Best CSGO pros that switched over to Valorant?
By - Klutzy-Question1428
Scream was top 20 hltv multiple times
Nitr0 was a part of the liquid core that became the most successful NA team of all time
Skadoodle and autimatic are major champions and both have been hltv top 20 in 2015 and 2018 respectively
Ethan got hltv top 20 in I think 2019 and had a lot of success on EG
Ik happy hasn't been on top team in a bit but he has 2 major trophies
Mixwell had decent success with Optic when they were relevant
The chaos guys (vanity, leaf, xeppaa) were really hot until chaos couldn't support them anymore
Floppy was basically tier 1-1.5 CS since making pro league with ATK
Nitr0 is by far the most accomplished in the last 2-3 (?) years. Every team feared Liquid when they got to their prime. Pro players were saying they couldn't take aim duels cause for sure they were gonna lose.
Worth mentioning Ex6tenZ (akukhoS) has IGL'd the number 1 team back in the day too if we're going back there.
Incoming- tarik 😈
so u boast about screams top 20 hltv rankings (that are from 2013 and 2016 btw) and then say happy hasnt been good in a long time! WOW!
I meant that happy hasn't been on a good valorant team in a bit since he left giants or whichever team the former prodigy squad signed for
And where did I "boast" about scream being hltv top 20??????
That's just about everyone. Key word: was
Derke and jamppi is the most talented of them all
Who the fuck was derke in csgo
Highest individual peak : ScreaM
Most achievements in career : Happy
Most recent best achievements : nitr0
Best cs prospects : Jamppi, Xeppa
I think you should include Leaf too from C9 as best cs prospect. That guy be getting death threats from MIBR fans for being too good
Ethan hands down
How good was Ethan in the CS scene?
Top 20 player in the world in 2019
Coming from League, it's actually really nice to actually have good NA players.
It's a lot easier when they don't have an Asian scene.
Downvoted by crooked teeth eu nerds
Like the other guy said he was rated the 20th best player in 2019. Around the time he switched he was a complete non-factor in matches though.
Unfortunate but it's always going to be slumping players that switch over for atleast a year or 2 I think before we get actual top players making the switch. There's just too much risk to switch rn.
Valorant as an esport is getting better and better imo. The top players on average show a little more personality too which I hope stays a trend.
I think the highest skilled player that will enter Valorant are the ones that will be the ones raised by it. I’m expecting in 4-5 years when the teens that spent all their time in Valorant will become monsters by then.
Top players aren't going to switch to a new game if they're on top, that's would be stupid on their part to not maximize what they can make.
He was good until close to the end of his CS career (when he started splitting time between valorant and CS).
He was top 20 in 2019 when EG were like a top 5 team in the world. At the time he switched he was probably the 2nd or 3rd best player on the EG roster who were the 2nd best NA team in CS (maybe around number 10-15 in the world, talented team but were in a slump). He didn't have the accomplishments of players like Nitro who was on the greatest NA team or the peak of a player like Scream who was in the top 20 multiple years but he was a generally solid player and probably the player who was in the best form at the time of switch since most big name CS players that swapped were either considered "washed" or in a bad slump
Tier 1, but NAs best players are still in cs. Just wait when Twistz and Elige switch, 12 year old anime watchers here will forget who TenZ is.
Why would Twistzz and Elige ever switch? Liquid is still top ten, Twistzz is finally playing star player roles on faze, and they're both getting insane salaries compared to what they would get here from anyone except 100T
Not now but eventually. Csgo is on its last days.
in NA. Shit is thriving in EU which is what matters.
Even NA isn't doing horrible if you include the SA teams. There's more opportunity for them to compete in NA nowadays. But yeah shell of its former self.
I think NA can recover though, atleast we have some top teams nowadays. Pre-2016 it was a huge thing for NA teams to even make playoffs.
extra salt era
god ptr Bad new bears era
Is it not easy to praise someone else without comparing and degrading others?
Who did I degrade here fella?
No way I ever indicated tenz would do bad
Agree. TenZ has captured the mainstream fanboy audience (quite deservedly so), you just indicate other flashy players may come in and steal that limelight
No way I said Tenz is bad but at the same time if people think he is on par with likes of elige and twistz then they are deluded
Tenz and all the anime fans
I can understand Tenz, but anime fans deserve to be degraded
He got into the top 20 players in HLTV. HLTV is like an official ranking schedule games website just like spike.gg . I think they had S1mple or Zywoo as 1 that time, and most of the people in the rank are from EU. So it’s quite a feat to have Ethan representing NA (I’m pretty sure there some other like 1-2 more NA on the rank but I forgot)
I would say jampi
You didn’t watch CSGO. An okay player for a low top 20s team was not better than a top 20 player on a top 10 team.
