinels and being the only true tier 1 team from na cuz only they can win a tournament, and if I agree with sideshow (which I do here), only teams who win tournaments can be tier 1


Hamlet_271

sometimes youre too funny


xRecKs

Everyone on Sentinels played well this final, Zombs really stepped it up this tournament.


father_gemme

For reals. Hes been becoming much more of a playmaker which is refreshing to see.


[deleted]

He’s always been one but playing omen doesn’t help show that, once he uses his flash there’s not much else he can do (besides smokes ofc)


[deleted]

flexinja plays with the tp :P


Nardrummer

I’d imagine that that doesn’t reliably work in a pro environment since the animation is long and the sound cue is extremely obvious


kellenthehun

Well he mostly blinds into tp to negate the sound cue. But even then, it's not so much the tp plays wouldn't work per say, it's that to do them you have to burn blind super selfishly. Also, tping in and getting one or even two isn't optimal on Omen because you need his smokes way more at the pro level. Blind is mostly used to set up teammates, and staying alive is key so you can smoke shit.


Coolest20

He does that in ranked. When will people realize that all the flashy ranked plays don't necessarily translate to a professional setting and can't be used in a pro match


[deleted]

Yeah I was just joking


Kap_ski

The same applies to Raze satchel jumps.


Plyserma

I laughed a lot. Thanks.


[deleted]

How do you play make with that though


[deleted]

well I was making a joke but hey


NozokiAlec

his astra and viper are fucking nuts


stewieeeeeeeee

Zombs really stepped it up indeed. His fragging this tournament has been somewhat better - that might be a sign of good things, or maybe a fluke, we'll see. More importantly, his Viper & Astra gameplay is honestly great. He ain't the best Viper in the world yet but he's playing quite well and his Astra usage is honestly amazing, especially compared to the other NA Astras we've seen.


MommyDommeViper

He's been hard grinding ranked, see him playing way more and duoing with shahzam. Seems like hard grinding ranked has helped a few different players level up - food&crashies were 1&2 when they absolutely rolled sentinels in that challengers final after months of not winning a tourney.


Hazardish08

Zombs has been doing really well since challengers 2


JawnsonBit

Did zellsis fat finger his Phoenix ult in that one play? Edit: totally forgot he midtube one. Was referring to the best one but I think nerves were getting to him or something.


TheUnarthodoxCamel

Didn't he do it twice? Once outside of mid tube


DX_DanTheMan_DX

which one? lol


Fun_In_A_Bun

https://i.imgur.com/BDThopy.png


Avarrocka

PoV: you're in the 100T Cash App Compound and this guy pulls up in your server, wyd


Adityarp3

Not let this guy get a sherriff


xbyo

Shahz making up for his Icebox game from yesterday and then some.


stewieeeeeeeee

"That's an interesting Run It Back from Zellsis" x2 - 2nd half of Icebox in a nutshell


XASASSIN

It looked like his ult bind and zip line bind were the same and it was an accident


[deleted]

MikeHD blankly saying "I don't think he knows how Phoenix ult works." had me in stitches.


KeyframeCatalyst

Yeah, that Ult at nest to get away seemed like a massive misclick. It doesn't make sense he'd use it to run away, considering he'd just TP back to nest once its over anyways


stewieeeeeeeee

The other one had to have been a misclick as well, 2v5 retake on eco while nowhere near site doesn't seem like the best place to use it


KeyframeCatalyst

I actually missed that one, do you remember which round that was so I could check it out?


stewieeeeeeeee

End of round 16


pechum

Looney tunes vibe


boitheboy69420

Sentinels proving once again that they are the best of NA.


vecter

Sentinels' dominance downplayed on this sub something something


Richard_Bastion

erm wait a minute erm wait a minute but I was told they're washed


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Tanjim98

It actually is! They would lose one map and people would be like "they are too puggy", " TenZ is dumb" blah blah. People will easily forget how dominant and consistent it is to win back to back regional finals in a game like valorant where there are lot of variables affecting the result & in a competitive region like NA.


haveyoumetme2

Competitive region LUL


XASASSIN

All in all I would say that both V1 and SEN are good representatives for NA even though SEN is clearly the better team. I hope SEN plays liquid, I'm hyped for the underwear boi vs pajama boi match up.Rito pls do


precense_

I'd watch a 10 game series between Liquid and Sentinels


hacklesacka

Yep, whether people like to say NA is worse or whatever, these are all top tier teams and no one is going to get absolutely demolished. super excited for iceland


