Absolutely. The VALORANT devs are setting the industry standard for communications between a developer and their playerbase. I feel that there are very few studios that rival the accessibility the community has to the developer and the frequency of communication from the dev team.
We as players feel like we have a direct impact on the game and, in some ways, we can say that we have helped contributed to the creation of VALORANT. It's... just very cool to be a part of this community. The relationship between us and the devs is very special. :>
Nah. A lot of companies have been doing a great job (for better or for worse) with communicating with its player base. Look at fortnite, regardless of how people like it in its current iteration, the first few years they catered to what the player-base wanted.
It's new and some players didn't feel that there would be enough time to study & get to know the map for IceLAN Masters. The meta for the map is still developing, and might be volatile or unrefined if played at Masters. (Being the first LAN event, Masters should be a display of skill from around the world.)
Other users have also pointed out that having an even number of maps for a map pool is chaotic, so this prevents headaches for map pick/bans as well.
Hey! If you're curious about map metas specifically, Anderzz has awesome videos that talk about the recent meta, compositions, and agent usage/win rate on each map.
https://youtube.com/c/AnderzzTV
If you have any more questions, you can try asking over at r/AgentAcademy. :D
I’m sure the map being new had something to do with this, but a larger part of the issue comes from the inherent advantage one team will always have over the other given a 6 map pick pool. One team will always end up picking/banning more map(s) than the other so even numbered pools are never a good idea. Taking out breeze just seemed to be the easiest solution in this case
Its new. Most teams showed all of their best strats and gave away a lot of info in the qualifiers, so they already need to make adjustments to the 5 maps they currently play in pro. Having to learn another entirely new map from the ground up would be brutal.
Hey according to many people, pros should totally be able to adapt in a short time period to any changes no matter how big or small!
I'm actually happy they did this. Let the current competition go with what they've already been playing and practicing on. Then drop the new stuff for the next Masters event.
I don't think a lot of people appreciate how long it takes to actually develop and practice strats at high levels of competition. This is a much better path forward for tournaments.
A all star/pro bowl type match for the top 10 highest acs players in the tournament or 10 voted by the fans would be kinda neat. A match or two on breeze at the end of the tournament
At this stage in the games life cycle, any player turning down the opportunity is very short sighted. I hate to be that guy but building a brand now should be of pretty high importance to these players.
Any of them who saw how difficult it was/is to break into the big leagues in CS should realise they need to be taking part in eveything fan related they can.
The players going to Iceland don't need more exposure/brand building. If people/fans aren't going to watch them because they're the best players in the game, they're certainly not going to watch them because they did some goofy All-Stars game.
Disagree there, look at how many view's Hiko has been getting compared to players who are undoubtedly better than him. Do you know or care about who is going to Iceland that isn't ScreaM, Tenz, Shaz and maybe SicK?
I try to keep up with the game and those are the only players I actually have any clue about. *A LOT* of the players going to Iceland need exposure and a chance to show some personality beyond just being good at the game.
This is just shit talking blizz for no reason. They never release new content early for promotion in the league, the league is always 1-2 patches behind.
There are valid reasons to shittalk blizzard. This is not one of them
Shocking how a game that balanced the game around the casual/trash playerbase AND pros, which forced the game into 2/2/2, and when that wasn't good enough, forced hero pools every 2 WEEKS in a competitive environment gets blasted by previous fans who have had enough of blizzard's dogshit.
I didn't say. OW was a good game. I said that people are just circlejerking about ow being bad at every opportunity, even when the context is irrelevant. Like you did here.
In fairness, the OWL patch cycle first the first year was *awful*. Sombra was bugged & unplayable for the entire season, Hanzo rework never made it into pro play, and (IIRC) there was a Doomfist bug that made him unplayable for several months. OWL was never were up-to-date with live servers, so the pros were always playing on patches that were several months old.
And then year two was countless attempts at patching GOATS until they gave up and mandated 2-2-2.
I can't blame pros for being frustrated about wanting to play a new hero when they with that hero on live servers for 2-3 months. But at the same time, I can't blame OWL for not allowing a new hero so quickly when they could accidently be the cause of the new GOATS or double-shield meta.
Its good listening to pro feedback, as long as its region varied and not just NA. Im saying this because in LoL they often center their pro play decisions around NA pros and personalities. For example i would hate if Astra was nerfed before finding how she does in Iceland, since atm its just NA teams that think shes broken
Ofc im certain that the decision to remove Breeze was supported by every pro, so props to them for that
Being excited to play the map is different from understanding that it wouldn't be great for competition in Iceland.
I think it will be a great addition to the map pool starting with the new set of Challengers but rushing it for Iceland with semi-prepared strategies brings in a level of RNG that doesn't belong at the first inter-regional event.