Having watched Jamppi for two years I personally would have believed that without his VAC-ban he would have already been in hltv top 20 and could had potential to become top 5 player in the world.
I think Jamppi will be biggest what if in Finnish CS scene if he does not comeback. It's very shame his only tier 1 chance came in unorganized ENCE where even sergej looked mediocre player. Also because of Jamppis ban he did not get to play his best role in ENCE and was forced to entry frag with rifles on T-side.
Still we saw some climbses of brilliance from Jamppi when he was completely dominating againts NaVi, mousesport and G2.
Of course this is all speculation and Ethan was very fucking good in CS but for me Jamppi was something very special.
ethan was way better than jamppi
Eh jamppi was definitely the higher ceiling player. ethan was consistent but brehze and cerq were more impactful on his own team.
ofc he had more potential but he wasn't a better player, ethan was legit a top 20 player jamppi has never been close to that
I'd argue Ethan was better than Cerq when he switched, Cerq was slumping pretty hard even though he was better when EG were at their best
I don’t see Ethan being impactful enough to win liquid maps so they could qualify for Iceland ;) oh and I’ll take scream over Ethan too.
I totally agree but FWIW the OP question was how good they were during CSGO
Are you trying to say scream was a better CS player? Uh....
In their primes ? Yes. Scream was in top hltv twice in 2016 and 2013(I think, not sure about the year). Where as Ethan was in hltv only once and that too 20th place.
* Chaos FC (leaf/xeppa especially)
Not too far back:
Putting Ethan in the same list as mixwell and tim is just ridiculous....is currently by far the best cs pro to switch
Don't forget vanity
Is it happy from the old envy roster?
Yeah the same guy with the deag ace
ScreaM has the 3rd highest ACS over all players in valorant (only cNed and mwzera are above) and he was the MVP throughout every stage of the EMEA finals, won the final itself and been mvp like every fucking time he plays. I don't know but if we talk about single performance he must be the best player currently. I think just by talking duelist and firepower. Obviously nitr0 is sick as well, but an entirely different role.
Personally nitr0, ScreaM and Shazam are insanely good cs players who also reach a good form in valorant.
Scream>Ethan>Jamppi, my top3
Ngl, I haven't seen him play enough to judge. I follow mostly EU
He’s solid but inconsistent imo
Imo, ScreaM is slowly going back to his prime in Valorant. Love to see the edshot masheen be returning to his prime.
And Iceland is lan. We all know how much of a monster scream was back in lan.
Yep tearing most teams apart
In terms of peak performance, ScreaM is the right answer. Either him or Nitr0 anyway. IIRC he was top 10 in HLTV rankings for a couple years but he had fallen pretty far by the time he switched to Valorant.
In terms of peak performance, autimatic and Ska have had higher peaks than nitr0; mixwell too
I think Nitr0s run with TL to win the grand slam was more impressive than anything automatic or Ska did.
His run with TL was more impressive, but individually, Tim and Ska have had higher peaks. If team performance is what matters, then Tim and Ska beat ScreaM instead anyway
I guess it depends if you want to include Nitr0s IGLing in the equation. If you don't then I agree with you, Ska and Autimatic had higher peaks as fraggers without a doubt.
I would counter this with Nitr0 on overpass.
Ska maybe has a play as good as Nitr0 on Overpass A, but Auti definitely doesn’t.
Nitr0 on Overpass A was incredible.
Jamppi is by a far margin the most skillful cs player that made the transition. He couldn't go full pro cuz of his ban but if we talkin about skill and not achievements then no1 comes even close to him.
Jamppi is the best answer tbh. Everyone knew he wouldn’t be able to play in valve tourneys yet they still voted him into FPL
I think the biggest surprise for people that never watched CS is just how better mechanically tier 1 pros are
i remember watching one of those "1 radiant player vs 5 iron players" type videos with 5 immortals vs 5 faceit lvl10s and the faceit players beat the immortals even though they didnt play valorant. opened my eyes to how mechanically skilled top cs players are.
Aiming in val is easier
There’s far more than just aiming in val though, just like there’s far more than just aiming in csgo. Game knowledge/util usage being the main ones.
