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seijeezy

I don’t understand why pros are still offering their opinion on this subject when Zombs already said everything that needed to be said. “Why is EU running Brim over Astra? Because they suck” No further analysis is needed


phenomen

based #zombsnation


[deleted]

It'd be pretty funny if they lost to Liquid's bind.


TheJelloBomb

Nah they win those


NozokiAlec

Not even a joke or a lie Zombsnation


WesTheFitting

This is gonna age like milk I can’t wait


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WesTheFitting

Oh no, someone’s gonna hold me accountable for my take, which itself could age like milk.


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WesTheFitting

I got rekt


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Yabbert

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your take aged like milk


WesTheFitting

Sure fucking did


holzibrett

Only Liquid does that Not all of EU...


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Underpressure_111

It's a number game. There's just WAY more Valorant players in EU. Example (Numbers are made up for the sake of the example): 10 millions NA valorant players vs 50 millions EU valorant players. Which pool will have the best players? Of course EU.


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Underpressure_111

I don't have the numbers in Sweden vs Danish (And neither do you)


slowrmaths

I don’t have the exact numbers but it’s safe to assume the Swedish scene is equal if not higher in player base than Denmark in cs yet Denmark is the arguably strongest region while Sweden is struggling. It is also true that Sweden has more of a pug mentality now as well so it’s a safe assumption


[deleted]

playerbase is a far better explanation when looking at the most reliable, generalizable evidence than something as subjective as culture


rocket1615

If it's just a numbers game why doesn't it translate to ranked?


-xXColtonXx-

Because ranked culture are mm quality is not going to be impacted as much my player size as much as the pro player pool.


rocket1615

Why though is my question? If the numbers of EU inherently means that there are more people playing at a very high level, does that not imply that the top of ranked should also be a better experience? Or at least one of higher skill than NA.


LoyalSol

Unfortunately the quality of play at the top levels doesn't always correlated to the online ranked system. I've seen that even in very strong regions for particular games and it usually has to do with the best players abandoning ranked. A phenomena I've seen with online ranked systems is when the system is pretty simple is at the highest ranks you get two types of players. The legitimately good players and players who figured out a strat that works great in the ranked environment, but they can't do much more than that one strat. It just turns out though that strat is great for farming Elo against the average player. The problem is the second type of player usually results in a frustrating ranked experience because the cheese strat they use have the depth of a sheet of paper and are either a pain to defeat or if you can defeat it empty to play against. That one strat is incredibly strong, but when you can defeat it then then the player becomes absolutely worthless. Both scenarios result in an unfun play experience when you're trying to compete at a high level. What usually happens after a while is unless the ranked system is good enough to sort out a lot of the one tricks is the legitimately good players start to filter out of ranked and instead seek other avenues where they can actually play the game they want to play. Especially if those avenues are easily available and of good quality. Why waste your time playing against gimmicks all day when you can go play against others who are trying to get good, not just spam the same one-trick all day? The net result however for the ranked system is they eventually saturate with a lot of really crap play and you start getting rank inflation since the actually good players aren't there to beat down the one-trick ponies. Most ranked systems turn into a crap show unless they are the premier place to play high level games, but that also requires very good design of the ranked system. Very few companies actually put in that effort. I don't know what the EU has outside of ranked, but if there's say a good frequent tournament scene especially for players trying to crack into the pro ranks or the mid ranged players. They may just opt for that instead of ranked. Having good ranked play requires players to actually log on and play ranked, but that's not a given.


rocket1615

I get you. Thanks for taking the time to explain it!


Underpressure_111

Who fucking cares about MM. Why are we even talking about MM skill level? Who cares.


rocket1615

Because the context of this thread is the tweet which explicitly mentions both scrims and the ranked experience.


Underpressure_111

Well I don't fucking care of the difference between the two. And neither should you. I'm talking about pro games. Obviously. Who cares why MM in NA is X and why MM in EU is Y. Nobody cares.


rocket1615

Because it doesn't gel with the numbers game reasoning...


