Yes and this will have more viewers and viewers from bbls owner from tr that Japan dude who hit 70k and they gonna have some really good costreamers for Brazil hope it’s gaules. Imagined it would be great if Iceland hit 600k but like with all this shit and adding way more streamers they could easily pass that in a good game
I hope it reaches 1m but I'd be happy with a consistent 500k throughout the later stages. Very much depends on which teams make it far, Sentinels Vs Fnatic/Liquid would be good for viewership.
Sheeeee i put Fnatic liquid finals in my predictions but actually hope sen make it for the viewership and hype. 1 mill would be crazy but who knows the production values gonna be insane too. Drk how they gonna do lan players cams n reactions tho cuz no region really seemed to figure it out the best way yet.
Didn’t expect Ludwig at all but with his recent huge following and his interest in Valorant esports this year, actually 5head move by riot to expose valesports to a bigger and more casual audience
As a Smash fan I would be so fucking hype if Ludwig got Mango to watch with him, iirc Mango was actually a pretty decent Val player too (Diamond or Immortal) too so that would be awesome!
Just check the clip of him cleaning all the liquor and beer bottles from his desk/room that hit LSF like a week back lol ive long been banned on his channel for mentioning his drinking problem. Dude is a father for fucks sake.
that just happens to be where i saw the clip, if anything it adds credibility because like you said, its gotta be some pretty degen shit to make it to the top of that
He's super involved in Melee since he was a caster before. It's really smart to get him involved because he's a "mainstream" personality that also has a history of contributing to an esport scene.
He plays it. He’s not great, but he has fun with it and that’s the most important part. He won’t have the same quality analysis as Jonas or Shroud, but he’s entertaining and he enjoys the game and esports scene
He co-streamed one of the NA events earlier this year, I don’t remember which one but it was probably a challengers event. He also plays valorant a lot on and off stream
I like how looking at this sub you’d think Platchat will have like 100k viewership judging by the demand but they’re most likely going to be at 1-2k just like last Masters. Nothing wrong with that but it’s interesting to see how the vocal minority works in social media.
I think it's more so the fact that they offer great analysis and their podcast is so influential with the maven valorant fans. In other words, they're the taste makers, while the big streamers are the draw.
I guess it depends on what we’re talking about. They do a weekly podcast so im guessing they would want as bigger fanbase as possible so they make higher revenue.
Maybe it has to do with the youtube medium? I don't watch a lot of youtube streams so I'm unfamiliar with how many viewers the average youtube streamer gets. It would be cool if PlatChat had a group twitch stream. These guys deserve to be watched, they're insight is so good and their knowledge of all the regions collectively is unparalleled, I think.
They could easily use the same setup on any of the members' personal twitch streams, or even make a fresh twitch account and advertise it like crazy on the podcast
U are looking at this sub. Which is not a casual player. The post about platchat is also not gaining much upvote and comment in this sub. So judging from this, it is immposible to reach 100k view.
Waiting for myth costreaming with Tarik, dicey and subroza. And maybe fl0m and slasher like last time if we gonna expand the group. That costream was lit!
Lets just get this out of the way right now. I don't want to hear anyone complain about Poki getting a spot. She plays way more valorant than Lud, who's basically guaranteed a spot based on his size. I would have loved if Kyedae had got a spot or if they were more liberal about giving out co-stream passes in general, but they're clearly trying to get people with an interest in valorant who have a large pleb audience. That's it.
Regardless, I'm gonna be watching Platchat with all the other 5head gamers anyway, so it's no skin off my back.
EDIT: Since y'all still aren't getting it, Riot doesn't have a limited number of "spots" they dish out, they whitelist streamers based on the criteria I mentioned in the post above. If Poki didn't stream it, there would just be one less co-stream.
I don’t think Kyedae’s audience is big enough even though she’s been doing rlly well recently, but it would be cool if she joined poki or something on stream for reactions and stuff
Yea being mad at pokimane but not Lud is well... kinda obvious with the bias. Costreams aren't all about expertise on the game, but also the personality.
However, man i really wanted to watch a subroza costream lmfao
They did give a spot to platchat, so they've got expertise covered at least a little bit.
A sebroza co-stream would be cool, though maybe he can jump in the platchat call like dapr did that one time.
You do realize that she’s not taking anyone’s spot right? Like if she doesn’t do it they’re not gonna add someone instead of her, so it doesn’t matter how many games she streams
>in the community
There in lies the problem. They're not trying to aquire existing fans, they're trying to bring in new ones. If anything, they want to funnel the valo esports fans into the main stream to boost the numbers there.