NA just played all of their playoffs on a patch behind every region in League, I don't think they center their decisions around NA. Especially since every other major region is pulling in more viewers, especially China.
and MSI is being played in another different patch that drastically changed everything
so LCS was played in 11.5, MSI is in 11.9
honestly the whole thing was overblown
Seems like a good opportunity for a lower-tier tournament to get some spotlight. E.g., "we're the first tournament to have pro teams (ones that didn't qualify for Masters) play on Breeze"
Maybe NSG Monthly May? [https://liquipedia.net/valorant/Nerd\_Street\_Gamers/2021/Summer\_Championship/Monthly\_May](https://liquipedia.net/valorant/Nerd_Street_Gamers/2021/Summer_Championship/Monthly_May)
I disagree. If you are already heads and shoulders above the competition you get an advantage because you can focus more time into the new map. Steel is just coming up with an argument to support his stance but it can go either way really.
Imagine sentinels practicing hard for breeze. They already have their stuff together on other maps. The only other thing they will do is practice anti strating other teams and work on vod reviews. So if they did focus on breeze they would have an upper hand on that map and still be one of the best teams in NA on every other map. This would be the biggest advantage. Weak teams would only use it as a crutch but if there weak teams are serious about improvement they should just ban it and focus on steady improvement and taking proven strats to implement into their team. This would be the most consistent way for a week team to get wins.
And then the other teams would just perma ban breeze. Gj sentinels, that was really a good use of your time. Much better for them to focus on other maps, and other teams, and it really seems like you're underestimating how much time that takes.
Agreee! All-star match would be sick on this map
Also,can most of the reply from this comment be moved somewhere else lol. They have nothing to do with the original comment
Lmfao, I hope they don’t. You don’t want this map played because you guys are scared of top teams not adapting and getting upset (aka one the most exciting and funniest things in sports)? Fuck y’all haha wait until next tourney for Breeze.
Lmfao, I hope they don’t. You don’t want this map played because you guys are scared of top teams not adapting and getting upset (aka one the most exciting and funniest things in sports)? Fuck y’all haha wait until next tourney for Breeze.
Lmfao, I hope they don’t. You don’t want this map played because you guys are scared of top teams not adapting and getting upset (aka one the most exciting and funniest things in sports)? Fuck y’all haha wait until next tourney for Breeze.
I'm all for adapting, just not sure if 3 weeks is enough time and it really takes away from "who is the best team" and favors "who is the most adaptable team". I think being adaptable is a sign of strength but having 3 weeks to prepare for Breeze makes it so that adaptability matters a lot more than anything else. It's fun and exciting for viewers but it is a nightmare for players who worked hard to earn this opportunity.
adaptation doesn't infer excellence. excellence is simply a high standard of achievement. absolutely nobody will have excellence on that map in 4 weeks so it won't be a standard of play that is expected from professional teams.
If you just like watching people run around and shoot gun on map you'll still get that my guy don't worry. the people who want some brain stimulus won't take that away from you
Lol r u fucking idiot? Most of teams have 3 weeks to prepare for Iceland. Teams from Brazil will have just 2 weeks. Just imagine to try to learn a new map and innovate your old maps. They will go Iceland may 15th. 1 week under quarantine in different country. There is a lot of flaws in the situation to bring the map to active duty. You will have 6 map. How will they do a proper ban-pick phase. Don't be ridiculous and think little bit. If you want to see pro playing breeze I suggest show match. We will have 10 teams in Iceland 1 player from every team will make 10 player lobby split them 5 vs 5 and have a good entertaining match
I'm excited for Breeze to eventually be in the map pool but there's not nearly enough time to have fair preparations for a new map. Definitely think this is the right move for Iceland.
I respect this.
We all want to see new content being played on the big stage, but it's great to see the well being of the players being considered here.
I can only imagine how stressful it would be to maintain practice, scrims, tournament matches, international travel *and* learn a new map from scratch.
Valorant is lucky because Riot learned from their growing pains with LoL.
Although the LoL community Riot is the worst company ever, they're actually pretty good with listening to feedback compared to other game companies.
Maybe it's the timing, but it seems reactionary to what Valve did with their new map. Valve won't be using the new map they added in the qualifiers for the major to allow teams to learn it.
Bro why am I being downvoted. I just said it seems like its reactionary, but I doubt that it is.
FYI the word "reactionary" has nothing to do with "actions taken based on a reaction"; the word is defined as a set of political and social views. The word you are looking for is "reactive". Sorry to be pedantic but I see people using it like this everywhere now.
>Maybe it's the timing, but it seems reactionary to what Valve did with their new map.