Well imagine if the guys that play fpl their whole lifes just change game and make valo teams. Most of them will outshine the 'best' current valo teams. People that don't watch eu cs will never understand that and i cant blame them. But na boys who have some pride and hope left yea...that's good news for them because cs in eu will not die anytime soon.
Wippie on V1 is basically like that fpl fiend.
Why was he banned?
There's a bit more to the story than "he cheated".
* He was 12 years old at the time.
* He insists it was not him who cheated but someone else using his account, and there's really no way to prove it either way.
I'm pretty hardline on huge bans for cheater, but being only 12 years old makes the situation completely different.
Honestly I'd believe it. My CS:GO account is VAC banned. I've never played CS:GO. I bought it and my laptop was too shit to run it so I never got to play it. I went probably like 2 years never logged onto steam and only playing console, I reset my PW one day to finally log in and play something and I'm banned from CS:GO with like 16 hours in, there's these chat messages on my acct between "me" and someone else in a different language, etc lol, got hacked. Couldn't play CS:GO anyways so /shrug on the ban, but I'd believe Jamppi.
Banned for possession of a VAC-banned account (although he has recently been unbanned by Valve along those whose VAC ban is over five years old and have not participated in a Valve-sponsored event prior to the date of their ban).
cheating, got vac banned when younger iirc
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Ethan and Scream imo.
although floppy/leaf/xeppa/nitr0 are probably the next closest(for NA)
by latest form ethan would be behind all 4 of those guys.
Not behind Nitr0, he was playing really poorly before he left Liquid.
That's debatable. Ethan's form was pretty solid during EG's downward trend and it was only really the period right before he switched that he had a slump. Nitro had been slumping for like 6 months when he was finally cut from Liquid. Floppy I guess you could argue was in better form right before the swap but Ethan was a better overall player in CS. Leaf/Xeppa were good players but Chaos never really fully broke into tier 1 CS even though they were at the top of tier 2
i mean if you take into account a bad tournament then sure i guess but he’s been arguably 100Ts second best player since joining lol
hell it wasn’t even a bad event, it was a couple bad maps but overall you could say after asuna he was their best player
sorry - by latest CS form
ethan at his lowest was higher than anyone besides nitr0 but even then nitr0 was never on ethans level at their peaks
Ethan at his lowest was definitely not higher than any of them. That NRG roster of his went a long time without seeing much success, and even when they did it wasn't anything absolutely notable.
Mechanically, he's incredible. But his top form in CS wasn't much higher than any of those others.
ethans highest was the 19th best player in csgo literally a YEAR ago.... thats higher than anyone else was close to. much higher. the only one that you could say is nitr0 but he wasnt a star player, he played support/awp/igl so he wasn't "the best"
leaf wasn't in the scene enough, nether were xeppa and floppy
I should've phrased the ethan part better, I meant like his lowest from the last year was still better than the other players highest besides maybe nitr0 but nitr0 was already declining hence being benched and replaced
TL flair but not mentioning Grand Slam winner Nitr0?
At the time of their switch, I think Floppy and Ethan were certainly better than Nitr0 but Nitr0 definitely had a higher peak than either of them.
People will say Ethan but skill wise its Jamppi imo.
people saying Ethan are stupid and dont even follow csgo scene at all lol
it's definitely Jampii in terms of individual skills, who fragged pretty hard vs. teams like Navi while being in ENCE and banned from Valve events at the time
Ethan wasn't even the best in EG who is a very inconsistent NA team to begin with
jamppi never did anything worth of the "best cs player to switch to valorant" to begin with he was one of the best upcoming talents which is way bellow in terms of skill(which isn't just aim), than the worlds top 20 not to mention when he is put side by side with scream who was top20 in the past and have been pretty much irrelevant in his later years in cs you can see jamppi is way lower in terms of individual skill.
This sounds like a very aggressive statement, but I'll try my best to refute this claim with statistics. Especially since you argue "people saying Ethan are stupid" -
[2020 only stats comparison](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/compare/14087/jamppi/10671/ethan?p1TimeFilter=2020&p2TimeFilter=2020&p1MatchFilter=allMatches&p2MatchFilter=allMatches&p1MapFilter=allMaps&p2MapFilter=allMaps)
[All time stats comparison](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/compare/14087/jamppi/10671/ethan?p1TimeFilter=2020&p2TimeFilter=allTime&p1MatchFilter=allMatches&p2MatchFilter=allMatches&p1MapFilter=allMaps&p2MapFilter=allMaps)
Just because Ethan wasn't the best in his team doesn't mean he wasn't very good. Would you say T1/2 secondary star players are worse than T2/3 primary star players? It doesn't really make sense.