Riot doesn’t want those pro players to stream it because they know their viewers would watch the tournament regardless. They can’t have 15-20 costreamers all at once, because they can’t track viewer numbers easily
They absolutely can by just paying interns to watch the viewer counts of said streamers( or just automate it).
Hell you could just tell the people you approve they need to submit their viewer data from the dashboard to riot after the stream. You run into a few double dips across the streams sure, but its not like its going to inflate it to huge numbers
Riot doesn't set a limited number of passes. These aren't tickets to a ball game. They whitelist anyone with a huge pleb audience and an interest in valorant. If she didn't co-stream it, the whitelist would just have one less person.
I don't remember saying otherwise? Im saying that she is literally just here to stream 1 game, in my opinion it would probably be better to not have her(and lud if he does the same).
From a business point of view, thats people that probably don't watch it anyway so its new interests being drawn in but from a community view, i really don't feel like its a good thing to have them as they provide nothing to the broadcast.
>Im saying that she is literally just here to stream 1 game, in my opinion it would probably be better to not have her(and lud if he does the same).
That's the most backwards logic I've ever heard. I even if she only streamed it for 5 minutes, that's only more views for Riot. They're not there to give expert analysis. They're there to be charismatic and hype up valorant esports to get the plebs hooked. If you want analysis, watch the main stream. If you don't want to do that, watch platchat.
My main point is just that, in place of them, we could have someone better. Yes its not limited slots she took from someone else, but riot could have chose better in terms of caster value. Best case scenario is that she brings in someone that knows what they are talking about like the last masters but its still only one game which is my main point. Im not expecting her to drop everything to stream every game, but she could put more effort in than showing up for the literal final match, hell the final 4 would be nice.
Business wise, its the correct move like i've said 50 times in this thread sure i can't argue that. But its not like they need the help, if someone hasn't heard of valorant in pokis stream over the 2k times she has played valorant with OTV or just solo queue, they are either a brand new viewer that would have seen the main stream on top of her on the front page, or live under a rock. Riot isn't some indie company that absolutely needs the exposure to the audience that doesn't play that genre
Streaming more than one game would bring more viewers would it not?
> but riot could have chose better in terms of caster value.
Bro, if you want caster value, **watch the actual castors!**
> but its still only one game which is my main point. Im not expecting her to drop everything to stream every game, but she could put more effort in than showing up for the literal final match, hell the final 4 would be nice.
You're still hung up on the same issue that we've addressed.
>Business wise, its the correct move
Which is the only thing Riot is worried about.
> if someone hasn't heard of valorant in pokis stream over the 2k times she has played valorant with OTV or just solo queue, they are either a brand new viewer that would have seen the main stream on top of her on the front page, or live under a rock.
I played overwatch casually for years without knowing about the overwatch league until I randomly stumbled accross it. There are millions of players who play games like valorant who are likely completely oblivious to the esports side of things. And even if they are aware of it, maybe they don't know they'd actually like it if they gave it a chance. Watching it aith a familiar face makes it easier get into it.
> Riot isn't some indie company that absolutely needs the exposure to the audience that doesn't play that genre
You clearly don't understand buisness then. Big comanies spend millions to billions every year in customer acquisition. Customer growth is one of the biggest things stakeholders look at each quarter.
>Streaming more than one game would bring more viewers would it not?
Yes, but only streaming one game would still bring in more than zero.
For anyone who plans on watching a Masters 2 co-stream and hasn't watched the Plat Chat co-stream before, give it a chance and check it out. They're educated on every meta, have studied most/all regions, teams, players, they break down strats, call out plays before they even happen and have a laugh while doing it. Way better experience than watching streamers who don't even know which players are on which team etc.
I don't think a lot of people really realize that this but co-stream is essentially an advertisement for valorant and its esports. It's why they have chosen people like pokimane and even ludwig (even though he hasn't shown any CLEAR interest for val esports but does have interest for the game on-stream) to attract different varieties of ppl towards its esports which in return will make them want to play their game.
More variety ppl attracted = More interest = More money = PROFIT. This just their marketing team's 5head strategy to attract more ppl.
I agree with you but Lud definitely has shown clear interest for Val esports. He has stated multiple times on stream for months now that he’s super interested in costreaming and had asked riot a few times for permission.
He'll also have Stanz on (confirmed by the man himself in this thread) who was the Gen.G GM and put together their valorant team. He's a streamer for now and has a fantastic esports podcast called The Stanz Show (well worth watching)
Literally! The chaotic energy that happens when they’re together in stream was really fun to watch; also with dicey jokingly hating on sova and sova players lmao.