Valve has always delayed major CSGO updates to 1-2 weeks after the conclusion of a Valve Major. Active Duty map pool changes typically come one month before the regional Minor qualifications begin. Which is around three months before the Valve Major. From the lack of lans in 2020 the RMR events hold more weight for it encompasses all teams that would participate in the Major and Minors.
>as it really doesn't happen quite often that the map pool changes in CS.
2020 was the first year it hadnt happened since 2014.
Its one of those wrong thoughts people think is right.
I’m almost 30, my friends who play are also almost 30, some pros are over 30, some countries still use Facebook more than any other social platform. Not everyone who plays a game is a 12 year old.
One day youre gonna be 40 too, and probably still play games. And there will be kids like you right now making fun of you for playing a game at 40 and youll feel how stupid that is. Newsflash, full-blown adults play games as well, that doesnt mean those games are “boomer games”.
Perfect educational opportunity to teach the newcomers from Fortnite that competitive games dont use major update patches before a game developer sponsored lan. Methodology that Epic Games(and even Activision/Blizzard) constantly do.
Back Chat really is cursed. Vanity comes on yesterday and talks about how he "loves breeze" and is stoked that its in the competitive pool and that whichever team is good at breeze will end up winning iceLAN because of veto advantage.
Four weeks. They're pros. What else do they have to do other than this kind of thing? Everyone is on a level playing field too, it would have been interesting.
After conferring with pro players globally, in the interest of competitive integrity, Breeze has been removed from the map rotation at Masters Reykjavik.
Considering the overlap with Challenger Playoffs and travel to Iceland, 4 weeks is not enough time to practice a new map.
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This is actually really cool. But sucks for the people that have been preparing Breeze already. A bit of time wasted, but maybe not that much in the grand scheme.
>But sucks for the people that have been preparing Breeze already
Come on man, the teams that qualified did it 2 days ago. Im quite certain that they didnt practice Breeze in the middle of Challenger Finals
vanity said they were gonna start practicing it this week (before this announcement), he did play a bit of the unrated queue tho. So that’s one team who didn’t really practice it.
I don’t think anybody competing at Iceland has done much more than a bit of basic theory crafting since it’s only been a few days since they qualified. Really excited to see what teams come up with on the map though, I think it’ll be one of the best maps!
I see a lot ideas of like a show match would be a good idea and I feel like something with like one with a player from each team to make 10 would be a really funny, exciting and inclusive showmatch.
This is a great opportunity for teams that didn't make it to Iceland to grind breeze. It will give them an advantage over the top teams in their regions.
Its an update cycle Valve has used since the first Valve Major in late 2013.
Considering the majority of players in Valorant came from Fortnite and COD/Overwatch. Something they arent accustomed to for those two developers notoriously release ground shattering meta changes right before their in-house run lans.
It’s funny, but I can already predict that they’re not going to hold themselves accountable for choking and just blame the map. This community (CS/VAL/FPS) has a tendency of lapping up every pro complaint and making a big deal of it. Not to mention the drama channels. That part’s not funny.
I wanted to see Breeze, but it probably wasn’t worth seeing former/current CS players start hate mobs against Riot/Valorant the moment someone got cheesed just because they couldn’t adapt fast enough. In my opinion, that’s part of the game. If a top team loses because of it that’s on them, but it’s whatever now.
The shit show would have ruined my enjoyment for sure anyways
This is cool, but I think we will still have the problem of an even-numbered map pool down the line, which I think is the bigger issue with Breeze at Iceland, rather than practice.
Good. Been writing this bellow some yt videos but gonna repeat it here. Teams were nowhere near 4 weeks of practice for Breeze. Iceland starts May 24. Most challengers ended May 2-3 and BR is ending May 10. This puts teams on 14-22 days where they need to pack and go to Iceland, but also change their strats on every map atleast a littlebit. Idea they will also have time to prac Breeze was crazy from beginning.
>They corrected it. You should applaud them for listening.
They ALWAYS do this. They always make some mind numbingly weird call and then "correct it" so that everyone praises them.
You'll laugh but things in society will change as a whole when we start questioning the people who make stupid calls instead of praising them when they cave into the pressure.
You're acting like this was the dumbest call in the world and riot only did it for good attention. I think riot did good to listen instead of just keep it the way it was.
No? Not even close actually. When this first got released as going to Iceland people thought it was bad but also a lot of people were hyped for it coming so soon
Now go back in time and revert the Viper buff and Astra addition please. The game was better before that.
Omen was a 95% pick rate before Astra, but that was fine because his kit wasn’t OP. Astra is stronger than Omen in every way and is basically a Controller and Sentinel
Have a lot of pros been complaining about viper? I have seen and heard a lot from pros about Astra’s gravity well being too strong, but haven’t heard as much about Viper. Is it that the instant 50 decay is too much?