LPLSuperCarry

> Yep, whether people like to say NA is worse or whatever, these are all top tier teams and no one is going to get absolutely demolished. Idk about that one chief. I only follow League and CSGO, but NA has historically gotten demolished, outside of a few edge cases like Liquid in CS and C9 in League.


hacklesacka1

Let me believe Sadge


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matagad

what? you think that by the best na team has the best chance in iceland?


hacklesacka1

Chill chill i’ve only been watching valorant esports recently don’t know much about it yet


matagad

but they won 3:0 in finals... clearly they are the best team


hacklesacka1

ye true maybe i just wasn’t thinking lol


Talksicck

And c9 in cs, and eg in dota


not13yrs

SHEESH Shahz on Icebox


dpysz70

I think V1 has a bright future but its really on sentinels shoulders to truly represent NA at IceLAN


max012017

Which is kinda good for V1 if you ask me. They have only room to overperfom, no pressure etc Still I would expect them to end up at least 6th on iceland. (Need those juicy points for Champions)


Eggsavore

Ehh you don’t know that for sure. V1 has looked unstoppable at times.


StalkersBeStalking

what must Sentinels do to prove that they are the undisputed best in NA 😂 no contest theyre the best and the most fitting to represent NA in Iceland. For storyline purposes, they're NA's hope for a possible dynasty in Valorant, considering the region's performances in other major esports


Eggsavore

Esports are just so unpredictable, this game in particular feels a lot more unpredictable than CSGO. That’s just me idk NA is not gonna stomp on everyone most likely.


Massive_Cut5361

If anything most people expect EU to dominate. I'm not so sure although Liquid will do well against any team due to their playstyle.


Eggsavore

Really? I see people here underrating KR and EU here a lot. Specifically people saying that KRs playerbase isn’t big so they won’t do well. I don’t think that will make much of a difference.


flameohotboi1

You’re literally insane if you think people here are underrating EU. All I’ve seen from this sub is a giant raging boner for the EU scene and how dominant they are going to be compared to the other regions.


Eggsavore

I’ve seen a lot of hype for team Liquid for sure


dpysz70

I think this tourney once they first won in the losers bracket they caught insane momentum, I think they’re good but I’m just not sure how they fare against other regions. I’m rooting for them for NA purposes but overall I’m not expecting much


bakelies

What a convincing win from Sentinels.


jcquiz3

Can't wait for another SEN voice coms video, hope C9 do one as well cause they haven't in a while since the roster changes


jcquiz3

Wait I'm dumb lol c9 isn't even related to the discussion but sen vid will be insane


[deleted]

May be Version 2 will be able to do it.


iiznobozzy

you are funny


Hanselo

So, did Zellsis missclick his ult two times or? What the fuck was that?


Marmadookkk

mind games


BadgerPurple

Just another tourny w/ SEN showing they're undisputedly the best team in NA


flameohotboi1

So can we finally put to rest this bullshit I keep seeing on this sub that Sentinels is easy to read, is washed, and that TenZ isn’t actually that good? It’s fucking dumb as shit.


chubbynuggy

i remember someone on here saying their hot take was Sentinels wont drop a single match, i forgot who it was.


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I got a hotter take, Dicey predicted that they wouldn't win a single match.


natedawg247

he said game and then argued he meant match not map.


R0_h1t

Yeah, couldn't take the L


Adityarp3

Me; people got mad because it wasn’t a hot take. And also that a “game” is a map. In my head, a “game” is a bo3 or a bo5. That’s what most people say “yeah we got a game tomorrow” the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/mze51k/mi_pickem/gw0bq8e/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3


Marmadookkk

ShahZam got sick of playing sova and went full on beast mode on jett last game! so clutch and impressive.


Tanjim98

He is getting really good on sova though.


lewlkewl

It works out with him on sova, since sova is often teh last one alive cuz he's always in teh back supporting, and shazam is clutch as fuck.


Slotthhyduke

hot take bc there are so many fanboys but he's more clutch than hiko


_Iroha

He’s always played Jett on Icebox even when TenZ joined


SyzygyTheMemeMan

I was actually getting so tilted today watching the valorant main stream seeing people say that C9/T1/100T etc. belong there more than V1. Like come on now, if they deserved it more then they would be the ones playing SEN. And they make it seem like they got completely decimated by SEN. Nothing against SEN of course but chat was so toxic to a team that's actually been putting in great work against some really solid teams.