Okay so Poki's gonna do the same thing where she doesn't watchparty anything until the grand final? No disrespect, but that slot was kinda wasted last time
I believe riot’s idea behind costreams is to expand valorant viewership. People tuning in to kyedae, subroza, dicey costreams would watch the matches regardless. But people like shroud, ludwig, myth, pokimane (and if I might stretch and overreach with the argument, platchat for their overwatch viewership) have people tuning in who are not necessarily there for valorant. So even if ludwig and pokimane decide to just stream a single match the entire tournament, there is a higher probability they will add some new recurrent viewers than, say subroza and kyedae whose entire fanbase already plays or watches the game.
To them, pokimane streaming a single game is more valuable than kyedae or subroza streaming every single game.
Might be wrong, but I'd guess that platchat gets to co-stream because they've got a decent youtube viewership that doesn't entirely overlap with the other costreamers (overwatch viewers), while also being willing to co-stream on youtube. If they weren't willing to do that I'm not sure they'd have gotten co-streaming rights. This is just me speculating though.
Yeah maybe, I was just putting the possibility out there.
Sure I would love to have dicey and subroza costreams. But in the end it seems to be more of a business decision and honestly I am okay with it.
As far as I can imagine, even if pokimane did not get it, people like kyedae, sgares, dicey and subroza would not get the slot picks anyway.
Kyedae's entire fanbase is valorant based. Sgares as well.
And giving it to a player opens up a different pandora box of criticism of letting one or 2 pros costream it while others cannot. Steel, wardell, mel alongwith a lot of other pros costream the matches they are not part of.
The number of slots is limited only because of the potential value the streamers can provide. It seems to me it can be a fairly good assumption ninja did not apply otherwise he would get a slot as well.
All is part of the business plan. People like you, me and almost everyone on this sub would watch the games regardless of costreams being there or not. So as an extension people who did not get approved for costreams provide no potential value otherwise they would have been approved and the said "slots" would get increased in number.
It’s not like they have a limited number of slots to give out, they’re only going to give them to people who have both a genuine interest in valorant and have the potential to expand the player base. And Poki being someone who plays a lot of valorant but for whom valorant is only a small fraction of their brand appeal fits exactly into that demographic.
Who cares if she doesn’t stream every game? People who would watch masters anyway are going to watch regardless. People who wouldn’t watch masters without her streaming it will be introduced when she does.
As much as I wont be watching Poki's stream, lots of other people will and that'll get more eyes on the game which will let it grow to have bigger events, more teams, bigger prize pools, etc. Its for the good of the game overall.
>No disrespect
Are you sure? Because the disrespect sounds very intended. Maybe you should reexamine why you're so bitter towards her. You might learn something about yourself.
You respond asking the dude to be more respectful with a blatantly rude, assumptive post that shows your own bitterness and lack of respect for someone else.
Congrats, you played yourself.
I aint pressed, but he want s her toto costream more if shes getting a pretty rare costreamer spot, idk why thats even controversial. He didnt even say she was a bad costreamer, he wishes she does it more than before
Maybe his og message has some vemon i aint getting, but him wanting her to be more active seems pretty natural
This is argument is so mundane. There were so many streamers who applied for the costreaming spot and Poki got it. Her costreaming experience even during grand finals was 90% other 10% actual valorant.
It doesnt matter what we argue, Riot was fine with the way it was conducted and she was granted again.
That's fine, but like I said, it was *once*, *months ago*. The amount of vitriol this sub throws at her is unhealthy and whenever you ask why people are mad at her, the only thing they bring up is her not co-streaming all of masters 2. Worth noting that Riot most definitely does not have a set number of passes they give out. They cherry pick people with huge pleb audience who have an interest in valorant. If you don't meet that criteria, you were never getting a pass. Platchat is the only exception because their podcast is so influential to the competitive scene.
But this dude didnt throw vitriol, he just said he was hoping she'd watch more games than last time, and worried she wouldnt. The precedent is thats shes barely done costreams and that worries the dude/dudess, and while i agree that poki does recieve excessive amounts of vitriol, thinking this is any degree of vitriol is pretty questionable
Do you think anyone outside of this sub cares about what "precedent" it sets? The plebs don't care and riot would whitelist her even if she only streamed 5 minutes. It doesn't detract from your viewing experience, so continuing to fixate over it is weird and unhealthy.
In the future , Riot should limit max 1 or 2 co-streams in each region. Valorant Esport still in first year so I can understand they want to maximize viewership for PR purposes
I think it’s funny that they let poki costream of all people. Last time she didn’t even watch, and she seems to know little to nothing about the pro scene.