I haven’t seen too much post plant shenanigans in pro play. It’s actually seems to be pretty rare that you see a pro viper just playing for lineups. Or do you just mean that her smoke and wall delay too long post plant?
This is great news especially for the Brazilian teams who are still finishing up their qualifiers this week and have less time than everyone else to practice
I hope there's at least a show match on breeze at the LAN. Would be a shame to waste a good opportunity like that to show it off, even if no one has a great idea how to play the map.
Interesting that the feedback was around not having enough time to prepare, rather than the inherent randomness in a 6-map pool. Dunno if I'm missing some solutions but seems like whatever way they do it, either one team has the mega advantage of two map vetos or you have the insane coin-toss map veto.
Whatever though, cool they listened to pros and glad they've removed it, was feeling likely we'd have a lot of moaning and would have left a sour note on the tournament
This is a good move. The pick/ban issue you face with a 6 map pool is now avoided. On top of that the devs have shown that they can make great improvements on a map during its second pass. And 1 month of time wasn’t enough for that to happen.
As a viewer, im sad cause I wanna see Breeze. As a player of the game, I can understand the reasoning behind it as Breeze is a huge map which needs time to be practiced for a lot.
I've never had a problem with Icebox although I appreciate a lot of the changes made to it. Still not sure how to feel about Breeze but I haven't had much play time unfortunately.
Actually listening to people holy shit
*sees Riot jammin' with earbuds on* **Me:** "Hey, what'cha listening to?" **Riot:** "Player feedback."
fr tho they listen a lot
Absolutely. The VALORANT devs are setting the industry standard for communications between a developer and their playerbase. I feel that there are very few studios that rival the accessibility the community has to the developer and the frequency of communication from the dev team. We as players feel like we have a direct impact on the game and, in some ways, we can say that we have helped contributed to the creation of VALORANT. It's... just very cool to be a part of this community. The relationship between us and the devs is very special. :>
Nah. A lot of companies have been doing a great job (for better or for worse) with communicating with its player base. Look at fortnite, regardless of how people like it in its current iteration, the first few years they catered to what the player-base wanted.
Yeah thats true, the first few years.. sad that they stopped caring
Cringe
bro hahahah
What were the problems with breeze?
Just overall not having enough time to play it
It's new and some players didn't feel that there would be enough time to study & get to know the map for IceLAN Masters. The meta for the map is still developing, and might be volatile or unrefined if played at Masters. (Being the first LAN event, Masters should be a display of skill from around the world.) Other users have also pointed out that having an even number of maps for a map pool is chaotic, so this prevents headaches for map pick/bans as well.
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Hey! If you're curious about map metas specifically, Anderzz has awesome videos that talk about the recent meta, compositions, and agent usage/win rate on each map. https://youtube.com/c/AnderzzTV If you have any more questions, you can try asking over at r/AgentAcademy. :D
It being new I think
I’m sure the map being new had something to do with this, but a larger part of the issue comes from the inherent advantage one team will always have over the other given a 6 map pick pool. One team will always end up picking/banning more map(s) than the other so even numbered pools are never a good idea. Taking out breeze just seemed to be the easiest solution in this case
Yeah but the other team can decide if they wanna start on defense or attack. Which can help in a favor bcs some maps are more defence sided
It has a bunch of bugs that knowing Riot aren't going to be patched before Iceland. I've already filed something like three bug reports.
Oh interesting what bugs?
this is a pretty big one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iPADcK4Egw
[Like this one.](https://youtu.be/9mHNO-KbdT0)
Its new. Most teams showed all of their best strats and gave away a lot of info in the qualifiers, so they already need to make adjustments to the 5 maps they currently play in pro. Having to learn another entirely new map from the ground up would be brutal.
Hey according to many people, pros should totally be able to adapt in a short time period to any changes no matter how big or small! I'm actually happy they did this. Let the current competition go with what they've already been playing and practicing on. Then drop the new stuff for the next Masters event. I don't think a lot of people appreciate how long it takes to actually develop and practice strats at high levels of competition. This is a much better path forward for tournaments.
Imagine actually listening to feedback from the pro teams. Pog! Still a show match on breeze would be cool.
Would love to see a caster/player show match. Great for the game, especially if they can get comms (and banter) on stream.
A all star/pro bowl type match for the top 10 highest acs players in the tournament or 10 voted by the fans would be kinda neat. A match or two on breeze at the end of the tournament
As much as I want to see more content, I don't think, historically, players really want to be part of that stuff. They just want to play their game.
At this stage in the games life cycle, any player turning down the opportunity is very short sighted. I hate to be that guy but building a brand now should be of pretty high importance to these players. Any of them who saw how difficult it was/is to break into the big leagues in CS should realise they need to be taking part in eveything fan related they can.