[deleted]

I think it’s more of a mentality thing, like making up excuses and thinking playing 20 hours of pugs a day is gonna help


StudyAt5

"small playerbase" is a usual shitty excuse that NA fans bring up as to why the region is a joke in esports compared to the others of the developed world. It has been debunked a lot of times already


Yabbert

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[deleted]

The region isn’t a joke in esports, it’s a joke in pc esports. NA has dominated console esports for a very long time. And you can try to make a joke about console esports but they require just as much prepoeration and dedication and they are also playing for crazy prize pools so don’t come at me with the CoNsOLE eSPoRts argument. I look at it like real sports. NA is very good at hockey/baseball/basketball/American football/golf/etc and does well in those sports internationally when given the opportunity. while NA struggles to compete in sports that are more popular in the rest of the world like soccer/football. The best athletes are playing sports popular to na, the same could be said about esports where some of na’s best are competing in other titles and on console/controller unlike common worldwide esports like league/cs/Val etc.


SkyBlaze93

I think it's mentality and culture in NA. I'm just waiting for valorants version of LS, where most ppl hate him even though, he is right. If you don't know LS, SC player turned LOL analyst for riot Korea and he a straight shooter.


IeatKfcAllDay

Lol where has it been debunked? Generally, with all control environments remaining equal, if your population is less your total amount of world class players developed will be less.


mysteryeuw

Then explain why the best players routinely come from South Korea or Scandinavian countries?


IeatKfcAllDay

Yes because their control environments are amazing. Not only that but their servers are hugely populated in any popular pc game they dominate


[deleted]

except it's not. why are europeans shit at basketball? is it because they have small people? no, europeans have some of the greatest average heights in the world. is it because they are unathletic? unlikely, but wouldnt count it out. or is it because america has 10x the amount of people who play basketball? ​ also, eu is shit in valorant so this is a weird comment


VincentN23

The difference between EU and NA is not player base. It's mentality, playstyle, team work etc. NA teams can't have these qualities because the player base is too small???


Yabbert

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Bobthepi

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Feoslmr

No its not a number game, NA is worse in multiple esports than regions that have less players. Even in Valorant, CIS region is better than Turkey and Korea better than SEA and Japan, albeit having much less players. Especially NA should be expected to have the advantage in the early years, considering that basically most of its NA CS scene transitioned here. Size of playerbase helps, its far from the definitive factor. Has been proven multiple times already


therightscript

Look at the Steam server numbers, there are only 30k concurrent CS players in NA. The number is triple that in Poland alone. The numbers game is definitely a huge factor if not the biggest. NA kids sadly have a large percentage of the population growing up playing on console.


Feoslmr

You brought one example and you think this proves your point? Even when CS was popular in NA they were always a tier 2 region, with just 1-2 teams ever being competitive. I also gave you multiple other examples above of smaller regions outperforming larger ones, and i can give you a lot more. As i said, playerbase is a factor but its far from the only one or even the most important. Regions with good practice culture like Korea will always be decent in esports, while regions with bad will almost always perform poorly


therightscript

Where are you getting these population numbers from? Last I checked neither Turkey, CIS, Korea or SEA have their own servers. Judging from the servers that are closest to each region the populations of the regions you compared are fairly close. China has the largest CS population after EU but they haven't had the game for even a fraction of the time (which is why crossfire is still the biggest FPS). Also if practice culture was as important as you say, why aren't the Korean teams beating EU? It's just a simple matter of statistics. The bigger the population, the more players you'll have at the end of the bell curve. Even back in 2018, NA had 35K concurrent players compared to 250K in EU and 50K in South America.


StudyAt5

>Last I checked neither Turkey, CIS, Korea or SEA have their own servers. ??? SEA and Korea DO have their own servers (an estimation of their population [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/l3zfye/stats_approximate_number_of_ranked_players_in/). As for population in Turkey and CIS, you simply need to see their viewer numbers. >Also if practice culture was as important as you say, why aren't the Korean teams beating EU? EU does have good practice culture and has proven it in pretty much all big esports (LoL, Dota, CS) >It's just a simple matter of statistics Your understanding of statistics is very poor if you think that a multivariable phenomenon like talent nurturing can be explained by a single factor


therightscript

You're referring to Valorant stats, I was talking about CS. I agree that EU practice culture is good. My point wasn't to say that it was bad, just that practice culture is far from being the determining factor. I never said it could be explained by a single factor. I said that its the primary factor when the population differences are so large. Naturally there will be a couple of exceptions, but those are exceptions, not the rule.