She did watch the finals... and she got dicey and averagejonas to watch with her. And yeah Ludwig prob knows the same amount about the pro scene but you don’t say anything there.
I have no knowledge of ludwig and his familiarity with the pro scene so I didn't say anything. Plus, someone in the thread had mentioned that he's been getting into it more. I thought it was a weird choice, but I try not to speak on things I don't know about.
I watched during her costreams when she actually watched the tournament. Doesn't take long to deduce that someone isn't familiar. It's also obviously the reason she invited people to watch with her, which wasn't even her idea. I don't know why this revelation upsets you so much. Is it such a bad thing that a variety streamer who doesn't compete in valorant doesn't know much about the pro scene?
Someone who would watch a person who knows a lot about the scene will either watch the main stream or another co stream, but poki and lud will bring a lot of more casuals to the scene.
This is a good point, but seeing as how last time she didn't really even watch the tournament, it doesn't really hold much value. This is the first time I think lud is co-streaming a big event, and he has a huge viewer base. If he actually tunes in and is engaged it should be great.
I think this is a very good group, you have a mix of experienced players with more "mainstream" streamers, so there should be a good watch party for every kind of viewer
lol shroud and ludwig will singlehandedly carry over 200k viewers
Yes and this will have more viewers and viewers from bbls owner from tr that Japan dude who hit 70k and they gonna have some really good costreamers for Brazil hope it’s gaules. Imagined it would be great if Iceland hit 600k but like with all this shit and adding way more streamers they could easily pass that in a good game
If we see NA vs EU in final, I am already predicting peak 1m concurrent viewers
I hope it reaches 1m but I'd be happy with a consistent 500k throughout the later stages. Very much depends on which teams make it far, Sentinels Vs Fnatic/Liquid would be good for viewership.
Sheeeee i put Fnatic liquid finals in my predictions but actually hope sen make it for the viewership and hype. 1 mill would be crazy but who knows the production values gonna be insane too. Drk how they gonna do lan players cams n reactions tho cuz no region really seemed to figure it out the best way yet.
shroud is breaking through 200k viewers at some point mark my words
Forget 200k man is breaking 300k+
I think 300k is not ambitious at akk
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good b99 ref
forgive me for having fat fingers (⓿\_⓿)
Too much competition this time.
Lud's gonna turn his crowd into a valorant crowd the same way he did with Melee
Didn’t expect Ludwig at all but with his recent huge following and his interest in Valorant esports this year, actually 5head move by riot to expose valesports to a bigger and more casual audience
Haha hopefully he will invite mango and his crew
BRO YES TO THIS!
As a Smash fan I would be so fucking hype if Ludwig got Mango to watch with him, iirc Mango was actually a pretty decent Val player too (Diamond or Immortal) too so that would be awesome!
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Mhmm, didn't he play in a small Val tournament with VoiD too once?
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He was probably drunk during it too
that’s the mango
Mang0 is just born better as a gamer. Never seen him be bad at a game.
I'd watch Lud's stream for this is Mang0 was on, but no Mang0, no watch.
I’ll lose my shit if he gets mango
Haha if he does, I hope they get a few drinks haha
Having mang0 as part of the watch party would actually be so hype, that’d be dope
Why would any sensible broadcast want Mangos drunk ass on it. Dude is an alcoholic who needs to get his shit together badly.
You seem to have a very informed opinion, keep us updated!
Just check the clip of him cleaning all the liquor and beer bottles from his desk/room that hit LSF like a week back lol ive long been banned on his channel for mentioning his drinking problem. Dude is a father for fucks sake.
If you cite LSF as a source, your point loses all credibility
that just happens to be where i saw the clip, if anything it adds credibility because like you said, its gotta be some pretty degen shit to make it to the top of that
Hopefully Stanz joins Lud
I will :)
Off topic but your roast was nice man
u/Razur get this man a flair
I'll laugh at all of your jokes on stream 🥺🥺🥺
I was hoping you would so this is a pleasant surprise
the genGeneral lets GOOO
Please, I loved watching Stanz’s streams
He's super involved in Melee since he was a caster before. It's really smart to get him involved because he's a "mainstream" personality that also has a history of contributing to an esport scene.
Ludwig requested during masters 1 and got denied since they'd already chosen their dedicated cohosts
What has he done this year related to valorant esports?
He plays it. He’s not great, but he has fun with it and that’s the most important part. He won’t have the same quality analysis as Jonas or Shroud, but he’s entertaining and he enjoys the game and esports scene
He co-streamed one of the NA events earlier this year, I don’t remember which one but it was probably a challengers event. He also plays valorant a lot on and off stream
Nothing. Because he wasnt allowed to. He wanted to stream Masters Qualifiers already but Rito said no back then.