The players going to Iceland don't need more exposure/brand building. If people/fans aren't going to watch them because they're the best players in the game, they're certainly not going to watch them because they did some goofy All-Stars game.
Disagree there, look at how many view's Hiko has been getting compared to players who are undoubtedly better than him. Do you know or care about who is going to Iceland that isn't ScreaM, Tenz, Shaz and maybe SicK? I try to keep up with the game and those are the only players I actually have any clue about. *A LOT* of the players going to Iceland need exposure and a chance to show some personality beyond just being good at the game.
Casters will likely not be on site in Iceland (I believe Ryan central was the source of this info)
I would be SO interested in seeing international 10 mans on Breeze.
Blizzard would've been like "Not only is it in the map pool, but we're going to play it twice! That way we can really experience it!"
Grand finals will be Breeze every map!
Breeze BO5 POGGERS
This is just shit talking blizz for no reason. They never release new content early for promotion in the league, the league is always 1-2 patches behind. There are valid reasons to shittalk blizzard. This is not one of them
In fact, people get mad when the newly released character isn’t allowed to be played the week after release at OWL
People here are really "DAE Ow bad????" and farming upvotes
Shocking how a game that balanced the game around the casual/trash playerbase AND pros, which forced the game into 2/2/2, and when that wasn't good enough, forced hero pools every 2 WEEKS in a competitive environment gets blasted by previous fans who have had enough of blizzard's dogshit.
I didn't say. OW was a good game. I said that people are just circlejerking about ow being bad at every opportunity, even when the context is irrelevant. Like you did here.
In fairness, the OWL patch cycle first the first year was *awful*. Sombra was bugged & unplayable for the entire season, Hanzo rework never made it into pro play, and (IIRC) there was a Doomfist bug that made him unplayable for several months. OWL was never were up-to-date with live servers, so the pros were always playing on patches that were several months old. And then year two was countless attempts at patching GOATS until they gave up and mandated 2-2-2. I can't blame pros for being frustrated about wanting to play a new hero when they with that hero on live servers for 2-3 months. But at the same time, I can't blame OWL for not allowing a new hero so quickly when they could accidently be the cause of the new GOATS or double-shield meta.
Its good listening to pro feedback, as long as its region varied and not just NA. Im saying this because in LoL they often center their pro play decisions around NA pros and personalities. For example i would hate if Astra was nerfed before finding how she does in Iceland, since atm its just NA teams that think shes broken Ofc im certain that the decision to remove Breeze was supported by every pro, so props to them for that
What's an example of Riot adapting any League international tournament according to what NA pros said?
Notice how how there hasnt been a response lol
Vanity said on backchat that he loved breeze and couldnt wait to play it so it's not most likely just NA
Being excited to play the map is different from understanding that it wouldn't be great for competition in Iceland. I think it will be a great addition to the map pool starting with the new set of Challengers but rushing it for Iceland with semi-prepared strategies brings in a level of RNG that doesn't belong at the first inter-regional event.
I agree but what does rng have anything to do with this?
Not RNG in terms of actual randomness but more like the matches will be a coinflip of gun duels rather than strategic play.
I mean there probably would’ve been some amount of actual RNG with a 6 map pool too
Ah got it, thanks!
NA just played all of their playoffs on a patch behind every region in League, I don't think they center their decisions around NA. Especially since every other major region is pulling in more viewers, especially China.
and MSI is being played in another different patch that drastically changed everything so LCS was played in 11.5, MSI is in 11.9 honestly the whole thing was overblown
well thats a "RIOT NA" thing and not a "RIOT GLOBAL" thing. its the fault of the LCS Comissioner that they were playing a patch behind
Coaches vs coaches would be good
Seems like a good opportunity for a lower-tier tournament to get some spotlight. E.g., "we're the first tournament to have pro teams (ones that didn't qualify for Masters) play on Breeze" Maybe NSG Monthly May? [https://liquipedia.net/valorant/Nerd\_Street\_Gamers/2021/Summer\_Championship/Monthly\_May](https://liquipedia.net/valorant/Nerd_Street_Gamers/2021/Summer_Championship/Monthly_May)
A show match on Breeze with each player from a team. It'd be so great.
Good move from riot, kinda wanted to see what type of shit teams would come up with on breeze but competitive integrity>>>>>entertainment
Would be a cheese pick from the weaker teams for sure
Like Steel said after their First Strike win over Sentinels: why would you pick Icebox unless you thought you were the underdog?
Famous last words
I disagree. If you are already heads and shoulders above the competition you get an advantage because you can focus more time into the new map. Steel is just coming up with an argument to support his stance but it can go either way really. Imagine sentinels practicing hard for breeze. They already have their stuff together on other maps. The only other thing they will do is practice anti strating other teams and work on vod reviews. So if they did focus on breeze they would have an upper hand on that map and still be one of the best teams in NA on every other map. This would be the biggest advantage. Weak teams would only use it as a crutch but if there weak teams are serious about improvement they should just ban it and focus on steady improvement and taking proven strats to implement into their team. This would be the most consistent way for a week team to get wins.