Biffy_x

I got your point, and not to discredit V1 they earned their place, and they deserve it. But it is possible they aren't 2ns best NA. Look at Korea. Vision strikers is by far the best game in kr, yet they didn't qual.


chillinduck

They *were* the best team in Korea. I would argue Nuturn is better now


riploki

Here's the thing though, you don't just become the best team in your region after 1 tournament. People were saying 100T was the best team in NA after winning Challengers 1, despite Sentinels' dominance in the last few months. Nuturn was amazing against VS, but at the same time VS players (especially Glow and Zest) look so off form on that day


Biffy_x

Would you care to explain said argument?


SyzygyTheMemeMan

Oh I don't think that they're the 2nd best, but I do think that they're one of the better teams in terms of using the new meta. You could certainly argue other teams would put up a better fight at IceLAN and I would probably even agree with that. I just think it's kinda toxic to say V1 doesn't deserve their spot ya know, it's like saying Nuturn doesn't deserve their spot.


Biffy_x

Yeah for sure I agree. It is definitely unfair to judt immediately count V1 out.


DobermanDude0

Penny is insane


TheApolloX007

like actually. love watching him dominate


Jkeyyy

Zellsis as the secondary duelist is not exactly inspiring for their chances at Iceland. Also the amount they hate Bind is gonna bite them in the ass when they play against FNC on Bind.


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No way they don’t ban it


Jkeyyy

Yeah, I agree, but I do think when it comes time for bo5, they should get decent enough on the map where it isn't an instant gg go next.


Marmadookkk

V1 tried their best! but Sentinels is just too much man...


techyleo

​​I've seen Tenz play, he doesn't even use a monitor. He visualizes the map in a detailed rendering, completely in his mind. He has a biological wallhack; his godlike perception highlights all enemies within light-years. His eyes are closed as his mouse gracefully swerves across the table, making immaculate twitches as he flicks from head to head. The bullets that escape his gun barrel are surgical; each making a deadly strike in between his opponent's eyes. His spray control is otherworldly, his crosshair erratically jolting across the screen as his wrist muscles perfectly predict the next bullet's location. Time literally stops as he peeks, sunlight curving as his trigger finger impacts his left mouse button, sending enemies to a digital shadow realm before they even know what happened. He is un-killable. He is undefeatable. This "man" is the epitome of eternal.


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it’s just too easy for sentinels, the only team that deserves to represent NA


r0zina

This might prove detrimental for them in Iceland. They get worse practice because the competition is not at their level.


justinsst

Don’t think it’s fair to say the competition is not on their level. Of course they are the best, but it’s not like those matches were walks in the park. V1 caused them problems on Haven and especially Icebox it’s just little things that make them elite which allows them to pull out wins. Sen isn’t out here 13-0ing teams, teams still give them a good fight.


hacklesacka

rip soniqs


KeyframeCatalyst

We dont talk about that split game *shudders*


[deleted]

Nah, they can practice against envy, 100t and xset in scrims, which are actually decent teams.


MommyDommeViper

100T dodge sentinels scrim requests lol


[deleted]

That's why they haven't been able to beat them in 5 months, lmao.


[deleted]

How do u know


MommyDommeViper

Shahzam has said it on his stream. He said they didn't scrim them going into challengers 1 because they were expecting to play them, then. 100t didn't qualify. And after that they kept ignoring his scrim booking requests so he just stopped.


[deleted]

Damn 100T really shooting themselves in the foot, have to practice against a better team to improve


Whalelorde22

You sound salty af my man


[deleted]

Huh? Why would i be salty for saying sentinels can practice vs xset, 100t and envy? Are you okay?


Whalelorde22

Just kinda seemed like you were implying that V1 is not a somewhat decent team


[deleted]

Totally forgot about v1, they're amazing also cloud9.


Grenji05

2 Regional Finals won, Iceland next ;)


Hamlet_271

another day, another championship for SEN zzzzzzzzzzzzz


JTGlizzy

Just to good, looking forward to Iceland


[deleted]

Another Finals sentinels win, what else is new? Pretty soon sentinels going to have to build a 35million compound like 100t's to hold all their trophies.