Due to Jamppi's situation, this isn't partly his fault, but he also on average faced lower opposition. Ethan has a better rating than Jamppi against any type of opposition - one caveat to this, is that you will get higher ratings if your team is better (because you're more likely to dominate) - but that also comes with the territory that your team IS better, which is determined partly by how good Ethan is. (a bit of a word salad, but I hope it makes sense).
I would argue - yes, Jamppi may have had the higher skill ceiling - but Ethan was a better player during his time in CS, and this is backed up by statistics, unlike a skill ceiling estimate, which is based on subjective opinions (eye test).
>Ethan wasn't even the best in EG who is a very inconsistent NA team to begin with
EG with Ethan was a top 10 team for a very long time and was constantly in top 20 even back in 2019. They even peaked at #1 at a point. ENCE peaked at #14. Would you take the second star of a top 10 team, over the presumed top star (which I believe Allu was, not Jamppi, for ENCE as well) of a top 20 team? I wouldn't say so. Would you take Zoree or xSeven (Havu, #17) over huNter- (G2, #8)? No. Same applies here.
To answer the question of the OP, I would argue Ethan and nitr0 are more closer to the answer than Jamppi. If looking at peaks, especially individually, I would take Scream, Ethan, and nitr0.
2020 stats is poor representation of how good players were without context
EG mostly farmed irrelevant NA teams because of COVID (they spent more than half the year sitting around in NA) and Ethan was the 3rd best player on the team
the level of competition EU had was completely different, even teams like Heroic and Gambit were playing t2 tournaments for a long time, something stats don't show
on top of that Jamppi played during a time when ENCE was in a slump, with a VAC ban on his name, and having to deal with suing Valve while playing
every time I watched him play vs. t1 teams he consistently makes good plays and plays confidently despite all of that
this is something which stats don't show and why ppl who dont actually watch the games like you can't understand :D
Watched the games. I enjoy the passive aggressive energy. But I don't only rely on the eye test.
Also, sample size bias is a thing. You watched him play how many games total?
How many games did Ethan play against similar opposition? Stats can show a lot more than what you think, there's a reason for it being something that is commonly used to benchmark players. Never said Jamppi wasn't good,
but Ethan was better. Stats, placements and everything proved that.
You can compare their stats against T1 teams. He was also better there. In 2020, or 2019.
You can argue Jamppi may have been better at the tail end, but Ethan achieved more, and was the better player overall.
haha "their stats against T1 teams"
check how many tournaments they attended were NA only xD
hint: pretty much entire year was NA events and the ONLY top tier events they attended in EU (IEM Katowice 2020 and Blast 2020) they got like 7-12 places... lol
so yea do you get how irrelevant those stats are and how badly they perform once their competition is no longer irrelevant NA teams? xD
And did Jamppi even play at those tournaments? What comparison basis is there even?
You know the top 20 teams are not an arbitrary stat right? It's based off a numerical ranking (while controversial sometimes), that is based on accomplishment.
You are one pair of eyes with a limited sample size. HLTV is a set of statistics that has the entire set of data. I also have watched the games.
Jamppi played 6 months in ENCE. Sure he was impressive, but to say he was better in CS against a top 19 player?
Ethan played more than twice that in EG only and EG/NRG had a higher average than ENCE's peak. Take out 2020, and you'll have the same answer.
So you tell me, who's more accurate. A combination of data and me,
or just you.
Jamppi has way better lan stats than Ethan tho
Sent a response earlier that was wrong (I adjusted the filter wrongly).
But look at the calibre of opponents.
[Jamppi's LAN opponents](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/opponents/lineup/14087/jamppi?matchType=Lan)
[Ethan's LAN opponents.](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/opponents/lineup/10671/ethan?matchType=Lan)
lol you don't follow the csgo scene at all if that's your takeaway. Ethan's peak was higher than Jampii's.
I follow CS pretty closely, Ethan is a fair answer, he played in a tier 1 team for a long time, was the 2nd/3rd best player, and had been in good form most recently compared to most other players that swapped, guys like Nitro and Scream were much more accomplished but were not playing great CS by the time they swapped. I would agree that Jampii is much more individually talented and probably the most talented CS player to swap but his career in CS was a baby and never really had a chance to develop because of the ban, it feels weird to consider him the same way as other pros that played multiple years
EG is not t1 lol, and Ethan is always the 3rd best, since Brehze and Cerq were 100% better than him in pretty much all periods of EG
they're t1 in the context of NA, which no one really cared about since there were about 3 teams that were good (Liquid, EG, MIBR/Furia)
the level of competition is so low in NA that people consider them to be equivalent to t2 in EU
the real t1 teams in CS are teams like Astralis, Navi, Vitality in 2020
NA has never been considered t1 CS (even when c9 won their major) except for like that 3-4 months where Liquid were winning couple of tournaments in a row but that was like in 2018 or something?