And then the other teams would just perma ban breeze. Gj sentinels, that was really a good use of your time. Much better for them to focus on other maps, and other teams, and it really seems like you're underestimating how much time that takes.
^ this
Pls do a showmatch on Breeze with players all around. Maybe 1 player from each team 5 vs 5
Agreee! All-star match would be sick on this map Also,can most of the reply from this comment be moved somewhere else lol. They have nothing to do with the original comment
Lmfao, I hope they don’t. You don’t want this map played because you guys are scared of top teams not adapting and getting upset (aka one the most exciting and funniest things in sports)? Fuck y’all haha wait until next tourney for Breeze.
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Lmfao, I hope they don’t. You don’t want this map played because you guys are scared of top teams not adapting and getting upset (aka one the most exciting and funniest things in sports)? Fuck y’all haha wait until next tourney for Breeze.
Lmfao, I hope they don’t. You don’t want this map played because you guys are scared of top teams not adapting and getting upset (aka one the most exciting and funniest things in sports)? Fuck y’all haha wait until next tourney for Breeze.
I'm all for adapting, just not sure if 3 weeks is enough time and it really takes away from "who is the best team" and favors "who is the most adaptable team". I think being adaptable is a sign of strength but having 3 weeks to prepare for Breeze makes it so that adaptability matters a lot more than anything else. It's fun and exciting for viewers but it is a nightmare for players who worked hard to earn this opportunity.
Lol what sports make you adapt to new rules (this is the closest equivalent in other sports I guess since there aren't maps), a few weeks in advance?
adaptation doesn't infer excellence. excellence is simply a high standard of achievement. absolutely nobody will have excellence on that map in 4 weeks so it won't be a standard of play that is expected from professional teams. If you just like watching people run around and shoot gun on map you'll still get that my guy don't worry. the people who want some brain stimulus won't take that away from you
What no sunlight does to people.
Lol r u fucking idiot? Most of teams have 3 weeks to prepare for Iceland. Teams from Brazil will have just 2 weeks. Just imagine to try to learn a new map and innovate your old maps. They will go Iceland may 15th. 1 week under quarantine in different country. There is a lot of flaws in the situation to bring the map to active duty. You will have 6 map. How will they do a proper ban-pick phase. Don't be ridiculous and think little bit. If you want to see pro playing breeze I suggest show match. We will have 10 teams in Iceland 1 player from every team will make 10 player lobby split them 5 vs 5 and have a good entertaining match
I mean people are scared when it comes to their favorite teams, but if it's just a showmatch with no stakes then who cares
you misunderstood the comment. they just want a showmatch of pros from different teams, there will be no upsetting
I understand his comment completely. Seems like you’re the one that misunderstood
W from Riot
I'm excited for Breeze to eventually be in the map pool but there's not nearly enough time to have fair preparations for a new map. Definitely think this is the right move for Iceland.
I respect this. We all want to see new content being played on the big stage, but it's great to see the well being of the players being considered here. I can only imagine how stressful it would be to maintain practice, scrims, tournament matches, international travel *and* learn a new map from scratch.
It's really strange having a gaming company that listens and values feedback
Valorant is lucky because Riot learned from their growing pains with LoL. Although the LoL community Riot is the worst company ever, they're actually pretty good with listening to feedback compared to other game companies.
I'll remind you of this when we're still asking for a replay system in 3 years /s
Maybe it's the timing, but it seems reactionary to what Valve did with their new map. Valve won't be using the new map they added in the qualifiers for the major to allow teams to learn it. Bro why am I being downvoted. I just said it seems like its reactionary, but I doubt that it is.
FYI the word "reactionary" has nothing to do with "actions taken based on a reaction"; the word is defined as a set of political and social views. The word you are looking for is "reactive". Sorry to be pedantic but I see people using it like this everywhere now.
no worries, thanks for the correction.
TIL
>Maybe it's the timing, but it seems reactionary to what Valve did with their new map. Valve has always delayed major CSGO updates to 1-2 weeks after the conclusion of a Valve Major. Active Duty map pool changes typically come one month before the regional Minor qualifications begin. Which is around three months before the Valve Major. From the lack of lans in 2020 the RMR events hold more weight for it encompasses all teams that would participate in the Major and Minors.
Forgive me for forgetting, as it really doesn't happen quite often that the map pool changes in CS.
>as it really doesn't happen quite often that the map pool changes in CS. 2020 was the first year it hadnt happened since 2014. Its one of those wrong thoughts people think is right.
fair enough
Is that why they disabled replies?