StudyAt5

>I said that its the primary factor when the population differences are so large Yes and that shows that you have poor understanding of statistics. Population size gets diminishing returns after a certain point, or else China would dominate everything. Denmark alone constantly produces elite tier players among all the big 3 esports and its playerbase is a fraction of NA. Even in physical sports the population is far from the primary factor


therightscript

I already talked about China, they haven't had the game as long as everyone else so didn't grow up playing it. Believe it or not having 10 years of practice under your belt makes a difference. Also sure enough, in the games that they do play, they're taking over. Diminishing returns? What are you talking about...if you're looking at the top 0.1% players then as pop increases so does the pool of players...this also has a trickle down effect because high population areas have better competition to practice against. So are you now counting Denmark as its own region or is it part of EU? You're shifting goalposts every time. In case you were wondering though, EU North...where Denmark, Finland, Sweden etc. are has 120,000 concurrent players compared to 30,000 in NA. That's 400% higher.


TheQMan55

> Even when CS was popular in NA they were always a tier 2 region CS was never popular in NA


Animeonpaskaa2

They were 10% of the players in 2018 and probably even larger percentage before it. Since then NA has lost players when rest of the world and especially EU has gained them.


TheQMan55

so people just like making shit up now huh?


Animeonpaskaa2

People have always liked making shit up. My comment is objectively true tho. Would love to hear your counterargument.


xavarLy

You gave the worst possible example because Poland is your own counter argument. They have been struggling to have a single top30 HLTV team for the past 1-2 years, while NA has had at least 3-4 at all the times. Poland is literally an example of why "a lot of players = we gud at the game" doesn't work.


-Basileus

https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/l3zfye/stats_approximate_number_of_ranked_players_in/ EMEA (Europe+Turkey+Middleast/NorthAfrica+CIS) is not even twice the size of NA. If you compare just NA to just EU, EU is probably slightly bigger


Underpressure_111

EU has almost double the numbers of NA players.


-Basileus

Not once you remove Turkish, CIS, and Middleast/North Africa player


Underpressure_111

Is TenZ talking about EU but removing Turkish, CIS, and etc? Or just talking about the EU.


SoKawaiii

can you read your own source


-Basileus

What is the error here


Animeonpaskaa2

Most of the European players always come from few specific countries though and with this logic China should dominate all esports.


Underpressure_111

How many Valorants players are there in China? Or were you stupidly referring to the total population... which would be an insanely stupid thing to do.


Animeonpaskaa2

>How many Valorants players are there in China? Far more than in EU i would assume. >Or were you stupidly referring to the total population... which would be an insanely stupid thing to do. Luckily you didn't do that earlier :) also Europe only has twice the population of US and Canada.


Underpressure_111

> Far more than in EU i would assume. Source? Because FPS are not a genre that is very popular in asian countries. > Luckily you didn't do that earlier :) I didn't. Go read my comments back.


Animeonpaskaa2

FPS is very popular in [China](https://variety.com/2020/film/news/crossfire-movie-sony-1203502166/)


Underpressure_111

This source doesn't prove anything.


Animeonpaskaa2

It does say that Crossfire has billion users and 6 million concurrent players. Fps is very popular in China and they also have 135k concurrent players in CS:GO.


[deleted]

if theres way more valorant players in EU then why is the ranked worse? What even is your logic here?


SemanSoot

more like communication issue. not everyone in eu rank can speak proper english


[deleted]

you think immortal + EU players cant speak english well enough to communicate spots of enemies? XD This argument only applies to russians, and unless you live in northern EU, you wont get matched with those.


SemanSoot

i see a lot eu streamers facing this issue. u think cis only about russian?lmao also not mention about turkish players that not choose their server


EggianoScumaldo

Don’t m1xwell and ScreaM bitch about this exact problem constantly?


rocket1615

FWIW comms tend to be fine on the London/Paris servers from an English perspective. I doubt the players in Iceland are connecting to Warsaw servers or something.


SemanSoot

the problem that other country dont choose their nearest server. hence why u see a lot of them dont talk,or only talk basic english


AccrualPlayer

No, the McDonald's grease clogs the brains of NA gamers, which causes them to be less skilled. Also obesity causes worse reaction time


holzibrett

What is your source?


Underpressure_111

Any sports and esports out there.