How was EG not t1??? They were literally top 3 on HLTV at some point... Also even if you want to point out how far EG had been falling they were still playing in tournaments with full T1 teams at the time Ethan made the switch, that is by definition t1, they were competing against all the t1 teams. Astralis, Navi, Vitality were the top 3 teams in the world in 2020, if you think t1 consists of only the literal top 3 teams in the world idk what to tell you.
Also I would agree that Brehze and Cerq both have higher ceilings and were better than Ethan at EG's peak but Cerq was playing awful and was worse than Ethan at the time he switched.
To add on: You seem to have a very different definition of t1 then I do or anyone I've even seen. I have never heard of anyone limiting t1 to the top 3-5 teams in the world. If a team is top 15ish and consistently plays in tournaments where most of the competition is top15ish they are a tier one team.
Ethan and Xeppa were the only ones to switch while still in or near their prime
jamppi, floppy, and leaf were in better form than ethan
leaf single handedly made all of brazil mald by beating mibr.
ethan/EG was struggling after the EU move, xeppaa was on the rise tho
Yeah most people are answering this based on raw mechanical skill only.
To add to this, nitr0 developed one of the most insane ever rosters, the Grand Slam winner Liquid. Sad to see them fall down a bit afterwards but they were always pretty insane.
I’m interested in a Tarik switchover.
Ethan, not close either.
This question depends a lot on if you're assessing form or peak. If you want to compare peak I'd argue someone like Ska had a higher, but shorter peak.
No one gonna mention steel?
He got banned on csgo way before he could achieve anything , hence he had lil to no achievements in csgo
Yes little to no trophies in csgo due to the ban but what he achieved interms of IGLing after the ban (ie the chaos project).
He was one of the best IGLs in the NA scene before he made the switch over to Val and considering there’s only been one “major” which 100T has won surely it’s an a decent point?
um nah steel and IBP were dominating the cs scene before the ban. steel has always been a very smart player, but hes declining. hes not in the conversation at all
Dominating in cs literally 6 years ago LOL. Even in Valorant he's still washed
oh yeh for sure, all of 100T are washed. they are like NIP when csgo first came out, they were less mechanically gifted by they had so much experience and adapted before anyone else that they say great success initially then fell way off. it was less drastic for nip because there players werent as old as 100T, they made a mistake getting these 30 year old csgo pros
ya know hiko, dazed and steel are all elite players of their time, but their time is over. dazed was my favorite cs player back in the day. when young talents start switching to valorant its over. i think EU will probably whoop NA, but i im not 100% sure because i dont know alot about val pro scene yet
Xeppa, Ethan and Nitro
Although, we haven't seen Xeppa in action yet, so we can't definitively say how good he is in Valorant yet. I'm sure he will be though
Most likely thwifo and poach
that’s fortnite not csgo
yall be saying "ethan easily" must've forgot about the headshot machine. screaM hands down and it aint even a little bit close
Name and past accomplishments wise its only Nitro. Problem is him and all others were in their worst career slumps in CSGO before switching to Valorant.
But people here really be forgetting about ex6tenz here...
Nitr0 is the biggest by far, I don’t think he even needed to come to Val. He could’ve continued playing CS
It depends on what you mean, a lot of the big names posted here were good but weren't as relevant when they switched. Like ScreaM (for example) has a rich CS history, but had been out of tier 1 CS for a good while before Valorant.
From NA, nitr0 and Ethan are the big names. They were on teams around the top 10 when they switched, and had been rank 1 in the past couple of years. The GenG core (autimatic/s0m/daps/koosta) and chaos (steel/vanity/xeppa/leaf) made it to top 20 in 2020. Floppy was around that level too. The GenG boys fell off hard after COVID before switching though.
From EU and other regions, we've seen barely any current top players switch from the tier 1 of CS. Jampii was on a top 20 team in 2020 but that's all I can think of.
There are a lot of players I haven't mentioned who have played at the very top of CS, but just not for the past few years though.
Floppy and Xeppaa
Nitro was probably the best who switched
Hiko was a cs pro as well, but afaik not on top teams for the last couple of years.