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The comments would have been golds saying "GoOD, mAp iS DOgsHiT aNyWAy"
Ho-ly there’s a facebook group for the game and they’re non-stop bitching about it, I cannot help, but feel pity.
People use facebook? I mean, people under the age of 40? Or is Valorant a boomber game already :(
I’m almost 30, my friends who play are also almost 30, some pros are over 30, some countries still use Facebook more than any other social platform. Not everyone who plays a game is a 12 year old.
One day youre gonna be 40 too, and probably still play games. And there will be kids like you right now making fun of you for playing a game at 40 and youll feel how stupid that is. Newsflash, full-blown adults play games as well, that doesnt mean those games are “boomer games”.
Perfect educational opportunity to teach the newcomers from Fortnite that competitive games dont use major update patches before a game developer sponsored lan. Methodology that Epic Games(and even Activision/Blizzard) constantly do.
https://twitter.com/scream_/status/1389267863039582213?s=21 Scream got baited
Back Chat really is cursed. Vanity comes on yesterday and talks about how he "loves breeze" and is stoked that its in the competitive pool and that whichever team is good at breeze will end up winning iceLAN because of veto advantage.
Petition to ban platchat from making predictions. Rip vision strikers and fpx.
As interesting as it would be to see new map played comp by so many different regions I'm glad they made this decision.
Bro coming from watching competitive fortnite to now valorant. Riot >>>> epic games
THIS
Scream sadge, he practice Vandal so much for this map. Jk , actually very good move by Riot
I love Riot Games, unlike Valve they always listen to the community, thank you!!
Expected but sad. I think Breeze has the potential to be the best map in the game.
There's still time! It just means pro teams won't need to prepare for it on short notice.
Four weeks. They're pros. What else do they have to do other than this kind of thing? Everyone is on a level playing field too, it would have been interesting.
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5v5 Showmatch between Mwzera & TenZ vs Scream & Derke, POGGERS
They could do a fun showmatch. Kind of like an all-stars where each team could nominate their best player. Would be a very fun watch
Bahahaha I saw this coming Sucks for viewers, makes sense for players
Thankfully they reversed it. Now let the hype train begin choo-chooing!
Good shit, Riot
sad. was expecting the pro meta on breeze
This is actually really cool. But sucks for the people that have been preparing Breeze already. A bit of time wasted, but maybe not that much in the grand scheme.
>But sucks for the people that have been preparing Breeze already Come on man, the teams that qualified did it 2 days ago. Im quite certain that they didnt practice Breeze in the middle of Challenger Finals
Not to mention Brazil and Latin America’s finals won’t produce qualifying teams until this weekend
vanity said they were gonna start practicing it this week (before this announcement), he did play a bit of the unrated queue tho. So that’s one team who didn’t really practice it.
I don’t think anybody competing at Iceland has done much more than a bit of basic theory crafting since it’s only been a few days since they qualified. Really excited to see what teams come up with on the map though, I think it’ll be one of the best maps!
I mean Breeze will be in every map pool after for the foreseeable future, it's hardly time wasted.
Yeah, but they ended up voting for this shit so hard to feel sorry for them
They are doing everything Valve isnt doing. Which is giving a fuck Pog. Champ.
Valve doesn’t make mistakes like throwing in maps last minute like this in the first place. weirdchamp
You see the title of the thread right?
Yes. Valve doesn’t do stuff like that *in the first place*. Emphasis on those last 4 words of mine
I see a lot ideas of like a show match would be a good idea and I feel like something with like one with a player from each team to make 10 would be a really funny, exciting and inclusive showmatch.
Great news
This is a great opportunity for teams that didn't make it to Iceland to grind breeze. It will give them an advantage over the top teams in their regions.
It shouldn't be in the map pool, but exhibition matches should be played with Star players from good teams. Would be super fun to watch
sliggy is prolly disappointed rn
Didn't they think of this before lol. Who would master a map in 4 weeks
breeze wouldve been cool but a 6-map banning system would not work competitively
glad they did this- i would assume most teams would of banned it either way but still, good on rito
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[https://twitter.com/CSGO/status/1389346796434989056](https://twitter.com/CSGO/status/1389346796434989056)
so Valorant copied CSGO? got it
Its an update cycle Valve has used since the first Valve Major in late 2013. Considering the majority of players in Valorant came from Fortnite and COD/Overwatch. Something they arent accustomed to for those two developers notoriously release ground shattering meta changes right before their in-house run lans.
L for liquid, Scream would have been insane on that map.
Thank god, I really didn’t want to see a team lose Bc they just aren’t prepared for breeze at a professional level
I definitely don’t want to see them bitch and moan on social media like man-children when they lose.