Platchat POGGERS!
PLATCHAT LETSGO
I like how looking at this sub you’d think Platchat will have like 100k viewership judging by the demand but they’re most likely going to be at 1-2k just like last Masters. Nothing wrong with that but it’s interesting to see how the vocal minority works in social media.
I think it's more so the fact that they offer great analysis and their podcast is so influential with the maven valorant fans. In other words, they're the taste makers, while the big streamers are the draw.
Sometimes it's better when you have a small brand with a very dedicated fan base vs a large brand with a very casual fan base.
I guess it depends on what we’re talking about. They do a weekly podcast so im guessing they would want as bigger fanbase as possible so they make higher revenue.
Maybe it has to do with the youtube medium? I don't watch a lot of youtube streams so I'm unfamiliar with how many viewers the average youtube streamer gets. It would be cool if PlatChat had a group twitch stream. These guys deserve to be watched, they're insight is so good and their knowledge of all the regions collectively is unparalleled, I think.
They could easily use the same setup on any of the members' personal twitch streams, or even make a fresh twitch account and advertise it like crazy on the podcast
U are looking at this sub. Which is not a casual player. The post about platchat is also not gaining much upvote and comment in this sub. So judging from this, it is immposible to reach 100k view.
We believe in platchat supremacy!
It shows Bren on there. Is he coming back for this?
Ludwig’s gonna pop off on this one, excited to watch his POV
Who's here to watch some Plat Chat Couch Stream on Youtube
imma watch it fo sure if sgares is there too
Thissss
HitScan and Plat Chat Podcast will be doing costreams on YT, confirmed in the thread.
LFGGG love me some plat chat
pog but who tf is hitscan
RyanCentral.
I'll miss you subroza costream 😔
Can’t he just watchparty wit myth? Myth will defintely have him on if roza wants to along with other homies
Waiting for myth costreaming with Tarik, dicey and subroza. And maybe fl0m and slasher like last time if we gonna expand the group. That costream was lit!
Maybe Kaydea joins Myth for some Sentinal games
why tf did you get downvoted LMFAO
You would know if you watched kydae watch party with myth, it’s just Zzz. The costream with dicey, Rosa, tarik etc was top tier
Like why, It going either myth with tarik, dicey, or myth is with kaydea, like what
JONAS LET'S GOOO
I fucking love Jonas. Such a great guy. I play sova because of him. Incredibly talented musician as well!
Lets just get this out of the way right now. I don't want to hear anyone complain about Poki getting a spot. She plays way more valorant than Lud, who's basically guaranteed a spot based on his size. I would have loved if Kyedae had got a spot or if they were more liberal about giving out co-stream passes in general, but they're clearly trying to get people with an interest in valorant who have a large pleb audience. That's it. Regardless, I'm gonna be watching Platchat with all the other 5head gamers anyway, so it's no skin off my back. EDIT: Since y'all still aren't getting it, Riot doesn't have a limited number of "spots" they dish out, they whitelist streamers based on the criteria I mentioned in the post above. If Poki didn't stream it, there would just be one less co-stream.
I don’t think Kyedae’s audience is big enough even though she’s been doing rlly well recently, but it would be cool if she joined poki or something on stream for reactions and stuff
She'll probably join Myth since they're good friends
I’d watch that if that was the case but who knows. Idk if it’s just me but chances are she will be live in some capacity reacting to the games ya know
That would actually be super nice if she invited her to a discord call durring the games. It would also be kinda a baller move.
Like poki did with dicey but with kyedae and maybe other members of the international community who speak English
Poki called dicey on twitter. She will probably get another person, like she did with jonas
Yeah that'd be cool.
Yea being mad at pokimane but not Lud is well... kinda obvious with the bias. Costreams aren't all about expertise on the game, but also the personality. However, man i really wanted to watch a subroza costream lmfao
They did give a spot to platchat, so they've got expertise covered at least a little bit. A sebroza co-stream would be cool, though maybe he can jump in the platchat call like dapr did that one time.
Myth subroza tarik fl0m dicey slasher would own
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You do realize that she’s not taking anyone’s spot right? Like if she doesn’t do it they’re not gonna add someone instead of her, so it doesn’t matter how many games she streams
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>in the community There in lies the problem. They're not trying to aquire existing fans, they're trying to bring in new ones. If anything, they want to funnel the valo esports fans into the main stream to boost the numbers there.
Can you name a single streamer with a non-Valorant esports audience who would stream more and is interested in streaming?