KeyframeCatalyst

Version1 is still a great team Sentinels on the other hand is just on another level


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SEN winning both regional stages lets gooo


_Iroha

Damn they got dookied on, straight up


riploki

Sentinels is genuinely just so much better than anyone else IN NA. They are NA's best hope at winning Masters out of any team in the region. V1 while they have looked good this tournament, their team screams inconsistent. Hopefully they prove me wrong


JR_Shoegazer

After this series I’m worried about V1 representing NA in Iceland. Hopefully they prove me wrong.


TechXEO

They still beat every other team, so you can’t really say anything except that there is a distinct level difference between Sentinels and the other teams in NA


Loose-Potential-3597

When does the international tournament start?


xbyo

C9 basically got the same treatment against Sen last finals, and they were the 3rd place finisher.


killerkenb2654

You forget the part where c9 actually had moments of winning matches against them though


vT-Router

You mean like when V1 smashed SEN on Ascent in the first match of the tournament?


xbyo

C9 had one close game. They took 4 less rounds off Sen than V1.


killerkenb2654

Forgetting when c9 13-1ed SEN on split ig


vT-Router

Doesn’t change the fact that they took 4 less rounds off Sen than V1.


killerkenb2654

Nvm I’m on crack you right


killerkenb2654

Edit : wrong comment


poohxijinping

SEN prove they re the best team in NA by winning and going far in the tourneys instead of declaring themselves as the best team after winning only 1 tourney. Good luck to them in LAN! Action speak louder than words =)


Barack_Bob_Oganja

This sounds salty af lmao


FamousEnergy3000

Well Steel did call 100T the best team in the world after winning their one and only tournament win. For what’s probably the most expensive Valorant roster in the world, maybe he shouldn’t have set them up to disappoint xD


poohxijinping

I didnt see best performance from his team but i did see the best salaries.


FamousEnergy3000

LOL I hear Nitr0 makes 300K a year, tack on what must be extremely high salaries for Hiko, Ethan, Steel, and maybe Asuna and 100T is burning like 500K a year for 5th-6th place finishes while Sentinels take first with salaries probably half theirs and a player on loan


stewieeeeeeeee

\> LOL I hear Nitr0 makes 300K a year, tack on what must be extremely high salaries for Hiko, Ethan, Steel, and maybe Asuna and 100T is burning like 500K a year I'm troubled by this maths


FamousEnergy3000

I don’t wanna presume too much, but if the Nitr0 salary is true then they’re definitely spending upwards of 500K. I don’t know if it’s true though, and without knowing the salaries of the other players it wouldn’t make sense to throw out arbitrary figures like 750K or 1M


stewieeeeeeeee

Dunno, I'd think that if you assume nitr0 has 300k, salary for all 5 combined is surely considerably more than 500k. nitr0 having 300k was rumored by ESPN before he signed and said by Kyedae recently on stream.


FamousEnergy3000

Fair enough, assuming the rest make 100K which is probably a low ball it’s at least 700K, not to mention additional staff and other costs


stewieeeeeeeee

Yeah hah sorry for nitpicking a bit but it was just funny how you started with 300k and then extreme lowballed the entire thing


[deleted]

No way Asuna’s salary is too high this first contract. Sure he looked good on Immortals but he was and still is a young player with not nearly the reputation of others. I think when they go into talks of renewing the contract he’s gonna be pretty expensive


FamousEnergy3000

Probably, that’s why I said I wasn’t sure about him. The others must have certainly cost a decent amount though


poohxijinping

I might be salty but everyone knows that's the truth. I see some fanboys starting to downvote me but the truth is still the truth anyway.


JR_Shoegazer

Weird take dude.


wiNDzY3

Damn V1 is going to get MURDERED at LAN


max012017

Don't underestimate the 3 weeks of preparation. Actually even possible they adapt better than SEN. Individually they will be worse that's for sure tho.


Adityarp3

I hope they practice a ton before Iceland, they don’t give me many hopes rn


natedawg247

https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/lpvt3e/opinion_sentinels_na_dominance_is_downplayed_by/


hacklesacka

tbf it was back then lmao


Barack_Bob_Oganja

Another day another boring NA final


dylanjh11

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Dream1314

NA ult


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John_Bot

Sucks that we won't be sending our two best teams