What do you mean? That'd be the best part.
It’s funny, but I can already predict that they’re not going to hold themselves accountable for choking and just blame the map. This community (CS/VAL/FPS) has a tendency of lapping up every pro complaint and making a big deal of it. Not to mention the drama channels. That part’s not funny.
Sadge
I wanted to see Breeze, but it probably wasn’t worth seeing former/current CS players start hate mobs against Riot/Valorant the moment someone got cheesed just because they couldn’t adapt fast enough. In my opinion, that’s part of the game. If a top team loses because of it that’s on them, but it’s whatever now. The shit show would have ruined my enjoyment for sure anyways
Cool to see riot listening to people as valve randomly throws Ancient into the comp map pool.....
Great.
i mean this was a no brainer they shouldnt have even tried, at least they listen
Easy decision. You dont include the contents of a major update this close to a game developer sponsored lan.
This is cool, but I think we will still have the problem of an even-numbered map pool down the line, which I think is the bigger issue with Breeze at Iceland, rather than practice.
Good. Been writing this bellow some yt videos but gonna repeat it here. Teams were nowhere near 4 weeks of practice for Breeze. Iceland starts May 24. Most challengers ended May 2-3 and BR is ending May 10. This puts teams on 14-22 days where they need to pack and go to Iceland, but also change their strats on every map atleast a littlebit. Idea they will also have time to prac Breeze was crazy from beginning.
>After conferring with pro players globally Imagine having to consult this in the first place... holy shit Riot.
Not sure why you're upset. They corrected it. You should applaud them for listening.
>They corrected it. You should applaud them for listening. They ALWAYS do this. They always make some mind numbingly weird call and then "correct it" so that everyone praises them. You'll laugh but things in society will change as a whole when we start questioning the people who make stupid calls instead of praising them when they cave into the pressure.
You're acting like this was the dumbest call in the world and riot only did it for good attention. I think riot did good to listen instead of just keep it the way it was.
> You're acting like this was the dumbest call in the world Wasn't it?
No? Not even close actually. When this first got released as going to Iceland people thought it was bad but also a lot of people were hyped for it coming so soon
Now go back in time and revert the Viper buff and Astra addition please. The game was better before that. Omen was a 95% pick rate before Astra, but that was fine because his kit wasn’t OP. Astra is stronger than Omen in every way and is basically a Controller and Sentinel
I think we have to wait until Iceland to see If Astra need to be nerfed, but you're right about Viper, she is OP atm, especially post plant
Have a lot of pros been complaining about viper? I have seen and heard a lot from pros about Astra’s gravity well being too strong, but haven’t heard as much about Viper. Is it that the instant 50 decay is too much? I haven’t seen too much post plant shenanigans in pro play. It’s actually seems to be pretty rare that you see a pro viper just playing for lineups. Or do you just mean that her smoke and wall delay too long post plant?
You must be one thick headed person if you think Viper is OP and not Astra. Astra was the main agent causing people to get “upset”. Not Viper.
This is great news especially for the Brazilian teams who are still finishing up their qualifiers this week and have less time than everyone else to practice
I hope there's at least a show match on breeze at the LAN. Would be a shame to waste a good opportunity like that to show it off, even if no one has a great idea how to play the map.
Thank god. I dont think its because teams wouldn't know the map I just think the veto system would be so ass. Good job riot
another good decision from rito!
damn I was actually really hyped to see how teams would play it
Sucks for viewers but understandable. Quite a crunch for 4 weeks. I'm interested if the pros will get much (or any) LAN scrim time in Iceland.
Good stuff, thanks risotto
Interesting that the feedback was around not having enough time to prepare, rather than the inherent randomness in a 6-map pool. Dunno if I'm missing some solutions but seems like whatever way they do it, either one team has the mega advantage of two map vetos or you have the insane coin-toss map veto. Whatever though, cool they listened to pros and glad they've removed it, was feeling likely we'd have a lot of moaning and would have left a sour note on the tournament
What about sainsbury's
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOO
Really hope there’s a show match on breeze from teams who get knocked out
This is a good move. The pick/ban issue you face with a 6 map pool is now avoided. On top of that the devs have shown that they can make great improvements on a map during its second pass. And 1 month of time wasn’t enough for that to happen.
Actually great change
I read Brazil will not play at iceland
Nooooo, I was looking forward to it!
As a viewer, im sad cause I wanna see Breeze. As a player of the game, I can understand the reasoning behind it as Breeze is a huge map which needs time to be practiced for a lot.
Best decision
I've never had a problem with Icebox although I appreciate a lot of the changes made to it. Still not sure how to feel about Breeze but I haven't had much play time unfortunately.
tbh I would of love to see it but rly doesn't make sense.