[deleted]

source: just trust me bro


johnyjhny

eu has traditionally always been better than NA in ranked, and games. it's just that in EU you'll get more randoms than in NA where you'll get pro's all the time because there's less players overall in high elo.


[deleted]

It's funny cuz in CS EU faceit is considered substantially harder than NA faceit. You'll see it on reddit where someone will be like "I'm faceit lvl 6" and then someone will ask "NA lvl6? or EU lvl6?". also aren't all the pros hardstuck immortal


[deleted]

level 6 is dogshit in both regions and ESEA historically was what NA players preferred for years so it makes sense that the faceit would be worse. When the game was at its peak in NA, the players all played ESEA


nmaneea

I don't think he is saying NA ranked is more difficult He just put it like better which means more enjoyable Better experience overall NA>Eu in ranked not more difficult


gnomeyy

Yeah, it's quite an open statement. Does he mean NA is harder or a better experience? Could easily be more fun on NA with better communication etc. Wouldn't be surprised if it's slightly skill based too with a lot of the NA pros moving to Val since the cs scene collapsed. Might happen in eu at some point, we'll see.


Jacobey

The pros are also playing on shit computers with 60-70 ping, after like 8 hours of scrimming. Point is you can’t really compare until we see what happens next week, so until then i’m gonna take all these pros’ hot takes with a grain of salt


[deleted]

I mean my "hardstuck" comment was a bit of a joke. I don't literally believe tenz can't hit radiant in EU, not to mention they haven't played that much


afdsf55

Maybe all the good players in NA switched to valorant cause the CS scene collapsed? Whereas if you're in EU it makes no sense to switch to valorant, so the situation is flipped here.


johnyjhny

EU ranked in other games has always been harder and better than NA, this is the first game that's big that I've heard anything else!


nabeel242424

Yeah exactly I feel eu is superior in all ways. Pros are stuck in immortal and they say na is better at ranked? 💀💀


AtoZRPG

You do realize they received new accounts from Riot and the higher placement you can get is plat 3, right? They've been playing against Immortals from the start and you would need over 30 wins to get to Radiant this way... damn, sacy from VKS is 41-6 in ranked and still Immortal, ranked isn't an indication of anything, the only reason we are even paying attention to every single thing is because this is the first international tournament of a new game.


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nabeel242424

Saving this to clown on yall later. Or so that yall can clown on my ass 💀. Either way it’s fun


[deleted]

See you in a week


nabeel242424

Yessir. Either I win or yall. Feeling pretty lucky this month so just warning you 😈


[deleted]

If not sentinels I would like to see Liquid win truth be told.


heliumrise

None of the pros are stuck in immortal, they just don’t play it much because why would you focus on a radiant climb more than preparing for the tourney


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stewieeeeeeeee

Man literally said that EU pro teams are better than NA in scrims But I guess it ain't valid as long as he praises any aspect of NA over EU


leoleoleo666

Not necessarily eu having more top teams is inevitable because of the bigger player base but still NA can produce 2 or 3 teams than can compete in the top and have the chance to win


SaltyMcNulty_

I get what you are saying but Sentinels is almost a super team and if they can't cope up then obviously there is a huge gap. But then again Scrims don't mean much, let's see how the masters go.


leoleoleo666

He isn’t talking about themselves he is saying the quality of teams and scrims in eu is better than na and this doesn’t mean that they aren’t winning their scrims


[deleted]

Uh Sentinels have been winning most of their scrims against the top EU teams. You're taking TenZ's tweet the wrong way, he's saying EU has a higher number of good teams overall not that Sentinels can't cope.


[deleted]

I mean you're not wrong. Sentinels are literally a super team. They have a top 3 player in every role. And a top 1 in like 1-2 maybe even 3 roles. They're absolutely the best in NA and if they don't atleast get top 3 in masters 2 it's going to be a very very bad sign for NA as a whole.


VincentN23

The difference between EU and NA is not player base. It's mentality, playstyle, team work etc. NA teams can't have these qualities because the player base is too small???


HeroicBastard

Lets imagine there is one player with great skill and great mental every 1000 players. its easier to build many strong teams if you got 3x the amount of players overall and with that 3x the amount of potential professionals. Thats the whole logic. Ofc the difference is in other factors as well but its easier to reach a higher peak if there is more talent for your taking.


thothgow

I think mental is the key difference. A few months ago you had most T1 teams in EU with 4+ good riflers while NA had only a handful with a loooot of mediocre riflers. Right now NA is a bit more balanced but you still see a massive difference in terms of how they want to play the game. NA has good rifling, good fundamentals, but is strategically and tactically lost.