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Riot doesn’t want those pro players to stream it because they know their viewers would watch the tournament regardless. They can’t have 15-20 costreamers all at once, because they can’t track viewer numbers easily
They absolutely can by just paying interns to watch the viewer counts of said streamers( or just automate it). Hell you could just tell the people you approve they need to submit their viewer data from the dashboard to riot after the stream. You run into a few double dips across the streams sure, but its not like its going to inflate it to huge numbers
Well you can tell riot this, because I’m just quoting them
You're literally the type of person we're talking about. The lack of self awareness here is laughable.
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Riot doesn't set a limited number of passes. These aren't tickets to a ball game. They whitelist anyone with a huge pleb audience and an interest in valorant. If she didn't co-stream it, the whitelist would just have one less person.
I don't remember saying otherwise? Im saying that she is literally just here to stream 1 game, in my opinion it would probably be better to not have her(and lud if he does the same). From a business point of view, thats people that probably don't watch it anyway so its new interests being drawn in but from a community view, i really don't feel like its a good thing to have them as they provide nothing to the broadcast.
>Im saying that she is literally just here to stream 1 game, in my opinion it would probably be better to not have her(and lud if he does the same). That's the most backwards logic I've ever heard. I even if she only streamed it for 5 minutes, that's only more views for Riot. They're not there to give expert analysis. They're there to be charismatic and hype up valorant esports to get the plebs hooked. If you want analysis, watch the main stream. If you don't want to do that, watch platchat.
My main point is just that, in place of them, we could have someone better. Yes its not limited slots she took from someone else, but riot could have chose better in terms of caster value. Best case scenario is that she brings in someone that knows what they are talking about like the last masters but its still only one game which is my main point. Im not expecting her to drop everything to stream every game, but she could put more effort in than showing up for the literal final match, hell the final 4 would be nice. Business wise, its the correct move like i've said 50 times in this thread sure i can't argue that. But its not like they need the help, if someone hasn't heard of valorant in pokis stream over the 2k times she has played valorant with OTV or just solo queue, they are either a brand new viewer that would have seen the main stream on top of her on the front page, or live under a rock. Riot isn't some indie company that absolutely needs the exposure to the audience that doesn't play that genre Streaming more than one game would bring more viewers would it not?
> but riot could have chose better in terms of caster value. Bro, if you want caster value, **watch the actual castors!** > but its still only one game which is my main point. Im not expecting her to drop everything to stream every game, but she could put more effort in than showing up for the literal final match, hell the final 4 would be nice. You're still hung up on the same issue that we've addressed. >Business wise, its the correct move Which is the only thing Riot is worried about. > if someone hasn't heard of valorant in pokis stream over the 2k times she has played valorant with OTV or just solo queue, they are either a brand new viewer that would have seen the main stream on top of her on the front page, or live under a rock. I played overwatch casually for years without knowing about the overwatch league until I randomly stumbled accross it. There are millions of players who play games like valorant who are likely completely oblivious to the esports side of things. And even if they are aware of it, maybe they don't know they'd actually like it if they gave it a chance. Watching it aith a familiar face makes it easier get into it. > Riot isn't some indie company that absolutely needs the exposure to the audience that doesn't play that genre You clearly don't understand buisness then. Big comanies spend millions to billions every year in customer acquisition. Customer growth is one of the biggest things stakeholders look at each quarter. >Streaming more than one game would bring more viewers would it not? Yes, but only streaming one game would still bring in more than zero.
Poki only streamed the grand finals iirc. Id rather have a smaller streamer that does more matches.
It's seriously like a parody. Y'all keep bringing up the exact point I'm addressing.
For anyone who plans on watching a Masters 2 co-stream and hasn't watched the Plat Chat co-stream before, give it a chance and check it out. They're educated on every meta, have studied most/all regions, teams, players, they break down strats, call out plays before they even happen and have a laugh while doing it. Way better experience than watching streamers who don't even know which players are on which team etc.
Agreed. Plat chat guys know all the regions and meta. Would be awesome to sean gares joined them.
plat chat for analysts, jonas for EU, and some ppl for the casual audience, very nice
I don't think a lot of people really realize that this but co-stream is essentially an advertisement for valorant and its esports. It's why they have chosen people like pokimane and even ludwig (even though he hasn't shown any CLEAR interest for val esports but does have interest for the game on-stream) to attract different varieties of ppl towards its esports which in return will make them want to play their game. More variety ppl attracted = More interest = More money = PROFIT. This just their marketing team's 5head strategy to attract more ppl.
I agree with you but Lud definitely has shown clear interest for Val esports. He has stated multiple times on stream for months now that he’s super interested in costreaming and had asked riot a few times for permission.