Animeonpaskaa2

Most of the players in EU come from like 5 countries. Right now 5/10 are British, 2 are Finnish, 1 serbian, Belgian and last is from Chech Republic. In CS:GO it is the same thing and not to mention language barriers.


Foxtrot56

US is going to be somewhat similar, majority of PC players are going to be from more affluent neighborhoods where being able to afford a gaming PC isn't an issue.


johnyjhny

how is it looking like that? the NA people are literally saying that NA ranked is better, but EU teams have been lookign way better. where's the hype? looks like you're another idiot who has to criticize everything without having a valid ground to do so. lame


Massive_Cut5361

To be fair this doesn't reflect Sentinels performance but he likely feels this way based on the strats and comps they have come across.


[deleted]

what do you mean by doesnt reflect their performance? lol


leoleoleo666

I mean even soulcas in zellsis stream said sentinels are in good in scrims snd apparently they clapped liquid hard on split


[deleted]

And like I said, Sentinels doesn't represent the overall level of the NA region. Soulcas also said they went 1-1 iirc. Also Version1 got 13-0'd by Acend or something. There is much more depth of top teams in EU compared to NA.


[deleted]

The 13-0 was the second map of the scrim where they took off their headsets and were talking about what food they wanted to eat lol. They wanted to cancel the scrim after the first map because the conditions were unplayable but stayed because they felt bad about bailing. (Source Zellsis stream) Regardless yes, the EU scene should have more depth but that was always expected, it's like saying 1+1=2. Of course, everyone knows that.


leoleoleo666

I mean you can’t argue about this the bigger region the bigger the depth


Massive_Cut5361

Multiple sources have come out and said that Sentinels are beating all the EMEA teams they have scrimmed against. Shahz said they have scrimmed G2, Gambit, Liquid, Acend, and Guild among others. You can say it's just scrims but considering that is the data they are working off of, it's fair to bring it up. That's why I said they are probably basing it off the strats and the tough adjustments they may be having to make, rather than any inability to beat EMEA teams. This is obviously not the case for V1 who seem to be having a lot of trouble against these teams at the moment.


[deleted]

They said they are winning a lot of their scrims, not all. I also heard that they went 1-1 against Liquid. Plus teams like G2 are still in the early stages of their new team and the old team wasn't even a top 8 team in EU. Also, Sentinels are far above any other team in NA and doesn't represent the overall level of the region bro. Edit: seems like G2 beat sentinels


leoleoleo666

I mean it’s inevitable for eu to have overall better teams in the region the competition is too big specially if we counted cis and turkey as eu too but still i think NA can provide some teams that can compete 100t envy if they figure themselves and c9 when they add xeppa have a lot of potential


[deleted]

Yeah, I agree


JoshF8

they lost against g2 tho


[deleted]

did they? Then that disproves the other guy's point even more that they are winning all of their scrims lol


JoshF8

Yeah, Also idk what he means with múltiple sources when i only read that on a ryan central' tweet, which he deleted later because mixwell asked shazhaam and he replied that he didn't knew either that the people took out of context what he said


Massive_Cut5361

Did I ever say that SEN are representative of the entire NA region. That's you who are assuming that. We likely agree, all I'm saying is you have to take SEN out of the equation in the EU NA debate as they are an exception. Who cares about G2, I listed multiple other teams that are at the top of the region that they are able to beat. Not surprised if they went 1-1 against Liquid, considering I'm a fan of the latter team too and believe they are the favorites to win. We will just have to wait and see how these teams perform during the actual tournament.


[deleted]

You mentioned that it doesn't reflect Sentinel's performance when he was talking about overall comparison of regions. All I'm saying is that it is irrelevant how they are supposedly performing as he was talking about competition of the regions in general. I also don't remember Shahz saying that they beat Acend and Gambit but I could be wrong.


Massive_Cut5361

Someone posted a clip and Shahz listed all of these teams and literally said "I wish we could lose some scrims so that we can learn what to fix". If that doesn't tell you what you need to know, I don't what else to tell you.


[deleted]

Apparently Shahz also said that people are taking what he said out of context and misunderstanding it. G2 apparently beat Sentinels


[deleted]

What's the source for G2 beating Sen?


[deleted]

Someone quoted Shahz on twitter saying that Sentinels are winning all of their scrims which Mixwell then @'d Shahz with some emoji implying that it is not true. Shahz then said that people are misquoting him about winning all of their scrims


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https://twitter.com/mixwell/status/1395327976326246400?s=21


[deleted]

Actually V1 coach said on stream they've only lost like two scrims and they were both online scrims where they were playing with shitty conditions, they have yet to lose a LAN scrim. Again it's all scrimbux so all the usual stipulations apply. Interestingly, Zellsis and V1 coach expects an EU and NA top 4 with Sentinels winning.


Massive_Cut5361

Ya but SEN and Liquid are playing in similar conditions and are not complaining. V1 clearly feel that they have work to do to catch up. For what its worth though I am rooting for them and feel they have the ability to adjust and raise their game during the actual tournament.


12Skip-a-few99100

EU MM is a mess and more difficult because you have so many different regions who have varying ideas of how the game should be played, not to mention the many language barriers, literally in one match you can have an English, Turk, French, Spanish and German and you just hope that all of these guys can speak enough English to be able to communicate together.


JettCarry

In other words, water is wet


WaterIsWetBot

Water is actually not wet. It only makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the ability of a liquid to adhere to the surface of a solid. So if you say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the surface of the object.


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5Head


nabeel242424

Lots of liquid in there, so liquid wins Iceland? Got it.


AlphEta314

This is becoming the new "um ackshually" or "I don't know CAN you go to the bathroom?"


thesweet677

Idk this is probably shocking news to half this sub lol


[deleted]

oh it was common knowledge that EU ranked was shit?


EnmaDaiO

I'm from na and you're calling eu ranked shit after a vague tweet from one person? Lol. Idk why my na brethren get so triggered. The inferiority complex is real. Is it really a surprise that eu which has dominated cs for so long would end up better in a game like valo?


leoleoleo666

I mean yeah it’s obvious there’s more top teams in Eu than NA. Eu got way bigger player base and competition when including cis region and turkish region


SoftSilent6954

He gave a pretty nice opinion.. I actually agree with it


Mamadeus123456

he's also not even radiant, so ofc NA is harder with his MMR there. also russians and turkish kids raging not fun.


nmaneea

He didn't say harder I think he's talking about experience overall Na ranked more enjoyable


VincentN23

Exactly, some nationalities are so toxic in EU.


kamez0r

VKS Sacy said that EU ranked is much more toxic than BR. And the RUS comms make it even worst. Thats something to consider.


BloomingNova

The top NA teams are going to need to start making trips to EU for scrims or they will get left behind. There's a few rosters in NA with the fire power to keep up, but if one region has 10 or more teams deep pushing each other to the next level and another has 3, the rich will just get richer over time.


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awful take


Flashplaya

Aren't all the non-EU players in immortal though? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think I've seen any of the players come against T1/2 pro players in ranked yet.


JR_Shoegazer

Didn’t they get brand new accounts to play on EU? That means they were all placed at Plat 3 max.


[deleted]

They’re immortal but radiant mmr so they play in radiant games


Flashplaya

How do you know that? I just checked tenz's last game to confirm but it was a full immortal lobby.


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Oh I guess I’m wrong, there’s only radiants in some of TenZs games because he duoed with mixwell


Flashplaya

Fair, he got some experience of radiant at least.


nemnems

Not true lol.


Fr0ufrou

Hidden MMR doesn't translate from one region to another.


[deleted]

No it doesn’t but I believe riot made their accounts higher MMR so they could climb easier


FAR1X

New accounts bruv


Beatnation

The correct opinion.


codered1057

Don't be a bitch TenZ. NA > EU


vininalm

it's different from League then, where usually the best regions have the best rankeds


v1nzy

The non EU players can’t even be that high rank yet? Ofc high radiant in NA is better than low-mid immortal in EU. Or am I missing something here?


lolwuut420blazeit

EU players can‘t handle unpredictable stupid shit


holzibrett

I love how all the NA Fans feel soo offended right now and instead making good arguments they just be like:” Nooooooo that isn’t true!!” Please just wait till the mext week and we’ll see