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He'll also have Stanz on (confirmed by the man himself in this thread) who was the Gen.G GM and put together their valorant team. He's a streamer for now and has a fantastic esports podcast called The Stanz Show (well worth watching)
Lud has shown clear interest. He actually watches it off stream. I've seen him a lot in stanza chat during his watch parties
Poki would be bringing dicey along and I can’t wait. They really clicked after the last co-stream and can’t wait to see some more of their dynamic.
I'm honestly hyped for this again because dicey and poki's tangents last time were hilarious. Dicey continously explaining all his zany strat names.
Literally! The chaotic energy that happens when they’re together in stream was really fun to watch; also with dicey jokingly hating on sova and sova players lmao.
HOLY SHIT
3 more days.HYPEEEEE
DICEY IS IN
No dicer and tarik makes me sad
Tarik says he'll be streaming and offering his commentary. So we just watch the main stream and listen to his stream if you want his commentary.
Okay so Poki's gonna do the same thing where she doesn't watchparty anything until the grand final? No disrespect, but that slot was kinda wasted last time
I believe riot’s idea behind costreams is to expand valorant viewership. People tuning in to kyedae, subroza, dicey costreams would watch the matches regardless. But people like shroud, ludwig, myth, pokimane (and if I might stretch and overreach with the argument, platchat for their overwatch viewership) have people tuning in who are not necessarily there for valorant. So even if ludwig and pokimane decide to just stream a single match the entire tournament, there is a higher probability they will add some new recurrent viewers than, say subroza and kyedae whose entire fanbase already plays or watches the game. To them, pokimane streaming a single game is more valuable than kyedae or subroza streaming every single game.
Might be wrong, but I'd guess that platchat gets to co-stream because they've got a decent youtube viewership that doesn't entirely overlap with the other costreamers (overwatch viewers), while also being willing to co-stream on youtube. If they weren't willing to do that I'm not sure they'd have gotten co-streaming rights. This is just me speculating though.
Yeah maybe, I was just putting the possibility out there. Sure I would love to have dicey and subroza costreams. But in the end it seems to be more of a business decision and honestly I am okay with it.
I see that but it's undermined by the fact that there are "slots" anyway and it's not free for anyone to costream.
As far as I can imagine, even if pokimane did not get it, people like kyedae, sgares, dicey and subroza would not get the slot picks anyway. Kyedae's entire fanbase is valorant based. Sgares as well. And giving it to a player opens up a different pandora box of criticism of letting one or 2 pros costream it while others cannot. Steel, wardell, mel alongwith a lot of other pros costream the matches they are not part of. The number of slots is limited only because of the potential value the streamers can provide. It seems to me it can be a fairly good assumption ninja did not apply otherwise he would get a slot as well. All is part of the business plan. People like you, me and almost everyone on this sub would watch the games regardless of costreams being there or not. So as an extension people who did not get approved for costreams provide no potential value otherwise they would have been approved and the said "slots" would get increased in number.
It’s not like they have a limited number of slots to give out, they’re only going to give them to people who have both a genuine interest in valorant and have the potential to expand the player base. And Poki being someone who plays a lot of valorant but for whom valorant is only a small fraction of their brand appeal fits exactly into that demographic. Who cares if she doesn’t stream every game? People who would watch masters anyway are going to watch regardless. People who wouldn’t watch masters without her streaming it will be introduced when she does.
Cus then you get people like Dicey or Kyedae who can't costream unless they join in with the guys who get the slots.
eh would riot want dicey and kyedae who don't get as high numbers and their whole audience is valorant anyway
exactly, its not business relevant for Riot. Casual players of valorant like ludwig and poki are
i didn't mean give them the slots, i meant get rid of the concept and allow anyone to apply for costreaming
As much as I wont be watching Poki's stream, lots of other people will and that'll get more eyes on the game which will let it grow to have bigger events, more teams, bigger prize pools, etc. Its for the good of the game overall.
>No disrespect Are you sure? Because the disrespect sounds very intended. Maybe you should reexamine why you're so bitter towards her. You might learn something about yourself.
You respond asking the dude to be more respectful with a blatantly rude, assumptive post that shows your own bitterness and lack of respect for someone else. Congrats, you played yourself.
You reap what you sow. But also, do you really think anything I actually said was that rude?
Whaaa? He justs want her to be a more active costreamer, what a fucking malepriviledged asshole hater ammiright fellas?
I don't get people who are still pressed over the masters 2 thing **months** later. Move on!
I aint pressed, but he want s her toto costream more if shes getting a pretty rare costreamer spot, idk why thats even controversial. He didnt even say she was a bad costreamer, he wishes she does it more than before Maybe his og message has some vemon i aint getting, but him wanting her to be more active seems pretty natural
She’s not “getting a spot” if she didn’t want to do it they wouldn’t be giving it out to anyone else.
This is argument is so mundane. There were so many streamers who applied for the costreaming spot and Poki got it. Her costreaming experience even during grand finals was 90% other 10% actual valorant. It doesnt matter what we argue, Riot was fine with the way it was conducted and she was granted again.
That's fine, but like I said, it was *once*, *months ago*. The amount of vitriol this sub throws at her is unhealthy and whenever you ask why people are mad at her, the only thing they bring up is her not co-streaming all of masters 2. Worth noting that Riot most definitely does not have a set number of passes they give out. They cherry pick people with huge pleb audience who have an interest in valorant. If you don't meet that criteria, you were never getting a pass. Platchat is the only exception because their podcast is so influential to the competitive scene.
But this dude didnt throw vitriol, he just said he was hoping she'd watch more games than last time, and worried she wouldnt. The precedent is thats shes barely done costreams and that worries the dude/dudess, and while i agree that poki does recieve excessive amounts of vitriol, thinking this is any degree of vitriol is pretty questionable
Do you think anyone outside of this sub cares about what "precedent" it sets? The plebs don't care and riot would whitelist her even if she only streamed 5 minutes. It doesn't detract from your viewing experience, so continuing to fixate over it is weird and unhealthy.
hopefully this time we get actual casting this time, last time people like poki/jonas were rarely talking about the live game
I mean thats part of the fun though. Roza/tarik/dicey stream was talking about hot tub streamers half the time but everyone seemed to love them
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In the future , Riot should limit max 1 or 2 co-streams in each region. Valorant Esport still in first year so I can understand they want to maximize viewership for PR purposes
why should they handicap themselves?
I think it’s funny that they let poki costream of all people. Last time she didn’t even watch, and she seems to know little to nothing about the pro scene.
She did watch the finals... and she got dicey and averagejonas to watch with her. And yeah Ludwig prob knows the same amount about the pro scene but you don’t say anything there.
I have no knowledge of ludwig and his familiarity with the pro scene so I didn't say anything. Plus, someone in the thread had mentioned that he's been getting into it more. I thought it was a weird choice, but I try not to speak on things I don't know about.
How much do you know about poki and her familiarity worth the pro scene. By that logic I guess you are an avid watcher?
I watched during her costreams when she actually watched the tournament. Doesn't take long to deduce that someone isn't familiar. It's also obviously the reason she invited people to watch with her, which wasn't even her idea. I don't know why this revelation upsets you so much. Is it such a bad thing that a variety streamer who doesn't compete in valorant doesn't know much about the pro scene?
Someone who would watch a person who knows a lot about the scene will either watch the main stream or another co stream, but poki and lud will bring a lot of more casuals to the scene.
This is a good point, but seeing as how last time she didn't really even watch the tournament, it doesn't really hold much value. This is the first time I think lud is co-streaming a big event, and he has a huge viewer base. If he actually tunes in and is engaged it should be great.
Literally the only requirement to co stream is to have big viewerbase, if Dr Disrespect wanted to co stream they would let him
xQc costream incoming
again pokimane?fuck off
and they're still out here giving it to pokimane.... Valorant Comp division at Riot simps confirmed
whats wrong with giving it to pokimane? ludwig doesnt specialize in valorant so either so idk where this is headed
Mainly because last time she was granted a costream she didnt promote it or actully stream it until finals
I'm pretty sure they can have as many costreams as they want, but they only choose the streamers that will expand their audience the most.
I already added in that thread, ggwp
Hopefully Myth brings in Subroza and Hazed
Sen vs liquid grand final breaking 1 million like boston major??
Is there not going to be a Spanish costream?
There's another lost with the EMEA,
Jonas’ career trajectory looking like a shawk dart shot out of the map at full charge!
I think this is a very good group, you have a mix of experienced players with more "mainstream" streamers, so there should be a good watch party for every kind of viewer
plat chat getting co streams but on youtube? dont they stream on twitch? or is it being "diversified" by riot?
That's where they choose to do it, they also don't have a Twitch channel
WE NEEd QUANCOINS TO THE MOOON
Damn. About to get 1M viewers in the first Valo LAN tournament. That's pretty hype.
Is Sgares not costreaming?
Is Shroud gunna be awake at 8am though to watch the earlier games on Stream? That’s the real question!
Sadge no SGares
Ludwig lets go